Sad reality of the shutdown

[Trill Clinton]

I know most here on ST can't relate since we're all rich and wealthy, but there is a large amount of people who will lose their homes, families, jobs, etc because of the shutdown.

It's crazy that a lot of Americans(not ST posters)are living paycheck to paycheck. From those with entry level salaries to the ST level ballers who make $80k right out of college are struggling with making a living.

All it takes is something like a shutdown to completely ruin your life if you don't have your shit together.

Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this? What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?

[Spurminator]

I wonder if this qualifies someone for unemployment benefits. If so we might start seeing a resource crunch at the state level.

[Spurminator]

Also inb4
- They should get a better job if they can't afford to save
- Salaries under $250K aren't meant to be living wages
- But the Democrats
- Why do you care more about unemployed people than the thousands of people being killed by Mexican gangs?

[LkrFan]

Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. Fuck him tbh.

[LkrFan]

Also inb4
- They should get a better job if they can't afford to save
- Salaries under $250K aren't meant to be living wages
- But the Democrats
- Why do you care more about unemployed people than the thousands of people being killed by Mexican gangs?

American privileged whiteys kill more people than immigrants. #Facts

[Trill Clinton]

Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. Fuck him tbh.

Same here I'm DoD too fam. I got lucky but this is a huge reality check for those less fortunate and struggling to make ends meet. These landlords and creditors can give a damn about a leniency letter.

[boutons_deux]

"choose not to prepare for situations like this?"

choose? :lol

crawling from paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes not making it to the next paycheck,

10Ms are already "rent stressed" at up to 50% of their takehome just for rent,

and/or paying 25% cc interest on something they didn't have cash for (or 100%s to payday loan sharks),

getting dinged $37 for a card purchase NSF,

doesn't allow 10Ms of Americans to "prepare".


Americans Paid $34 Billion In Overdraft Fees Last Year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/learnvest/2018/04/05/americans-paid-34-billion-in-overdraft-fees-last-year-heres-how-to-stop-the-charges/#338b3a493ce9

[SpursforSix]

What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?

Robots, AI, and simulation. That's the end game fam.

[Chris]

So glad someone started another thread about this.

[ElNono]

Great thoughts on the OP, and completely agree with the disconnect and disregard in DC about these folks. They're being played for pawns in a game they have no way to resolve.

[DMC]

I know most here on ST can't relate since we're all rich and wealthy, but there is a large amount of people who will lose their homes, families, jobs, etc because of the shutdown.

It's crazy that a lot of Americans(not ST posters)are living paycheck to paycheck. From those with entry level salaries to the ST level ballers who make $80k right out of college are struggling with making a living.

All it takes is something like a shutdown to completely ruin your life if you don't have your shit together.

Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this? What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?

Don't sweat it Trill, that check will come in near the 1st. That statue of liberty emblem will once again make your acquaintance.

[DarrinS]

Time to get your side hustle on

UBER

[Xevious]

Time to get your side hustle on

UBER
Unless you are one of the poor SOBs that still have to work without compensation

[FrostKing]

Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this?
Poor parenting. And a bit of Americans being overwhelmingly positive thinking so don't save for rainy day. Americans are awful planners.

[Xevious]

And I'm not going to defend the shutdown... at all... but...

Nobody is going to lose their home for lack of a couple payments. If people continue to make their house/car payments instead of feeding their family, their priorities are jacked. This shit will (hopefully) be overwith and backpay will be given long before people have their cars repossessed. The ones that will be hit the hardest IMO are the small businesses that rely on the federal government to operate. One or two months of zero revenue can and will sink some of them.

[spurraider21]

And I'm not going to defend the shutdown... at all... but...

Nobody is going to lose their home for lack of a couple payments. If people continue to make their house/car payments instead of feeding their family, their priorities are jacked. This shit will (hopefully) be overwith and backpay will be given long before people have their cars repossessed. The ones that will be hit the hardest IMO are the small businesses that rely on the federal government to operate. One or two months of zero revenue can and will sink some of them.
there's the possibility that people were already behind on payments and then the shutdown has crippled their ability to catch up. north of 75% of americans claim to live paycheck to paycheck. as the OP said, we know everybody on ST is exorbitantly wealthy, so maybe can't relate. but that's the reality. whether or not they're as financially responsible as you think they should be is irrelevant. not everybody can go a month or more without pay and shrug it off because they'll get backpay one day

[boutons_deux]

net income from Uber in SA in Fed minimum wage max, then minus SSx2, IRS, etc.

uber pays $0.60 / mile, while most analyses show car TCO of $0.50 - $0.60

[vy65]

Couple of thoughts.

1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the constitutional text.

2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?

[DMC]

Couple of thoughts.

1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the constitutional text.

2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?

1. What power can he have if he doesn't have power over it?
2. When the opposition grows balls

[Xevious]

there's the possibility that people were already behind on payments and then the shutdown has crippled their ability to catch up. north of 75% of americans claim to live paycheck to paycheck. as the OP said, we know everybody on ST is exorbitantly wealthy, so maybe can't relate. but that's the reality. whether or not they're as financially responsible as you think they should be is irrelevant. not everybody can go a month or more without pay and shrug it off because they'll get backpay one day
Well yes, being behind on payments already would give you a lower threshold for changes in income. But I still don't think people are going to be throw out to the streets en masse before this is resolved like some are saying.

Regardless, it's pretty fucking shameful and embarrassing that the US goverment can't get their shit together long enough to work this out and that people are being put in this situation.

[ElNono]

Couple of thoughts.

1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the constitutional text.

2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?

Because the cowards in Congress have been punting any major decision in immigration for years (and this goes to both Dems and GOP). That's how Obama was also caught with his hand in the cookie jar on immigration with DACA.

Since they're fucking cowards and won't touch this thing, they should at least sign off on giving the Executive the authority to make law, much like they did with the AUMF.

As far as 2), I see a much more expedient resolution: most of these govt emplyees are unionized. It's only a matter of time until a court rules for an union and fines the federal government for breach of contract. After that, the shutdown can become really expensive.

[DMC]

Well yes, being behind on payments already would give you a lower threshold for changes in income. But I still don't think people are going to be throw out to the streets en masse before this is resolved like some are saying.

Regardless, it's pretty fucking shameful and embarrassing that the US goverment can't get their shit together long enough to work this out and that people are being put in this situation.

Slight of hand. Think what other benefit could some folks receive from this "shutdown" when they control when it will end? It's likely not really about the wall.

[pgardn]

Poor parenting. And a bit of Americans being overwhelmingly positive thinking so don't save for rainy day. Americans are awful planners.

It’s really not that hard to start out in the red.
Just be born to the wrong family.

[CosmicCowboy]

Coast Guard has a plan...:lol


https://www.duffelblog.com/2018/12/coast-guard-begins-reselling-seized-cocaine-amid-government-shutdown/

[Winehole23]

The Coast Guard patrols the longest US border.

1085137495195639809

[ElNono]

Thoughts and prayers to those affected

[boutons_deux]

elitist billionaire Trash, over and over and over, screwing his employees

yawn

[elbamba1]

Feeding my kids prayer sandwiches tonight.

[Chinook]

Yeah, it's shitty. Like the blame mostly goes on Trump for trying to force Congress to pay for something he assured us we wouldn't have to. But the Democrats seem to be enjoying this way too much. The "symbolic" bills the House passed mean nothing, and I doubt anyone was heartened by them. Dems are gambling that this is going to win them more votes (or a higher turnout) from Latinos to offset the folks who either stay home or switch to the GOP (ESPECIALLY if someone challenges and ousts Trump). It'll be interesting to see if it works, but I am skeptical that most American Latinos support migrants' rights enough to form a bloc because of it.

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, it's shitty. Like the blame mostly goes on Trump for trying to force Congress to pay for something he assured us we wouldn't have to. But the Democrats seem to be enjoying this way too much.

Even Congressional Repugs refused to buy this toy for Trash, for two years, although Repugs fully agree with Trash's racism, xenophobia, nativism, and white male nationalism. It's been fundamental to Repug politicking for 50 years. Repugs have that $5B, and other $100Bs, earmarked for their BigDonor class.

Of course, the Dems are thrilled that Trash is trashing himself (as polls show).

Anyway, more whites than browns are being hurt by Trash's shutdown.

And, at least in TX, browns don't vote much.

Why don’t more Texas Latinos vote?

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/10/17/dont-texas-latinos-vote-many-cynical-politics-dont-trust-politicians-new-study-shows

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, it's shitty. Like the blame mostly goes on Trump for trying to force Congress to pay for something he assured us we wouldn't have to. But the Democrats seem to be enjoying this way too much. The "symbolic" bills the House passed mean nothing, and I doubt anyone was heartened by them. Dems are gambling that this is going to win them more votes (or a higher turnout) from Latinos to offset the folks who either stay home or switch to the GOP (ESPECIALLY if someone challenges and ousts Trump). It'll be interesting to see if it works, but I am skeptical that most American Latinos support migrants' rights enough to form a bloc because of it.
It’s not going to flip votes either way imo. The Trump supporters are blaming Schumer/Pelosi, the Dems are blaming Trump, and any independents blaming Trump are independents who already didn’t like him.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's shitty. Like the blame mostly goes on Trump for trying to force Congress to pay for something he assured us we wouldn't have to. But the Democrats seem to be enjoying this way too much. The "symbolic" bills the House passed mean nothing, and I doubt anyone was heartened by them. Dems are gambling that this is going to win them more votes (or a higher turnout) from Latinos to offset the folks who either stay home or switch to the GOP (ESPECIALLY if someone challenges and ousts Trump). It'll be interesting to see if it works, but I am skeptical that most American Latinos support migrants' rights enough to form a bloc because of it.

