Now that we are 1/3 into the season. What are your thoughts on Jakob?

[Mirrornick]

I think he looks more comfortable out there and he has a more refined role now that gasol has been out this whole time.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

meh

[DAF86]

Spurs center for the future.

He's already more benefitial for the team than Aldridge, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

He's turned a corner for the better. Still doesn't justify not getting Siakam instead but his recent play makes that trade not a rip-off either and actually respectable given the hostage situation that piece of shit Leonard held the team.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

:tu

[rogcl1]

Spurs center for the future.

He's already more benefitial for the team than Aldridge, tbh.

Sober up dude. And turn on spellcheck .

[Robz4000]

Liked him after the trade, hated him at the beginning of the season, like him more than I did before now. Like DAF said, C of the future.

[Fireball]

He improved greatly over the season ... like night and day. Really would like him to sub for Aldridge after the first six minutes of the first quarter and let Demar run the show for the rest of the quarter. Then Aldridge can do the heavy load in the second quarter. I really think Peltl is good enough and can play enough minutes so that either Aldridge or Demar are always on the court.

[TimDunkem]

Decent backup center at best. Big deal.

[slick'81]

Double meh

[Chinook]

Would have been really happy had the team signed him to his contract. Way better than most centers the team has had outside of Tim, Tiago and Pau. Can't ask for more from him. Still not enough to really offset sending out Green in the trade. The Spurs' D would be much more stable with him on the court. Regardless, he gives the team options, and he's functioning in the offense the way I thought he would before the start of the season.

[TDomination]

Definitely feel like it's night and day from when we first saw him to now. At some point we needed a pau replacement and I think we got it. Hopefully he continues to get better. The dude is still only 23 years old.

[ceperez]

Serviceable, but unable to single handedly change the momentum of game.

[SAGirl]

Good pick up. Modern day center.

[XDT76]

Good pick up. Modern day center.

He needs to be able to shoot 3 to be called that. Otherwise a solid centre if he could improve on his defensive rebounding.

[SAGirl]

He needs to be able to shoot 3 to be called that. Otherwise a solid centre if he could improve on his defensive rebounding.
There’s limited unicorns and they are stars. I don’t think he will be a star but doesn’t need to be. A modern day center can be one like him, Capella, Willie Cauley Stein, a favorite of mine and a real beast is OKC center Steven Adams. So long as they keep up with the fast pace of the game and don’t demand post touches. Skill around the basket is pretty much a requirement but it’s different in my mind than demanding a slow pace and post heavy game. That’s the old school to me. It’s subjective obviously.

[superbigtime]

He's not incredible but certainly a keeper.

[Drom John]

ESPN Real Plus Minus

RPM for Centers:
20th Hassan Whiteside
21st Jakob Poetl
22nd Zaza Pachulia

Wins for Centers:
28th Dewayne Dedmon
29th Jakob Poetl
30th Mitchell Robinson

IOW, NBA starter for a poor team.

RPM all players:
97th Hassan Whiteside
98th Jakob Poetl
99th Fred Van Fleet

Wins all players:
166th Dewayne Dedmon
167th Jakob Poetl
168th Mitchell Robinson

IOW, plays like a good 4th man, but playing time knocks Poetl down to 6th man.

[Dex]

Started the season slow, but has come around in recent weeks. Like most players, I think it took him time to figure out where he fits in the Spurs system...and he should continue to progress going forward.

Will probably never be a star player, but definitely has the tools to be a serviceable big man. Fits into the Tiago Splitter mold.

Needs to improve his defensive rebounding, and could really benefit by adding a 10-15 footer to his game.

[DAF86]

Sober up dude. And turn on spellcheck .

Spanish autocorrect, tbh. Most times I take the time to correct them, but sometimes it gets tiresome.

[Keepin' it real]

What's up with the hair?

[lmbebo]

He's useful. Would have preferred OG Anuby or Skiam? in the trade ... but not a worthless player.

[Nivek_ogre]

A cross between oberto and splitter. Would like to see him more aggressive. Hoping gasol coming back doesn't take away any of his minutes

[rogcl1]

Spanish autocorrect, tbh. Most times I take the time to correct them, but sometimes it gets tiresome.

I was just teasing with you.

