How a Pro-Vaccine Doctor Reopened Debate About Link to Autism

[Chris]

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/measles_vaccine_01122019_1.jpg?itok=NceDBE1F



A world-renowned pro-vaccine medical expert is the newest voice adding to the body of evidence suggesting that vaccines can cause autism in certain susceptible children.

Pediatric neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman originally served as the expert medical witness for the government, which defends vaccines in federal vaccine court. He had testified that vaccines do not cause autism in specific patients.

Dr. Zimmerman now has signed a bombshell sworn affidavit. He says that, during a group of 5,000 vaccine-autism cases being heard in court on June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers he worked for defending vaccines and told them he’d discovered “exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.”

“I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder,” Dr. Zimmerman now states. He said his opinion was based on “scientific advances” as well as his own experience with patients.

For the government and vaccine industry’s own pro-vaccine expert to have this scientific opinion stood to change everything about the vaccine-autism debate — if people were to find out.

But they didn’t.

Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.

What’s worse, he says the DOJ went on to misrepresent his opinion in federal vaccine court to continue to debunk vaccine-autism claims.

Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite.

Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved. (The inspector general’s office said it cannot comment on investigations or potential investigations.)

As a backdrop, it helps to understand how vaccine injury claims are handled in the United States.

Congress created the special vaccine court in 1988, in consultation with the pharmaceutical industry. In this special court, hearings are private and vaccine makers don’t defend their products — the federal government does it for them, using DOJ lawyers. Money for victims comes from us, not from the pharmaceutical industry, through patient fees added to every vaccine given.

Rolf Hazlehurst is the parent of one autistic child whom Dr. Zimmerman states got autism from vaccination. A criminal prosecutor, Hazlehurst told congressional staffers at a briefing in 2013 that “if I did to a criminal in a court of law what the United States Department of Justice did to vaccine-injured children, I would be disbarred and I would be facing criminal charges. I think that scared the hell out of them.” An upcoming House Oversight hearing on the topic was abruptly cancelled.

Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion mirrors that of another pro-vaccine medical expert — the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former director of the National Institutes of Health. And it lines up with what the head of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Immunization Safety, Dr. Frank DeStefano, told me in 2014. When asked about vaccines triggering autism in certain susceptible children, DeStefano acknowledged it as possible.

“I guess that, that is a possibility,” said DeStefano. “It’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities.”

No known studies have been attempted. However, vaccine court cases show that some children whose autism was triggered by vaccine had unknown pre-existing susceptibilities including Tuberous Scleroris (TS) and mitochondrial disorder. The U.S. vaccine court has paid $4 billion to date, including for injuries in which children ended up with autism but when the plaintiff’s alleged the brain injury using the term “encephalopathy” rather than “autism.”

When asked, the DOJ, the CDC and the pharmaceutical lobby group PhRMA had no comment about Dr. Zimmerman’s affidavit. The primary attorney named in Dr. Zimmerman’s affidavit as having misrepresenting his opinion no longer works for the Justice Department, and did not answer repeated requests for comment for a recent “Full Measure” program on the controversy.

The CDC website currently makes no mention of Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, his published findings or similar studies, or numerous cases in which the government has paid damages in vaccine court to children who — according to the vaccine court and medical experts — got autism as a result of their vaccine injuries. The CDC states unequivocally that “vaccines do not cause autism.”

Scientists say it’s entirely possible to identify conditions most likely to make children susceptible to vaccine injury and to devise a safer vaccination policy to protect them, while continuing a robust vaccine program for the rest.

For the sake of children, Congress should re-examine both sides of the medical science in this case.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/425061-how-a-pro-vaccine-doctor-reopened-debate-about-link-to-autism

[Patty Mills]

You can find turds anywhere. :lol

[Chris]

You can find turds anywhere. :lol

If they haven't been scrubbed from record by the DOJ and CDC :tu

[spurraider21]

from his affidavit:

"There is no scientific basis for a connection between measles, mumps and ruella (MMR) vaccien or mercury (Hg) intoxication and autism. Despite well-intentioneed and thoughtful hypotheses and widespread beliefs about apparent connections with autism and regression, there is no sound evidence to support a causative relationship with exposure to both, or either, MMR and/or Hg."

he later says

"I explained that I was of the opinion that there were exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.

More specifically, I explained that in a subset of children with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves could, and in at least one of my patients, did cause regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."