"But the Dems"

[spurraider21]

its arbitrary for him to draw a line in the sand now.

he didnt shut down the govt in previous years for the wall.

[Chinook]

It’s not going to flip votes either way imo. The Trump supporters are blaming Schumer/Pelosi, the Dems are blaming Trump, and any independents blaming Trump are independents who already didn’t like him.

That blame can only go so far before it becomes obvious that neither side really cares. I think that Trump's side sort of understands that already. I think some voters may be getting to the point where they wonder if fighting Trump is really what the Dems are going to focus on. Like, "Yeah, fuck Trump, but I don't want to lose my house over it.

[Chinook]

its arbitrary for him to draw a line in the sand now.

he didnt shut down the govt in previous years for the wall.

He had other shit to distract the media with last year.

[boutons_deux]

"neither side really cares"

some truth in that (the Dem establishment is not at all progressive, and fully subservient to BigDonor), but the shutdown and wall are 100% on Trash, as he himself said on national TV.

Trash also said the 2018 midterms were all about him, and he got crushed.

2020 will also be about Trash, but I don't think Dems prioritizing anti-Trash will be enough to win the all-important Senate, to complement a Dem Congress.

And there are predictions that 2019/2020 will see significant economic slowdown, which never favors the incumbents.

[FrostKing]

^ grown man using nicknames :lol

[Trill Clinton]

^ grown man using nicknames :lol

Trump uses nicknames all the time

What are your thoughts on the Polish mayor who was stabbed in the chest in front of hundreds of people at a rally this week?

[Blake]

^ grown man using nicknames :lol

Says "FrostKing"

[FrostKing]

Trump uses nicknames all the time

What are your thoughts on the Polish mayor who was stabbed in the chest in front of hundreds of people at a rally this week?
Some disgruntled low life. The mayor was popular. Security was heavily lacking as this is rare.

[Th'Pusher]

And I'm not going to defend the shutdown... at all... but...

Nobody is going to lose their home for lack of a couple payments. If people continue to make their house/car payments instead of feeding their family, their priorities are jacked. This shit will (hopefully) be overwith and backpay will be given long before people have their cars repossessed. The ones that will be hit the hardest IMO are the small businesses that rely on the federal government to operate. One or two months of zero revenue can and will sink some of them.

I think the people most affected by this are the government contractors. AFAIK there is no precedent for giving them back pay so it’s lost income. I think there are around 4M contract employees although I’m not sure what percentage are impacted by the shutdown

[spurraider21]

He had other shit to distract the media with last year.
did he shut down the government over obamacare repeal? family/chain migration reform?

[Th'Pusher]

Yeah, it's shitty. Like the blame mostly goes on Trump for trying to force Congress to pay for something he assured us we wouldn't have to. But the Democrats seem to be enjoying this way too much. The "symbolic" bills the House passed mean nothing, and I doubt anyone was heartened by them. Dems are gambling that this is going to win them more votes (or a higher turnout) from Latinos to offset the folks who either stay home or switch to the GOP (ESPECIALLY if someone challenges and ousts Trump). It'll be interesting to see if it works, but I am skeptical that most American Latinos support migrants' rights enough to form a bloc because of it.

With our short attention spans, if we remember the shutdown at all in 2020 I think it could help someone with little name recognition, like Beto or Castro, claim he wasn’t a part of this fiasco when running against Booker, Warren or Harris in the Democratic primary.

[boutons_deux]

government contractors. AFAIK there is no precedent for giving them back pay so it’s lost income.

yep, govt contractors are not reimbursed.

[Chinook]

did he shut down the government over obamacare repeal? family/chain migration reform?

Maybe? I don't remember why the government has been shut down before. Think that's getting farther from the point though.

[spurraider21]

Maybe? I don't remember why the government has been shut down before. Think that's getting farther from the point though.
no, it's exactly the point. he's made the wall a sticking point before, and tied it to daca negotiations. he can be hardline on it all he wants. but shutting down the govt over 5 billion to a pet project was an arbitrary call.

[boutons_deux]

Maybe? I don't remember why the government has been shut down before. Think that's getting farther from the point though.

the last shutdown was TX Repug Lying Ted so he could read Green Eggs and Ham

before that, IIRC, it was Repug Noot Gingrich shutting down TWICE to spite Slick Willy.

so that's 4 shutdowns, all by Repug motherfuckers

again,IIRC, Lyin Ted's shutdown cost was $50B

[Chinook]

no, it's exactly the point. he's made the wall a sticking point before, and tied it to daca negotiations. he can be hardline on it all he wants. but shutting down the govt over 5 billion to a pet project was an arbitrary call.

No, it's exactly not the point. It's not going to matter "who started it" when folks are losing their homes. There should be a basic rule that people shouldn't lose their homes because of political disagreements that have nothing to do with them. Trump being the one who threw that out the window first doesn't mean that folks aren't going to be upset that the Dems left it out the window for so long.

I'm not wondering whose fault it is, so telling me it's Trump's fault is irrelevant. I'm talking about the potential erosion of trust in both sides and how that's going to affect the upcoming elections, and that's not going to be based on who technically caused this to happen.

[spurraider21]

No, it's exactly not the point. It's not going to matter "who started it" when folks are losing their homes. There should be a basic rule that people shouldn't lose their homes because of political disagreements that have nothing to do with them. Trump being the one who threw that out the window first doesn't mean that folks aren't going to be upset that the Dems left it out the window for so long.

I'm not wondering whose fault it is, so telling me it's Trump's fault is irrelevant. I'm talking about the potential erosion of trust in both sides and how that's going to affect the upcoming elections, and that's not going to be based on who technically caused this to happen.
you cant have one without the other imo

[boutons_deux]

"erosion of trust"

... in politics, in govt, in the law, in institutions, in neoliberal austerity (for the non-oligarchy) in Capitalism, in democracy is common in several countries, that are, like USA, turning to anti-democratic authoritarianism as an alternative.

obviously, Capitalism is anti-democratic and fucks non-Capitalists, and US democracy is long dead and gone. America was never intended by the FFs to be a democracy.

[baseline bum]

No, it's exactly not the point. It's not going to matter "who started it" when folks are losing their homes. There should be a basic rule that people shouldn't lose their homes because of political disagreements that have nothing to do with them. Trump being the one who threw that out the window first doesn't mean that folks aren't going to be upset that the Dems left it out the window for so long.

I'm not wondering whose fault it is, so telling me it's Trump's fault is irrelevant. I'm talking about the potential erosion of trust in both sides and how that's going to affect the upcoming elections, and that's not going to be based on who technically caused this to happen.

If Trump's base loses their homes from his shutdown and don't blame him and the GOP then I don't care. They got exactly what they voted for when they threw a hand grenade into DC by electing Trump. I feel bad for the people who never voted for the piece of shit and are victims of his ego.

[Chinook]

you cant have one without the other imo

I really don't even know what you're saying anymore. You started off assuming I didn't know if it was Trump who caused the shutdown. I said I knew that but that that wasn't the important issue. Then you repeated that it's Trump's fault.

I know Trump caused this. I know he put a bunch of families in jeopardy for a wall he said would be paid for by another country. I know this whole fight has very little to do with actual border security. I know that. I'm saying that's going to be irrelevant to a lot of people, because the Democrats could have just given him his wall and not let it get this far. Yes, that sets a bad precedent. But that's not what's going to matter to a voter. "Precedents", "principles of the matter"; those things aren't going to pay the bills.

There's an inherent trust we're supposed to have that our government isn't this broken, that you can trust the American dollar, that working for the federal government is supposed to be a viable career. We don't have that, and it's not just a Republican issue. The "crisis" the president is facing ought to be how many federal employees don't have money, not who's coming over the border. The Democratic platform should be all about outreach and using their clout to help alleviate the strain it's putting on the affected people, not passing fake bills and blame. When people's lives are on the line, shit like the message we're sending to the world or who's been caught in another lie just don't matter.

[boutons_deux]

Congress could end it, primarily the Senate Repugs

" #3 Senate Republicans bolt

The House already has passed the funding bill

that the GOP-controlled Senate approved last month.

Republican senators, especially those who are up for re-election next year,

have grown increasingly anxious (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/11/government-shutdown-here-few-republicans-not-going-along/2534748002/)about the potential political costs for them back home from the extended shutdown.

They could approve the measure and send it to the White House."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/14/government-shutdown-how-will-it-end/2565793002/

[Chinook]

If Trump's base loses their homes from his shutdown and don't blame him and the GOP then I don't care. They got exactly what they voted for when they threw a hand grenade into DC by electing Trump. I feel bad for the people who never voted for the piece of shit and are victims of his ego.

I think Trump's base is with him at this point. But if the Democrats put up one of their senators like Warren or Booker, they could easily get their asses handed to them in the primaries, if not the general.

[spurraider21]

I really don't even know what you're saying anymore. You started off assuming I didn't know if it was Trump who caused the shutdown. I said I knew that but that that wasn't the important issue. Then you repeated that it's Trump's fault.

