On a Scale from 1 to 10, how much better is white than Mills at current form?

[apalisoc_9]

Hilarious.

Since they committed to White instead of Mills the turnaround has been rodiculous. :lol

Granted things like zone play, demar sacrificing shots, aldridge playing better also played a part but its just hard to deny how much better derrick white is.

1. Only slighlty better.

10. White should be playing 30mpg and Mills relegated to 15mpg

[SAGirl]

:toast White has been amazingly good. 10

[Pavlov]

OP was watching the Raptors game.

[FkLA]

17

[emanueldavidginobili]

Mills actually played really well tonight. If anything Marcos minutes should drop, he’s worse than Mills at this point

[Hillary Clinton]

MVPatty got us a ring.

[apalisoc_9]

Mills actually played really well tonight. If anything Marcos minutes should drop, he’s worse than Mills at this point

Exactly. Mills has played much better with this new role ( less minutes).

[DAF86]

It should have never been White or Mills. Mills should be competing for minutes with Forbes. White fills a role that no other player on the roster can.

[BackHome]

Mills finally had a good games as far as the turn around I would say everyone has gotten better Forbes, White, Bertans, Belli, Poodle, and team defense has greatly improved.

[SpursDynasty85]

Mills has been playing well and has only slightly decreased his role. Cunningham was the odd man out. Also, poorly worded question.

[Mr. Body]

It's almost like they play two different roles.

[ducks]

mills role is to let people score
white role is to score and to stop the other guy from scoring

[apalisoc_9]

It's almost like they play two different roles.

Their roles have changed since whites increased minutes.

[ducks]

no mills could never stop someone he just scored more sometimes
he is as short as your short dick

[MoSpur02]

OP was watching the Raptors game.

[TimmyBuckets]

Pointless thread is pointless.

[paperboy77]

Pointless thread is pointless.

Easy question. The real question is how much better is White than Murray? Better but both have a place on the team. The really hard one is what to do with Walker? Beli might be the odd man out.

[Nivek_ogre]

Who gives a fuck

[TimmyBuckets]

Easy question. The real question is how much better is White than Murray? Better but both have a place on the team. The really hard one is what to do with Walker? Beli might be the odd man out.

idk Walker skills and didn't know what White is was capable of until recently. White is better playmaker and shooter and way less raw than DJ, but DJ is a better defender. Walker will probably be on the bench even if he gets decent minutes next year. White will probably start b/c of his composure and playmaking. Walker will bring much needed athleticism to the bench. Beli's cutting and space creating is very useful, but replaceable.

[Down Under]

^White's defense is elite already & he's way more polished offensively. Dijon is still a more explosive athlete though so who knows his potential. At this point, he's going to have to play off the ball predominantly.

[Boomersgold]

Exactly. Mills has played much better with this new role ( less minutes).

He played 24 minutes tonight which is right on his season average and did pretty much the exact same thing he's been asked to do since he landed in SA (points off the bench)? How is this a 'new role'?

[skin27]

^White's defense is elite already & he's way more polished offensively. Dijon is still a more explosive athlete though so who knows his potential. At this point, he's going to have to play off the ball predominantly.

murray is going to be a liability in offense if he plays off ball..

[ceperez]

idk Walker skills and didn't know what White is was capable of until recently. White is better playmaker and shooter and way less raw than DJ, but DJ is a better defender. Walker will probably be on the bench even if he gets decent minutes next year. White will probably start b/c of his composure and playmaking. Walker will bring much needed athleticism to the bench. Beli's cutting and space creating is very useful, but replaceable.

Spurs got themselves three young guards with a lot of potential.

Right now, considering last 5 games, White is the most versatile and valuable of the 3.

So let's just compare the other two, Walker and Murray.

Walker has not proven anything. He looks good on paper, NBA body, lots of spring in his legs, excellent shooting form. He's got a lot of potential to get better and he's younger than Murray.

Murray doesn't have an NBA body but has a lot of length. He's a Rajon Rondo type player that can't shoot. This is a problem because the defense only has to work half as hard to defend against him.

It'll be a tough decision between Walker and Murray.

Don't forget, Spurs also have Forbes as another young players.

[ceperez]

murray is going to be a liability in offense if he plays off ball..

I agree, Murray cannot play off ball. Nobody is going to defend him at the 3 point line. He's a Rajon Rondo type player and maybe in the best case, he's a mid-range guy like DeRozan.