I dont know why the author chopped up that last sentence to exclude the bold portions to say that "in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder"

those have different meanings.

oh wait, just looked up the author of the opinion piece. that cleared things up

[spurraider21]

not to mention Zimmerman already testified to this exact issue at a deposition more than 2 years ago, talking about how vaccines, fevers, bacterial/viral infections can lead to autism for children with underlying mitochondrial dysfunction. he even discusses how he was asked not to testify back in 2007 or whenever that was

[Chris]

ICYMI:

"Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite.

Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved."

[spurraider21]

here's his full transcript from that deposition

https://bolenreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Andrew-Zimmerman-Deposition.pdf

[spurraider21]

ICYMI:

"Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite.

Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved."
i'm much more interested in direct quotes from the subject than what thoughts some opinion contributor cobbled together.

[DMC]

Now we know what happened to Kawhi.

[Chris]

ICYMI:

Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.

[spurraider21]

so if there are children with a pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction, then they are predisposed to regressive autism, which can be triggered by a particular inflammatory response. that can come in the form of fever, bacterial/viral infection, or certain vaccinations (as vaccines are designed to work exactly that way, causing an inflammatory response). again, that being zimmerman's opinion, and not something that's been peer reviewed or published or anything of the short. but even then, its hardly "damning evidence against vaccines" or anything of the sort.

at his deposition, from the bottom of page 99:

Q: As I understand it, kids with a mitochondrial dysfunction are at risk for regressive autism?

A: Yes.

Q. And the -- there can be some type of triggering inflammatory response that can cause or lead to the regressive autism?

A. Correct

Q. And those -- that science is accepted by the people in your field?

A. Right. People who work in the field of autism see, commonly see a relationship between infections, inflammation and onset of regression.

Q. And vaccines can cause the type of inflammatory response, in fact they're designed to -- to cause the type of inflammatory response that can lead to or trigger a regressive autism?

A. They're designed to lead to an immune response and that may compound the immune response from an infection.

Q. So in other words, kids who -- who have this underlying mitochondrial disorder who are -- have an ongoing infection are at an even higher risk of an injury from the vaccine?

A. When combined, yes.

Q. And as I understand it, sort of the key period or where a child's brain is more at risk for these types of, or is more susceptible to these types of risk is somewhere around a year to 18 months?

A. Or 24 moths, in that area.

[BD24]

Chris can't possibly be this stupid can he?

[spurraider21]

ICYMI:

Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.
yes chrisbot, that is also covered in his deposition. this isn't some recently unearthed bombshell.

on page 49 of the deposition:

"I should add that at the very same time that report, I drafted that report, we were publishing the Poling case. And the reason I believe that I was not called to testify in the Cedillo case was that I told them I think there are rare exceptions, like Poling, and therefore I was not asked to testify."

[spurraider21]

again, when available, primary sources >>

why would you cloud his words by having them translated through a middleman with a clear agenda on the issue? by purposely choosing that option, you're giving that writer a green light to insult your intelligence. they think you're too stupid to understand his 3 page affidavit so they dumb it down and explain it for you.

if you dont want to read the full deposition, you can at least just read his affidavit, which is only a few pages long. instead you're relying on an inaccurate third party source. i already showed exactly where she altered his quotes without giving any indication that she stripped out half the sentence

[spurraider21]

publicly available information for over 2 years, recycled yet another time and called a BOMBSHELL

[Chris]

at his deposition, from the bottom of page 99:

Q: As I understand it, kids with a mitochondrial dysfunction are at risk for regressive autism?

A: Yes.

Q. And the -- there can be some type of triggering inflammatory response that can cause or lead to the regressive autism?

A. Correct

Q. And those -- that science is accepted by the people in your field?

A. Right. People who work in the field of autism see, commonly see a relationship between infections, inflammation and onset of regression.

Q. And vaccines can cause the type of inflammatory response, in fact they're designed to -- to cause the type of inflammatory response that can lead to or trigger a regressive autism?

A. They're designed to lead to an immune response and that may compound the immune response from an infection.

Q. So in other words, kids who -- who have this underlying mitochondrial disorder who are -- have an ongoing infection are at an even higher risk of an injury from the vaccine?

A. When combined, yes.

Q. And as I understand it, sort of the key period or where a child's brain is more at risk for these types of, or is more susceptible to these types of risk is somewhere around a year to 18 months?

A. Or 24 moths, in that area.


hardly "damning evidence against vaccines"


*roll eyes emoji

[Chris]

chrisbot

triggered21 resorts to name-calling.