I know Trump caused this. I know he put a bunch of families in jeopardy for a wall he said would be paid for by another country. I know this whole fight has very little to do with actual border security. I know that. I'm saying that's going to be irrelevant to a lot of people, because the Democrats could have just given him his wall and not let it get this far. Yes, that sets a bad precedent. But that's not what's going to matter to a voter. "Precedents", "principles of the matter"; those things aren't going to pay the bills.

There's an inherent trust we're supposed to have that our government isn't this broken, that you can trust the American dollar, that working for the federal government is supposed to be a viable career. We don't have that, and it's not just a Republican issue. The "crisis" the president is facing ought to be how many federal employees don't have money, not who's coming over the border. The Democratic platform should be all about outreach and using their clout to help alleviate the strain it's putting on the affected people, not passing fake bills and blame. When people's lives are on the line, shit like the message we're sending to the world or who's been caught in another lie just don't matter.
the notion that people aren't going to care who specifically is to blame, and instead will generically lose trust in "government" is one i dont buy at all.

[Winehole23]

could be the wall is the pretext and the government shutdown was the point all long.

it could be quite some time until a veto proof majority passes a CR.

[Winehole23]

with a compliant US Senate, POTUS refusing to sign any bill funding the government effectively shrinks the government. we're nowhere close to getting it small enough to drown in the bathtub, but the Grover Norquists of the world are rubbing their hands with glee, wherever they are.

[Spurminator]

No, it's exactly not the point. It's not going to matter "who started it" when folks are losing their homes. There should be a basic rule that people shouldn't lose their homes because of political disagreements that have nothing to do with them. Trump being the one who threw that out the window first doesn't mean that folks aren't going to be upset that the Dems left it out the window for so long.

I'm not wondering whose fault it is, so telling me it's Trump's fault is irrelevant. I'm talking about the potential erosion of trust in both sides and how that's going to affect the upcoming elections, and that's not going to be based on who technically caused this to happen.

There is a reason we have a Legislative Branch separate from the Executive. What you're advocating for is for the Legislature to cave to the Executive any time he stomps his feet hard enough. That completely erodes Separation of Powers and is worse for the country longterm.

[Chinook]

the notion that people aren't going to care who specifically is to blame, and instead will generically lose trust in "government" is one i dont buy at all.

If by "people" you mean "every individual", then the answer is an obvious yes. But if you don't think a real portion of the population went from thinking Democrats were the good guys to realizing that neither side is the good guys, I don't know what to tell you.

It'd be like if you and a friend were walking down the street and a guy jumps out at you and says to give him your wallet or he'll shoot your friend. The mugger is wrong. He caused the issue. It's his fault. But if you don't give the mugger the money, and your friend gets shot, he's still likely to be upset with you. You can explain all you want about how the mugger was a criminal and how it was your money and blah, blah. Your friend still might see it as you choosing the money (or the "honor" of not giving in), over him. He might even understand and agree with you, but he'll know that your friendship has its limits.

I have no idea if you're a federal employee or not, but if you're not and you start talking to some (not the ones trying to political, but just the average one), you'll start hearing a lot of "Just give him the damned wall already".

[Chinook]

There is a reason we have a Legislative Branch separate from the Executive. What you're advocating for is for the Legislature to cave to the Executive any time he stomps his feet hard enough. That completely erodes Separation of Powers and is worse for the country longterm.

Again with this need to educate me. I took government in high school too. I know how the separation of powers works. What I'm saying is that prolonged political fights hurts both sides, so constantly acting like this is only going to hurt Trump because he started it is foolish.

[boutons_deux]

"prolonged political fights hurts both sides"

clearly Congress and Trash don't think so

[Spurminator]

Republicans in Congress can end this whenever they want and preserve the separation of powers. The President does not have ultimate power over the budget, and he does not have the votes for his agenda. The shutdown is a direct result of a narcissistic temper tantrum and a nutless GOP legislature.

[Spurminator]

Again with this need to educate me. I took government in high school too. I know how the separation of powers works. What I'm saying is that prolonged political fights hurts both sides, so constantly acting like this is only going to hurt Trump because he started it is foolish.

And I'm saying caving to the President hurts both sides more.

[Blake]

Again with this need to educate me. I took government in high school too. I know how the separation of powers works. What I'm saying is that prolonged political fights hurts both sides, so constantly acting like this is only going to hurt Trump because he started it is foolish.

So what do you propose the Dems do here?

[FrostKing]

So what do you propose the Dems do here?
Should cut some deal. American citizens get the wall safety in exchange for Democrats getting precious refugees

[DMC]

If the Dems gave in right now and said it was for the good of the people that would garner them a lot of favor. If they don't, people won't excuse them either. Both sides hold the switch.

[Pavlov]

If the Dems gave in right now and said it was for the good of the people that would garner them a lot of favor. If they don't, people won't excuse them either. Both sides hold the switch.Do you want a wall/fence running the entire length of the US-Mexico border?

[FrostKing]

If the Dems gave in right now and said it was for the good of the people that would garner them a lot of favor. If they don't, people won't excuse them either. Both sides hold the switch.
Agreed. It is already documented that many Democrats suppprted a Wall before Trump came along. So now they seem spiteful - while Trump seems stubborn in defense of the American citizen

[DMC]

Do you want a wall/fence running the entire length of the US-Mexico border?

I would like to keep some legal entry points tbh. A wall/fence running the entire length would make legal entry difficult.

[Pavlov]

I would like to keep some legal entry points tbh. A wall/fence running the entire length would make legal entry difficult.Keeping the current entry points, do you want a wall/fence otherwise running the entire length of the US-Mexico border?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Keeping the current entry points, do you want a wall/fence otherwise running the entire length of the US-Mexico border?

Yes or no.

I'm not against it as long as the land owners are compensated.

[Pavlov]

I'm not against it as long as the land owners are compensated.But do you want it?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

But do you want it?

Yes or no.

I gave my opinion already. You'll have to tweak out elsewhere :lol

[Blake]

If the Dems gave in right now and said it was for the good of the people that would garner them a lot of favor. If they don't, people won't excuse them either. Both sides hold the switch.

Lol bullshit.

If the Dems give in, they'll look weak and Trump will be sitting pretty.

[Blake]

I gave my opinion already. You'll have to tweak out elsewhere :lol

What a pussy answer

[Blake]

Should cut some deal. American citizens get the wall safety in exchange for Democrats getting precious refugees

Wut

[Pavlov]

I gave my opinion already. You'll have to tweak out elsewhere :lol:lol tough guy can't even say whether he wants a wall or not.

[DMC]

Lol bullshit.

If the Dems give in, they'll look weak and Trump will be sitting pretty.

They already look weak. Trump doesn't need to bolster his political future. They do. If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise to get their people what they need instead of just trying to look strong while their voters miss their rent payments.

[DMC]

What a pussy answer

You should have built a wall around your house, look what happened.

[DMC]

:lol tough guy can't even say whether he wants a wall or not.

My mind doesn't work in absolutes. I don't wake up wanting a border wall or not wanting one. if the topic is raised I will point out the positives and negatives, but I don't consider "want" to be "accept". I would accept one were it to be built. I don't have any strong feelings about it.

[Pavlov]

:cryDems should give Trump the wall I can't even say I want:cry

[Blake]

You should have built a wall around your house, look what happened.

What a pussy fallback

[DMC]

Wut

He's saying if Trump allowed the refugees in as part of the wall deal then if the dems refused they are telling the refugees to fuck off. They would be putting their political position ahead of the lives of those poor children.

Do you understand now lapdog? Good boy.

[DMC]

hurr durr da boss wants yes or no you gotta say yes or no

[Blake]

They already look weak. Trump doesn't need to bolster his political future. They do. If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise to get their people what they need instead of just trying to look strong while their voters miss their rent payments.

Lol "the art of compromise"

What a load of shit. They'd be giving in to a bully that's throwing a tantrum. Everyone knows this but you and the other Trump Shields

[Pavlov]

He's saying if Trump allowed the refugees in as part of the wall deal then if the dems refused they are telling the refugees to fuck off. They would be putting their political position ahead of the lives of those poor children.

Do you understand now lapdog? Good boy.What refugees are you talking about?

[DMC]

If the Dems gave in right now and said it was for the good of the people that would garner them a lot of favor. If they don't, people won't excuse them either. Both sides hold the switch.


:cryDems should give Trump the wall I can't even say I want:cry

Where did I say anything about what should happen?

:lol 2cents unable to post without creating a narrative.

[Blake]

He's saying if Trump allowed the refugees in as part of the wall deal then if the dems refused they are telling the refugees to fuck off. They would be putting their political position ahead of the lives of those poor children.

Do you understand now lapdog? Good boy.

Lol "lapdog".

That's you, Fido. Trump says wall you roll over and bark wall.

[DMC]

Lol "the art of compromise"

What a load of shit. They'd be giving in to a bully that's throwing a tantrum. Everyone knows this but you and the other Trump Shields

Are you getting paid or missing your house payments? It's easy for you to make judgments from the comfort of solvency. You're not very bright. The board recognizes this.

[DMC]

Lol "lapdog".

That's you, Fido. Trump says wall you roll over and bark wall.

You're Chump's lapdog. You follow him around trying to get an ankle nibble in. :lol

[Blake]

Where did I say anything about what should happen?

:lol 2cents unable to post without creating a narrative.

You said the Dems should figure out how to compromise and give in to the wall, Fido.

[Pavlov]

Where did I say anything about what should happen?