[wildbill2u]

I saw a lot of potential on defense with his handling, movement of feet, relative speed for a center that tall, and good moves in post and on PNR. That was from some early film watching. However, the first few weeks I thought he was nothing but a highlight film hero. He looked like he never made an offensive move in his life when he happened to get the ball. Totally clueless. Doubted his BB IQ

However, he has come around to be very useful. I wish we had someone who could excel in the PNR for him to be more of an offensive threat. In fact he should be starting in place of Cunningham. LMA, Poertl, Gay wouldn't be such a bad front line. Bertans and Pau as first reserves and that is about as good as this year's Spur front line rotation is going to get.

[XDT76]

There’s limited unicorns and they are stars. I don’t think he will be a star but doesn’t need to be. A modern day center can be one like him, Capella, Willie Cauley Stein, a favorite of mine and a real beast is OKC center Steven Adams. So long as they keep up with the fast pace of the game and don’t demand post touches. Skill around the basket is pretty much a requirement but it’s different in my mind than demanding a slow pace and post heavy game. That’s the old school to me. It’s subjective obviously.

You are describing D Rob. ��

[cd021]

Really like his potential- already a good center but still has room to grow. He's shown some improvement on the defensive glass, not fouling, and FT shooting, if he can continue to improve in those areas then he is probably a good starting caliber center.

Considering the Spurs had really no big prospects prior to the trade, getting him looks really good now even if the larger trade was meh.

[Russ]

Another young foreign big picked off the scrapheap and developed by the Spurs . . .

Then paid by somebody else?

[dbestpro]

Has made Gasol irrelevant.

[JPB]

Poetl's potent.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Has made Gasol irrelevant.

exactly, it will be interesting to see what Pop does with Gasol when he gets back.

[superbigtime]

exactly, it will be interesting to see what Pop does with Gasol when he gets back.

Gasol looking good for return. More tradeable, IMO.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Who?

[Shakril]

Big Upside and undervalued. Best Defender on the Spurs. Suffers from beeing a quiet player in a sense that he is not visible for fans, but does much. In long term, a better player than siakam or anunoby and does fit better with spurs than those 2.

He is efficent in scoring, but needs to learn to be more aggressive. I beleive he could be a threat in the paint, which could suck the defense in and open up 3P Shooters.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Like everyone has stated already, he has gotten better with more playing time. If he can add a 15 foot jumper to his game he would be even more useful. Overall I like how he has been playing and hopefully he gets more minutes than Pau when he comes off injured reserve

[RC_Drunkford]

Poeltl is exactly the big we need. Young, mobile, good rim protector and most importantly a roller. Spurs need a roll man cause he helps getting the shooters open. A pick & roll with a rolling big man was usually the play that sets up Spurs ball movement. That's why Mills, Belinelli and Bertans have a lot of chemistry with him on the floor. The only thing he has to develop is more post moves and a jump shot. His FT % is already up to 71.1% so I guess he has worked on that. Shot 59.4% from the FT line the year before

[exstatic]

I've given this some thought, and I think that Jakob was who PATFO WANTED in the trade. If you look at the players that the Spurs have developed 'out of nowhere', there are a lot of guards and wings, but no centers. If you look at all of the busts, and never weres, most of them are PFs or Cs. Javtokas, Ryan Richards, Mahinmi, Livio J-C...SA just seems to have difficulty bringing along big man project players. Why not get a guy who was #9 overall in his draft?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I've given this some thought, and I think that Jakob was who PATFO WANTED in the trade. If you look at the players that the Spurs have developed 'out of nowhere', there are a lot of guards and wings, but no centers. If you look at all of the busts, and never weres, most of them are PFs or Cs. Javtokas, Ryan Richards, Mahinmi, Livio J-C...SA just seems to have difficulty bringing along big man project players. Why not get a guy who was #9 overall in his draft?

With Gasol at the end of his run (has been for the last 3 years, IMO), and Aldridge being somewhat uncertain as to how long he can stay dominant, the Spurs definitely needed a guy who could be the future big man for the team. Poetl is as good as any of the better young centers in the league, and fits the Spurs system really well. I can't imagine they'd of turned down a Siakam, but they may have lobbied for Pascal and then "reluctantly" accepted Poetl as a counter-offer, knowing they coveted him. Certainly could see that strategy in this deal.


