Game Thread: Spurs vs Celtics — Mon. (12/31) - 6:00/C (2:00am Riga Time)

[Robz4000]

:lmao this unit

[Spurs da champs]

:lmao

[MoSpur02]

Wish more guys on the team would rebound like Cunningham.

Poeltl's passing is a thing of beauty.

[bklynspursfan]

Don't reward that bullshit

[tim_duncan_fan]

What should we do with Walker?

Fuck. I forgot about him.

I dunno.

If he is as good as Derrick is right now, he can be a bench scorer.

[Keepin' it real]

I can't see too good... is that Bill Laimbeer out there with the elbow?

[TimmyBuckets]

Party Thrills!

[bklynspursfan]

If Patty plays more than 2 minutes in the 4th and it isn't a blowout, Spurs will lose this game tbh

At least he's hitting his 3s now. That always helps

[MoSpur02]

How is that not a travel?

[MoSpur02]

Patty Miller time!

[Keepin' it real]

Lol you can hear Bill Schoenig's play-by-play in the background. That doesn't happen everyday.

[Spurtacular]

Celts took a big step back this season.

[TimmyBuckets]

Lol you can hear Bill Schoenig's play-by-play in the background. That doesn't happen everyday.

Gotta love Bill

[Mugen]

At least he's hitting his 3s now. That always helps

Yeah he basically needs to hit all of them with the amount he's been giving up to Rozier

[MoSpur02]

Celts took a big step back this season.

Agreed. I'm sure they regret not offering more for Kawhi.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Forbes back in before white, hilarious

[TimmyBuckets]

LMA! WITH FEROCITTY!

[Leetonidas]

Bonner is giving me ear cancer

[MoSpur02]

Aldridge should have way more games like tonight

[TheGreatYacht]

Lead was getting too big, Spurs were scoring too much. Get in there Cun :pop:

[bklynspursfan]

Yeah he basically needs to hit all of them with the amount he's been giving up to Rozier

Pretty much

[bklynspursfan]

Oh what the fuck kind of call was that

[MoSpur02]

Irving down! What's the foul????

[skin27]

Aldridge should play like this everygame

[808]

Derrick tweak something?

[MoSpur02]

Frkn YMCA refs

[Emperor]

theyre playing style is totally different..lol

Green was one our main defenders but was limited offensively, mainly just a spot up of shooter, White has shown great defensive skills but also quite versatile offensively, can hit the spot up 3 and also attack the rim and create fouls.

[bklynspursfan]

Every game we go thru a stretch where the refs try to fuck with us smh

[Keepin' it real]

Spurs going WWE!

[TDomination]

That was the latest whistle I've ever heard

[TimmyBuckets]

Refs will not let us win. Bitches.

[slick'81]

10 point lead lets get it sons

[TDomination]

Bertans!

[timtonymanu]

NBA refs are truly a special kind of stupid

[bklynspursfan]

Great D by DeRozan..

Pop got that call too, ref wasn't trying to call it lol

[phxspurfan]

ref time

[TimmyBuckets]

REFS!

[Spurtacular]

If Irving gonna play like Flop Wade, I'm gonna have to stop rooting for the guy.

[bklynspursfan]

Come on man. Weak.

[TDomination]

Omg seriously

I hate crying about refs but give me a break man

[szkorhetz]

:hungry:

[007nites]

Bertans has been laser sharp from the corner. Ball barely even touching net.

[FaM0us Skins]

Let's milk the clock

[bklynspursfan]

Davis got hot in a hurry. DD up to 9 assists now

[TDomination]

Big big shots by bertans.

[FaM0us Skins]

Bertans is unstoppable

[MoSpur02]

Bertans is fire man. Hope he keeps this up all season and post season.

[TimmyBuckets]

Anyone who says this was a fairly called game is delusional. Refs are fucking us.

[objective]

Shame about White spraining his ankle or whatever it was

[Spurtacular]

Was watching the game on Reddit, cos I didn't realize the game was on NBA TV til just now. I thought these NBA TV announcers were Celtics announcers for this whole time. :lol

[MoSpur02]

10 dimes for Derozan

[TimmyBuckets]

Was watching the game on Reddit, cos I didn't realize the game was on NBA TV til just now. I thought these NBA TV announcers were Celtics announcers for this whole time. :lol

Seriously.

