Derrick White = Poor Man's George Hill

[Spurtacular]

Sorry, just calling it how I see it.

[Mr. Body]

Dumb.

[Spurtacular]

Smart.

[Pavlov]

Dumb.:lol:tu

[DAF86]

Poor man's George with 12, 7, 4 and 2. Not bad, tbh.

[timvp]

Yeah, I mean that's about his floor.

[Pavlov]

IOW Derrick White >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmer

[sananspursfan21]

Ouch. You’re a poor man’s whoever you think you are.

[DAF86]

I thought OP liked white.

[Spurtacular]

Poor man's George with 12, 7, 4 and 2. Not bad, tbh.

That a career game for him?

[Spurtacular]

I thought OP liked white.

I do to a degree. But I don't see the reality of his skills set portrayed here.

[Pavlov]

Poor man's George with 12, 7, 4 and 2. Not bad, tbh.
That a career game for him?
That's a 70, 20, 10 and 6 night in China.

[Pavlov]

I do to a degree. But I don't see the reality of his skills set portrayed here.:lmao WTF does that even mean?

[Mikeanaro]

I dont know, I like him.
Better than the original fathead, thats for sure.

[justinandimcool]

Not a bad comparison tbh

White is better at staying in front of guys, Hill was better at guarding taller guards that liked to post up.

Offense looks to be at a similar level right now but I can see White being a better creator. If he can make a jumper off the dribble consistently he'll automatically be better, he showed some of it tonight

[BD24]

This is coming from the same guy that thinks Jimmer is an NBA level player. Move along people, nothing to see here.

[paperboy77]

I think White is actually underrated in this board. You hear a lot of folks saying he’s “above average “....that’s a backhanded compliment like mo-fo. The guy is plain good. The guy is just a steadying hand and still has much room to improve.... mostly in the confidence department. Both personal and of the coaches. He’s a very tall PG so for the position the guy is good and would be good on any pro team. He’s not a short SG or midget PG. Gotta start giving him credit. We’ll see how it goes but either he’ll be a very valuable trade piece OR Even makes Murray a possible trade piece.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

He's nothing like George hill tbh. He's a better ball handler and by far has better court vision. His offensive game is also nothing like hill bc he likes to shoot fade aways and has a midrange game. He's also a better defender tbh. George Hill was awful on the Spurs. I'm probably the only one here who hated Hill. Just another Roger Mason Jr to me. He CHOKES in every big playoff game he's ever been in. Ask LeBron how much he enjoyed watching Hill shoot those free throws. I still havent forgiven him for airballing the game winner against Memphis. A miss is one thing but to AIRBALL a wide open 3! Man was I happy when we traded his bum ass.

[Chris]

Nope.

This guy was a steal just like Forbe$.

Spurs front office wins AGAIN.

This kid is exactly the kind of PG you want in today's NBA.

[Calispursfan11]

If white can play like the last 2 games consistently, he’s already as valuable or more than a George Hill type. Unfortunately that remains to be seen, but there’s no doubt he’s improving and beyond D league status at least.

[Fireball]

was Hill even playing relevant minutes at Whites age?

[Hoops Czar]

was Hill even playing relevant minutes at Whites age?
Was that Hill's fault? I remember when fans wanted to trade Parker and keep Hill.

[Down Under]

Already got better court vision, tighter handles & defence. Similar shooter.

[Fireball]

Was that Hill's fault? I remember when fans wanted to trade Parker and keep Hill.

I always liked Hill ... just seems dumb to me to make a (negative minded) comparison between the two this early at Whites career ...

[Spurtacular]

Was that Hill's fault? I remember when fans wanted to trade Parker and keep Hill.

Yup. And a not far removed from MVP talk Parker at that. People here really forgetting how things were....

[John B]

I honestly think White has way higher ceiling than Hill, way higher. Easily he is the best defensive guy out there now and still improving. His confidence with finding his shots will just get better. He’s pushing the tempo in transition offense, the reason I guess he fights for rebounds, albeit competing with Poeltl on one possession that lost the ball. But in retrospect I now understand why the focus on rebounding, to force the transition offense. I like this guy a lot and his hard work is showing dividends.