With as little bargaining power as Kawhi left the FO with, with his trade demands, I think folks are not giving the Spurs enough credit for what they got in return.

[itzsoweezee]

a better player than siakam or anunoby and does fit better with spurs than those 2.

Now we're going completely overboard

[Fusternino]

With Gasol at the end of his run (has been for the last 3 years, IMO), and Aldridge being somewhat uncertain as to how long he can stay dominant, the Spurs definitely needed a guy who could be the future big man for the team. Poetl is as good as any of the better young centers in the league, and fits the Spurs system really well. I can't imagine they'd of turned down a Siakam, but they may have lobbied for Pascal and then "reluctantly" accepted Poetl as a counter-offer, knowing they coveted him. Certainly could see that strategy in this deal.


With as little bargaining power as Kawhi left the FO with, with his trade demands, I think folks are not giving the Spurs enough credit for what they got in return.

It was the second best deal available, IMO. I still feel once they asked for $5M to offset the additional luxury tax from Kawhi's trade kicker, that you need to ask for Delon Wright or some sort of future second round pick given how lopsided the rest of the trade was.

[exstatic]

It was the second best deal available, IMO. I still feel once they asked for $5M to offset the additional luxury tax from Kawhi's trade kicker, that you need to ask for Delon Wright or some sort of future second round pick given how lopsided the rest of the trade was.

I still feel that when your franchise player puts a gun to your head, very publicly, to force a trade, and you have a partner willing to flip you an All NBA guard under those dire circumstances, you don't really worry too much about the rest.

[Mirrornick]

exactly, it will be interesting to see what Pop does with Gasol when he gets back.

I fear poodle will lose minutes when gasol returns. Pop will favor the old vet.

[Shakril]

Now we're going completely overboard

No it is quiet were it is. You forget that centers need more time to develop. I dont see much upside in Siakam and Anunoby. Yes they are playing good, but i dont see that they will become much better.

[coachmac87]

Potential better version of Splitter....

[Fusternino]

I still feel that when your franchise player puts a gun to your head, very publicly, to force a trade, and you have a partner willing to flip you an All NBA guard under those dire circumstances, you don't really worry too much about the rest.

We'll see what happens. I could eventually be proven wrong for sure.

[Play Boban]

Has made Gasol irrelevant.

Truth nuke

[Play Boban]

Poeltl should be logging 30 MPG tbh.

[koriwhat]

what i saw in that last spurs v lakers 4th qtr showed me enough to believe that aldridge is expendable.

[spurraider21]

he looks good. it's been said quite a bit, but he's mobile and a rim protector... which is perfect for the modern game. he and milutinov could hold down the position for the foreseeable future

[timvp]

Poeltl has been as good as expected after an ugly start to the season. The two areas of his game that I worried about were defensive rebounding and fouls. The good news is that his defensive rebounding has improved 20% compared to last season on per possession basis and his fouls are down 35%, so that's very promising. As expected, his assist rate has doubled (his turnovers are actually down, which is an impressive combination). The only issue is that his blocks are down 25% compared to last season -- but I'm convinced that's Poeltl understanding that Pop won't play bigs who foul a lot, so it's a work in progress for him learning how to protect the rim without fouling.

Long-term, he fits as a top tier backup to Aldridge and then should have at least five years or so of being a quality starting center. I could see him developing into a 12 points, 9 rebounds, 3.5 assists and 2 blocks glue guy starter.

[timvp]

No it is quiet were it is. You forget that centers need more time to develop. I dont see much upside in Siakam and Anunoby. Yes they are playing good, but i dont see that they will become much better.

I wanted either Siakam or Anunoby instead of Poeltl. I'd still take Siakam over Poeltl easily. He's a damn good combo forward prospect who will probably be an All-Star within three seasons (especially if Nephew leaves).

Anunoby, though, hasn't made much progress in his sophomore season. Still looks like he could be an elite 3-and-D player with First Team All-Defensive upside but there are some red flags (he's 7-for-24 from the free throw line this season and his basketball IQ is questionable at best).

Right now, Siakam is the best prospect of the three. Poeltl vs Anunoby is closer. I'd go with Poeltl now because Anunoby hasn't shown much growth, suddenly can't shoot free throws and his injury history (torn ACL) negates the fact that he's a couple years younger.