[bklynspursfan]

DeRozan 3 boards away from a triple double. Doubt he gets it, but he's done a nice job finding shooters, and our shooters are knocking them down this half. Just please save some for nephew.

[Mugen]

If they hang onto win this, not sure who should get player of the game, DWhite or Gordon Hayward tbh

[007nites]

DeRozan 3 boards away from a triple double. Doubt he gets it, but he's done a nice job finding shooters, and our shooters are knocking them down this half. Just please save some for nephew.

Pop will take him out once he gets to 9. Just so he can get over himself.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Love it when DDR takes on the facilitator role and doesn't force his offense. The O is just so much better when he is creating for others

[Blackhaus]

White hurt?

[skin27]

Hopefully demar can have good scoring night against the raptors..

[Robz4000]

DeRozan 3 boards away from a triple double. Doubt he gets it, but he's done a nice job finding shooters, and our shooters are knocking them down this half. Just please save some for nephew.

Need to win this game first.

[Ron Swanson]

Was that Hurley from Lost?

[DAF86]

Bertans and White. My two Boys growing up in front my eyes :cry

[bklynspursfan]

Need to win this game first.

I know you're usually paranoid, but this December Spurs team hasn't been a team that chokes away leads.

[CitizenDwayne]

Spurs look good, but fuck me what a poorly officiated game

[TimmyBuckets]

:lol LMA's look when B3rtans drained it.

[007nites]

Bertans shooting 30 footers

[MoSpur02]

Irving with the Ginobili like game as far as drawing fouls. Now I know how opposing teams fans felt about Manu.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Davis Kerr is giving them the business.

[808]

White definitely isn’t moving as fluidly as the first half

[MoSpur02]

Strong move by DeMar. He needs to do more of that.

[TimmyBuckets]

Derozan is lowkey powerful

[bklynspursfan]

Could've been an and 1 for DeRozan, but of course. Refs gonna ref

[Blackhaus]

So white got jet but still playing, anybody?

[Blackhaus]

*hurt

[objective]

White with one foot > Mills with two feet

[007nites]

She called him Burr-Tins lol

[808]

White with one foot > Mills with two feet

Truth

[808]

Good win. Happy New Years spur fam

[MoSpur02]

White and Aldridge are the game's MVPs. Bertans is second.

[objective]

Hopefully it was White's ankle and not a flare up of his plantar fascia injury

[TXstbobcat]

Nice win!!! :flag:

[Slippy]

Top win . Happy new year

[$pursDynasty]

We ready for that nephew

[ralph nyc]

easy work! yall doubted them vs boston!

[Mugen]

Man, imagine if the team could flip Pau for a wing.

Great effort from Demar, LMA, loser ass Bryn, and most importantly DWhite Power tonight tbh

[skin27]

Victory folks!!!!:flag:

[slick'81]

We ready for that nephew

i hope we beat the fck outta the barneys

[emanueldavidginobili]

If it’s whites heel then this team is cursed this season. He was just starting to find his groove.

[spurs10]

Victory!!

[$pursDynasty]

I think the nephew no shows, he wants NO part of this

[TheGreatYacht]

Leastern Conference :lol

Kawhi vs Warriors will be a treat to watch.

[MoSpur02]

Strong move by DeMar. He needs to do more of that.

[TimmyBuckets]

White was 8/9 and B3rtans was 6/12 and 5/8 from 3!

[MoSpur02]

Good win by the good guys in white.

[Mugen]

Derrick looked fine, but i wouldnt be surprised if the crack medical staff holds him out of next game tbh

[BillMc]

Victory!!!:flag:

[MoSpur02]

Good looking out by Pop playing Gasol only 5 minutes and Mills 19 minutes. I'd like for Mills to play around 15, but I'm not going to be picky. Yet.

[ducks]

White shut down leanoard

[bklynspursfan]

1079923575648280576

[GreekSpursfan]

Happy new year Spurs fans. In Pop i trust. West is wide open and i like our chances.