[Spurtacular]

Easily he is the best defensive guy out there

Not saying much when the competish is Mills and Forbes. And even then, that's cos Murray is out injured.

[MoSpur02]

I liked George Hill, but never got why Spurs fans liked him so much. White is better at passing and defending this early on in his career than Hill was that early in his career. His ceiling is higher than Hill's if he develops a consistent three point shot and starts finishing better near the basket.

[Spurtacular]

I liked George Hill, but never got why Spurs fans liked him so much. White is better at passing and defending this early on in his career than Hill was that early in his career. His ceiling is higher than Hill's if he develops a consistent three point shot and starts finishing better near the basket.

Currently, Hill has a career 38 3FG to 34 3FG for White; and people thought that was a weakness in GH's game, tbh.

Also, I just think Hill is/was a more proficient scorer. He came out of college as a four-year player when few were that seasoned. We knew he was polished already. White may or may not get there; for now, he's a poor man's George Hill though.

[superbigtime]

Pretty impressed w White lately. Now that he's not playing like a scared rabbit anymore. Used to think he was pitiful.

[r0drig0lac]

idk, but he will be better than Joseph, though I think Brogdon would be a guy I'd like to compare because I believe they're close at the game level

[ceperez]

White is better than George Hill.

He's bigger, better handles, better court vision and can shoot better.

Since Joseph was mentioned, yes, he's better that him too.

Longer. better handles better court vision and can shoot better.

[spursparker9]

Why did White dropped to the Spurs in the draft?

[8FOR!3]

Wins are starting to come bc defense is improving. Defense is improving bc we finally have a big/wing/guard defender. Poeltl/Bertans/White

[RC_Drunkford]

I honestly think White has way higher ceiling than Hill, way higher. Easily he is the best defensive guy out there now and still improving. His confidence with finding his shots will just get better. He’s pushing the tempo in transition offense, the reason I guess he fights for rebounds, albeit competing with Poeltl on one possession that lost the ball. But in retrospect I now understand why the focus on rebounding, to force the transition offense. I like this guy a lot and his hard work is showing dividends.

Agree. White got NBA All-Defensive potential. The guy is defending players like Harden and Lou Williams well. Those are All-Stars, Harden is the MVP matter of fact. Really curious how he will do against Kyrie. Since the Denver game he has found some aggression in his game and it only makes him better. I think he will be better than Hill was

[XDT76]

Why did White dropped to the Spurs in the draft?

He is a 24 year old rookie who play most of his varsity time in the division II of NCAA.

[J_Paco]

Was that Hill's fault? I remember when fans wanted to trade Parker and keep Hill.

Um, the team would have one less championship with Hill instead of TP. Anyone asking for that move was an idiot plain and simple.


Yup. And a not far removed from MVP talk Parker at that. People here really forgetting how things were....

Context: Tony was coming off an injury plagued season and put up some of the worst numbers of his career (during his physical peak) while Hill was overachieving and some people (falsely) thought he had all-star potential.

I think the front-office made the right decision and if White can become a solid pro like Hill that is a good thing. I do think his bigger frame, superior handles, better passing and more consistent (at a similar age) defense makes the one - to - one comparison inaccurate.

Also, White is a far more natural PG while Hill (like Forbes & Mills) is a SG trapped in a PG's body.

[ceperez]

Why did White dropped to the Spurs in the draft?

He didn't get a scholarship in a division I school. He eventually got into a division I school but played only one year.

So his path to success hasn't been traditional. He's a late bloomer.

Being a late bloomer, it is taking a while for his body to become strong enough for higher level play. I think with more weight and strength (like Forbes), he's going to be a very good player.

Also, people who are late bloomers tend to be a lot smarter than average.

Hill also took a while in college but he made progress in the years he was as a Spur. I think his peak was when he was in Indiana, that's where he finally learned how to shoot the 3.

White is actually a very good 3 point shooter, what surprises me is how good he has become on defense. He's got uncanny quickness and anticipation. Watch his steals, it's like, how did he figure out to get where he's at so quickly? It's just uncanny.

I mean 6 steals against Denver? How does that happen?

