Border Security

[Pavlov]

Previously deported three times

No longer an issue

Tax payer relief bullets



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD6AcBOkaOcYou just randomly Google illegal alien shootout, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

You just randomly Google illegal alien shootout, Darrin?

My sister lives in the area.

Sorry :cry

[Pavlov]

My sister lives in the area.

Sorry :crySo she sent it to you?

[midnightpulp]

Previously deported three times

No longer an issue

Tax payer relief bullets



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD6AcBOkaOc

Don't see what argument you're trying to substantiate with this video? He was caught three times and deported (ICE doing its job). Wall argument? Any evidence or accounts out there he entered the country where's no/insufficient barriers? He could've entered via a port entry.

[Chris]

Don't see what argument you're trying to substantiate with this video? He was caught three times and deported (ICE doing its job). Wall argument? Any evidence or accounts out there he entered the country where's no/insufficient barriers? He could've entered via a port entry.

California police department was not working with ICE:


https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1098960522953850880


That sanctuary state thingy almost got another person killed, but we're "racists".

[midnightpulp]

California police department was not working with ICE:


https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1098960522953850880


That sanctuary state thingy almost got another person killed, but we're "racists".

My immigration policy would be zero tolerance. I'm in favor of allowing people in who just want to better their lives, at which point they'll have to prove themselves a good and productive citizen over a 5 year probationary period, but one strike within those 5 years, no matter how light the crime, and you and you're family are on the bus back to where you came from. I do agree with the sanctuary provision that people shouldn't be hassled/detained just because of their status, but law breakers should be summarily deported.

You personally aren't racist, you just overreact. There's no "crisis" at the border. Illegal immigration at all time lows over the past few years and they commit less crime on average. But again, if you really want to stop all illegal immigration, one solution: Punish businesses that hire them.

[Winehole23]

California police department was not working with ICE:The Feds can't commandeer state authorities, a little thing called federalism, perhaps you've heard of it.

[RandomGuy]

https://youtu.be/J8r6TWd818o

German man kick out of his home to house refugees. At least he'll get all the diversity benefits. We should do the same here tbh.

Because we all know Russia Times will give us the unvarnished truth because they have our best interests at heart. :lol

Nathan the Useful Idiot rides again.


So, the government is providing his apartment, he has 9 months to move, and the state will provide yet another apartment to him to move into.

That sum it up? THE HORROR.

Irony:

The pensioner will be replaced by younger, working age people that will be paying into his social safety net. This entire thing points out the economic benefits of immigration, and one of the main arguments that actual economists make for it.

:rollin #obvliviousnathan

[RandomGuy]

California police department was not working with ICE:


https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1098960522953850880


That sanctuary state thingy almost got another person killed, but we're "racists".

Gun violence kills tens of thousands every year, but guns aren't a problem. Talk about selective outrage.

10 People killed by "illegal immigration" = OMFG WE HAVE TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

50,000 people killed in mass shootings = OMFG WE NEED MORE GUNS TO STOP PEOPLE WITH GUNS FROM KILLING SPREES.

Damn, you people are nuts.

[Nathan89]

My immigration policy would be zero tolerance. I'm in favor of allowing people in who just want to better their lives, at which point they'll have to prove themselves a good and productive citizen over a 5 year probationary period, but one strike within those 5 years, no matter how light the crime, and you and you're family are on the bus back to where you came from. I do agree with the sanctuary provision that people shouldn't be hassled/detained just because of their status, but law breakers should be summarily deported.

You personally aren't racist, you just overreact. There's no "crisis" at the border. Illegal immigration at all time lows over the past few years and they commit less crime on average. But again, if you really want to stop all illegal immigration, one solution: Punish businesses that hire them.

That policy will get you a lot of big government votes so that's convenient for you.

[AaronY]

That policy will get you a lot of big government votes so that's convenient for you.
oh so using lots of government resources and spending to combat immigration is bad now?

[midnightpulp]

That policy will get you a lot of big government votes so that's convenient for you.

:lol Nothing about my plan is "big government." It would reduce the red tape gridlock of the current immigration process (didn't you go through that? How long and how much did it cost?) and prevent law enforcement from prowling around cities and neighborhoods looking for otherwise law-abiding undocumented immigrants, which invariably results in Hispanic-American citizens being hassled for no good reason. It's basically the same prerequisites the DACA recipients have to meet.

If you're talking about my last line, I'm not personally in favor of that, but for anti-immigration hardliners, that's the actual step you're going to have to take in order to curb illegal immigration. I've never heard one conservative agree to doing that. I wonder why? They'd rather talk about walls, which are big government overreach in their own right since for Trump and his base to get their dream wall, it would require much use of eminent domain.

[ElNono]

oh so using lots of government resources and spending to combat immigration is bad now?

when it comes to abortion, big government is just fine too...

[Nathan89]

oh so using lots of government resources and spending to combat immigration is bad now?

Government protecting the borders is a basic function of government.

[midnightpulp]

when it comes to abortion, big government is just fine too...

:lol big government is fine for everything aside from policy that makes people's lives better.

[boutons_deux]

when it comes to abortion, big government is just fine too...

not only abortion, but contraceptives, peri-natal care, disease prevention/detection.

racist, misogynist, ethnic-cleaser Repugs know they are primarily fucking over poor (black, brown) women with their abortion strategy, since abortion will always be available to any Repug voter, including the pro-birth evangelical so-called Christians, with enough money.

[MultiTroll]

Previously deported three times

No longer an issue

Tax payer relief bullets



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD6AcBOkaOc
Did the attempted murderer live?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1100104547589083137

[spurraider21]

just say no

wheres the personal accountability, instead of crying for big government to step in and solve your problems for you

[Spurminator]

Thank God the mere possibility of a wall stopped a massive Fentanyl bomb from exploding 115 million Americans!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1100258518530027520

[boutons_deux]

rightwingnuts only outraged when an immigrant kills, but when alt right / KKK / white militia brutalize or (plan to) kill, silence

[CosmicCowboy]

doing rails off the gas pump? Damn...partying down at the Circle K.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1100258518530027520Is Trump talking to Xi about fentanyl imports?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1100523811164901377

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1100523811164901377No. CO2 is the Jews.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1100258518530027520
no personal responsibility

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1101262410462232578

"not a crisis"

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1101262410462232578

"not a crisis"It's not.

Darrin said so.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1101258590743015424

"Sanctuary State"

[AaronY]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1101258590743015424

"Sanctuary State"

NYC records fewest murders in decades

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/york-city-records-fewest-murders-lowest-crime-rate/story?id=52166562&__twitter_impression=true

"Sanctuary State"

[AaronY]

Chris did I do that right? I wanna play this game too

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1101258590743015424

"Sanctuary State"


:lmao

[MultiTroll]

NYC records fewest murders in decades

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/york-city-records-fewest-murders-lowest-crime-rate/story?id=52166562&__twitter_impression=true

NY murders way down after the Don took over.
You got it right. :tu

[Pavlov]

NY murders way down after the Don took over.
You got it right. :tuThey went way down after Obama took over too.:tu

Historically speaking, they went way down after Clinton took over and never went back up.:tu

[AaronY]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/20180407_WOC206.png

[MultiTroll]

Don lowering already lowered murder rates.