[TDomination]

Seriously though great great win!!! Now let's beat the raptors!

[bklynspursfan]

Derrick looked fine, but i wouldnt be surprised if the crack medical staff holds him out of next game tbh

With 2 days off and nephew coming up next? That's the perfect time to play everyone, healthy or not. Send a message lol

[ducks]

Davis got hot in a hurry. DD up to 9 assists now
7 rebounds 2 steals

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs medical staff will probably have Derrick playing with a torn Achilles next game smh

[MoSpur02]

The Killer Threes team of Bertans, Bryn, and Belinelli were 50% 9-18 from 3pt land.

[TDomination]

Wow highest quarter point wise for the spurs since 1993 with the 46 pts in the 3rd. Nice!

[ATC_VOL]

Fun second half.

[Mr. Body]

Damn, Spurs wrecked them in the second half of the third quarter.

[TDomination]

White will be fine. Cant wait to see him against the raps

[Seventyniner]

Damn, Spurs wrecked them in the second half of the third quarter.

I had to step away with the Spurs down 65-60. I came back and it was 74-67 Spurs and I thought "damn, what did I miss?" I kept watching and got to see for myself. :hat

[phxspurfan]

Kevin McHale had it right after watching the game. Pop is doing something no one has ever done with DeRozan. He's saying fuck it, you're not good at the 3 / you don't want to shoot 3s. Fine, we won't force you to shoot them. You and LMA do you, and we'll just have our shooters shoot 3s. Just play the LeBron role and distribute. It's working so far.

[Mr. Body]

Kevin McHale had it right after watching the game. Pop is doing something no one has ever done with DeRozan. He's saying fuck it, you're not good at the 3 / you don't want to shoot 3s. Fine, we won't force you to shoot them. You and LMA do you, and we'll just have our shooters shoot 3s. Just play the LeBron role and distribute. It's working so far.

Shooting midrange works when you're really good at the midrange. What really makes it work is having plus-plus shooters all around them.

[Mugen]

I pray to god that Pop sees that we can't play 3 centers in today's NBA and they try to move Pau + the Raps 1st for a wing that can help the team. Whatever you need to trade for Otto Porter, you do it.

[DAF86]

Fuck yeah sons, we're still good after all these years. Happy new year to everyone fuckersss!!!!

[DAF86]

If you haven't noticed, I'm already drunk.

[Mugen]

If you haven't noticed, I'm already drunk.

Happy new year you Argentinean fuck

[offset formation]

Pop will take him out once he gets to 9. Just so he can get over himself.

What is it with you people?

[ducks]

Wow highest quarter point wise for the spurs since 1993 with the 46 pts in the 3rd. Nice!

[DAF86]

Happy new year you Argentinean fuck

Happy new year to you too, fuckerrrr :toast

[TimmyBuckets]

Fuck yeah sons, we're still good after all these years. Happy new year to everyone fuckersss!!!!

[Robz4000]

I know you're usually paranoid, but this December Spurs team hasn't been a team that chokes away leads.

Bulls game says otherwise tbh.

Great win regardless. Now beat the shit out of Nephew on Wednesday pls.

[TDomination]

White will be fine. Cant wait to see him against the raps

[objective]

I pray to god that Pop sees that we can't play 3 centers in today's NBA and they try to move Pau + the Raps 1st for a wing that can help the team. Whatever you need to trade for Otto Porter, you do it.

Sadly, the only way to match salaries for Porter is to pair Mills with Gasol.

So .... Good luck with that

[SpurPadre]

Still not liking the defense lately though. A 46 point quarter and we still only win by 9? Really hope White and Gay are able to play in our game of the season against Satan on Thursday.

[SpurPadre]

Sadly, the only way to match salaries for Porter is to pair Mills with Gasol.

So .... Good luck with that

That could still get it done if we threw in a first round pick.

[bklynspursfan]

Bulls game says otherwise tbh.

Great win regardless. Now beat the shit out of Nephew on Wednesday pls.

That was Pop doing Boylen a favor lol overall this month, we have been the leagues best team by several statistical measures.