[SpursDynasty85]

Um, the team would have one less championship with Hill instead of TP. Anyone asking for that move was an idiot plain and simple.



Context: Tony was coming off an injury plagued season and put up some of the worst numbers of his career (during his physical peak) while Hill was overachieving and some people (falsely) thought he had all-star potential.

I think the front-office made the right decision and if White can become a solid pro like Hill that is a good thing. I do think his bigger frame, superior handles, better passing and more consistent (at a similar age) defense makes the one - to - one comparison inaccurate.

Also, White is a far more natural PG while Hill (like Forbes & Mills) is a SG trapped in a PG's body.

Most were assuming they could get a top 5 pick for TP at that time.

[jjktkk]

I remember when fans wanted to trade Parker and keep Hill.

I remember when you had solid takes on here. LOL, JK, I don't remember.

[jjktkk]

We knew he was polished already. White may or may not get there; for now, he's a poor man's George Hill though.

Nobody knew who Hill was coming out of IUPUI, and certainly no one had great expectations for Hill coming from such a small school.

[exstatic]

Why did White dropped to the Spurs in the draft?

He only played one year at the D1 level, so most teams weren’t sure what he was.

[duncan2150]

He didn't get a scholarship in a division I school. He eventually got into a division I school but played only one year.

So his path to success hasn't been traditional. He's a late bloomer.

Being a late bloomer, it is taking a while for his body to become strong enough for higher level play. I think with more weight and strength (like Forbes), he's going to be a very good player.

Also, people who are late bloomers tend to be a lot smarter than average.

Hill also took a while in college but he made progress in the years he was as a Spur. I think his peak was when he was in Indiana, that's where he finally learned how to shoot the 3.

White is actually a very good 3 point shooter, what surprises me is how good he has become on defense. He's got uncanny quickness and anticipation. Watch his steals, it's like, how did he figure out to get where he's at so quickly? It's just uncanny.

I mean 6 steals against Denver? How does that happen?

+1

his stock rised during predraft workouts, scrimmage .... 2-3 weeks before the draft he was just a mid/late second rounder.

[ceperez]

White, 6 steals in Denver


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoh3qo8po0

[Mr. Body]

I think White could be even better than I expected. I didn't think he'd be a defensive plus, certainly not this early. I knew his court vision was surprisingly good. His scoring will come around.

[ceperez]

He is a 24 year old rookie who play most of his varsity time in the division II of NCAA.

Let that sink in for everyone, he played 3 years in Division II.

In contrast, Bryn Forbes (who was not drafted) played 4 years in Division I.

[Mr. Body]

Let that sink in for everyone, he played 3 years in Division II.

In contrast, Bryn Forbes (who was not drafted) played 4 years in Division I.

Are you saying that's good or bad? He grew five inches in college. He grew two inches his last year of high school.

[ceperez]

Are you saying that's good or bad? He grew five inches in college. He grew two inches his last year of high school.

I'm saying how remarkable his growth has been.

[Mr. Body]

I'm saying how remarkable his growth has been.

Agree. I do think he's always had a good knack for basketball. He's the rare player who grew into an NBA body as he went.

[DAF86]

White is better than George Hill.

He's bigger, better handles, better court vision and can shoot better.

Since Joseph was mentioned, yes, he's better that him too.

Longer. better handles better court vision and can shoot better.

I wouldn't say White is longer. George Hill has a 7 foot wingspan, White only has a 6'7" wingspan.

[timvp]

George Hill has a 7 foot wingspan

https://i.imgur.com/IsmDMDp.png

[koriwhat]

i hate to say it but i have never seen hill this tenacious on defense this early on in his career if ever. i remember in hill's time with the spurs he was our defensive specialist but it really looks like white is leaps ahead of him in that department already. i think we were all fooled by hill's physique and long arms but white is like a feisty pit bull looking to bite your hand off for that ball.

[DAF86]

https://i.imgur.com/IsmDMDp.png


The 6-foot-2 player has a 7-foot wingspan

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/2018/01/23/george-hill-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-trade-rumors-isaiah-thomas-future/amp/

Some places say 7 foot, others 6'10", others 6'9". Whatever the case, he's longer than White.