[HarlemHeat37]

OG has been pretty terrible, he's one of the most overrated prospects in the league IMO..Kawhi being drafted in the teens as a long defender with potential and eventually becoming a superstar has changed the expectations of that type of player to an unrealistic level..

Every Anunoby, Stanley Johnson, Justice Winslow, etc is projected to have Kawhi potential now..it just isn't realistic..

Siakam >>> Yak, though..

[NameLess Scrub]

Big Upside and undervalued. Best Defender on the Spurs. Suffers from beeing a quiet player in a sense that he is not visible for fans, but does much. In long term, [b]a better player than siakam or anunoby[b/] and does fit better with spurs than those 2.

He is efficent in scoring, but needs to learn to be more aggressive. I beleive he could be a threat in the paint, which could suck the defense in and open up 3P Shooters.

He doesn't have big hair or wears shorter shorts, so no he's not better.

[NameLess Scrub]

Still wondering about the Yak'O Purrdle pronunciation.

[TKOK]

This is how you say hia last name in austrian/german
https://youtu.be/3suYLcsQDdg

[Shakril]

He doesn't have big hair or wears shorter shorts, so no he's not better.

Come on really, you want to dispute the fact that big guys need longer to establish themselves?

[offset formation]

Has made Gasol irrelevant.

Yeah, I wonder what happens to the rotation when he comes back. Do they cut Aldridge's minutes? Or Jakob's?

Do they play Aldridge and Gasol together like last year for the high-low?

Then, what happens when Walker finally starts playing? Who goes away or back to the G-League just to get him playing time? Eubanks, I'm sure but could Pondexter or Cunningham be shipped out due to position overload?

I think it's a good problem to have but PATFO has some serious decisions to make.

Walker's return and Gasol's return are really difficult to sort in how they could totally throw wrenches into the rotations.

[rascal]

An over rated by Spurs fans role player. Won't be a difference maker in any way on a title contender.

[Shakril]

An over rated by Spurs fans role player. Won't be a difference maker in any way on a title contender.

So you see no connection between Poeltl emerging and beeing the best Defender on the Spurs squad, Bertrans and others Raining 3s out of his Screens and the turnaround in December?
I dont say that he alone is responsible for the Winning streak, but to say that he is not able to make a difference, painfully shows that you havent watch a game of the spurs for the last 3 Weeks.
Or you just like to be a grinch.

[RC_Drunkford]

So you see no connection between Poeltl emerging and beeing the best Defender on the Spurs squad, Bertrans and others Raining 3s out of his Screens and the turnaround in December?
I dont say that he alone is responsible for the Winning streak, but to say that he is not able to make a difference, painfully shows that you havent watch a game of the spurs for the last 3 Weeks.
Or you just like to be a grinch.

He also said Spurs can't ring unless they tank for a lottery draft pick. Clearly doesn't have a clue about basketball

[rascal]

So you see no connection between Poeltl emerging and beeing the best Defender on the Spurs squad, Bertrans and others Raining 3s out of his Screens and the turnaround in December?
I dont say that he alone is responsible for the Winning streak, but to say that he is not able to make a difference, painfully shows that you havent watch a game of the spurs for the last 3 Weeks.
Or you just like to be a grinch.

The spurs are not a title contender.

[Mr. Body]

The spurs are not a title contender.

If the Warriors are beatable, eight to ten teams become contenders.

[CGD]

Good pick up at a position of need. Serviceable big man in mode of Splitter are always good to find. Will be interesting to see what spurs do with Multinov now.

[Harry Callahan]

Jakob is an improving young player. I like the comparison to Splitter without the endless health issues. He is certainly someone who could be a SA a long time.

[cd021]

Sounds like Gasol is coming back soon.

I thought he was farther away.


https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/795111/pau-gasol-reportedly-will-be-back-in-action-before-the-end-of-the-year/

[NameLess Scrub]

Come on really, you want to dispute the fact that big guys need longer to establish themselves?

They might, but if he doesn't at least get the big haircut and the shorter shorts, what kind of modern day future could you expect from him?

[DPG21920]

I’m thrilled with him. Can’t control the trade any longer and have to hope for the best. He’s made very positive strides and has room to grow after proving he’s 100% an nba rotational player.

[Down Under]

He's close to a starting calibre Center IMO, now that he's got his fouling under control. An elite defensive big who can finish PnR's & is a decent passer when help comes as he rolls to the hoop.