Tough on crime. The Don.

Now get out of the way and let him at MS-13.

[Isitjustme?]

Don lowering already lowered murder rates.

Tough on crime. The Don.

Now get out of the way and let him at MS-13.

Are you retarded?

[benefactor]

Are you retarded?
Nah...just really fucking strange

[MultiTroll]

Nah...just really fucking strange
Normal for beanerfactor:
https://i.etsystatic.com/5943218/d/il/03119c/360344021/il_340x270.360344021_bqft.jpg?version=0

[MultiTroll]

Are you retarded?
Are you dating an MS-13 dude?

[Chris]

Chris did I do that right? I wanna play this game too

I don't do the troll thing. If you're disputing that NY is a sanctuary state go right ahead.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1101287263487619072

[Pavlov]

:lol "RINO"

[spurraider21]

if you dont like big government and executive overreach, you're a RINO!

[Winehole23]

Highlight: border wall prototypes demolished.

1101504905162964992

[benefactor]

Normal for beanerfactor:
https://i.etsystatic.com/5943218/d/il/03119c/360344021/il_340x270.360344021_bqft.jpg?version=0

:lol reaching for some kind of insult with one quote from one thread when you've been running around this site acting like a fucking weirdo for a decade

[rmt]

Star Trek: Discovery is really good. I highly recommend.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1102999640557813765

But I thought the numbers were going down?

[Chris]

A Yale study finds there are more than DOUBLE the amount of illegal aliens in our country than we previously thought

Up to 29 MILLION

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1102999640557813765

But I thought the numbers were going down?

“For the fourth time in five months, the number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has broken records, border enforcement authorities said Tuesday, warning that government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed.”

[boutons_deux]

The border crisis is a humanitarian crisis of asylum seekers fleeing their shithole countries that America has bullied, subverted, screwed up for 100 years.

It's not a security crisis, the LIE fromTrash and his sycophants

[Chris]

“For the fourth time in five months, the number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has broken records, border enforcement authorities said Tuesday, warning that government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed.”

It's cool because we catch all the bad guys and bad stuff at ports of entry.

[FrostKing]

The border crisis is a humanitarian crisis of asylum seekers fleeing their shithole countries that America has bullied, subverted, screwed up for 100 years.

It's not a security crisis, the LIE fromTrash and his sycophants
If

A) asylum seekers are sneaking in
B) facilities/agents are overwhelmed

then yes it is a security crisis

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1103375202602242048

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1103269732088610817

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1103375202602242048When the CBP commissioner conflates crossings and apprehensions, it's fucking stupid.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1103359078913368064

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1103348336407601152

[CosmicCowboy]

When the CBP commissioner conflates crossings and apprehensions, it's fucking stupid.

So if they don't catch them they don't count?

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1103348336407601152That was the unaccompanied kids thing.

lol Sanders

[Pavlov]

So if they don't catch them they don't count?Is it the same thing, CC?

Yes or no.

[CosmicCowboy]

Is it the same thing, CC?

Yes or no.

Illegal crossings should be the relevant number.

[Pavlov]

Illegal crossings should be the relevant number.So it's not the same thing and he conflated the two.

Thanks.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1103269732088610817

On that second video Thomas said "how do their kids do in school". Not at a high level.

[Nathan89]

"NPR reports that illegal border crossings just hit a 10-year high and migrants are literally arriving by the "busload.""

"Border Control Chief of Operations Brian Hastings laid out the particularly problematic shifts in who is being detained. "Historically the U.S. Border Patrol has arrested 70 to 90% Mexican nationals; we could apply a consequence to that demographic; we could return them quickly to Mexico," said Hastings. "Today 70% of all those we are arresting are from the northern triangle: Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44293/npr-busloads-migrants-arriving-border-crossings-james-barrett

[ElNono]

Already posted in another thread, but worth repeating, since some people seem to be 'shocked' at some numbers...

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ni33oh.png

Don't remember anybody calling for a 'border crisis' all those years, tbh... I mean, they have ways to go to catch dubya...

EDIT: just found the Obama snippet. Nothing happened then per par...

[ElNono]

So if they don't catch them they don't count?

Unless your premise is that they're not catching people they see crossing (which would be admitting they suck at their job), then it's an oxymoron. You can't count what you don't even see.

[Pavlov]

Jesus, what is Trump doing so wrong to make the numbers go up like that?

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1103348336407601152

Obama good now

[ElNono]

Jesus, what is Trump doing so wrong to make the numbers go up like that?

Actually, more troublesome is how big it was right after 9/11... I mean if we're talking about the concern of securing our borders, holy crap that was bad...

[Nathan89]

Damn that's a lot of parents of big gov voters. Surely their kids will be top performers though so that's a plus.

[Pavlov]

Damn that's a lot of parents of big gov voters. Surely their kids will be top performers though so that's a plus.Probably better than you did, so there's that.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1103752176738873344

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1103752176738873344:lol Gym Jordan

[Winehole23]

The US can't keep track of children separated from their guardians, but is doing its best to make sure reporters are prevented from getting the story.

1103450618377596928

[ElNono]

The US can't keep track of children separated from their guardians, but is doing its best to make sure reporters are prevented from getting the story.

1103450618377596928

now that's chilling... personal dossiers and vendetta on journalists? we're back in the Nixon era...

[Winehole23]

now that's chilling... personal dossiers and vendetta on journalists? we're back in the Nixon era...
DJT has one third of the country cheering for suppression of the press.

Curbing freedom of information is just another selling point.

[pgardn]

DJT has one third of the country cheering for suppression of the press.

Curbing freedom of information is just another selling point.

People working under the orange guy knowingly suppressing data.
And we still have OJ looking for 2 to 3,000,000 illegal votes.

If the red team wants to continue defending lying and deception, there will be a kickback.

[pgardn]

The potential energy of a kickback is rising.
You can see the red team members squirming trying to find a niche that they can defend when the ball starts rolling.

[Winehole23]

Why are they coming to the US?

Unrestrained export of US guns to corrupt countries may have something to do with the decline of public safety in Central America.

1104009427915603969

[Nathan89]

They should fix their corrupt country.

[Nathan89]

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/8/house-votes-favor-illegal-immigrant-voting/

[Pavlov]

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/8/house-votes-favor-illegal-immigrant-voting/Local control bad now.

[Nathan89]

Illegals voting in America is bad.

[Pavlov]

Illegals voting in America is bad.If they register you know where to find them.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1104168185756934144

"BUT PORTS OF ENTRY!"

[ElNono]

DJT has one third of the country cheering for suppression of the press.

Curbing freedom of information is just another selling point.

I couldn't pin it on DJT because I don't know it comes from him, though, obviously, calling them the enemy of the people doesn't help. Rampant abuse going unchecked is terrible, no matter who orders it.

[ElNono]

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/8/house-votes-favor-illegal-immigrant-voting/

From the link...
Experts say as many as 40 states or territories allowed noncitizen voting dating back to the nation’s founding.

But this time it'll end America!