[Mugen]

Forehead's the limit with my man DWhite, definitely think he can be a 14/5/5 guy with above average defense.

[Pavlov]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/2018/01/23/george-hill-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-trade-rumors-isaiah-thomas-future/amp/

Some places say 7 foot, others 6'10", others 6'9". Whatever the case, he's longer than White.lol it's 6'9"

[DAF86]

Forehead's the limit with my man DWhite, definitely think he can be a 14/5/5 guy with above average defense.

He is already showing glimpses of 1st team all-defense at the PG position, tbh.

[ceperez]

Hill had a 6'9" wingspan and White has a 6'8" wingspan ( https://www.nbadraft.net/players/derrick-white )

[TDMVPDPOY]

comparing a 2nd year white to a prime hill?.....

[TDMVPDPOY]

i hate to say it but i have never seen hill this tenacious on defense this early on in his career if ever. i remember in hill's time with the spurs he was our defensive specialist but it really looks like white is leaps ahead of him in that department already. i think we were all fooled by hill's physique and long arms but white is like a feisty pit bull looking to bite your hand off for that ball.

hill was molded more into the bowen type defender, not the type that will get you steals and blocks aka danny/kawhi type of defender...

white is currently like kyle anderson, but with more speed and aggressive approach to the game

[Pavlov]

Hill had a 6'9" wingspan and White has a 6'8" wingspan ( https://www.nbadraft.net/players/derrick-white )White's is 6'7.5"

Bottom line is it barely matters.

[koriwhat]

hill was molded more into the bowen type defender

i hadn't thought of that but you're damn correct.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would have assumed that OP would love a player named White:lol

[Nivek_ogre]

Hill is and always has been overrated here. Even in Indiana he underproduced .

[Mikeanaro]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/2018/01/23/george-hill-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-trade-rumors-isaiah-thomas-future/amp/

Some places say 7 foot, others 6'10", others 6'9". Whatever the case, he's longer than White.
I wouldnt think too much about it, he is not a great dunker for that supposed wingspan.
Always a terrible PG for SA, doubting too much to do anything.
White on the other hand has nice speed and explosive hops.

Hill being so skinny gives the impression of large arms.
And there is not much else to say about him.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody knew who Hill was coming out of IUPUI, and certainly no one had great expectations for Hill coming from such a small school.

He was polished coming out of college, bruh. You not knowing about him doesn't change that.

[Spurtacular]

Um, the team would have one less championship with Hill instead of TP. Anyone asking for that move was an idiot plain and simple.



Context: Tony was coming off an injury plagued season and put up some of the worst numbers of his career (during his physical peak) while Hill was overachieving and some people (falsely) thought he had all-star potential.

I think the front-office made the right decision and if White can become a solid pro like Hill that is a good thing. I do think his bigger frame, superior handles, better passing and more consistent (at a similar age) defense makes the one - to - one comparison inaccurate.

Also, White is a far more natural PG while Hill (like Forbes & Mills) is a SG trapped in a PG's body.

Hill was playing at a high level; he continued to be a starter at Indy, bruh.

[Spurtacular]

White, 6 steals in Denver


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoh3qo8po0

Someone had to fill the defensive void created by Fathead's departure.

SAGirl (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524)

[bdictjames]

Hopefully he's a little more strong-headed. I always thought George Hill was great, but he was pretty mentally weak tbh. Hopefully White can fill more into those shoes and be a good leader on the floor.

[MaNu4Tres]

White has more depth to his game on both ends.

[offset formation]

Hopefully, between White and Cunningham, we have enough energy, tenacity, and elbows to throw at nephew next week. Not sure who's gonna take care of Siakam, Lowry, or OG though.

As long as the Spurs spank them, and Kawhitter shits the bed (read: plays well below his averages), I'll be content.

Hoping for DeRozan and Aldridge to play inspired ball.

[gambit1990]

no, george hill sucks.

[TDMVPDPOY]

took GHILL a while to become a goot shooter

white in his 2nd year is already a better shooter then ghill

imo white needs to be more aggressive on offense looking for his own baskets, then being afraid of missing a shot going straight to the bench to be chewed out by pop...