[BackHome]

Things I like is he has great hands is able to finish at the rim and plays good defense.

[Fusternino]

OG not having a good season . . . Poeltl is making this trade look better, tbh.

[Mirrornick]

OG not having a good season . . . Poeltl is making this trade look better, tbh.

In og's defence, his father died and he missed a bunch of gAmes. When he cAme back he suffered an injury.

[gospursgojas]

Maybe just maybe PATFO is smarter than all you guys and wanted Poetl in trade instead of OG or Siakim. Ever think of that?

[Play Boban]

Maybe just maybe PATFO is smarter than all you guys and wanted Poetl in trade instead of OG or Siakim. Ever think of that?
Truth nuke

[playbonner15]

Pop always wanted to relive the Twin White Towers era of Bonner and Splitter so now he has Davis and Poeltl :lol

[alpha_HaZE]

There’s limited unicorns and they are stars. I don’t think he will be a star but doesn’t need to be. A modern day center can be one like him, Capella, Willie Cauley Stein, a favorite of mine and a real beast is OKC center Steven Adams. So long as they keep up with the fast pace of the game and don’t demand post touches. Skill around the basket is pretty much a requirement but it’s different in my mind than demanding a slow pace and post heavy game. That’s the old school to me. It’s subjective obviously.

Pretty much sums it up! In my opinion, if he were "able to shoot 3" he would be called stretch five, not modern day center.

[ezau]

His ceiling is Tiago Splitter who has a higher finishing rate and better shotblocking capabilities. I really like his game though and I think his skillset is more valuable in today's NBA.

[8FOR!3]

Pretty much sums it up! In my opinion, if he were "able to shoot 3" he would be called stretch five, not modern day center.

3 is definitely a spacing bonus and guys like Dedmon and Baynes have added that to their game. Poeltl’s production at his younger age tells me he has more upside than them and doesn’t need the 3 ball. Plenty of modern centers successful without it (Capela, WCS, Adams, Nerlens Noel comes to mind he’s been ok this year.)

[phxspurfan]

Dabom alt thread!


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[DAF86]

Maybe just maybe PATFO is smarter than all you guys and wanted Poetl in trade instead of OG or Siakim. Ever think of that?

Siakam is shaping out to be an all-star, so they aren't all that smart if they preferred Poeltl to Siakam, tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

And even with how great Poeltl is looking, I would still rather have Anunoby. If anything, for the fact that he serves a bigger need than Jakob. Anunoby would be a 30 mpg guy here, whereas Poeltl will never be more than a 15 mpg under Aldridge.

[BackHome]

Poodle is young he will be with us easy for the next 8 years so looking forward it's a good pick. Plus it's not like we had leverage with the trade we got lucky to get what we got......A lot of idiots wanted that trade with Philly to get Futz you know who are...........SMH..

[Manufan909]

Hope Poetl and LMA figure it out soon, like Tim and Tiago eventually did.

[r0drig0lac]

Maybe just maybe PATFO is smarter than all you guys and wanted Poetl in trade instead of OG or Siakim. Ever think of that?

that they know more about basketball, there is no doubt, but neither you, me or anyone in ST knows who PATFO wanted in the first place, so it's just speculation on your part.


I like Poetl, but I believe that Siakam and OG will be better players (maybe they would not be in SA, who knows?) and I believe that Winslow is finally making a jump in his game (he's really running the point in Miami), then all this is yet to be seen

[cd021]

OG not having a good season . . . Poeltl is making this trade look better, tbh.

Giving Green up instead of insisting on including Gasol was a bad decision that takes the trade down from an A to a C for me. That Raps pick may end up having to be packaged with our own to move up and draft a wing replacement- I don't love that part either. Poeltl is definitely a good get and may end up being a good starting center.

[cd021]

Hope Poetl and LMA figure it out soon, like Tim and Tiago eventually did.
I don't think that they can start together, especially next season with Murray back & DDR and Gay playing alongside of Jakob and LMA.

They could play together at different points in the game but there needs to be more shooting alongside them.

[Shakril]

I think at the end of games Poeltl should be on the court because of his defense. On the + side he could relieve LMA from guarding opponents Bigs like Jokic (in the Denver game in Wednesday it worked) and create possibly mismatches on the offense in favor of LMA. Poeltl is quick enough to defend Guards, so a small-ball line up is not an issue.