[Winehole23]

I couldn't pin it on DJT because I don't know it comes from him, though, obviously, calling them the enemy of the people doesn't help. Rampant abuse going unchecked is terrible, no matter who orders it.Not sure why you're hesitant to pin it on DJT, he's in charge now.

[ElNono]

Not sure why you're hesitant to pin it on DJT, he's in charge now.

Well, I have no evidence he gave the order, this could also be somebody in a position of power being a paranoid snowflake like Chris.

Also I sorta doubt he's in charge of anything other than his twitter account and the TV remote control, tbh...

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1104168185756934144

"BUT PORTS OF ENTRY!"


David Bier, an immigration analyst who writes about border security at the libertarian Cato Institute, said that by saying a "majority" of opioids come through ports of entry, Lowey had "understated the case."
"By weight, the average port inspector seized 8 times more cocaine, 17 times more fentanyl, 23 times more methamphetamine, and 36 times more heroin than the average Border Patrol agent seized at the physical border in early 2018," Bier wrote in an email.

https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2019/jan/14/nita-lowey/majority-opioids-come-us-through-points-entry-lowe/


According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.

While those numbers deal only with drugs that are caught, border experts say the data accurately reflect the way drug cartels successfully smuggle narcotics into the country.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/16/fact-check-mike-pence-donald-trump-drugs-crossing-southern-border-wall/2591279002/

Does the tweeter (or Carroll) have any facts backing up his claim? And preferably a statistic that sorts by drug. I don't think really anyone gives a shit about weed smuggling.

[midnightpulp]

And here's a comprehensive report from the DEA, something I'm sure Lord Trump has received (but probably didn't read due to his 13 year old kid level ADHD):

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18%202018%20NDTA%20final%20low%20resolution.pdf

The majority of hard drug seizures do happen at ports of entry.

Here's what they conclude about Fentanyl, for example:


The CBP San Diego Field Office AOR remains the primary entry region for fentanyl entering the United States via the SWB (see Figure 41). Approximately 85 percent of the fentanyl seized— 447 kilograms of 524 kilograms— entering the United States via the SWB flowed through the San Diego POE in CY 2017. During this timeframe, personally operated vehicles were the conveyance for 74 percent of the fentanyl seized, by weight, at SWB POEs

The conclusion is similar for all drugs in the report.

[pgardn]

One desperate truck driver with the goods in one place versus hundreds desperate people with backpacks spread all over everywhere.

And ports of entry make no sense... we got some great logistical minds on this board.

What’s the best way to distribute goods Hmmmmm....

I guess orienteering is easier than getting a license.

[ducks]

One desperate truck driver with the goods in one place versus hundreds desperate people with backpacks spread all over everywhere.

And ports of entry make no sense... we got some great logistical minds on this board.

What’s the best way to distribute goods Hmmmmm....

I guess orienteering is easier than getting a license.you do not thing you need a “license” to come in the USA

[pgardn]

you do not thing you need a “license” to come in the USA

You need to show a drivers license at the port of entry you damn quack

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1104503216111321089
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1104505623293710337

[ducks]

Paul Sperry pAulsperry_
·
Mar 9
BREAKING: US Border Patrol says that after physical barriers were erected in San Diego and El Paso sectors, as well as Yuma and Tucson, they saw reductions in illegal border crossings of 95-99%, but that those barriers need to be expanded and extended to really secure the border

[CosmicCowboy]

A really good read. Sorry if it's been posted before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

[spurraider21]

From the link...
Experts say as many as 40 states or territories allowed noncitizen voting dating back to the nation’s founding.

But this time it'll end America!
well the immigrants arent white anymore

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1105464153127346176

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/53698428_2809600559057957_3626256641952841728_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=653bfbc3b79cfe496a70aafe6815d755&oe=5D0F9BE4

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1105845722807746561

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1107096253190541312

[Winehole23]

1108010109945475078

[Winehole23]

Fully funding e-Verify would be cheaper and way more efficient than a wall, but I guess the promise wasn't solving a problem, it was WALL.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1107096253190541312

If only we had e-verify this guy would be alive :tu

[Chris]

I'm sure all the angel moms would love to hear that all we need is som e-verify.

[midnightpulp]

I'm sure all the angel moms would love to hear that all we need is som e-verify.

Cherry picking specific incidents is dishonest. This is like saying, "If only we had more "good guys with a gun, the victims of Parkland would still be alive." I don't think the victims of Parkland would want to hear that. They'd be much more interested in hearing how do you prevent people like Cruz from buying weapons.

You have to look at it from a macro perspective and see whether or not areas with higher immigrant populations are more violent than the US at large. I'll refer once again to the Unz report: http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

Same exact logic using the macro perspective to see that the vast majority of gun owners aren't killers, so I don't think the actions of the few should result in punishing the responsible (i.e. "Ban all guns!"). My control policies are more based on science per brain development. The pre-frontal cortex, which is responsible for executive functioning, isn't matured until about 25. Similarly, I don't think it's moral to punish good people just looking to better their lives. Personally, I'd play ball with Lord Trump on his wall if he reformed immigration to make the process less bureaucratic and byzantine.

[boutons_deux]

"angel moms" ? LOL goddamn, you're fucking stupid

the vast majority of angels are killed by American citizens, not by illegal immigrants.

[Chris]

Cherry picking specific incidents is dishonest. This is like saying, "If only we had more "good guys with a gun, the victims of Parkland would still be alive." I don't think the victims of Parkland would want to hear that. They'd be much more interested in hearing how do you prevent people like Cruz from buying weapons.

You have to look at it from a macro perspective and see whether or not areas with higher immigrant populations are more violent than the US at large. I'll refer once again to the Unz report: http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

Same exact logic using the macro perspective to see that the vast majority of gun owners aren't killers, so I don't think the actions of the few should result in punishing the responsible (i.e. "Ban all guns!"). My control policies are more based on science per brain development. The pre-frontal cortex, which is responsible for executive functioning, isn't matured until about 25. Similarly, I don't think it's moral to punish good people just looking to better their lives. Personally, I'd play ball with Lord Trump on his wall if he reformed immigration to make the process less bureaucratic and byzantine.

The problem with Parkland is we had good guys with guns who were told to stand down. I'm not cherry picking anything. These are real people who died. The only "good people" who were punished were those who happened to be in a way of an illegal immigrant. We have a system for people coming here legally. The only dishonesty I'm seeing it those were refuse to accept the reality of the situation making ridiculous arguments based on some kind of higher morality. This is just another form of virtue signaling bundled with despondent complacency. Looking forward to more copypasa in retort. :tu

[midnightpulp]

The problem with Parkland is we had good guys with guns who were told to stand down. I'm not cherry picking anything. These are real people who died. The only "good people" who were punished were those who happened to be in a way of an illegal immigrant. We have a system for people coming here legally. The only dishonesty I'm seeing it those were refuse to accept the reality of the situation making ridiculous arguments based on some kind of higher morality. This is just another form of virtue signaling bundled with despondent complacency. Looking forward to more copypasa in retort. :tu

Read about the efficacy and expense of our "legal immigration system." I'm not sure of your ancestry, but when the first large wave of immigration hit from 1905 to 1907, the US murder rate spiked by 30 percent. So you'd be fine with your ancestors being denied entry into the country based on some Nativists of the day posting stories about people killed by Irish and Italian immigrants?