[Spurtacular]

imo white needs to be more aggressive on offense looking for his own baskets, then being afraid of missing a shot going straight to the bench to be chewed out by pop...

Maybe that's what it is. Repeatedly, I would see White and Bertans get past their man and not even square their shoulders to the basket. It was obvious they were expected to find the next guy after the defense converged. But that lack of ability to keep the defense honest is going to kill the Spurs come playoff time.

[John B]

Don’t laugh now, but I see Kidd in White, with the vision, bigger guard and elite defense. Hey you never know. Spurs helped honed a 28th pick guard to a future HOF.

[Brazil]

better than jimmer faggot that's for sure

[Spurtacular]

If White gonna consistently play like this, I might have to redact my opinion. But I ain't wrong to this point all the same.

[picnroll]

If White gonna consistently play like this, I might have to redact my opinion. But I ain't wrong to this point all the same.
Hang in there buddy, you’re bound to be right on your assessment of some player. You know, it’s a blind pig/acorn-type thing.

[UZER]

George hill was always a poor mans version of George hill.

[ceperez]

Poor man's george hill? Maybe poor man's Paul George!

[TDMVPDPOY]

derrick white showing more upside then say murray

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Derrick white is the best all around player on the spurs

[picnroll]

The birth of the opposing White- Murray fan boy clubs. Now that Manu’s retired and Parker’s gone we needed a replacement.

[Spurtacular]

Hang in there buddy, you’re bound to be right on your assessment of some player. You know, it’s a blind pig/acorn-type thing.

Let's see D White hit double digit scoring average at least before you get to talking, buddy.

[picnroll]

Let's see D White hit double digit scoring average at least before you get to talking, buddy.

Let’s see Jimmer make it out of summer camp before you assess another player. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Let’s see Jimmer make it out of summer camp before you assess another player. :lol

:lmao Coming at me with your bitch-ass alt.

[exstatic]

In the third quarter, and half of the fourth, Stevens had Smart bring up the ball, and Kyrie playing off of it. White had his ass locked down. Wow.

[Mugen]

Locked Kyrie the fuck down, made life hell for anybody that he guarded tbh, this guy is a fucking stud in the making. Hope he stays healthy.

[Capt Bringdown]

Who is this Derrick White?

[FranchisePlayer]

stfu with your trash takes already faggot

[timtonymanu]

:lol George Hill was/is a choker. Unless he was playing the Mavericks, but he was dogshit against Phoenix and Memphis.

I still have to see White in the postseason but he has a potentially higher ceiling than IUPUI.

[picnroll]

Can’t wait to see the Murray/White defensive combo next year. Going to be brutal.

[objective]

Who is this Derrick White?

He's the guy who wasn't over himself last year and it wasn't fair to the team to give him minutes.

That's why there was so much Mills & Forbes backcourts and Mills in general last season.

[Seventyniner]

He's the guy who wasn't over himself last year and it wasn't fair to the team to give him minutes.

That's why there was so much Mills & Forbes backcourts and Mills in general last season.

Or, just maybe, White wasn't as good a player last year as he is now. How do you know that all that time in Austin wasn't exactly what he needed?

[offset formation]

Or, just maybe, White wasn't as good a player last year as he is now. How do you know that all that time in Austin wasn't exactly what he needed?

Stop making that much sense. Surely Pop fucked him over merely out of silly loyalties and some such nonsense.

[MoSpur02]

Tonight again proves White has a brighter future than Hill

[objective]

Or, just maybe, White wasn't as good a player last year as he is now. How do you know that all that time in Austin wasn't exactly what he needed?

Because it's what Pop did to Hill and Splitter. You think Splitter needed a year in garbage time after being MVP of the best league in Europe, right?

I watched White in the gleague, he could have played minutes last year

[rogcl1]

[QUOTE=objective;9653418]He's the guy who wasn't over himself last year and it wasn't fair to the team to give him minutes.

That's why there was so much Mills & Forbes backcourts and Mills in general last season.[QUOTE]

Did you see his post game interview in which he acknowledged his time spent in D league contributed to his success and allowed him to get comfortable ect.