[ElNono]

again, when available, primary sources >>

why would you cloud his words by having them translated through a middleman with a clear agenda on the issue? by purposely choosing that option, you're giving that writer a green light to insult your intelligence. they think you're too stupid to understand his 3 page affidavit so they dumb it down and explain it for you.

if you dont want to read the full deposition, you can at least just read his affidavit, which is only a few pages long. instead you're relying on an inaccurate third party source. i already showed exactly where she altered his quotes without giving any indication that she stripped out half the sentence


publicly available information for over 2 years, recycled yet another time and called a BOMBSHELL

Plus, science isn't dogma. If Dr Zimmerman has testable evidence that vaccines cause autism, he can write the paper, present the tests, they'll be reproduced and he'll get the credit if true. The problem is, there's no such reproducible test so far, thus no actual evidence.

If you can't prove causality, then there's really no nexus.

[Chris]

publicly available information for over 2 years, recycled yet another time and called a BOMBSHELL

I can't find any other story linking to Zimmerman's affidavit besides this one published on the 6th of this month:

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate


But now Dr. Zimmerman has provided remarkable new information.

Dr. Zimmerman declined our interview request and referred us to his sworn affidavit.

I'm not seeing any recycling here, only fake news from you.

[Winehole23]

oh well, if you cannot find it then it must not exist

[spurraider21]

oh well, if you cannot find it then it must not exist
Especially when i provided the deposition transcript :lol

[Chris]

oh well, if you cannot find it then it must not exist

Show me the older links/news stories.

[Chris]

Especially when i provided the deposition transcript :lol

Show me the "recycling".

[spurraider21]

Show me the "recycling".
Your OP

[Pavlov]

lol another Chrisis to get worked up about

[Chris]

Your OP

Congrats, you're officially in Blake territory with this post. I'll just consider this your white flag, and we can move on. You can just sweep it under the rug.

[Will Hunting]

Now we know what happened to Kawhi.
And to the OP.

[DMC]

And to the OP.

Except Kawhi has been successful through his disability.

[Patty Mills]

Chrissyboy turning into a pro-disease-hippie fucking lib. :lol :lol

[benefactor]

triggered21 resorts to name-calling.

You're a massive faggot. How's that for a take?
Do you ever get tired of kicking your own ass? I mean damn, you are like a guy at church who tells the person beside him that the person in front of him is a cheating piece of shit then heads home and fucks his neighbors wife.

[Will Hunting]

Keep in mind his parents are evil liberals who watch rachel Maddow and probably had him vaccinated.

:cry fuck you, dad! :cry

[Spurminator]

Do you ever get tired of kicking your own ass? I mean damn, you are like a guy at church who tells the person beside him that the person in front of him is a cheating piece of shit then heads home and fucks his neighbors wife.

Ehh, not sure I'd liken Chris with someone who goes to church or fucks.

[Blake]

Ehh, not sure I'd liken Chris with someone who goes to church or fucks.

:lol

[spurraider21]

Congrats, you're officially in Blake territory with this post. I'll just consider this your white flag, and we can move on. You can just sweep it under the rug.
Huh? Dr Zimmerman made these exact comments over 2 years ago. Discusses the same supposed link and the circumstances under which he was not asked to testify.

2 years later, recycle the same story and BOOM bombshell

[benefactor]

Ehh, not sure I'd liken Chris with someone who goes to church or fucks.
Touche :lol

[Chris]

Huh? Dr Zimmerman made these exact comments over 2 years ago. Discusses the same supposed link and the circumstances under which he was not asked to testify.

2 years later, recycle the same story and BOOM bombshell

You're full of shit.

[CitizenDwayne]

This is a dead issue, been debunked a million times. Next.

[spurraider21]

You're full of shit.
where, exactly. please tell me which of these is false

1) I linked you to, and provided various quotes from his publicly available testimony from 2016.

2) Within that testimony, he discussed his belief that with respect to children suffering from an underlying mitochondrial disorder, that inflammatory responses (which are caused by vaccines, but also viral/bacterial infections) can trigger or lead to a regressive autism.

3) In the new affidavit being pimped by Sharyl Attkisson (in the Hill piece you linked), he wrote "More specifically, I explained that in a subset of children with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves could, and in at least one of my patients, did cause regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."

4) In the opinion piece itself, that quote was adjusted to say "I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder."