:lol "Virtue singling." You're also technically virtue signalling with all these posts about illegals killing citizens, suggesting that it's an immoral position to be against the wall/tighter border security. That said, I don't reduce moral arguments down to cute buzzwords. Our disagreement stems from me looking at things from a macro perspective, while you look at them from a micro perspective. Do I think you're "wrong?" No, because this is a morally relative situation. Either of our solutions potentially preserves life.

I would easily compromise with Trump building a fortress across the sw border if the legal immigration process returned to the Ellis Island model.

As for the good guy with the gun. I think it's easier to just not sell AR15s to children than rely on "good guys with a gun."

[Spurminator]

Looking forward to more copypasa in retort. :tu

You should show less snarky hostility to the one person here who still gives you the respect of a thoughtful and intelligence response. You might learn something.

[Chris]

I'm not sure of your ancestry

Native born Texan great great grandmother was pure Choctaw-Chickasaw not that it matters...No one is being denied that isn't willing to come through legally. Not sure why you keep going there, but I guess (?) it helps your argument to paint me as a villain.

No, I just want a border wall to protect our brave border security from cartels and to funnel the trafficking to ports of entry where have a chance to apprehend. Not sure why that's lost on the majority of Americans beside their need to virtue signal their bleeding hearts for these "poor souls just trying to find a better life." Some poem at the base of a statue at Ellis island seems to be the prominent argument for today's Liberal Socialist.

[Chris]

You should show less snarky hostility to the one person here who still gives you the respect of a thoughtful and intelligence response. You might learn something.

Shut up faggot.

[Winehole23]

^^^ magpie Chris trollin

[TSA]

Pentagon finds $12.8 billion for Trump's border wall

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pentagon-finds-12-8-billion-for-trumps-border-wall

[midnightpulp]

Native born Texan great great grandmother was pure Choctaw-Chickasaw not that it matters...No one is being denied that isn't willing to come through legally. Not sure why you keep going there, but I guess (?) it helps your argument to paint me as a villain.

No, I just want a border wall to protect our brave border security from cartels and to funnel the trafficking to ports of entry where have a chance to apprehend. Not sure why that's lost on the majority of Americans beside their need to virtue signal their bleeding hearts for these "poor souls just trying to find a better life." Some poem at the base of a statue at Ellis island seems to be the prominent argument for today's Liberal Socialist.

Do you think a Honduran family without a penny to their name has the resources to navigate the current legal immigration process? Let's take a look at what that entails?



People seeking work visas, legal resident status or US citizenship must go through a highly detailed application process, and often choose to be guided by an attorney specializing in immigration law. What used to be the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) is now known as the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) which is part of the Department of Homeland Security.
Typical costs:

An immigration attorney may charge an hourly rate of $100-$300 or a flat fee covering specific services. Some immigration attorneys charge $75-$150 for an initial 20-30 minute consultation.

Charges for assisting in filing basic forms for an ongoing immigration case may run $300-$700, plus the USCIS fees. Attorney's fees for preparing a full visa packet average $2,000-$3,000, but can run $4,000-$12,000 or more, depending on the nature and complexity of the case, the location, and the attorney's level of experience.

A retainer is an up-front fee you pay to hire an attorney. Generally the retainer is either a percentage of the agreed-upon flat fee or the equivalent of several hours work. A lawyer on an hourly basis deducts that rate from the retainer as the work is done; when the retainer is gone, you are billed for more money.
Some work-visa applicants hire an immigration attorney for an hour's consultation at $100-$300, then file the paperwork themselves using the forms and other resources provided by the USCIS[1] . Often an employer will assist with the visa process.

While many applicants use the services of an immigration attorney, it is possible to navigate the complex system on your own. The paperback US Immigration and Citizenship[2] is available for $16 and Nolo Press offers books on immigration, visas, green cards and citizenship for $26-$40.

Additional costs:

Your lawyer's charges do not include USCIS filing fees[5] of $0-$1,000 per form; total application fees for a visa average $2,000.
Typically visas take 4-5 months to process; "premium processing" in about 15 days costs an extra $1,000.


So even if the applicant chooses not to consult an immigration attorney, they still have to come up with 2K and then wait months for the process to unfold. Poor, desperate people don't have these luxuries.

Um, the trafficking is already being funneled to ports-of-entry. Maybe try looking at actual agency (DEA, CBP) reports instead of trusting what no-name conservative shills have to say on twitter. Here: https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi...resolution.pdf

Aren't you a proud American? Like it or not, the Lazarus poem has always been a celebrated tenant of our country's philosophy as "the Land of Opportunity." I guess Teddy Roosevelt was a "virtue signaling Liberal socialist" because he didn't clamp down on immigration when millions of Irish and Italian immigrants, whom the nativists of the day didn't think too highly of, poured in. And if you think those immigrants, as a collective group, just magically assimilated within months and didn't bring "violence" with them, just :lol. See 1905-07 spike? That's when we took in over a million immigrants.

http://violentdeathproject.com/charts/UK%20compared%20to%20US%2020th%20century%20homicid e%20rates-large.jpg

Why okay then, but not now? Those immigrants from "non-shithole countries" (well, they were arguably shitholes at the time) spiked the crime rate higher than the immigrants who've come through our southern border over the past two decades.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1107096253190541312
tragic story.

it was a car accident/hit and run, though. the headline seems to infer something different imo

[TSA]

tragic story.

it was a car accident/hit and run, though. the headline seems to infer something different imo

Yeah that’s as click baity as it gets right there

[midnightpulp]

tragic story.

it was a car accident/hit and run, though. the headline seems to infer something different imo

It's also an example of post-hoc fallacy. Chris's argument can also lead to some troubling moral conclusions. His argument is basically that a lax immigration policy leads to a greater influx of criminals, which in turn puts Americans at a higher risk. Per the stats, Latino and white American crime rate in the Southwest are about the same, so illegal immigrant entry doesn't increase risk anymore than a white American child being born. Both persons will be as likely/unlikely to commit crime at some point in their lives. Where this logic leads to a troubling conclusion is that it's actually more "immoral" to allow a black child to be born than to allow in an illegal immigrant, since blacks are the ethnic demographic that commit the most violent crime. Say we posed the question to Chris: If he had to choose, allow in 10 immigrants or allow 10 black children to be born. The coldly rational moral choice is the former.

That's why I don't like the implied logic underneath Chris's argument. I'd much prefer if he just stated he's against illegal immigration because it's illegal per the law, instead of trying to argue against it on moral grounds (morality and legality aren't the same thing).

[Chris]

Say we posed the question to Chris: If he had to choose, allow in 10 immigrants or allow 10 black children to be born.

Why does it matter that they are black? This isn't a racist thing. I know you really need that to be something for your argument to have legs. This is an enforcing the law that's on the books thing. Why is that hard to understand?

Hey at the end of the day as long as it's not someone you know or one of your loved ones - who cares right?