But yes. Beat nephew at all costs :ihit

[Mr. Body]

Still not liking the defense lately though. A 46 point quarter and we still only win by 9? Really hope White and Gay are able to play in our game of the season against Satan on Thursday.

They also had, what, a 17 point quarter?

[John B]

White is special tbh. I won’t be surprised Pops start drawing plays for him with his length. Already he’s having him push transition offense as soon as he rebounds the ball, reminiscent of the nephew

[SpurPadre]

They also had, what, a 17 point quarter?

That doesn't change my point about the defense.

[FkLA]

Isn't Porter like on a $100 million contract? Fuck that. He's not even that good.

[$pursDynasty]

Sadly, the only way to match salaries for Porter is to pair Mills with Gasol.

So .... Good luck with that
from your lips to God's ears

[$pursDynasty]

I would be happy to be rid of Pau and Patty

[FkLA]

White is special tbh. I won’t be surprised Pops start drawing plays for him with his length. Already he’s having him push transition offense as soon as he rebounds the ball, reminiscent of the nephew

Bruh he pumped me up so much during that 3rd Qtr. Straight up made Irving his son. All-NBA defender + smooth, versatile offensive player. I love this dude!

[Nivek_ogre]

Bunch of fucking pussies. After a great win all you can do is bitch about mills and gasol.

[Degoat]

I really wish we’d make a move for a SF but I really doubt it happens. Only way is if somebody gets bought out on another team but I Doubt Pop would bring in somebody new and play him over the rest of the guys anyways lol

[objective]

Isn't Porter like on a $100 million contract? Fuck that. He's not even that good.

He does have a bad contract, and you're right, he isn't that good. He's also hurt.

But his contract isn't long. 27.2 in 19-20 and 28.5 in 20-21 and that's it. He perfectly aligns with the LMA-DeRozan contracts.

He might be one of the few gettable small forwards. He's not a defensive stopper, but on a team with Murray and White taking on scoring guards he wouldn't have to be Kawhi on defense. He's a very good spot up three point shooter.

It's hard to envision the Spurs being contenders with LMA-DDR as long as they don't have a legit SF sized player. Maybe they get one in the draft, but it could be awhile until that player is ready as most good SF prospects in the draft are 1-and-done or sophomores and not mature, ready to contribute players like White, Hill, Splitter.

[jmard5]

Kevin McHale had it right after watching the game. Pop is doing something no one has ever done with DeRozan. He's saying fuck it, you're not good at the 3 / you don't want to shoot 3s. Fine, we won't force you to shoot them. You and LMA do you, and we'll just have our shooters shoot 3s. Just play the LeBron role and distribute. It's working so far.

Good call!

[objective]

One thing White has done is turn a lot of people's attention from 'who to tank for in the draft' to 'who to trade for to improve'

[offset formation]

Bunch of fucking pussies. After a great win all you can do is bitch about mills and gasol.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Great win :bobo. On to Thursday as the Spurs get to reunite with the autistic mute

[offset formation]

One thing White has done is turn a lot of people's attention from 'who to tank for in the draft' to 'who to trade for to improve'


Unlike most posters (Chinook was high on him early too), I was high on White long before it was popular.

I posted during the summer, before the season, that it was my belief White would be a primary contributor and one of our differene makers by the end of the season. I was wrong. He did it before the halfway point.

[kaji157]

Great win :bobo. On to Thursday as the Spurs get to reunite with the autistic mute
All the arena should have signs with the legend "Dear Nephew, welcome back!"

[spurs10]

Bunch of fucking pussies. After a great win all you can do is bitch about mills and gasol. Hear, hear!

[TimmyBuckets]

Bunch of fucking pussies. After a great win all you can do is bitch about mills and gasol.

:bobo

[TE]

Great win

[8sy21vd]

Great win! Lamarcus playing at last year's level. White and Bertrans getting better all the time. A little concerned about DeMar's offense; looks a bit disjointed perhaps because Lamarcus is taking the lead again but would like to see him attack the rim far more (like Harden). Love his playmaking ability though...