The way Spurs are structured now, mid-range guys are facilitators in offense (bulk of the assists) and the scrubs are 3 point shooters. It's got a unique kind of efficiency in it. This is despite Gay being in full form in last games.

[Dejounte]

Murray/ White
Lonnie/ Forbes

Tha future

[skin27]

Murray/ White
Lonnie/ Forbes

Tha future

walker still need to prove his worth

[picnroll]

There are 180 minutes at PG, SG, SF. Divide that by Murray, Walker, White, Derozan, Forbes, Gay. That’s 30 minutes per player. Add in the occasional injury and a little small ball time. Get a good 3 and D bench guy that can play some minutes. Add in the bigs and some fodder. There’s room for everyone until salaries start to impact and force decisions.

[TDMVPDPOY]

patty is given green light to chuck,

white isnt given that light, but he makes shots when spurs need a basket...

unlike mills who thinks every time he touches the ball he needs to put up a brick shot

[skin27]

There are 180 minutes at PG, SG, SF. Divide that by Murray, Walker, White, Derozan, Forbes, Gay. That’s 30 minutes per player. Add in the occasional injury and a little small ball time. Get a good 3 and D bench guy that can play some minutes. Add in the bigs and some fodder. There’s room for everyone until salaries start to impact and force decisions.

but people here wants a 3 and d sf who is a starter material not just a bench guy..lol


so the starting lineup should be like this

white or murray/derozan/3&D SF/ Gay/aldridge or white or Murray/derozan/ 3&D sf/aldridge/Poeltl if we go big..Gay can play off the bench.

that’s why its either white or Murray for the starting PG

[picnroll]

but people here wants a 3 and d sf who is a starter material not just a bench guy..lol


so the starting lineup should be like this

white or murray/derozan/3&D SF/ Gay/aldridge or white or Murray/derozan/ 3&D sf/aldridge/Poeltl if we go big..Gay can play off the bench.

that’s why its either white or Murray for the starting PG
Moving Gay to PF only opens up more minutes at SF position although I think Gay is more of a small ball PF. Three and D can be found in the off season, maybe not elite but adequate. Murray, White, Derozan and likely Walker are all capable of playing some SF. Ball handling and defensive switching abilities would be elite with those four. Given his preference Pop has never run an offense with a ball dominant PG but prefers the passing game. White and Derozan are there. Walker and Murray can be added to the mix given their other skills and development potential. Murray, White and Walker are on good value for money contracts for quite a while. One may be traded someday in a Hill/ Leonard scenario but that day is not near.

[skin27]

Moving Gay to PF only opens up more minutes at SF position although I think Gay is more of a small ball PF. Three and D can be found in the off season, maybe not elite but adequate. Murray, White, Derozan and likely Walker are all capable of playing some SF. Ball handling and defensive switching abilities would be elite with those four. Given his preference Pop has never run an offense with a ball dominant PG but prefers the passing game. White and Derozan are there. Walker and Murray can be added to the mix given their other skills and development potential. Murray, White and Walker are on good value for money contracts for quite a while. One may be traded someday in a Hill/ Leonard scenario but that day is not near.


if white continue to impress, murray could be traded someday.

[MaNu4Tres]

if white continue to impress, murray could be traded someday.

Both can play together for a long time because both can defend 3 positions. White will be the one guarding 2 guards, Dejounte will be defending PGs.

[ceperez]

Moving Gay to PF only opens up more minutes at SF position although I think Gay is more of a small ball PF. Three and D can be found in the off season, maybe not elite but adequate. Murray, White, Derozan and likely Walker are all capable of playing some SF. Ball handling and defensive switching abilities would be elite with those four. Given his preference Pop has never run an offense with a ball dominant PG but prefers the passing game. White and Derozan are there. Walker and Murray can be added to the mix given their other skills and development potential. Murray, White and Walker are on good value for money contracts for quite a while. One may be traded someday in a Hill/ Leonard scenario but that day is not near.

If PATFO has an Kawhi Leonard opportunity in 2019 draft, they should take it with a Murray trade. White is untradeable now (you can't teach his court vision) and Walker IV is a ton more athletic that Murray.

Spurs are likely going to be #4 by the end of this season and if they can get lucky to get two 1st round SF picks then that'll carry them far.

Spurs next year without Pau and Gay contracts have over $26m to play with. Surely Klay Thompson is available?