[midnightpulp]

Why does it matter that they are black? This isn't a racist thing. I know you really need that to be something for your argument to have legs. This is an enforcing the law that's on the books thing. Why is that hard to understand?

Hey at the end of the day as long as it's not someone you know or one of your loved ones - who cares right?

I'm not suggesting it's a racist thing. Not sure you understand my argument. When you post these stories of people killed by illegals or when Lord Trump trots out the Angel Moms, you/they are attempting to turn a debate on legality into a moral debate, suggesting that it's "immoral" to allow in illegals because it puts Americans in more danger. Truth is you are no more statistically likely to be harmed by an illegal than an American. The Angel Mom "strategy" is a dishonest red-herring and post-hoc fallacy. It suggests that the reason those people were harmed was because of our immigration policy. No. Those people were harmed because humans in general do bad/irresponsible things. The reason I referenced black crime is because you are more likely to be harmed by an African-American than an illegal, so on moral grounds, sterilizing a black person "protects" Americans more than letting in illegals.

And no, I don't like this logic, which is why I'm unpacking it. Fine. Argue it on legal grounds. Angel Moms, etc is a dishonest, appeal-to-emotion tactic that is based on troubling logic.

[midnightpulp]

To further clarify the Angel Moms tactic. It's suggesting that tighter illegal immigration policy would "prevent incidents like this in the future." No it wouldn't, because again, those victims were just as likely to be harmed by an American citizen and more likely to be harmed by an African-American citizen. It would likely reduce frequency of being harmed specifically by illegal immigrants, so if you want to make the argument that it's easier to stomach crime from American citizens than from illegals, fair enough, I guess.

[Nathan89]

Tighter illegal immigration policy would infact prevent incidents like this from illegals. It will not impact crime from legal citizens.

[spurraider21]

Tighter illegal immigration policy would infact prevent incidents like this from illegals. It will not impact crime from legal citizens.
that reasoning could also be used to support things like single child laws, eugenics, sterilization, etc.

the fact that a higher volume of crime is committed in bigger populations ins't a sound argument to eliminate a certain sect. especially if the one you're looking at (illlegal immigrants) commit crimes at a lower rate than the rest of the population.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1108491812010786816?s=20

Open borders or else.

[spurraider21]

italian citizen

[Blake]

BBC is covering it. What more wall to wall coverage is he crying for

[Nathan89]

that reasoning could also be used to support things like single child laws, eugenics, sterilization, etc.

the fact that a higher volume of crime is committed in bigger populations ins't a sound argument to eliminate a certain sect.

Those are violations of human rights. Big difference.

[midnightpulp]

Tighter illegal immigration policy would infact prevent incidents like this from illegals. It will not impact crime from legal citizens.

Yes, from illegals specifically. But it would not reduce the chances of an American citizen being harmed by a violent/irresponsible act in general, since illegals don't commit crime at a higher rate than American citizens. That's the argument Trump and Co. are using, and it's dishonest. The more robust argument might be citing the fact illegals are less likely to carry auto-insurance than citizens, so even though your risk is no different from getting in an accident caused by an illegal or citizen, the odds the former won't have insurance is greater.

[spurraider21]

Those are violations of human rights. Big difference.
my point is that what you're saying is a terrible rationalization and is not a sound argument for deportation of illegal immigrants. the only logical outcome is a demand for the US population to decrease, and not necessarily the population of illegal immigrants. unless you do something to curb fertility rates of american citizens, the US population is going to continue to grow, regardless of what we do with illegal immigrants. its an ineffective solution for a dishonest problem.

[midnightpulp]

my point is that what you're saying is a terrible rationalization and is not a sound argument for deportation of illegal immigrants. the only logical outcome is a demand for the US population to decrease, and not necessarily the population of illegal immigrants. unless you do something to curb fertility rates of american citizens, the US population is going to continue to grow, regardless of what we do with illegal immigrants. its an ineffective solution for a dishonest problem.

They'd be better off just flatly stating, "I'm against illegal immigration because it's against our laws." The Trump tactic of "they commit more crime (they don't), therefore restricting illegal immigration makes American citizens safer," is an example of fear-mongering dehumanization. "Beware the other." Trump should just spin it, "I don't care if the illegal is a cartel member from Mexico or a PhD from Sweden, everyone, no matter where you're from, who you are, or what you do must legally follow our laws." But framing it like that won't rile up "the base." For his propaganda to have any teeth, those brown people from down there have to be generalized as murderers, rapists, and drug dealers, as you stand in front of sobbing mothers.

[spurraider21]

They'd be better off just flatly stating, "I'm against illegal immigration because it's against our laws." The Trump tactic of "they commit more crime (they don't), therefore restricting illegal immigration makes American citizens safer," is an example of fear-mongering dehumanization. "Beware the other." Trump should just spin it, "I don't care if the illegal is a cartel member from Mexico or a PhD from Sweden, everyone, no matter where you're from, who you are, or what you do must legally follow our laws." But framing it like that won't rile up "the base." For his propaganda to have any teeth, those brown people from down there have to be generalized as murderers, rapists, and drug dealers, as you stand in front of sobbing mothers.
eyup

[Spurminator]

Open borders or else.

Look how fucking scared you are.

Trust me, you are far less likely to be attacked than people who leave their house. Try not to be so scared all the time. You'll be happier.

[boutons_deux]

"illegal immigration"

... except it seems that the majority arriving recently are LEGAL asylum seekers, seeking safety for their shithole countries that the American Empire created over the last 100 or so years.

[Nathan89]

They had safety in Mexico.

[SpursforSix]

Yes, from illegals specifically. But it would not reduce the chances of an American citizen being harmed by a violent/irresponsible act in general, since illegals don't commit crime at a higher rate than American citizens. That's the argument Trump and Co. are using, and it's dishonest. The more robust argument might be citing the fact illegals are less likely to carry auto-insurance than citizens, so even though your risk is no different from getting in an accident caused by an illegal or citizen, the odds the former won't have insurance is greater.

Assuming that both commit violent crimes at the same rate, and assuming that Latinos have a higher birth rate than whites, wouldn't decreasing illegals eventually lower total violent crime? Not even taking into account that we might be entering a period of finite job creation and that increasing population (regardless of where they come from) might increase crime?

[spurraider21]

Assuming that both commit violent crimes at the same rate, and assuming that Latinos have a higher birth rate than whites, wouldn't decreasing illegals eventually lower total violent crime? Not even taking into account that we might be entering a period of finite job creation and that increasing population (regardless of where they come from) might increase crime?
decreasing any sect population would decrease total crime. once you start diving into fertility rates, your argument is basically pro-eugenics at that point imho. until we reach a point where we are so overpopulated to the point where resources are a concern, its not a worthwhile solution imo

[boutons_deux]

"fertility rates"

a fundamental concern of misogynist white male supremacists: white women as incubators of white people

"The Non-Euro-Whites Will Not Replace Us"

[SpursforSix]

decreasing any sect population would decrease total crime. once you start diving into fertility rates, your argument is basically pro-eugenics at that point imho. until we reach a point where we are so overpopulated to the point where resources are a concern, its not a worthwhile solution imo

I hear you. And I haven't thought about eugenics enough to even form much of an opinion. I certainly wouldn't endorse along racial lines. At some point, I think it should be up for discussion. But maybe limited resources/disease/fertility rates etc. solve the issue before it gets to that point.