[Spurs da champs]

White is looking more and more like a complete player, his individual/off ball/help defense is much better than Hills imo too. Hill's defense was always overrated because of his length.

[objective]

[QUOTE=objective;9653418]He's the guy who wasn't over himself last year and it wasn't fair to the team to give him minutes.

That's why there was so much Mills & Forbes backcourts and Mills in general last season.[QUOTE]

Did you see his post game interview in which he acknowledged his time spent in D league contributed to his success and allowed him to get comfortable ect.

It helps, it wasn't everything though. Better to play than not play. Besides, if he says anything different it's a sign he's not over himself and needs to be humbled. I bet if I went back I could find similar quotes from Splitter when asked about whether his first season spent watching was helpful.

But some might believe that the mature 23 year old who was pac-12 defensive team was completely clueless with no ability to contribute and only learned how to play the day after last season ended.

There's a reason why some people were calling for him to play last year ... It's because he looked like he could play.

[Seventyniner]

It helps, it wasn't everything though. Better to play than not play. Besides, if he says anything different it's a sign he's not over himself and needs to be humbled. I bet if I went back I could find similar quotes from Splitter when asked about whether his first season spent watching was helpful.

That's an argument for exactly what happened, as opposed to what you wished had happened. G-League talent isn't NBA talent, but it's a step above NCAA talent and it lets players learn the sets during actual game-speed action instead of just riding the bench.

[objective]

That's an argument for exactly what happened, as opposed to what you wished had happened. G-League talent isn't NBA talent, but it's a step above NCAA talent and it lets players learn the sets during actual game-speed action instead of just riding the bench.

But he could have played on the big squad, he was good enough. Don't tell me you don't remember the nightly disasters of Mills-Forbes on defense or when Mills was logging over 30 minutes a game, which even his defenders would probably concede is too much for his style of play.

I'll emphasize: he was already a mature 23 year old, that's why he dominated. He was already a player

The prospects who get the most out of the g-league are the very young or inexperienced, like Murray and Cory Joseph, guys who only had one year of college and needed lots of development, both on and off the court. Or even guys who were being asked to develop completely different skills than they had, like Forbes playing point guard in the g-league.

[8sy21vd]

White is looking more and more like a complete player, his individual/off ball/help defense is much better than Hills imo too. Hill's defense was always overrated because of his length.

I'm not educated enough to comment on Hill but his activity on D really stands out. He can cause havoc on that end. Great offensive game tonight too. Great signs!

[weebo]

But he could have played on the big squad, he was good enough. Don't tell me you don't remember the nightly disasters of Mills-Forbes on defense or when Mills was logging over 30 minutes a game, which even his defenders would probably concede is too much for his style of play.

I'll emphasize: he was already a mature 23 year old, that's why he dominated. He was already a player

The prospects who get the most out of the g-league are the very young or inexperienced, like Murray and Cory Joseph, guys who only had one year of college and needed lots of development, both on and off the court. Or even guys who were being asked to develop completely different skills than they had, like Forbes playing point guard in the g-league.


He wasn’t needed last year—we had Murray, Tp and Manu. I remember watching him last year the few times he got some run—he looked lost—overwhelmed, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

He wasn't that good earlier in the year. It's starting to click for him now. There's no reason to think it would have clicked last year.

[Budkin]

Watched a good amount of White with the Austin Spurs last year. Really great to see him growing as a player in the big leagues.

[Seventyniner]

He wasn't that good earlier in the year. It's starting to click for him now. There's no reason to think it would have clicked last year.

The main reasons are 20/20 hindsight and an agenda based on criticism.

I didn't say they were good reasons...

[TDMVPDPOY]

gotto love the wankers on this site, continue to compare white to hill

when u clowns should be comparing him to your favorite murry, who looks like a draft busts....

[BD24]

Spurt = the biggest dumb ass on st tbh. Hell of an achievement

[BillMc]

The question is can he be (or is he already) better than Murray? And will one of them be forced to be a bench player?

[BackHome]

I don’t think it is Murray Vs White I think Pop will have them play together and you will see reduced minutes for Mills and Forbes.