[picnroll]

Thompson’s having a not good year. Maybe a one off but not worth the risk of the LARGE contract it would take to get him to leave SF, particularly to come to SA imo.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If PATFO has an Kawhi Leonard opportunity in 2019 draft, they should take it with a Murray trade. White is untradeable now (you can't teach his court vision) and Walker IV is a ton more athletic that Murray.

Spurs are likely going to be #4 by the end of this season and if they can get lucky to get two 1st round SF picks then that'll carry them far.

Spurs next year without Pau and Gay contracts have over $26m to play with. Surely Klay Thompson is available?

Not even close. As things stand they have $101 mil guaranteed for 11 players for next season. Assuming no or marginal trades, adding a pick or two's cap holds and a projected $109 mil cap they'll only have the MLE and BAE.

[paperboy77]

I agree, Murray cannot play off ball. Nobody is going to defend him at the 3 point line. He's a Rajon Rondo type player and maybe in the best case, he's a mid-range guy like DeRozan.

The way Spurs are structured now, mid-range guys are facilitators in offense (bulk of the assists) and the scrubs are 3 point shooters. It's got a unique kind of efficiency in it. This is despite Gay being in full form in last games.

DJ is no where near the playmaker Rondo has been or has the handles. Only thing in common is that they are gamers and have good intangibles. DJ still has a long way to go. We were all exited about DJ due to Pop naming him the next PG AND the fact we thought we really didn’t anyone else. Lo and behold the season is underway and we now find out White is pretty damn good! Also Bryn is way overachieving I guess. Almost ready to say Bryn too is pretty dam good. DJ is going to have to either make great leaps or conform to a lesser role somehow.

[TimmyBuckets]

Moving Gay to PF only opens up more minutes at SF position although I think Gay is more of a small ball PF. Three and D can be found in the off season, maybe not elite but adequate. Murray, White, Derozan and likely Walker are all capable of playing some SF. Ball handling and defensive switching abilities would be elite with those four. Given his preference Pop has never run an offense with a ball dominant PG but prefers the passing game. White and Derozan are there. Walker and Murray can be added to the mix given their other skills and development potential. Murray, White and Walker are on good value for money contracts for quite a while. One may be traded someday in a Hill/ Leonard scenario but that day is not near.

Exactly. In vintage ST fashion, posters overreact to everything. White is good? Trade Murray. We got a high draft pick who hasn't proven himself? Trade Murray. Ridiculous. How about see if all 3 can play together. Posters assume all 3 have to start or one has to be traded. Makes no sense.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Mills finally had a good games as far as the turn around I would say everyone has gotten better Forbes, White, Bertans, Belli, Poodle, and team defense has greatly improved.Mills will have another good game in about 10 games or so.

[BackHome]

Not even close. As things stand they have $101 mil guaranteed for 11 players for next season. Assuming no or marginal trades, adding a pick or two's cap holds and a projected $109 mil cap they'll only have the MLE and BAE.

Yeah I think the Spurs will either try to package two first to move up in draft or one of their first two draft pick will be foreign draft and stash. If they feel they can’t bring over Nikola I wouldn’t be suprosed if they draft Gorta B. a Center.

[ceperez]

Exactly. In vintage ST fashion, posters overreact to everything. White is good? Trade Murray. We got a high draft pick who hasn't proven himself? Trade Murray. Ridiculous. How about see if all 3 can play together. Posters assume all 3 have to start or one has to be traded. Makes no sense.

Make sense to wait for Murray to play. Worse case, he ups his value as a trade asset.

[Down Under]

murray is going to be a liability in offense if he plays off ball..
Lets hope he's been working on that J

[Coach X]

We don't know exactly what was the plan before Murray's injury. As soon as DeJounte was diagnosed with a torn ACL, Popovich said Derrick White had the keys of the team. I believe the plan for Patty always was coming from the bench. White's injury gave more minutes to Mills and Forbes and converted DeRozan on the de facto Point Guard. This happened to allow DeRozan and Forbes to emerge on their current roles. Mills recovered his original position in the rotation once White returned from his injury and established himself into the team.

Being Murray healthy I can imagine White pairing Mills in the bench backcourt. I'm not sure what was the expected role for Forbes as I believe the original plan was playing with two bigs. Anyway, with Murray out, Pop decided to go ahead with White as starting PG and Mills coming off the bench and facts are showing this was the correct thing to do.

[superbigtime]

Weird question, but Mills definitely better when he doesn't play too many minutes or have to do too much. White has been HUGE.