[anon]

Too much going on here to watch it live, just boxscoring for the moment. A 46 point quarter is hecking impressive and mighty humiliating for Boston. I'll catch the replay later.

[John B]

I really wish we’d make a move for a SF but I really doubt it happens. Only way is if somebody gets bought out on another team but I Doubt Pop would bring in somebody new and play him over the rest of the guys anyways lol
tbh it’s anybody in the West and Spurs have a shot if everything goes their way, everybody healthy, the planets aligned, etc. It’s wise to go all the way and take a shot at it. But I doubt Pops does it. He’s not impulsive and believes in long grind, pounding the rock shit lol :lol especially when Murray is coming next year, potential of Walker and Poeltl, etc. I’ve given up hope we bring new mid in the season.

[Mr. Body]

Isn't Porter like on a $100 million contract? Fuck that. He's not even that good.

Dude, he's better than Jordan around here.

[$pursDynasty]

Wonder if we could trade for Heat's Josh Richardson. Great on defense SF, just what we need. They need a pg, Patty and maybe tanking for the rebuild .

[phxspurfan]

LOL BSPN just ran a hit segment on how Beli intentionally took Kyrie out of the game after he flopped

[Arthur B Ablabav]

It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time.

[Mr. Body]

It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time.

A huge part is the injury, obviously. But Stevens is running an iso-heavy offense. Hayward is a great complementary player and it's hard to complement when you're just standing there.

[ducks]

ISO ball will not work will with the talent they have in playoffs

Gs is going towards it more and struggling more this year

[spurs10]

It's incredible to see how much of a non factor Hayward is. You forget he is even on the court or that he was good at one time. His shooting kept us in the game. I doubt he has much of a relationship with many on the team. They will get rid of him asap and I bet Irving has brought that up before.

[spurs10]

A huge part is the injury, obviously. But Stevens is running an iso-heavy offense. Hayward is a great complementary player and it's hard to complement when you're just standing there. Yes the injury was very serious. He doesn't look like he's hurting. I think it's a chemistry thing.

[XDT76]

Isn't Porter like on a $100 million contract? Fuck that. He's not even that good.

Personally, I prefer Covington or Green.

[tbdog]

Paul George returned far better than Hayward. Hayward looks slow out there. Maybe his rehab didn't go as well. Even Gay looked better.

[Degoat]

I know it’s old news and I’m actually happy we got Derozan, Jakob, and a pick but it’s crazy that a team like the Celtics wouldn’t offer some of there young players for kawhi

[RC_Drunkford]

DeRozan was John Stockton out there in the 2nd half. In the first half the defense swarmed him and he couldn't get a good shot. Pop probably told him collapse the D and kick out. Game changer

[RC_Drunkford]

Personally, I prefer Covington or Green.

Kent Bazemore

[Mr. Body]

Yes the injury was very serious. He doesn't look like he's hurting. I think it's a chemistry thing.

It takes a while to trust your body again and stop thinking about getting hurt again. He's probably still in that stage.

[JPB]

It takes a while to trust your body again and stop thinking about getting hurt again. He's probably still in that stage.

Always takes as much time (a season) you were away to (maybe) get back close to your former self.

[TheGoatishere]

Wonder if we could trade for Heat's Josh Richardson. Great on defense SF, just what we need. They need a pg, Patty and maybe tanking for the rebuild .

Hell no :lol they didn’t even really wannna trade Richardson for butler

[Spurs da champs]

Hell no :lol they didn’t even really wannna trade Richardson for butler

We already have White who can do what Richardson does for a whole lot cheaper. Also Richardson ain't a SF anyway.

[Spurs Nation]

This could be a very interesting year.

[ducks]

Jordan Howenstine
@AirlessJordan
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5h
DeMar DeRozan now has two outings with 10+ assists in 38 games this season.

He had three outings with 10+ assists in 675 games before getting to San Antonio

[Fireball]

great win ... White was awesome before he tweaked his ankle ... hope Gasol stays out though

[r0drig0lac]

best win of the year

[cjw]

He does have a bad contract, and you're right, he isn't that good. He's also hurt.