[Chris]

Look how fucking scared you are.

Trust me, you are far less likely to be attacked than people who leave their house. Try not to be so scared all the time. You'll be happier.

Go tell that to the Angel moms. Tell them about the probabilities and statistics. You're a monster.

[vy65]

Yes, from illegals specifically. But it would not reduce the chances of an American citizen being harmed by a violent/irresponsible act in general, since illegals don't commit crime at a higher rate than American citizens. That's the argument Trump and Co. are using, and it's dishonest. The more robust argument might be citing the fact illegals are less likely to carry auto-insurance than citizens, so even though your risk is no different from getting in an accident caused by an illegal or citizen, the odds the former won't have insurance is greater.

I'll play devil's advocate here. As I appreciate your point, it is: compared to other American citizen's, illegal immigrants are no less or more prone to commit a crime against an American. So, pulling random numbers just to illustrate the point, let's say 1 out of every 1000 American citizens is a criminal who will commit a homicide. In a city of 99,000 people, that means 99 murders. Let's say the city council is debating on whether to be a sanctuary city or not - and the proposal on the floor is whether to accept 1000 illegals. I know, it's silly, but I'm teasing out a point.

Wouldn't bringing those illegals into the city raise the murder rate by 1%? In other words, going by the percentages, your point is valid. But I think you're ignoring the argument that stricter borders leads to less immigrants overall which leads to less murders (assuming the scenario above). Put otherwise, the percentages may be the same, but a decrease in the overall amount of immigrants would necessarily result in a decrease of criminals, right?

Like I said, devil's advocate. I'm just teasing out a point.

[vy65]

Assuming that both commit violent crimes at the same rate, and assuming that Latinos have a higher birth rate than whites, wouldn't decreasing illegals eventually lower total violent crime? Not even taking into account that we might be entering a period of finite job creation and that increasing population (regardless of where they come from) might increase crime?

Shit, just saw this.

[vy65]

decreasing any sect population would decrease total crime. once you start diving into fertility rates, your argument is basically pro-eugenics at that point imho. until we reach a point where we are so overpopulated to the point where resources are a concern, its not a worthwhile solution imo

More devil's advocate: isn't there a distinction between decreasing a sect of the population vs. disallowing growth? And a distinction between decreasing certain sects of (violence-prone) citizens vs. restricting overall population growth through closing borders?

I see your point, Michel Foucault, and agree with it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1108841968241643541

[Spurminator]

Go tell that to the Angel moms. Tell them about the probabilities and statistics. You're a monster.

That would be as insensitive as talking about lightning statistics a family who lost their son to a lightning strike, so I wouldn't do that, but it doesn't make the stats less true.

Speaking of grieving parents, have you ever gotten around to talking to Seth Rich's family, you useless twat?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1110357868342116352

[Winehole23]

Lotta good that’ll do.

[Chris]

Small Texas Town Terrorized By Cartel Members, Resident Begs for Border Wall


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/small-texas-town-terrorized-by-cartel-members-resident-begs-for-border-wall/

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1112011162504347649

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1112091249153134598

[Pavlov]

So no trade with Mexico now? Dude is begging for a recession.

[ducks]

Plants should be in USA that builds cars not Mexico

[ducks]

So no trade with Mexico now? Dude is begging for a recession.
Southern border is surrounded by Mexico
If Mexico does not help with cost to stop illegals and drugs why should we let the Mexico in work in USA and then they send that money back to help their economy not the USA economy

[Pavlov]

Southern border is surrounded by Mexico
If Mexico does not help with cost to stop illegals and drugs why should we let the Mexico in work in USA and then they send that money back to help their economy not the USA economyU.S. goods and services trade with Mexico totaled an estimated $615.9 billion in 2017. Exports were $276.2 billion; imports were $339.8 billion.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

According to the U.S. Department of Commerce’s National Travel and Tourism Office (NTTO), 2016 spending by Mexican travelers totaled USD 20.3 billion

https://www.export.gov/article?id=Mexico-Travel-and-Tourism-Services

Why stop all of that?

[koriwhat]

So no trade with Mexico now? Dude is begging for a recession.

fuck it! time to learn a god damn lesson for once!

[Pavlov]

fuck it! time to learn a god damn lesson for once!You need to learn about recessions?

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1112091249153134598

Mexico needs to use it's immigration laws to stop it's people from leaving.

Oh ok komrade.

[koriwhat]

You need to learn about recessions?

already been through a blip of one as it still permeates through our economy still to date.

it's time to stand tall and not bow to the loser left nor mexico whether or not it hurts us short term. time to stop bending over and taking it!

[koriwhat]

Mexico needs to use it's immigration laws to stop it's people from leaving.

Oh ok komrade.

its

ps: dumbass libs

[Chris]

its

ps: dumbass libs

He also thinks the Bible and the Koran are the same :lol

[Pavlov]

already been through a blip of one as it still permeates through our economy still to date.

it's time to stand tall and not bow to the loser left nor mexico whether or not it hurts us short term. time to stop bending over and taking it!:lol CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF BROWN PEOPLE

[Chris]

Pavlov thinks all people from Mexico are brown :lol

[Pavlov]

Pavlov thinks all people from Mexico are brown :lol:lol Qhris is afraid of white immigrants.

[koriwhat]

He also thinks the Bible and the Koran are the same :lol

that's because he's a cuck and loves isis' sandy asses.

[koriwhat]

:lol CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF BROWN PEOPLE

see how wrong you are by assuming bs? i'm so far from being afraid of brown people and more worried about loser cucks with white guilt who are retards like yourself & who would rather see this country burn than grow a spine & be the man you should be.

[Pavlov]

see how wrong you are by assuming bs? i'm so far from being afraid of brown people and more worried about loser cucks with white guilt who are retards like yourself & who would rather see this country burn than grow a spine & be the man you should be.CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS

[koriwhat]

CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS

lmao always trying to be clever and falling short time and time again; it's your only redeeming quality and it's not redeeming at all.

no one is afraid of you technically; it's your shitlib ideology that scares most. yall are sad people living sad lives.

ps: funny how you care about the economy now... you can thank TRUMP for that!

[Pavlov]

lmao always trying to be clever and falling short time and time again; it's your only redeeming quality and it's not redeeming at all.

no one is afraid of you technically; it's your shitlib ideology that scares most. yall are sad people living sad lives.

ps: funny how you care about the economy now... you can thank TRUMP for that!CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF AN IDEOLOGY

[koriwhat]

CRASH OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF AN IDEOLOGY

an ideology of stupidity, violence, and hate; that's the liberal ideology in a nutshell.

[koriwhat]

pav why aren't you thanking trump for such a wonderful thriving economy? you can't even thank him for any of the good he's done thus far? lmao you hate because you ain't!

[Pavlov]

an ideology of stupidity, violence, and hate; that's the liberal ideology in a nutshell.You're the one who wishes death on people you hate, sissy.