:lol 2cents unable to post without creating a narrative.

They already look weak. Trump doesn't need to bolster his political future. They do. If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise to get their people what they need instead of just trying to look strong while their voters miss their rent payments.lol DMC ignoring DMC

[Blake]

You follow him around trying to get an ankle nibble in. :lol

I guess that means you keeping track of me makes you my bitch

[Blake]

Are you getting paid or missing your house payments? It's easy for you to make judgments from the comfort of solvency. You're not very bright. The board recognizes this.

If I was missing a house payment because of this, I'd be pissed at Trump, not the Dems, Fido.

[DMC]

lol DMC ignoring DMC

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents :lol

[DMC]

If I was missing a house payment because of this, I'd be pissed at Trump, not the Dems, Fido.

We've established you're not very bright.

Dems already know Trump isn't on their side so they are pissed at him just for being in office. However the people they voted for have the lever to offer relief and refuse to use it.

[Pavlov]

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents :lol:lol DMC denies being DMC.

Don't worry, floppy. No one's going to accuse you of actually taking a stand on anything.

[DMC]

I guess that means you keeping track of me makes you my bitch

Which means I should be cheating on you about now.

[DMC]

:lol DMC denies being DMC.

Don't worry, floppy. No one's going to accuse you of actually taking a stand on anything.

You want me to get into a multi-page bicker fest about whether or not your dishonest claim holds merit. I don't care to. Anyone who cares can read it for themselves. You lose. :lol

[Pavlov]

You want me to get into a multi-page bicker fest about whether or not your dishonest claim holds merit. I don't care to. Anyone who cares can read it for themselves. You lose. :lol:lol DMC declares victory

See, I didn't have any opinion after all!

[spurraider21]

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents :lol
:lmao just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed

[Pavlov]

:lmao just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed:lmao DMC desperately wants everyone to know he's an NPC and will fight anyone who says he has an opinion.

[Blake]

We've established you're not very bright.

Dems already know Trump isn't on their side so they are pissed at him just for being in office. However the people they voted for have the lever to offer relief and refuse to use it.

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is shitty speculation that you're making up.

[Blake]

Which means I should be cheating on you about now.

After which I put you down

[Blake]

Still don't see the word "should" in there...

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

More slight of hand by 2cents :lol

:lol "should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.

[Pavlov]

:lol "should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.THEY NEED TO COMPROMISE BUT THEY SHOULDN'T I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT MEANS ANYTHING TAKE IT BACK UR GAY

[Spurminator]

I said they need to. It's not even synonymous with "should".

https://media.giphy.com/media/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK/giphy.gif

[Chinook]

And I'm saying caving to the President hurts both sides more.

Of course YOU'RE saying that. But you have one vote, like everyone else.

[Spurminator]

Of course YOU'RE saying that. But you have one vote, like everyone else.

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.

[spurraider21]

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.
iirc he said he doesn't need to be educated

[Chinook]

So what do you propose the Dems do here?

I think they need to be on the ground trying to organize the unemployed people. They can totally do things like promote places that are hiring temporary employees. At least some of the departments that are in furlough have union representation. Connecting with them either to call town-hall meetings. If there are foundations that can help either by giving food (in cases where that helps) or ride-sharing, whatever. Some banks have been offering to make payments for furloughed employees. Politicians doing whatever they can to call attention to these banks and pressure others to follow suit would be helpful. Some employees don't even know they can apply for unemployment. They can -- I knew folks who did it last shutdown and they got their checks (though they had to pay it back once their reimbursements came through).

That's sort of shatter-shot. The point is that there's actually a lot politicians can do if they treat this as a crisis rather than a leverage tool. Using their platform to promote solutions, temporary as they would be, would go a long way to establishing they're on the people's side. It's one thing not to turn over the government to Trump. It's another to act as if there's nothing they can do for the people hurt by the shut down.

[Chinook]

I'm not talking about how I vote, I'm talking about the relevance of the Legislative branch.

Yes. I know. FFS. But that's not the point. The average voter doesn't care about that over their own financial well-being. You keep trying to act like if you can just win this debate, everyone will vote with you. But that's not how elections work. Optics and manipulation matter much more than well-reasoned arguments. You aren't going to have a ton of success telling some poor sap, "Sorry about your mortgage, but we can't let Trump override Congress." Utilitarian arguments almost always fail to persuade, because no one really believes in the Veil of Ignorance.

[clambake]

I think they need to be on the ground trying to organize the unemployed people. They can totally do things like promote places that are hiring temporary employees. At least some of the departments that are in furlough have union representation. Connecting with them either to call town-hall meetings. If there are foundations that can help either by giving food (in cases where that helps) or ride-sharing, whatever. Some banks have been offering to make payments for furloughed employees. Politicians doing whatever they can to call attention to these banks and pressure others to follow suit would be helpful. Some employees don't even know they can apply for unemployment. They can -- I knew folks who did it last shutdown and they got their checks (though they had to pay it back once their reimbursements came through).

That's sort of shatter-shot. The point is that there's actually a lot politicians can do if they treat this as a crisis rather than a leverage tool. Using their platform to promote solutions, temporary as they would be, would go a long way to establishing they're on the people's side. It's one thing not to turn over the government to Trump. It's another to act as if there's nothing they can do for the people hurt by the shut down.

the dems should do this when a republican shuts down the govt.?

[Chinook]

the dems should do this when a republican shuts down the govt.?

Yes.

[DMC]

:lmao just like when you said bribery but didnt say bribed

Spurraider21 attempts to point out hypocrisy online, take 251... and action.

[clambake]

Yes.

the republicans shouldn't do this?

[DMC]

https://media.giphy.com/media/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK/giphy.gif

I thought you folks were supposed to be educated.

If I say "you need flour to make bread" is that the same as saying "you should make bread" or "You should have flour"?

No

Therefore saying the dems need to do action A to get outcome B isn't the same as saying dems should do action A or that the dems should want to get outcome B.

Too many of you don't know how to debate properly, you "need" to change people's words to have something to argue against. Then you claim it means the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

Then the lapdogs arrive (hello Philo :lol )

[DMC]

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is shitty speculation that you're making up.

Everyone here that knows you're at a whole nother level you cuck :lol

[DMC]

iirc he said he doesn't need to be educated

So he said he shouldn't be educated?

[Blake]

So he said he shouldn't be educated?

You should/need to be educated

[Blake]

Everyone here that knows you're at a whole nother level you cuck :lol

Lol derpspeak.

[DMC]

Lol list who the "we" are in "we've".

The rest of that is shitty speculation that you're making up.


After which I put you down


:lol "should" absolutely is a synonym of "need".

Tell me again how dumb I am.


THEY NEED TO COMPROMISE BUT THEY SHOULDN'T I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT MEANS ANYTHING TAKE IT BACK UR GAY


:lmao DMC desperately wants everyone to know he's an NPC and will fight anyone who says he has an opinion.

The melting down of Chumpy and Lappy :lol

[DMC]

You should/need to be educated

Then it's good that I am. You still a homemaker?

[DMC]

Lol derpspeak.

That was AaronY who pegged you with that. You cannot even carry your own state :lol

[Spurminator]

I thought you folks were supposed to be educated.

If I say "you need flour to make bread" is that the same as saying "you should make bread" or "You should have flour"?

No

This is not an example consistent with your usage of "need to."

Your quote: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise...

Alternate quote, without changing the meaning: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they should learn the art of compromise...

The appropriate parallel would be changing "You need to use flour to make bread" to "You should use flour to make bread." Which works fine. You cannot always replace "should" with "need to," so they're not perfect synonyms in every example. But you can almost always replace "need to" with "should." And you definitely can when one of them is used the way you used it.


Too many of you don't know how to debate properly, you "need" to change people's words to have something to argue against. Then you claim it means the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

That does often happen, but not in this instance. Anyway, I didn't enter the debate until semantics were already brought up.

[Chinook]

the republicans shouldn't do this?

I didn't say that. Doing the right thing isn't exclusive to party. The question was directly about the Democrats.

[Pavlov]

The melting down of Chumpy and Lappy :lolIt's okay, DMNPC. You want to not be relevant and never say anything relevant.

So be it.

[Blake]

I think they need to be on the ground trying to organize the unemployed people. They can totally do things like promote places that are hiring temporary employees. At least some of the departments that are in furlough have union representation. Connecting with them either to call town-hall meetings. If there are foundations that can help either by giving food (in cases where that helps) or ride-sharing, whatever. Some banks have been offering to make payments for furloughed employees. Politicians doing whatever they can to call attention to these banks and pressure others to follow suit would be helpful. Some employees don't even know they can apply for unemployment. They can -- I knew folks who did it last shutdown and they got their checks (though they had to pay it back once their reimbursements came through).

That's sort of shatter-shot. The point is that there's actually a lot politicians can do if they treat this as a crisis rather than a leverage tool. Using their platform to promote solutions, temporary as they would be, would go a long way to establishing they're on the people's side. It's one thing not to turn over the government to Trump. It's another to act as if there's nothing they can do for the people hurt by the shut down.

Plenty of agencies are already stepping up to help the furloughed Federal employees.

That's not what I really meant. I meant what do you think the Dems should do regarding Trump's wall? Give in or stand up to him?

[Blake]

That was AaronY who pegged you with that. You cannot even carry your own state :lol

Lol Everyone knows it's really derpspeak. You included.

[Blake]

Then it's good that I am. You still a homemaker?