But his contract isn't long. 27.2 in 19-20 and 28.5 in 20-21 and that's it. He perfectly aligns with the LMA-DeRozan contracts.

He might be one of the few gettable small forwards. He's not a defensive stopper, but on a team with Murray and White taking on scoring guards he wouldn't have to be Kawhi on defense. He's a very good spot up three point shooter.

It's hard to envision the Spurs being contenders with LMA-DDR as long as they don't have a legit SF sized player. Maybe they get one in the draft, but it could be awhile until that player is ready as most good SF prospects in the draft are 1-and-done or sophomores and not mature, ready to contribute players like White, Hill, Splitter.

Agreed that Porter is one of the few viable SF out there, but that contract is untenable for the Spurs:

1.) Any trade would almost certainly have to shed salary instead of add it, as Spurs are only $1.1 million above the luxury tax. They could decide to pay the tax, but that impacts willingness to do so in future years because of repeater penalty.

2.) Hard cap exists because they signed Beli to the MLE. Probably doesn’t come into play here, but the maximum the payroll can increase is $7.1 million.

3.) Only trade that really works is Gasol + Mills, as salaries match and anything more would decimate the depth. Porter’s salary means I wouldn’t include any picks. But Washington wouldn’t do that deal unless it can get a third team involved to try cutting its luxury tax for this year, as they’re not competing. Finding a team to dump $6 million onto is easier said than done.

[james evans]

DeRozan 3 boards away from a triple double. Doubt he gets it, but he's done a nice job finding shooters, and our shooters are knocking them down this half. Just please save some for nephew.
We don’t stat pad. We leave that to the losers in OKC

[objective]

Agreed that Porter is one of the few viable SF out there, but that contract is untenable for the Spurs:

1.) Any trade would almost certainly have to shed salary instead of add it, as Spurs are only $1.1 million above the luxury tax. They could decide to pay the tax, but that impacts willingness to do so in future years because of repeater penalty.

2.) Hard cap exists because they signed Beli to the MLE. Probably doesn’t come into play here, but the maximum the payroll can increase is $7.1 million.

3.) Only trade that really works is Gasol + Mills, as salaries match and anything more would decimate the depth. Porter’s salary means I wouldn’t include any picks. But Washington wouldn’t do that deal unless it can get a third team involved to try cutting its luxury tax for this year, as they’re not competing. Finding a team to dump $6 million onto is easier said than done.

It's true that really only Gasol+Mills+picks/rights works, though it'd actually save the Spurs money. I suppose Washington could add Jeff Green and close the gap, but it still saves the Spurs money. It's not likely at all considering Washington paid cash to get off of Jason Smith and the Spurs have no more cash to give this season.

But I think I might not mind adding the Toronto first and the rights to Milutinov. I love Milutinov, but his future with the Spurs looks shaky considering Poeltl and LMA are around the next two years or so. Wizards are a year away at most from being without a center past Thomas Bryant. And with Mills they have a player to fill in for Wall who has this great reputation in the locker room, something they might want. And he won't hurt the tank.

I suppose what intrigues me most about this fantasy deal is that the Spurs would be trading two non-starters with big weaknesses for a legit starter, with legit size for his position, who is not a minus defender, and with no glaring weaknesses. Going from two bench guys to that would make a tremendous difference I think.

And it wouldn't put them in too much tax trouble, though they'd be skating close. While they would lose the ability to stretch waive Pau's last season, there wouldn't be much cause to use the MLE either. They'd have starters and backups at every position, and they could still pay Gay in line with what he's making now. They'd have a draft pick and minimums to sign, no Milutinov to sign at all

Aldridge-Gay-Porter-DeRozan-Murray
Poeltl-Bertans-Marco-Forbes-White
Walker-Metu-2019_1st-minimum-minimum

If you got Gay on a 2-22 deal, which is still a small bump and respectable, they still slide under the tax with 15 spots filled by maybe $2 million.

It's all just pointless fun and games fantasy, but Porter as a competent defender with a crunch time lineup of Murray and White? And as a good shooter just entering his prime?