[cd98]

His ceiling is Tiago Splitter who has a higher finishing rate and better shotblocking capabilities. I really like his game though and I think his skillset is more valuable in today's NBA.

This guy has potential to be much better than Splitter. Much better. Splitter was a good player when healthy, but he wasn't a shot blocker, didn't have great hands, and played soft. He also had the benefit of playing with Manu, who made him look much better than he was. If Jakob played with a 32 year old Manu, he would look like an All Star. It's going to be hard to play Gasol any minutes that involve taking this guy off the court. He makes that trade seem much more evenhanded.

[Mr. Body]

Giving Green up instead of insisting on including Gasol was a bad decision that takes the trade down from an A to a C for me. That Raps pick may end up having to be packaged with our own to move up and draft a wing replacement- I don't love that part either. Poeltl is definitely a good get and may end up being a good starting center.

Why does this shit always come up? Why would Toronto want Gasol, esp with plenty of centers already on their roster?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yeah, I wonder what happens to the rotation when he comes back. Do they cut Aldridge's minutes? Or Jakob's?

Do they play Aldridge and Gasol together like last year for the high-low?

Then, what happens when Walker finally starts playing? Who goes away or back to the G-League just to get him playing time? Eubanks, I'm sure but could Pondexter or Cunningham be shipped out due to position overload?

I think it's a good problem to have but PATFO has some serious decisions to make.

Walker's return and Gasol's return are really difficult to sort in how they could totally throw wrenches into the rotations.

Walker is heading back to the G-League once their break is over. With the guard-heavy roster the Spurs have they can afford to let Walker develop in Austin the whole year.

[DAF86]

This guy has potential to be much better than Splitter. Much better. Splitter was a good player when healthy, but he wasn't a shot blocker, didn't have great hands, and played soft. He also had the benefit of playing with Manu, who made him look much better than he was. If Jakob played with a 32 year old Manu, he would look like an All Star. It's going to be hard to play Gasol any minutes that involve taking this guy off the court. He makes that trade seem much more evenhanded.

Damn, the idea of Jakob playing with Manu. :wow :depressed

[DJR210]

His ball control is above average compared to the stiffs we usually roll through here when receiving the pass and he finishes as a center should, but the jury is still out for me.

[cd021]

Why does this shit always come up? Why would Toronto want Gasol, esp with plenty of centers already on their roster?
Gasol would've only been on the team for 1 year before being able to be waived and stretched. The Spurs gave up the more useful player and $5 million in cash when they should've forced Gasol to be included.

What was Ujuri going to do? Turn down getting a top 5 player because it would've given them an extra center for a season?

[R. DeMurre]

His minutes, FG%, rebounds, blocks, and points have gone up in each of the three months he has been with the Spurs... he's becoming more comfortable, and has the potential to be a double double guy if he gets 28+mpg.

[rudwick]

Great potential still, and a valuable part of the trade.

[slick'81]

If he can extend his minutes and keep the fouls down we may have our future starting c

[offset formation]

Just imagine how much of a steal he will look when Kawhrisis leaves for the Clippers in the offseason.

[slick'81]

Just imagine how much of a steal he will look when Kawhrisis leaves for the Clippers in the offseason.


If he bolts patfo look like geniuses tbh

[offset formation]

If he bolts patfo look like geniuses tbh

Tbtfh.

[exstatic]

The $5m was going to TOR, regardless. That was to help cover Kawhis trade kicker. Ujiri smartly covered his bases by NOT trading OG, who smart money says will be their starting SF next year. He also got an ending contract in Green. When FA starts next summer, DG will be 32, and hardly a target for a rebuilding TOR team to re-sign.
Gasol would've only been on the team for 1 year before being able to be waived and stretched. The Spurs gave up the more useful player and $5 million in cash when they should've forced Gasol to be included.

What was Ujuri going to do? Turn down getting a top 5 player because it would've given them an extra center for a season?

[Mr. Body]

The $5m was going to TOR, regardless. That was to help cover Kawhis trade kicker. Ujiri smartly covered his bases by NOT trading OG, who smart money says will be their starting SF next year. He also got an ending contract in Green. When FA starts next summer, DG will be 32, and hardly a target for a rebuilding TOR team to re-sign.