Lol "homemaker"

Poor dmc going personal. He should stay on topic, tbh.

[Chinook]

Plenty of agencies are already stepping up to help the furloughed Federal employees.

That's not what I really meant. I meant what do you think the Dems should do regarding Trump's wall? Give in or stand up to him?

I think it's all one. The better job they do at mitigating the damage the shut-down is doing, the less it makes sense to give in. Holding out just for the sake of it isn't really going to work. They're just going to end up at the table giving up at least some of what Trump wants. It's past the time where they can look noble by saving a billion or two. But holding out as part of a comprehensive plan where they do a lot of what I said to build good will? Makes sense. Show me you're trying to find a solution, and I'll believe you when you talk about red lines and precedents.

I don't think the dems should have to give in, but I also don't think this was a good battle to pick.

[Blake]

I think it's all one. The better job they do at mitigating the damage the shut-down is doing, the less it makes sense to give in. Holding out just for the sake of it isn't really going to work. They're just going to end up at the table giving up at least some of what Trump wants. It's past the time where they can look noble by saving a billion or two. But holding out as part of a comprehensive plan where they do a lot of what I said to build good will? Makes sense. Show me you're trying to find a solution, and I'll believe you when you talk about red lines and precedents.

I don't think the dems should have to give in, but I also don't think this was a good battle to pick.

Well they're getting some assistance right now and it also looks like back pay is in the works so yeah, I'd agree, it doesn't really make sense at the moment to give in to Trump's demands.

But they didn't pick the battle. Trump shoved the battle in their face.

[DMC]

This is not an example consistent with your usage of "need to."

Your quote: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they need to learn the art of compromise...

Alternate quote, without changing the meaning: If the dems want to have a chance in 2020 they should learn the art of compromise...

The appropriate parallel would be changing "You need to use flour to make bread" to "You should use flour to make bread." Which works fine. You cannot always replace "should" with "need to," so they're not perfect synonyms in every example. But you can almost always replace "need to" with "should." And you definitely can when one of them is used the way you used it.



That does often happen, but not in this instance. Anyway, I didn't enter the debate until semantics were already brought up.

In my original post, I made the term "need" contingent upon the wants of the party I am not even part of. I do not agree with your use of the word "should". I think it's sloppy. Something that is contingent isn't a "should" it's a "need", as should implies "ought to" while need implies "must". Your example would be true if I was giving advice.. "If you want to get your license, you should study" but I wasn't "If a person wants to pass their exam, they need to study" is more of an observation, not advice. "Ought to" is usually advice. It implies "I wish you would" but I don't have any such wishes for the democratic party.

Either way, Chump intentionally disregarded the fact that the term was contingent upon the wants of the democratic party and instead tried to spin it to represent a contradiction where one simply did not exist. He seems to hate it when someone won't play his yes or no game so he has to select for you.

[Blake]

In my original post, I made the term "need" contingent upon the wants of the party I am not even part of. I do not agree with your use of the word "should". I think it's sloppy. Something that is contingent isn't a "should" it's a "need", as should implies "ought to" while need implies "must". Your example would be true if I was giving advice.. "If you want to get your license, you should study" but I wasn't "If a person wants to pass their exam, they need to study" is more of an observation, not advice. "Ought to" is usually advice.

Either way, Chump intentionally disregarded the fact that the term was contingent upon the wants of the democratic party and instead tried to spin it to represent a contradiction where one simply did not exist. He seems to hate it when someone won't play his yes or no game so he has to select for you.

:lol hoping a wall of pseudo intellectual text will salvage your fail.

[DMC]

:lol hoping a wall of pseudo intellectual text will salvage your fail.

Like you understood a word of it. Go lick your 7 year wounds :lol

[DMC]

It's okay, DMNPC. You want to not be relevant and never say anything relevant.

So be it.

:lol relevant.. like congress reads ST before voting.

[DMC]

Lol "homemaker"

Poor dmc going personal. He should stay on topic, tbh.

So you are a home maker? :lmao

[Chinook]

Well they're getting some assistance right now and it also looks like back pay is in the works so yeah, I'd agree, it doesn't really make sense at the moment to give in to Trump's demands.

Some employees aren't getting back pay. Folks who were already on end-of-year furlough just weren't recalled, so they aren't getting compensated for lost hours. But those employees were fully expecting to be working by this point and may need that money. I'm also not sure how much is being done for contractors or temp employees who were hired in October or November but who haven't been able to go through onboarding and start work because of the shut-down. I'm skeptical that enough is being done now, and if there's the help available, they aren't getting the word out well enough. All the folks going on MSNBC should be constantly plugging those programs, and they should be getting with union reps to get the word out to the employee base. I know a lot of folks who work for the federal government in Austin, and most have very little information.


But they didn't pick the battle. Trump shoved the battle in their face.

Yes, they picked this battle. That doesn't make them the bad guys or whatever, but they did choose to fight this rather than just acquiescing to Trump.

[Blake]

Like you understood a word of it. Go lick your 7 year wounds :lol

"Need" is synonymous with "should" in your post. You can take as many personal shots as you want, post as many walls of text as you want, but it won't change it.

You should/need to just own it.

[Pavlov]

:lol relevant.. like congress reads ST before voting.Exactly. You strive to be an NPC in every possible way on this board like someone is tracking you and keeping score. Are you going to be punished if you have an actual take?

[Blake]

So you are a home maker? :lmao

My bitch.

[Blake]

Some employees aren't getting back pay. Folks who were already on end-of-year furlough just weren't recalled, so they aren't getting compensated for lost hours. But those employees were fully expecting to be working by this point and may need that money. I'm also not sure how much is being done for contractors or temp employees who were hired in October or November but who haven't been able to go through onboarding and start work because of the shut-down. I'm skeptical that enough is being done now, and if there's the help available, they aren't getting the word out well enough. All the folks going on MSNBC should be constantly plugging those programs, and they should be getting with union reps to get the word out to the employee base. I know a lot of folks who work for the federal government in Austin, and most have very little information.

Who exactly isn't getting back pay?




Yes, they picked this battle. That doesn't make them the bad guys or whatever, but they did choose to fight this rather than just acquiescing to Trump.

You have this thing with jumbling up semantics.

They picked not to have their lunch money taken from the school bully

[DMC]

"Need" is synonymous with "should" in your post. You can take as many personal shots as you want, post as many walls of text as you want, but it won't change it.

You should/need to just own it.

ad nauseum lapdog argument fails at the onset .. details at 10

[DMC]

Exactly. You strive to be an NPC in every possible way on this board like someone is tracking you and keeping score. Are you going to be punished if you have an actual take?

You seem to want to know everyone's stance on everything instead of addressing the point. To you, the topic never matters, just the ability to get someone to adopt a stance you can later parody. You fail every time with me and it burns your ass. :lol

[DMC]

My bitch.

Coming from you it doesn't sound so confining, knowing your history.

[Blake]

ad nauseum lapdog argument fails at the onset .. details at 10

Right, that's why you're still posting walls of text in defense mode.

It's a battle you shouldn't have picked.

[Chinook]

Who exactly isn't getting back pay?

I just listed people. Essentially, you have to be a full-time or seasonal employee in work status to qualify. If you were already on furlough (or were a contractor), you just didn't get called back yet. Once the shutdown lifts, those folks will get call-backs from their managers to change their status. THEN, if there's a second shutdown, they'd get back pay for whatever subsequent time they'd miss.


They picked not to have their lunch money taken from the school bully

It's not a semantic thing. Choosing which situations in which to fight back is what the phrase "picking your battles" means.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pick+your+battles

You're always "justified" to defend yourself against a bully, but there are definitely times when doing so is more or less advantageous than normal. Maybe speaking up when you're near adults is a good battle and choosing to throw hands behind the gym when no one is there but you two and the bully's entourage is a bad time.

[DMC]

I just listed people. Essentially, you have to be a full-time or seasonal employee in work status to qualify. If you were already on furlough (or were a contractor), you just didn't get called back yet. Once the shutdown lifts, those folks will get call-backs from their managers to change their status. THEN, if there's a second shutdown, they'd get back pay for whatever subsequent time they'd miss.



It's not a semantic thing. Choosing which situations in which to fight back is what the phrase "picking your battles" means.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pick+your+battles

You're always "justified" to defend yourself against a bully, but there are definitely times when doing so is more or less advantageous than normal. Maybe speaking up when you're near adults is a good battle and choosing to throw hands behind the gym when no one is there but you two and the bully's entourage is a bad time.
aka you have only so many silver bullets. How do you want to use them? Every noise in the night isn't a monster.

[Th'Pusher]

Again with this need to educate me. I took government in high school too. I know how the separation of powers works. What I'm saying is that prolonged political fights hurts both sides, so constantly acting like this is only going to hurt Trump because he started it is foolish.

This is kind of funny coming from the guy who didn’t remember the last time there was a government shutdown. This shutdown isn’t changing anyone’s vote.

[Chinook]

This is kind of funny coming from the guy who didn’t remember the last time there was a government. This shutdown isn’t changing anyone’s vote.

First off, I didn't say I didn't remember the last shutdown. I said I didn't remember why it was shut down. That highlights my point (that people really don't care about why; they only care about what), not refutes it. No one's vote's going to change? Maybe. But folks don't have to start liking Trump to hurt Democrats. They just have to not show up as enthusiastically in 2020. Or they just have to rebel again in the primary and split the party between the establishment candidate they're probably going to try to run and the the more radical alternative.