[Pavlov]

pav why aren't you thanking trump for such a wonderful thriving economy? you can't even thank him for any of the good he's done thus far? lmao you hate because you ain't!Did you thank Obama?

Yes or no.

[koriwhat]

You're the one who wishes death on people you hate, sissy.

i keep seeing you and blake crying respectively and it's no surprise seeing how you both are a couple of bitches so keep crying all you'd like bitch boy. :cry :tu

boo hoo you wish death on us sissy faggots on ST... :cry


Did you thank Obama?

Yes or no.

fuck no i don't because that dude didn't do a god damn thing. guess he lost or never had trump's magic wand!

[Pavlov]

i keep seeing you and blake crying respectively and it's no surprise seeing how you both are a couple of bitches so keep crying all you'd like bitch boy. :cry :tu

boo hoo you wish death on us sissy faggots on ST... :cry:lol what a weak little girl you are.



fuck no i don't because that dude didn't do a god damn thing. guess he lost or never had trump's magic wand!:lol but you're not a Trump supporter.

Are you thanking Trump right now?

Do you support Trump?

[koriwhat]

:lol what a weak little girl you are.


:lol but you're not a Trump supporter.

Are you thanking Trump right now?

Do you support Trump?

asking why you aren't thanking him tbh. just go back to obama's own words and then applaud trump's magic wand because your golden god was wrong all along about our gdp trajectory.

you want me to call trump fat, make fun of him, applaud past admins, and yet you can't even say trump's done some good which is fact. you're just an angry weak lib like most.

[Pavlov]

asking why you aren't thanking him tbh. just go back to obama's own words and then applaud trump's magic wand because your golden god was wrong all along about our gdp trajectory.Gross domestic product, the official scorecard for the economy, expanded at a 2.2% annual pace in the fourth quarter, the government said Thursday. GDP was marked down from an initial 2.6% estimate.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fourth-quarter-gdp-growth-cut-to-22-from-26-2019-03-28

I guess your mystery news sources failed you, sissy.


you want me to call trump fat, make fun of him, applaud past admins, and yet you can't even say trump's done some good which is fact. you're just an angry weak lib like most.Do you support Trump?

Are you thanking him, weakling?

[Spurtacular]

Gross domestic product, the official scorecard for the economy, expanded at a 2.2% annual pace in the fourth quarter, the government said Thursday. GDP was marked down from an initial 2.6% estimate.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fourth-quarter-gdp-growth-cut-to-22-from-26-2019-03-28

Oops.

Do you support Trump?

Are you thanking him?

A better quaterly GDP than the average Obama GDP a W for you?

[koriwhat]

Gross domestic product, the official scorecard for the economy, expanded at a 2.2% annual pace in the fourth quarter, the government said Thursday. GDP was marked down from an initial 2.6% estimate.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fourth-quarter-gdp-growth-cut-to-22-from-26-2019-03-28

I guess your mystery news sources failed you, sissy.

Do you support Trump?

Are you thanking him, weakling?

:lmao if trump keeps yall weak bitches crying then i will support him in 2020. i love watching you loons cry daily; them tears taste so fucking good!

[Pavlov]

:lmao if trump keeps yall weak bitches crying then i will support him in 2020. i love watching you loons cry daily; them tears taste so fucking good!Are you thanking Trump right now for the economy?

Yes or no.

[koriwhat]

Are you thanking Trump right now for the economy?

Yes or no.

sure. he's the president so why wouldn't i? like i said, i mean like obama said, does trump have a magic wand? i guess so!

[Pavlov]

sure. he's the president so why wouldn't i? like i said, i mean like obama said, does trump have a magic wand? i guess so!Why didn't you thank Obama?

[koriwhat]

Why didn't you thank Obama?

why are you living in the past? hahaha! trump's president, why are we talking about obama? hahaha!

[Pavlov]

why are you living in the past? hahaha! trump's president, why are we talking about obama? hahaha!Why didn't you thank him?

[koriwhat]

Why didn't you thank him?

i voted for him twice; does that count? hahaha!

[Pavlov]

i voted for him twice; does that count? hahaha!That's not thanking him.

Why didn't you thank him?

[koriwhat]

That's not thanking him.

Why didn't you thank him?

why haven't i thanked trump? do i actually have friendships with past pres's and present? lmao you're a fucking kook.

[Pavlov]

why haven't i thanked trump? do i actually have friendships with past pres's and present? lmao you're a fucking kook.You said I should thank him.


Why haven't you thanked him, sissy?

[koriwhat]

You said I should thank him.


Why haven't you thanked him, sissy?

lets thank him together!

[Pavlov]

lets thank him together!Why haven't you already thanked him, sissy?

[koriwhat]

Why haven't you already thanked him, sissy?

i've been waiting for you tbh... aren't we thanking him together?

[Pavlov]

i've been waiting for you tbh... aren't we thanking him together?Holy shit! You're such a fucking weakling you can't thank Trump all by yourself like a man?

:lol sissy

[koriwhat]

Holy shit! You're such a fucking weakling you can't thank Trump all by yourself like a man?

:lol sissy

let's thank him together like MEN!

[Pavlov]

let's thank him together like MEN!:lmao little sissy needs someone to hold his hand

[koriwhat]

:lmao little sissy needs someone to hold his hand

you can virtually hold my hand through this glass screen and keyboard? AWESOME!

[Pavlov]

you can virtually hold my hand through this glass screen and keyboard? AWESOME!:lmao so weak begging for help

[koriwhat]

:lmao so weak begging for help

help? i don't need your help to say what's factual; our gdp is better than it ever was under obama. thanks trump! your turn bitchboy.

[Pavlov]

help? i don't need your help to say what's factual; our gdp is better than it ever was under obama. thanks trump! your turn bitchboy.:lmao I bullied you into it.

Sissy.

[koriwhat]

:lmao I bullied you into it.

Sissy.

not at all... i like playing games too from time to time. we still playing or what?

[Pavlov]

not at all... i like playing games too from time to time. we still playing or what?:lol sissy making excuses for being bullied

[koriwhat]

:lol sissy making excuses for being bullied

ah you caught me :cry :depressed

[koriwhat]

the party of tolerance strikes again... bully tactics are beneath them... lol bully me ya bitch!

[Pavlov]

the party of tolerance strikes again... bully tactics are beneath them... lol bully me ya bitch!:lmao sissy. You're playing the victim card again

[koriwhat]

:lmao sissy. You're playing the victim card again

guess i'll be voting dem come 2020!

[Pavlov]

guess i'll be voting dem come 2020!:lmao sissy changing your mind every other post

[koriwhat]

:lmao sissy changing your mind every other post

am i a neo-liberal? TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!

[Pavlov]

am i a neo-liberal? TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!You're just a boring weak sissy.

[koriwhat]

You're just a boring weak sissy.

boring... sure. weak... indeed my bones are only wrapped in skin. sissy... 1 step above. lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1113256579585822720

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1112011162504347649
:lmao just saw this

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1113262879132725248

[boutons_deux]

Mexico expresses concern about US border slowdowns

The Mexican government said Tuesday there are significant slowdowns at U.S. border crossings, particularly at three of the eight between Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas.