It's probably a lot better than stretch-waiving Pau to free up money for the MLE and pray it's enough to get Stanley Johnson. And in that sort of scenario, they still don't have the money to sign Milutinov anyway.

[Mugen]

Damn forgot about Militinov tbh. Agreed it's a pipe dream because Pop would never trade away Patty but that team has a Finals ceiling next season if everything falls in line, crazy to think about considering the state of the squad just a month ago.

[ceperez]

Damn forgot about Militinov tbh. Agreed it's a pipe dream because Pop would never trade away Patty but that team has a Finals ceiling next season if everything falls in line, crazy to think about considering the state of the squad just a month ago.

The Multinov draft seems like a bust, Hernangomez and Osman were certainly better. Poetl is more athletic and just better.

I would trade the rights the Multinov and go as far as trading Murray (and pray that Walker can improve his shooting percentage).

Unfortunate for Murray is he got injured, so his trade value has likely declined until he can show he can deliver (next year).

So Spurs have Metu also in development and likely incoming 2 first round picks for next year and a 2nd round pick.

[Dverde]

Good win especially with the awful refs. WTF up with these refs. What happened to the home cooking stuff? You should have to earn the road wins, not have the refs give you ton more calls.

[objective]

The Multinov draft seems like a bust, Hernangomez and Osman were certainly better. Poetl is more athletic and just better.

I would trade the rights the Multinov and go as far as trading Murray (and pray that Walker can improve his shooting percentage).

Unfortunate for Murray is he got injured, so his trade value has likely declined until he can show he can deliver (next year).

So Spurs have Metu also in development and likely incoming 2 first round picks for next year and a 2nd round pick.

Milutinov is arguably the best center in Europe, at least in the conversation. There's a reason why he's been player of the week twice in the Euroleague this year.

I wouldn't even say Poeltl is clearly better. If anything Milutinov is a more dangerous pnr threat, though maybe, just maybe, a worse rim protector.

But with or without a trade for a SF, he's not being signed this summer. They won't have the money or exception room or even roster space depending on whatever route they take,

[objective]

Damn forgot about Militinov tbh. Agreed it's a pipe dream because Pop would never trade away Patty but that team has a Finals ceiling next season if everything falls in line, crazy to think about considering the state of the squad just a month ago.

It's still all fantasy, but Sacramento could be the third team to give the Wizards extra salary relief because they still have room under the cap.

Pau + Raptors 1st to SAC, Mills + Milutinov to WAS, and Porter to SA, Koufos to WAS, plus conditional seconds or scrub rights as needed to satisfy trade minutiae ...

Wizards save big time this year, about 6 million, I think enough to get them out of the tax. And Koufos is expiring. Sacramento picks up a first round pick for only taking on 6.7 million next year that they can stretch waive into a small call hit if they want, and Pau could even help them be a better team this year.

It's a semi pleasant dream

[Nivek_ogre]

I can't understand people who complain about mills contract but want porters contract.

[cjw]

I can't understand people who complain about mills contract but want porters contract.

I don’t know why people are falling over themselves to give up two assets for his contract. It’s not a positive value contract.

Not to mention Porter has been very average this year.

[slick'81]

I don’t know why people are falling over themselves to give up two assets for his contract. It’s not a positive value contract.

Not to mention Porter has been very average this year.

desperate for a sf

[koriwhat]

fun game last night that seemed to rush by fast. i got to my row12 seat at the beginning of the 2nd qtr. didn't realize the game was at 6pm yesterday. either way it was a blast but it seemed lackluster in the stadium for such a game as this one was.

[playbonner15]

Good win especially with the awful refs. WTF up with these refs. What happened to the home cooking stuff? You should have to earn the road wins, not have the refs give you ton more calls.
Refs are blatantly trash this season

[objective]

I can't understand people who complain about mills contract but want porters contract.


I don’t know why people are falling over themselves to give up two assets for his contract. It’s not a positive value contract.

Not to mention Porter has been very average this year.


desperate for a sf

Slick gets it

Yes, Mills is bad and his contract is bad. Pau also has a bad contract.