[clambake]

I didn't say that. Doing the right thing isn't exclusive to party. The question was directly about the Democrats.

umm, trump did this and turned every republican politician and supporter into trump minions.


you can say it. we know

[Th'Pusher]

First off, I didn't say I didn't remember the last shutdown. I said I didn't remember why it was shut down. That highlights my point (that people really don't care about why; they only care about what), not refutes it. No one's vote's going to change? Maybe. But folks don't have to start liking Trump to hurt Democrats. They just have to not show up as enthusiastically in 2020. Or they just have to rebel again in the primary and split the party between the establishment candidate they're probably going to try to run and the the more radical alternative.

So your theory is that democrats not caving to trump is going to suppress voter turnout in 2020? I don’t buy that for a second. You could make the counterargument that the democratic vote would be suppressed by the establishment caving to trump on the wall.

[Th'Pusher]

In my original post, I made the term "need" contingent upon the wants of the party I am not even part of. I do not agree with your use of the word "should". I think it's sloppy. Something that is contingent isn't a "should" it's a "need", as should implies "ought to" while need implies "must". Your example would be true if I was giving advice.. "If you want to get your license, you should study" but I wasn't "If a person wants to pass their exam, they need to study" is more of an observation, not advice. "Ought to" is usually advice. It implies "I wish you would" but I don't have any such wishes for the democratic party.

Either way, Chump intentionally disregarded the fact that the term was contingent upon the wants of the democratic party and instead tried to spin it to represent a contradiction where one simply did not exist. He seems to hate it when someone won't play his yes or no game so he has to select for you.

You can tell DMC has lost an argument when he turns into a pedant.

[DMC]

You can tell DMC has lost an argument when he turns into a pedant.

Lap dog 3 checking in!

Like clockwork :lol

[spurraider21]

Lap dog 3 checking in!

Like clockwork :lol
yeah bro!

#winning

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[Winehole23]

The Internal Revenue Service is recalling more than half of its workforce for the upcoming tax season, meaning more than 46,000 people will be forced to work without pay.https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/irs-employees-back-to-work-tax-refunds-government-shutdown

[Pavlov]

You seem to want to know everyone's stance on everything instead of addressing the point. To you, the topic never matters, just the ability to get someone to adopt a stance you can later parody. You fail every time with me and it burns your ass. :lol:lol your fear of saying what you think is all I need, tough guy.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Chinook tries so hard on here
Biggest pseudo-intellectual blowhard I’ve ever come across on the internet :lol

[ElNono]

This is all politics. Dems simply have the much better hand, they can pass bill after bill funding shut down government agencies, and then just point the finger to the Senate for not wanting to bring them to a vote and expose the President to a veto.

There's really two outcomes more likely to happen: pressure will mount in the Senate, cocaine Mitch will let the POTUS know when the brink is near, Orangina will declare a national emergency to 'win anyway' and bitch how the democrats could've avoided all the pain by giving him the most beautiful wall ever 'he got anyway'. Second option is Dennison continues to wait it out until early March when the debt ceiling comes into play, he'll double down on stupid and hope the Democrats eventually act like the adults in the room.

[Spurtacular]

umm, trump did this and turned every republican politician and supporter into trump minions.


you can say it. we know

Tough words for a cuck.

[DMC]

yeah bro!

#winning

You must be part of the #MeNeither movement.. the group who couldn't get laid.

[clambake]

Tough words for a cuck.

good one, slurp.

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/dsupervilleap/status/1085283776115150849?s=19


Guns slipping past TSA and I expect fraud to increase significantly

https://twitter.com/MarinHumane/status/1084951274276016129?s=19

[Winehole23]

OH GAHD NO NOT THE STATE OF THE UNION

1085546417425403904

[Winehole23]

1085537770599317510

[Chinook]

:lol Chinook tries so hard on here


Biggest pseudo-intellectual blowhard I’ve ever come across on the internet :lol

:rolleyes

Do either of you guys actually disagree with the idea that folks care more about how something affects them than "the bigger picture"? It's sort of pathetic that you label that as trying hard or intellectual. That's just common sense. What isn't is trying to act like arguments on constitutional theory are more persuasive.

[Spurs Homer]

President Pelosi just took away Trumps little Hannity shitshow in front of the cameras.


:lol:lol

Something that dickless Paul Ryan the Russian agent never would have had the ballsack to do!

:lol:lol

[boutons_deux]

For the second time, McConnell blocks vote on bill that would reopen government (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/15/1826513/-McConnell-blocks-vote-on-bill-that-would-reopen-government-for-the-second-time)

12 Number of times that Mitch McConnell passed bills out of the Senate, even though Barack Obama had already said (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-pledges-to-veto-effort-to-undo-automatic-spending-cuts/)he would veto those bills.

3 Number of times in just the last two weeks that Mitch McConnell has wasted the Senate’s time (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-shutdown-smashes-record-for-longest-ever-mcconnells-senate-will-argue-about-israel-b43abf20f25f/)by calling a vote on an Israel bill that he knows will not pass.

2 Number of times Mitch McConnell has blocked a vote (https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1085266656056823809)on a bill that would reopen the government.

0 Number of times that Mitch McConnell has done anything at all to challenge Trump and uphold the constitutional authority of the Senate.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/15/1826513/-McConnell-blocks-vote-on-bill-that-would-reopen-government-for-the-second-time?detail=emaildkre

[Chinook]

You’re such a smart boy!

Thanks. I clearly try very hard to sound smart on a message board.

[TSA]

This is all politics. Dems simply have the much better hand, they can pass bill after bill funding shut down government agencies, and then just point the finger to the Senate for not wanting to bring them to a vote and expose the President to a veto.

There's really two outcomes more likely to happen: pressure will mount in the Senate, cocaine Mitch will let the POTUS know when the brink is near, Orangina will declare a national emergency to 'win anyway' and bitch how the democrats could've avoided all the pain by giving him the most beautiful wall ever 'he got anyway'. Second option is Dennison continues to wait it out until early March when the debt ceiling comes into play, he'll double down on stupid and hope the Democrats eventually act like the adults in the room.

Interesting theory about the shutdown being floated here

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job. It is all explained by Michael Roberts here https://www.thebalancecareers.com/reduction-in-force-1669479 (updated after the beginning of the partial shutdown):

A reduction in force is a thoughtful and systematic elimination of positions. For all practical purposes, a government RIF is the same thing as a layoff...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/trumps_shutdown_trap.html

[Pavlov]

TSA still pushing the "Trump is a super genius and not just an angry old white dude making decisions after watching Fox News" narrative.

[Spurminator]

Anything sounds better than "President of the United States continues stubborn tantrum for unpopular wall," I guess, but I'm not sure mass public layoffs is great strategery.

[apalisoc_9]

Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. Fuck him tbh.

Wow. DC is a shithole but its that expansive? Crazy.

This shutdown is really going to make life difficult for average folks. Sad.

[Spurs Homer]

Interesting theory about the shutdown being floated here

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job. It is all explained by Michael Roberts here https://www.thebalancecareers.com/reduction-in-force-1669479 (updated after the beginning of the partial shutdown):

A reduction in force is a thoughtful and systematic elimination of positions. For all practical purposes, a government RIF is the same thing as a layoff...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/trumps_shutdown_trap.html




:lol:lol:lol


"uh - I'll take - whatever shit sticks to the wall spaghetti theory for 200 , Alex?"

:lol:lol



Just as likely that Trumps 4d chess - was really - just shutdown the gov't to distract from his crimes :lol:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Biggest pseudo-intellectual blowhard I’ve ever come across on the internet :lol

You should check his basketball takes upstairs. Its no different.

[Chinook]

I really hope you meant that unironically, Bright Boy :lmao

I didn't. I looked up "unironically", but I wouldn't tell you that, because then you'd realize I'm not as smart as I pretend to be on a message board.

[LkrFan]

Wow. DC is a shithole but its that expansive? Crazy.

This shutdown is really going to make life difficult for average folks. Sad.

Dude, D.C. ain't a shithole. Not by any stretch of the imagination. :lol

[hater]

Wow. DC is a shithole but its that expansive? Crazy.

This shutdown is really going to make life difficult for average folks. Sad.

DC is actually more expensive than every single US metro area outside San Jose, San Francisco

I have few properties there

[boutons_deux]

Trump accidentally destroyed the GOP’s ridiculous myth about running the government ‘like a business’

Donald Trump ordered tens of thousands of federal employees (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/trump-democrats-shutdown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage) to return to work with no pay and no immediate hope of getting paid.

Those being forced to work without pay are clearly chosen to keep Republican voters, the only voters Trump cares about, from losing government services.

IRS employees are being forced to process tax returns.

Interior Department employees are being forced to process oil and gas leases,

so wealthy conservative businessmen don’t lose out on profit opportunities.

Getting people to work for him and refusing to pay them was a major component of Trump’s business operations.

As USA Today documented during the 2016 campaign (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/),

literally hundreds of contractors had horror stories about Trump stiffing them,

in some cases so badly that it ruined their businesses.

He hired contractors to do expensive work and then refused to pay them,

knowing that most of them simply couldn’t afford the legal fees that would be required to force him to pay up what he owed in court.

He also, as the same story reported, had been

cited 24 times by the federal government since 2005 for failure to pay employees overtime or minimum wage.