The slowdowns have been caused by

a U.S. decision to re-assign some 2,000 border officers who normally check vehicles at border crossings to deal with growing crowds of migrants.

But the slowdowns caused huge backups of trucks and cars, threatening to strangle the movement of goods and people.

“If we don’t get this back to normal very soon, it is going to have an economic cost for both countries,”

The city government of Ciudad Juarez said so many trucks were backed up at border freight crossing there that they began to crowd some of the city’s main boulevards, “causing losses for shopkeepers and creating traffic problems.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-expresses-concern-about-us-border-slowdowns/2019/04/02/ff9b819a-55a3-11e9-aa83-504f086bf5d6_story.html?utm_term=.7351728cccbf (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-expresses-concern-about-us-border-slowdowns/2019/04/02/ff9b819a-55a3-11e9-aa83-504f086bf5d6_story.html?utm_term=.7351728cccbf)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1113479083210489856

[boutons_deux]

Truckers gridlocked at U.S.-Mexico line as border agents moved

CIUDAD JUAREZ (Reuters) - Trucks delivering goods from Mexico to the United States are facing up to 12 hours of gridlock, drivers said,

after a transfer of U.S. border agents to immigration duties slowed the flow of commercial traffic at several border crossings.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico/truckers-gridlocked-at-u-s-mexico-line-as-border-agents-moved-idUSKCN1RE2GQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico/truckers-gridlocked-at-u-s-mexico-line-as-border-agents-moved-idUSKCN1RE2GQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29)

[boutons_deux]

CHASING DANGER


Border Patrol agents are granted wide latitude when trying to catch drivers seeking to enter U.S. illegally

In the last four years alone, along the U.S. side of the border, at least 250 people were injured and 22 died after a Border Patrol pursuit.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-ln-border-patrol-immigrant-chases-crashes/#nws=mcnewsletter (https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-ln-border-patrol-immigrant-chases-crashes/#nws=mcnewsletter)

[SpursforSix]

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1112011162504347649

holy shit...wtf...lol...

clown level packaging

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1113795389646409729

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1113856307596017664

[boutons_deux]

a big turd from shit hole TX

Texas GOP official tries to attack immigrants at the border — and it blows up in his face


https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/mackowiak.png

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/texas-gop-official-tries-attack-immigrants-border-blows-face/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/texas-gop-official-tries-attack-immigrants-border-blows-face/)

[Pavlov]

:lol What's with the vest?
1113763507101741056

[Winehole23]

what's the point of wearing it if you're not going to put the plates in?

[CosmicCowboy]

what's the point of wearing it if you're not going to put the plates in?

LOL. no shit. But he looks cool.

[FrostKing]

:lol What's with the vest?
1113763507101741056
Don't second guess your black master

[Blake]

:lol What's with the vest?
1113763507101741056

He's got a place for a water bottle and snacks. Maybe a small battery powered fan

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1114180176185786368

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1114121013279830016

Wray says a lot in 1 minute.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1114121013279830016

Wray says a lot in 1 minute.They kidnap the US citizens here, take them to Mexico for reasons and bring them back?

Is that how it relates to the border "crisis"?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/status/1114316595654987777

[TSA]

what's the point of wearing it if you're not going to put the plates in?

It’s over the top and he looks ridiculous but there’s a plate in there. Zoom in and you can see the outline.

[spurraider21]

It’s over the top and he looks ridiculous but there’s a plate in there. Zoom in and you can see the outline.
780813021291614208

[Pavlov]

Gallup has been asking the same question on immigration since 1965:

Thinking now about immigrants – that is, people who come from other countries to live here in the United States, in your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased?

Since Trump was elected in 2016, the percentage of Americans who wanted increased immigration has risen by 9 percentage points from 21 percent to 30 percent (Figure 1). Meanwhile, the percentage of Americans who want less immigration has fallen from 38 percent to 31 percent. In other words, the difference between those who want to increase immigration and those who want to decrease it currently lies within the statistical margin of error. The percentage of those who want to keep immigration at the present level has stayed constant over that time. The last time support for increased immigration climbed that much in so short a time was between 2011 and 2014, during a debate over a major reform bill in Congress. Although the pro-reform side did not convince Congress to liberalize immigration law, they may have changed the minds of many Americans.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrations-popularity-rising-thanks-trump

lol Trump

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Mike Pence Mike_pence
·
21h
. realDonaldTrump
is doing his job to SECURE OUR BORDER!
@CBP
is doing their job. It’s time for Congress to do its job and CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES in our immigration laws & end the CRISIS on our southern border!

[ducks]

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrations-popularity-rising-thanks-trump

lol Trump
Wanting them is fine
Legally is best ask the law

[Pavlov]

Wanting them is fine
Legally is best ask the lawSo make legal immigration easier.

[ducks]

We are making them fill the paper work by building the wall!

[Pavlov]

We are making them fill the paper work by building the wall!lol no

https://www.pappaspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/mexico_border_wall-1170x780.jpg

[ducks]

Just like a marine wife here illegally 20 years
Wife never filled out paper work
And then teacher parent says kids will fall behind mom has to go back to Mexico
Mom can bring her kids back to Mexico or stay in USA hire a babysitting
20 years and not filling out the paper work is fucking lazy

[ducks]

It is pretty easy to get citizenship
Just backed up need more judges and people doing paper work
Problem is judges and people are to busy with the paper work for the illegals here and
Ones staying over their visas

[ducks]

You must think it is a good idea to do a background check on people coming to USA for USA citizenship

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1114849508473692160?s=20

Open borders victory in Europe.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1114849508473692160?s=20

Open borders victory in Europe.

i'd carry slabs of stinky ass pork with me daily to school and throw it at them sandy scumbag retards.

[Nathan89]

i'd carry slabs of stinky ass pork with me daily to school and throw it at them sandy scumbag retards.

Well that's where the school and law would have to intervene. That would be a hate crime. Can't have that. But berating the whites that foolishly let them into the country is business as usual. In fact that's mundane.

[Pavlov]

It is pretty easy to get citizenshipNo.

Ask El Nono

[koriwhat]

Well that's where the school and law would have to intervene. That would be a hate crime. Can't have that. But berating the whites that foolishly let them into the country is business as usual. In fact that's mundane.

what a twisted ass backwards world we're living in today.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1113112729357881344?s=20

European shitholes that didn't regulate their borders think the solution is authoritarian government silencing their citizens.

[Nathan89]

what a twisted ass backwards world we're living in today.

When you are being asked to assimilate to the culture of the invasive "refugees" then you know ya fucked up.

[ducks]

Report: El Salvador: 69% denied, Guatemala: 75% denied, Honduras: 76% denied asylum.

[koriwhat]

When you are being asked to assimilate to the culture of the invasive "refugees" then you know ya fucked up.

indeed and i hope all those shit countries become shitholes with their own undoing. fuck them all! buh bye germany, sweden, uk, etc... fuck all you weak bitches!

[koriwhat]

Report: El Salvador: 69% denied, Guatemala: 75% denied, Honduras: 76% denied asylum.

good! the numbers should be more at 100% for all 3 countries and all aide should be cut to those 3 shitholes too.