[J_Paco]

The question is can he be (or is he already) better than Murray? And will one of them be forced to be a bench player?

Obviously, someone of the trio of Murray, White and Walker is going to be a 6th man, but is better to have three solid prospects at the guard spots. Unlike a few years ago when Tony and Manu were older, aging and the team had no young, quality successors to their spots.

[Fireball]

OP :lol

[Spurtacular]

Spurt = the biggest dumb ass on st tbh. Hell of an achievement

Bruh, you preemptively triggered AF by me in every thread.

:rollin

[BillMc]

Obviously, someone of the trio of Murray, White and Walker is going to be a 6th man, but is better to have three solid prospects at the guard spots. Unlike a few years ago when Tony and Manu were older, aging and the team had no young, quality successors to their spots.

I agree. I'm just wondering which one is off the bench.

[exstatic]

I agree. I'm just wondering which one is off the bench.

My guess would be LW4. He’s the least developed, and would likely be happy just to be on the big squad.

[exstatic]

I don’t think it is Murray Vs White I think Pop will have them play together and you will see reduced minutes for Mills and Forbes.


Once upon a time, in the mid eighties, the Detroit Pistons drafted a PG named Joe Dumars. The thing is, they already had an All NBA PG named Isaiah Thomas. They decided to play them together, and it seemed to work out OK.

The End.

[XDT76]

Once upon a time, in the mid eighties, the Detroit Pistons drafted a PG named Joe Dumars. The thing is, they already had an All NBA PG named Isaiah Thomas. They decided to play them together, and it seemed to work out OK.

The End.

The only problem with playing Murray with White is that you get lots of Mills and Forbes playing together, which is a big no no for us.

[MaNu4Tres]

The only problem with playing Murray with White is that you get lots of Mills and Forbes playing together, which is a big no no for us.

Not with Murray, and White getting 28-32 mpg and Lonnie having a role too.

Mills will likely be demoted like Pau has been with Dejounte, White, Lonnie, and Forbes all healthy.

Only so many minutes.

[Gagnrath]

Hopefully he's a little more strong-headed. I always thought George Hill was great, but he was pretty mentally weak tbh. Hopefully White can fill more into those shoes and be a good leader on the floor.

From my view Hill is a guy who generally can't set the pace of a team, but he's good enough that people keep looking for him to fill that role. He's also a pretty good ball handler, but lacks the sense of spacing and timing to be a full time starting point guard. His size the that he is a bit small for some 2 guard match ups especially if the team's scheme is to have 2's and 3's do a lot of switching. He would actually work really well next to Murray for a couple of years, or another player who is capable of handling the ball a decent amount. The LeBron experience was eh, partially because of the whole half season team on the fly thing and partially because LeBron had become fairly ball dominant since about 2014. Much like a late career Kobe where you really looked at any given possession you said sure Bryant can have that shot. You look at any given possession with LeB on and having him prob seems fine, but it is very disruptive for many other players to essentially be a spectator on 60 to 70%of possessions.

[BackHome]

With the injuries we had in the past I am glad we have have depth now. As far as next year if they all stay healthy most minutes will go to in this order White, Murray, Forbes , Mills, Walker. I think Mill will get 10 mpg, Forbes 15mpg , and I think Walker will still be in G League but get called up a lot more.

[exstatic]

The only problem with playing Murray with White is that you get lots of Mills and Forbes playing together, which is a big no no for us.

Next year, which is what we are talking about, it will be Forbes and Lonnie.

[John B]

Next year, which is what we are talking about, it will be Forbes and Lonnie.
Murray better be shooting 1000 3’s a day tbh, because Demar and LMA offense is possible only because they’re surrounded by deadly 3pt shooters.

[wildbill2u]

I like the potential of going small with Lonnie, Murray, and White playing with DD and LMA> I think they would cause chaos for other teams and be a great fast break team. (Asssuming of course that Walker develops as hoped and Murray returns physically able to play as well as he did.)

Might be fun to watch if Pop would try it.

[DAF86]

Yeah, Murray's fit next to Aldridge and DeRozan is the biggest elephant in the room for next season.