Trump himself has bragged about how he swindles (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-bills-specialrepor-idUSKCN0T214Q20151113) contractors, saying, “I fight like hell to pay as little as possible,” and

portraying it as a smart business practice — which is dubious, as

he’s also spent a fortune on lawyers to get out of paying contractors.As president, Trump now has a power he never had as a grifting real estate developer:

The ability to force people to work for him for free. No tricks or expensive lawyers are necessary.

Trump ran his business operations into the ground repeatedly, asevidenced by his at least six bankruptcies (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/).

Trump administration is admitting that

the negative economic impact is twice (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/government-shutdown-economy.html) what it had initially claimed. That likely means it’s far worse than that,

Now Trump is trying to play the same game with the border wall that he played with his casinos:

Tell a bunch of lies about what it will cost, in the hope that he can extract more money from the suckers down the road.
The $5.7 billion Trump has demanded for the wall falls far short of what the wall he promised would actually cost,

which has been estimated to be anywhere (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-billions-unseen-costs-gao-report-2018-8) between $25 billion and $70 billion.

Those numbers don’t even include the maintenance costs or potential staffing that would be needed to police the wall.

trying to employ his failed business strategies in the casino business to the wall-building enterprise.

Trump has been pretty open about his belief that this is his best strategy.

He keeps using language (https://www.texastribune.org/2018/03/23/donald-trump-border-wall-16-million-funding-restrictions-attached/) like “initial down payment” and

insinuating that once the process of building the wall starts, the rest of the money will somehow magically appear to finish it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/trump-accidentally-destroyed-gops-ridiculous-myth-running-government-like-business/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[hater]

Dude, D.C. ain't a shithole. Not by any stretch of the imagination. :lol

Sure not a complete shithole but Still its overpriced as hell

Basic apt house in the district is minimum 400k im talking 2 bedroom shithole

Its nuts

[Chinook]

Cheer up, Bright Boy, you can always brag about choosing to read Star Wars novelizations over watching the movie.

Could always choose to not try to bring up stuff from three years ago too. But anyway, I enjoyed the book, while most folks seemed to hate the movie. Still think I got the better end of that deal. Read Rogue One as well. They didn't make a real novelization of Last Jedi, only a kids' version. Thought the movie was okay. Hope IX has a novel. I can read the book and then see the movie, but I can't go the other way around.

[apalisoc_9]

DC is actually more expensive than every single US metro area outside San Jose, San Francisco

I have few properties there

Nice.

Dem putin money giving you a decent return.

[LkrFan]

Sure not a complete shithole but Still its overpriced as hell

Basic apt house in the district is minimum 400k im talking 2 bedroom shithole

Its nuts

No disagreements here, when you frame it that way. It's like $80 for a Happy Meal! :lmao

[hater]

No disagreements here, when you frame it that way. It's like $80 for a Happy Meal! :lmao

And I dont understand ppl wanting to buy their first home in the District. Why pay $450k for a 2 bedroom shithole??

- its way way overpriced for what you get
- most jobs are actually in VA and MD so commute is not really a huge issue
- DC is nice but no South Beach or Venice Beach or even SanFran so I dont see why ppl want to live in it
- yes weed is legal now but doubt thats a selling point as plenty of weed easy to obtain anywhere

IMO idiots justwant to be trendy and say they live in DC. Makes no sense to me as you ca have a decent townhouse for mich less money in VA. Not to mention better hoods and schools

Its these millenial idiots that are driving up the prices in dc. Thinking their brand new govmt contract or job will last forever :lol

[hater]

Well that and the fact that Uncle Sam is turning DC metro area into a Rome like imperial capital

Probably for defensive purposes tbqh

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jennfranconews/status/1085639637157085185


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F322180 e0df7378560f7f85cff2c57a1e%2Ftenor.gif&f=1

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/jennfranconews/status/1085639637157085185


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F322180 e0df7378560f7f85cff2c57a1e%2Ftenor.gif&f=1Trump "approves" bill passed with completely veto-proof majority in both houses.

:lmaoQhris

[Spurminator]

Yes, good job, President of the United States, signing your name to legislation pushed through by Tim Kaine.

[Spurminator]

President Big Boy signs his name, basement incels flog themselves in praise.

[boutons_deux]

From a nextdoor.com post



Communication Specialist Lilliana Gonzalez, San Antonio Water System (https://nextdoor.com/profile/8007433?lc=61178&ct=gnF8Y3kHIYEhbdftMsef70aqU1u0VsXoVq2JS1wH9jj-nOVResxVwG_LuLwMMvV8&ec=iD9EVf8Fqz_GipY9l9G7ig==&token=LLFCGCODxQa67cgdcSNoYlKG6LgGTRuVcoJ6pTcyZNcB zasgBHhy6iRPISpftfNh0tNDy_CqAdfet32pJSuQm7YBuCNMlq WKplEVjoZ9BN4%3D) AGENCY









If you are a furloughed federal employee,

we want to remind you that you can contact Customer Service Mon.-Fri. from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. at 210-704-SAWS (7297)

to make payment arrangements and ensure you maintain your water service.

We understand that the government shutdown is causing financial stress to federal workers in San Antonio.

SAWS payment arrangement are available for exactly this type of situation. (https://nextdoor.com/news_feed/?post=100793400&lc=61179&ct=gnF8Y3kHIYEhbdftMsef70aqU1u0VsXoVq2JS1wH9jj-nOVResxVwG_LuLwMMvV8&ec=iD9EVf8Fqz_GipY9l9G7ig==&token=LLFCGCODxQa67cgdcSNoYlKG6LgGTRuVcoJ6pTcyZNcB zasgBHhy6iRPISpftfNh0tNDy_CqAdfet32pJSuQm7YBuCNMlq WKplEVjoZ9BN4%3D&is=npe)

[ElNono]

Interesting theory about the shutdown being floated here

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Stupid. I mean, unless Trump is tired of being president and he doesn't want re-election.

[spurraider21]

Stupid. I mean, unless Trump is tired of being president and he doesn't want re-election.
when in doubt, 4D Chess

[Monostradamus]

Interesting theory about the shutdown being floated here

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job. It is all explained by Michael Roberts here https://www.thebalancecareers.com/reduction-in-force-1669479 (updated after the beginning of the partial shutdown):

A reduction in force is a thoughtful and systematic elimination of positions. For all practical purposes, a government RIF is the same thing as a layoff...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/trumps_shutdown_trap.html
I’ll have to consider this theory over some pizza tbh.

[ElNono]

when in doubt, 4D Chess

He just signed off backpay for all those guys he's about to fire... 5D Chess.

[spurraider21]

He just signed off backpay for all those guys he's about to fire... 5D Chess.
:lol shit my bad

[boutons_deux]

Ajit Pai Refuses to Brief Lawmakers Over Phone-Tracking Scandal, Dubiously Blames Shutdown (https://gizmodo.com/ajit-pai-refuses-to-brief-lawmakers-over-phone-tracking-1831750774)Saying there is no legal reason why Ajit Pai should rebuff an invitation to brief lawmakers during the government shutdown,

the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Monday

criticized the FCC head for refusing to appear for a briefing

about the ongoing controversy (https://gizmodo.com/phone-companies-pinky-swear-theyll-stop-selling-your-lo-1831657727#_ga=2.16797617.904070764.1547496739-1652034957.1547083687) over Americans’ real-time location data being disclosed to unauthorized third-parties.

https://gizmodo.com/ajit-pai-refuses-to-brief-lawmakers-over-phone-tracking-1831750774

BigNetwork whore telling Dems to GFY

[Monostradamus]

Ajit Pai Refuses to Brief Lawmakers Over Phone-Tracking Scandal, Dubiously Blames Shutdown (https://gizmodo.com/ajit-pai-refuses-to-brief-lawmakers-over-phone-tracking-1831750774)

Saying there is no legal reason why Ajit Pai should rebuff an invitation to brief lawmakers during the government shutdown,

the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Monday

criticized the FCC head for refusing to appear for a briefing

about the ongoing controversy (https://gizmodo.com/phone-companies-pinky-swear-theyll-stop-selling-your-lo-1831657727#_ga=2.16797617.904070764.1547496739-1652034957.1547083687) over Americans’ real-time location data being disclosed to unauthorized third-parties.

https://gizmodo.com/ajit-pai-refuses-to-brief-lawmakers-over-phone-tracking-1831750774

BigNetwork whore telling Dems to GFY



Yeah, but he’s got an oversized Reese’s mug, he’s a real life Michael Scott! No way he could really be evil!

[Will Hunting]

President Big Boy signs his name, basement incels flog themselves in praise.
:lmao

[hater]

LOL our cell companies selling our location data to Dog the Bounty Hunter :lmao

Thats like selling shit to the lowest of the low gottdam they have no fucking respect

[pgardn]

DC is actually more expensive than every single US metro area outside San Jose, San Francisco

I have few properties there

Who does the upkeep?

[hater]

Rental properties ma nig

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50485438_287702735262054_2711439547186544640_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeFeC-3Atvh_2vK9pbGR0Awka6V7AKX3N1yJM_v6g2D8qoYfAPhN0PRk-e9kdQxsydPaP77F_JB0zvlLd5bKy4KJz6BLsVLCx9nzmGCkusv 0fA&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=74fa754195e91c0c9d26207872e9a853&oe=5CBCAD57

[Spurminator]

This thing has real human cost even outside of federal workers. Pelosi vs. Trump sniping makes good headlines and is entertaining at times, but this family probably isn't finding any of it very funny.