But Porter is good. Overpaid? Hell yes. But at least he's good. He's a legit starter. It's taking the same money spent on two guys who won't start or finish playoff games with one guy who can do both.

And besides that, the current Spurs cap and tax situation makes it almost impossible to improve other than hoping the draft picks hit and hit immediately (the tank crowd understands this).

If the Spurs keep Gasol for next year and don't stretch him, they can keep Rudy Gay and that's about it. No MLE without going into the tax, no Milutinov anyway.

If they do stretch waive Gasol and keep Rudy Gay, they can spend the MLE on a small forward sized player on a market where lots of teams have much more cap room than the Spurs. Spurs might even strike out, or overpay someone who turns out to not be starting or finishing quality as it is. But still probably no Milutinov because he would have nowhere to play in the lineup.

If they stretch waive Gasol and lose Gay in free agency, they only have the money to try and replace Gay. But then no money for another small forward.

The assets burned in my play-trade are the price to pay for turning what is now 25% of the cap in the forms of Mills and Gasol who can't play for 25% of the cap in one guy, Porter, who can play (allegedly).

The alternatives just aren't good. The Spurs either end up keeping the same bad 25% or something close to it.

And the tanking hopes are pretty low if White just continues to play like he has and LMA doesn't revert to early season LMA and every important player stays relatively healthy. They are either making the playoffs or just missing in a draft that isn't full of NBA ready small forwards in picks 11-20. DeAndre Hunter might be the closest and he's likely not ready as a rookie under Pop and that's if he even falls to the Spurs.

The way I see it, getting the most out of Pop's final years, should he stick around past this one, is to get a legit player to match years with LMA and DDR. Porter's not an all-star, but he is capable of being a 30 mpg in the playoffs player. I'd take that over 30 combined minutes of Mills and Gasol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Refs are blatantly trash this season

Refs have been blatantly trash since 2002.

[Nivek_ogre]

Otto porter will be making 28 million dollars in two years. And also has a 15% trade bonus. Fuck that shit. Rather roll out a 6ft 5 lonnie walker at sf than pay that salary

[objective]

Porter's trade bonus isn't that big a deal:

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/7/11/15947446/otto-porter-trade-kicker-washington-wizards-nba-free-agency

Basically, it's the Wizards who would have to pay it, and it would only increase his salary this season by about 750k because he's so close to his absolute max and the kicker can't take him past that

[kaji157]

It's true that really only Gasol+Mills+picks/rights works, though it'd actually save the Spurs money. I suppose Washington could add Jeff Green and close the gap, but it still saves the Spurs money. It's not likely at all considering Washington paid cash to get off of Jason Smith and the Spurs have no more cash to give this season.

But I think I might not mind adding the Toronto first and the rights to Milutinov. I love Milutinov, but his future with the Spurs looks shaky considering Poeltl and LMA are around the next two years or so. Wizards are a year away at most from being without a center past Thomas Bryant. And with Mills they have a player to fill in for Wall who has this great reputation in the locker room, something they might want. And he won't hurt the tank.

I suppose what intrigues me most about this fantasy deal is that the Spurs would be trading two non-starters with big weaknesses for a legit starter, with legit size for his position, who is not a minus defender, and with no glaring weaknesses. Going from two bench guys to that would make a tremendous difference I think.

And it wouldn't put them in too much tax trouble, though they'd be skating close. While they would lose the ability to stretch waive Pau's last season, there wouldn't be much cause to use the MLE either. They'd have starters and backups at every position, and they could still pay Gay in line with what he's making now. They'd have a draft pick and minimums to sign, no Milutinov to sign at all

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If you got Gay on a 2-22 deal, which is still a small bump and respectable, they still slide under the tax with 15 spots filled by maybe $2 million.

It's all just pointless fun and games fantasy, but Porter as a competent defender with a crunch time lineup of Murray and White? And as a good shooter just entering his prime?

It's probably a lot better than stretch-waiving Pau to free up money for the MLE and pray it's enough to get Stanley Johnson. And in that sort of scenario, they still don't have the money to sign Milutinov anyway.

As you said, this trade would be too good for us, most likely won´t happen.

[r0drig0lac]

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