Murray doesn't need to be a 40% 3pt shooter. Shooting 36% while not fucking up the offense by passing up wide open shots or fucking up the spacing by staying near the basket instead of the 3pt line is good enough.

[J_Paco]

I agree. I'm just wondering which one is off the bench.

I think Walker next season then it'll be a toss up between he and White. Either way the Spurs could have an elite 6th man by next season or the following...

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, Murray's fit next to Aldridge and DeRozan is the biggest elephant in the room for next season.

Murray doesn't need to be a 40% 3pt shooter. Shooting 36% while not fucking up the offense by passing up wide open shots or fucking up the spacing by staying near the basket instead of the 3pt line is good enough.

That doesn't sound like Murray at all, tbh. He's going to pass on open 3's, especially early in the shot clock. He could shot 36-38% from three, but he might shoot 29-31% from three, too. He's gonna try to get in the lane and if he has to shoot, he's gonna try to get within 17 feet. Spurs offense will have to be different when he's in the game; that's simple reality.

[Fusternino]

That doesn't sound like Murray at all, tbh. He's going to pass on open 3's, especially early in the shot clock. He could shot 36-38% from three, but he might shoot 29-31% from three, too. He's gonna try to get in the lane and if he has to shoot, he's gonna try to get within 17 feet. Spurs offense will have to be different when he's in the game; that's simple reality.

This combined with his injury makes me think it's best if Murray comes off the bench next season, tbh.

[Chris]

George hill was always a poor mans version of George hill.

:lol

[Ice009]

He's nothing like George hill tbh. He's a better ball handler and by far has better court vision. His offensive game is also nothing like hill bc he likes to shoot fade aways and has a midrange game. He's also a better defender tbh. George Hill was awful on the Spurs. I'm probably the only one here who hated Hill. Just another Roger Mason Jr to me. He CHOKES in every big playoff game he's ever been in. Ask LeBron how much he enjoyed watching Hill shoot those free throws. I still havent forgiven him for airballing the game winner against Memphis. A miss is one thing but to AIRBALL a wide open 3! Man was I happy when we traded his bum ass.

Wow. I thought I was one of the only people on the planet that felt that way about Hill. I still have a soft spot for him as I liked him as a person, but I didn't flinch when he was traded. That air-balled 3 that could have ended up helping the Spurs get to game 7 and win the series still pisses me off. Basically, it was a fore-showing of him being a choking player in big games down the stretch.

[DaBears]

:lol:tu

[DaBears]

Thinking that Derrick White has just as good or better ceiling than GHILL... You knew what George Hill's ceiling was when he left SA, I bet you we retain White for a longer tenure.

[ceperez]

Thinking that Derrick White has just as good or better ceiling than GHILL... You knew what George Hill's ceiling was when he left SA, I bet you we retain White for a longer tenure.

To be fair, George's Hill ceiling was a trade for Leonard and Bertans. Can't get better that that!

[kaji157]

I disagree, DeJounte Murray seems like a much more similar player than Derrick White.

George Hill skillset was.

Defend bigger players = Murray
Penetrate and Score= Murray
Shooting 3= To be seen

Derrick White is aleready a better playmaker and seems like a player that moves well without the ball. Doesn´t seem suited to defend bigger guys on a consistent basis.

[TDMVPDPOY]

like i said, dunno what the hype with murray, his more a draft busts then say compared to hill, white, cojo....

[XDT76]

I like the potential of going small with Lonnie, Murray, and White playing with DD and LMA> I think they would cause chaos for other teams and be a great fast break team. (Asssuming of course that Walker develops as hoped and Murray returns physically able to play as well as he did.)

Might be fun to watch if Pop would try it.

Given how poor we are now in defending against Off. rebound, playing this lineup will kill us when the other team just shoot threes and grab rebounds when they miss and try again.

[XDT76]

Thinking that Derrick White has just as good or better ceiling than GHILL... You knew what George Hill's ceiling was when he left SA, I bet you we retain White for a longer tenure.

If White continues to develop and is given a chance to stagger with DDR and be a main playmaker, he will be much better overall than hill. White'e overall skills are better.

[Spurtacular]

This jinx thread needed to be done. Your welcome, ST.