Anunoby hasn't been that great. He has a lot of growing and learning to do, although he's shown flashes (and at IU). Also like another IU player, Oladipo, he may explode eventually, although VO was much, much better coming out of college. (I still don't understand why people didn't see Oladipo as eventually dominant.)

[exstatic]

Anunoby hasn't been that great. He has a lot of growing and learning to do, although he's shown flashes (and at IU). Also like another IU player, Oladipo, he may explode eventually, although VO was much, much better coming out of college. (I still don't understand why people didn't see Oladipo as eventually dominant.)

OG played better last year, when he started 62 games, and wasn’t stuck behind The Nephew. He shot 47% overall, and 37% from 3 on almost 3 attempts per game. I see no reason that he can’t snap back when Kawhi walks in July.

[Biggems]

It takes a good year for most players to fully acclimate to the Spurs system. Just give me hustle, rebounding, and solid D, and everything else is gravy.

[Mr. Body]

OG played better last year, when he started 62 games, and wasn’t stuck behind The Nephew. He shot 47% overall, and 37% from 3 on almost 3 attempts per game. I see no reason that he can’t snap back when Kawhi walks in July.

He's a good player. Just don't know if he's starting material yet.

[DAF86]

He's a good player. Just don't know if he's starting material yet.

He was starting material on his rookie season for a 60 wins team.

The only reason folks are saying OG is "struggling" is because he just isn't having the playing time he had last season behind Kawhi and Danny. On the Spurs he would be starting and playing 30 minutes per game.

[Mr. Body]

He was starting material on his rookie season for a 60 wins team.

The only reason folks are saying OG is "struggling" is because he just isn't having the playing time he had last season behind Kawhi and Danny. On the Spurs he would be starting and playing 30 minutes per game.

He shouldn't be starting on a good team. He's not ready yet.

[DAF86]

He shouldn't be starting on a good team. He's not ready yet.

So exactly how did the Raptors manage to win 60 games with him starting last season? :lol

[Mr. Body]

So exactly how did the Raptors manage to win 60 games with him starting last season? :lol

What a dumb question.

[DAF86]

What a dumb question.

What? :lol

I think it's a perfectly fine question to make to someone that said that "he shouldn't be starting on a good team", tbh. :lol

[cd021]

The $5m was going to TOR, regardless. That was to help cover Kawhis trade kicker. Ujiri smartly covered his bases by NOT trading OG, who smart money says will be their starting SF next year. He also got an ending contract in Green. When FA starts next summer, DG will be 32, and hardly a target for a rebuilding TOR team to re-sign.

I am aware that the $5 Million was to cover Kawhi's trade kicker but I think it makes the trade look worse from the Spurs side.

My point is that Ujuri wasn't going to knix a trade for a top five player just because it would've given them an extra center and cost them an extra $2.7 million over the next 3 years, Spurs desperately needed Green this season but PATFO either didn't agree with that or just caved on Ujuri's counter offer (Windhorst was the primary reporter on the trade and reported that Gasol was apart of the deal that he had heard).

Either way I think it makes PATFO look bad.

[timvp]

The only reason folks are saying OG is "struggling" is because he just isn't having the playing time he had last season behind Kawhi and Danny.He's playing more minutes per game this season, fwiw.


On the Spurs he would be starting and playing 30 minutes per game.I agree that OG is very likely a starter on the Spurs. Though if Danny Green never played 30 MPG, I'm not sure OG would have played 30 MPG in year one. Maybe if in this alternate universe he proved to be capable of playing SG, SF and PF.

[DAF86]

He's playing more minutes per game this season, fwiw.

OG's first season minutes averages are screwed for his early games where he didn't start and some latter ones where he got injured. On the bulk of the season where he was a starter he played around 25 minutes per game.


I agree that OG is very likely a starter on the Spurs. Though if Danny Green never played 30 MPG, I'm not sure OG would have played 30 MPG in year one. Maybe if in this alternate universe he proved to be capable of playing SG, SF and PF.

Anunoby can easily play 2 through 4, tbh.

Danny played in much more stacked Spurs teams than this one. This season Forbes is averaging 27 minutes per game, Dante fucking Cunningham was getting around 30 mpg pretty regularly while he was starting.