1086020341330337792

[clambake]

This thing has real human cost even outside of federal workers. Pelosi vs. Trump sniping makes good headlines and is entertaining at times, but this family probably isn't finding any of it very funny.

1086020341330337792

no no there is no future for this brewpub.


the browns will destroy it.


the only way they survive is with a wall.

[pgardn]

Rental properties ma nig

So what?

Who does the upkeep?
Commercial or residential?

You are a big fat liar.

[BD24]

So what?

Who does the upkeep?
Commercial or residential?

You are a big fat liar.
Clearly. Hater doesn’t have any properties in DC. The fact the moron thinks it is more expensive than New York is telling

[boutons_deux]

Coal Bear is selling mugs to help the unpaid Fed workers

​100% of The Late Show's profits from this mug will benefit World Central Kitchen, which is feeding federal workers going unpaid during the government shutdown. It also works as a mug even if you do get paid. Buy a lot of them!

https://www.cbsstore.com/product/Z1AMCBS958/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert-shutdown-mug?cp=67908_99044_82567_82437

[boutons_deux]

Pornhub reports bump in traffic amid government shutdown

https://mashable.com/article/pornhub-government-shutdown-traffic/?europe=true#.rMkzC8nSmqq

[hater]

Clearly. Hater doesn’t have any properties in DC. The fact the moron thinks it is more expensive than New York is telling

DC metro is a more expensive city overall than NY metro retard

I didnt say DC real estate is more than Manhattan mantard :lol

But you can believe whatever you want

[hater]

Oh in regards to peegarden question

Residential of course. Upkeep? They are apts not much upkeep besides seldom angies list tbqh

[Winehole23]

One sad reality of the shutdown is that the US Senate is closed for purposes of reopening government, but open regarding relaxing sanctions on Russians including one guy tied to convicted felon Paul Manafort.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxJOdMAX0AA0RBr.jpg

[boutons_deux]

One sad reality of the shutdown is that the US Senate is closed for purposes of reopening government,


and DoJ is open for approving offshore gas/oil leases, and

delivering to Adelson the ruling he purchased that all online gambling

"The U.S. Justice Department now says that all internet gambling is illegal."

http://fortune.com/2019/01/15/online-gambling-illegal-doj/

iow, the oligarchy/Capital is mostly immune from the shutdown, while non-oligarchy, Labor is fucked.

[BD24]

DC metro is a more expensive city overall than NY metro retard

I didnt say DC real estate is more than Manhattan mantard :lol

But you can believe whatever you want
No, it isn’t. I’ll get the links to show you later retard.

[MultiTroll]

What % of the time do most Federal employees jerk off while on duty?

[Winehole23]

What % of the time do most Federal employees jerk off while on duty?Depends.

Did you mean US armed forces, TSA, Border Patrol, the Coast Guard or air traffic controllers?

[hater]

What % of the time do most Federal employees jerk off while on duty?

Duty is a big word

Id say 99%

[Winehole23]

Food relief for federal serfs:

1086330881252327424

[FrostKing]

Food relief for federal serfs:

1086330881252327424
The racist Russophobia from Democrats is alarming

[Winehole23]

That's not what you're seeing from Tom Nichols, who's not a Dem (he's a former Nixon staffer, NatSec advisor and War College Prof), but it's true there's a bunch of dimwitted Russia- baiting by the Dems.

I doubt it has anything to do with the Russians being Slavs, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

Depends.

Did you mean US armed forces, TSA, Border Patrol, the Coast Guard or air traffic controllers?

... don't forget nuclear ICBM silo staff

[Monostradamus]

The racist Russophobia from Democrats is alarming
Yeah, we’re not used to that type of 3rd world Caucasian subspecies bullshit.

[Pavlov]

The racist Russophobia from Democrats is alarmingYou'd think Poles would have learned their lesson.

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/nanawithbanana/status/1086208051479265280
ducks

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086395559504764930

[spurraider21]

disingenuously claiming a national emergency is his only out tbh...

:lol best deal-maker :lol

[benefactor]

Yep...here comes the emergency card. Jesus what a fucking child

[Will Hunting]

Yep...here comes the emergency card. Jesus what a fucking child
Works for me, gets the government reopened while there’s egg on his face and the Dems didn’t cave.

[ElNono]

He's gonna triple-down... IMO

[baseline bum]

Works for me, gets the government reopened while there’s egg on his face and the Dems didn’t cave.

Except he's basically king if the courts don't stop him

[Will Hunting]

Except he's basically king if the courts don't stop him
I don’t see Roberts siding with him on that but could be wrong.

[BD24]

DC metro is a more expensive city overall than NY metro retard

I didnt say DC real estate is more than Manhattan mantard :lol

But you can believe whatever you want
As promised, here you go retard. Even added multiple list so you didn't bitch about it just being one

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/09/12/cost-live-america-most-expensive-cities/37748097/

https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/cost-of-living-san-francisco-new-york-boston-most-expensive-cities.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/america-most-expensive-places-to-live-2018-5

https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/real-estate/T006-S001-most-expensive-u-s-cities-to-live-in-2018/index.html

I think you get the point

https://media.giphy.com/media/aSTJbOerwCKqc/giphy.gif

[baseline bum]

I don’t see Roberts siding with him on that but could be wrong.

Did you see Roberts siding with Obama though?

[MultiTroll]

Depends.
TSA,
TSA Misses 70% Of Fake Weapons But That's An Improvement

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/#76a69baa2a38

Are you supplying any ER bottles of Jergens?

[hater]

As promised, here you go retard. Even added multiple list so you didn't bitch about it just being one

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/09/12/cost-live-america-most-expensive-cities/37748097/

https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/cost-of-living-san-francisco-new-york-boston-most-expensive-cities.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/america-most-expensive-places-to-live-2018-5

https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/real-estate/T006-S001-most-expensive-u-s-cities-to-live-in-2018/index.html

I think you get the point

https://media.giphy.com/media/aSTJbOerwCKqc/giphy.gif

Fucking retard :lol your links are from over 6 months ago :lmao :lol :lmao

Dumbass

[Winehole23]

Jack off donations?

Your hobby horse, not mine. : tu

[MultiTroll]

Your hobby horse, not mine. : tu
It was stupid the 1st time you said it too.

So are you gonna dip, dodge, duck and weave?


TSA Misses 70% Of Fake Weapons But That's An Improvement

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/#76a69baa2a38


Are you supplying any ER bottles of Jergens?

[BD24]

Fucking retard :lol your links are from over 6 months ago :lmao :lol :lmao

Dumbass
:lol

i knew your dumb ass was going to play that card.

Pretending cost of living has changed that much in 6 months :lol

just take your L faggot

[Winehole23]

It was stupid the 1st time you said it too.That was the first time I said it. You must have me confused with someone elae.

[Chris]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/M-19-07.pdf


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOjNzpUcAAGfjF.jpg:large


:tu

[Chris]

Democrats’ Shutdown Deal: Amnesty for 1.5M Illegal Alien Farm Workers


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/18/democrats-shutdown-deal-amnesty-for-1-5m-illegal-alien-farm-workers/


What a surprise.

[ElNono]

Democrats’ Shutdown Deal: Amnesty for 1.5M Illegal Alien Farm Workers


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/18/democrats-shutdown-deal-amnesty-for-1-5m-illegal-alien-farm-workers/


What a surprise.

link to the proposed bill?

:lol breibart

[Chris]

link to the proposed bill?

:lol breibart

Go find it yourself faggot. I'll give you a hint:

CFBF Agricultural Worker Program Act

[ElNono]

Go find it yourself faggot. I'll give you a hint:

CFBF Agricultural Worker Program Act

Already found it...

Blue card status is limited to eight years.

:lol Amnesty
:lol Breibart
:lol Fake News Chris

[Winehole23]

take failed at inception as usual.

no wonder he hides behind silly memes and RTs.

[Pavlov]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/M-19-07.pdf


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOjNzpUcAAGfjF.jpg:large


:tuTrump's wife can fly to Florida to get away from him tho:tu

[boutons_deux]

Gov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administration

In a public display of defiance, Gov. Gavin Newsom encouraged Transportation Security Administration employees to apply for unemployment insurance through the state

after the Trump administration warned California that the workers are ineligible for the benefits during the federal shutdown.

“The good news is, we’re going to do it and shame on them,” Newsom said to TSA workers gathered at a hastily planned event at Sacramento International Airport on Thursday.

“They are, in essence, threatening us for doing what we’re doing.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-california-tsa-workers-shutdown-20190117-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

CA always lead the country better than ANY red/slave state.

[ducks]

Examining Shutdown Claims from Democrats


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/examining-shutdown-claims-from-democrats/ar-BBSrffu?li=BBnb7Kz

[CosmicCowboy]

Gov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administration

In a public display of defiance, Gov. Gavin Newsom encouraged Transportation Security Administration employees to apply for unemployment insurance through the state

after the Trump administration warned California that the workers are ineligible for the benefits during the federal shutdown.

“The good news is, we’re going to do it and shame on them,” Newsom said to TSA workers gathered at a hastily planned event at Sacramento International Airport on Thursday.

“They are, in essence, threatening us for doing what we’re doing.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-california-tsa-workers-shutdown-20190117-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

CA always lead the country better than ANY red/slave state.




So do they have to pay it back when they get their back pay?