5) In the 2016 testimony I provided, Zimmerman said "And the reason I believe that I was not called to testify in the Cedillo case was that I told them I think there are rare exceptions, like Poling, and therefore I was not asked to testify."

6) In the affidavit being pimped by Attkisson, Zimmerman wrote "Shortly after I clarified by opinions with the DOJ attorneys, I was contacted by one of the junior DOJ attorneys and informed that I would no longer be needed as an expert witness on behalf of H.H.S. The telephone call in which I was informed that the DOJ would no longer need me as a witness on behalf of H.H.S. occurred after the above referenced conversation on Friday, June 15, 2007, and before Monday, June 18, 2007."

7) Attkisson describes the quote in (4) as a bombshell.

8) That same substantive quote was made in 2016 (2).

[SpursforSix]

Are these underlying mitochondrial dysfunctions generally known ahead of time?
If I was a parent who had a child that was part of these subset, I'd sure want to be advised of the possible danger. Regardless of how small.
Then weigh that against the risk of MMR.

[spurraider21]

Are these underlying mitochondrial dysfunctions generally known ahead of time?
If I was a parent who had a child that was part of these subset, I'd sure want to be advised of the possible danger. Regardless of how small.
Then weigh that against the risk of MMR.
imo this is a fair line of inquiry

yes, these dysfunctions are generally known ahead of time.

also, this purported link, as far as we know, is the opinion of Dr. Zimmerman. To my knowledge, he hasn't even attempted to publish any research on the matter, nor has anybody else. Unless it's been researched/peer-reviewed/published, it won't carry any weight in academia or the professional field

also should be noted that the following exchange took place at the deposition

Q: So you, I think told us that you recommend vaccination of your patients with mitochondrial disorder, right?

A: Yes. Under ideal circumstances.

Q: And do you recommend vaccinations in your children and your patients who have had -- thought to have had a reaction to a vaccine?

A. I do, but again, they should be given under CDC guidelines for immunizations. The child should not be ill, should not have fever, should have no associated illnesses at the time they're vaccinated. And if the child has a known form of mitochondrial dysfunction, not only should they be free of immunization -- free of infections, we can recommend something to prevent inflammation."


So this same guy who raises the concerns STILL says he believes those children should be vaccinated but with additional precautions, such as an anti-inflammatory.

[Blake]

You're full of shit.

:lol you have a horrible sense of self awareness

[SpursforSix]

imo this is a fair line of inquiry

yes, these dysfunctions are generally known ahead of time.

also, this purported link, as far as we know, is the opinion of Dr. Zimmerman. To my knowledge, he hasn't even attempted to publish any research on the matter, nor has anybody else. Unless it's been researched/peer-reviewed/published, it won't carry any weight in academia or the professional field

also should be noted that the following exchange took place at the deposition

Q: So you, I think told us that you recommend vaccination of your patients with mitochondrial disorder, right?

A: Yes. Under ideal circumstances.

Q: And do you recommend vaccinations in your children and your patients who have had -- thought to have had a reaction to a vaccine?

A. I do, but again, they should be given under CDC guidelines for immunizations. The child should not be ill, should not have fever, should have no associated illnesses at the time they're vaccinated. And if the child has a known form of mitochondrial dysfunction, not only should they be free of immunization -- free of infections, we can recommend something to prevent inflammation."


So this same guy who raises the concerns STILL says he believes those children should be vaccinated but with additional precautions, such as an anti-inflammatory.

Fair enough. That being said, in the case of a parent whose kid has one of these dysfunctions, I would understand them not wanting to vaccinate. There's a good chance I wouldn't want to do this.
Where the risk of them getting MMR is small and the risk of them dying from it is extremely small. Compared to the also extremely minute risk of them developing an autism like condition that they'll have for life.

But I realize this is much different from the case the anti-vaccers make.

[spurraider21]

Fair enough. That being said, in the case of a parent whose kid has one of these dysfunctions, I would understand them not wanting to vaccinate.
i wouldn't shape my opinions based on the personal opinion of a doctor unless its based on actual research. of course, that's not typically something you'd ask a doctor during a visit when he gives an opinion. but maybe it should be. as far as we know, this is one guy with an opinion, and not one based on any peer reviewed research


There's a good chance I wouldn't want to do this. Where the risk of them getting MMR is small and the risk of them dying from it is extremely small. Compared to the also extremely minute risk of them developing an autism like condition that they'll have for life.

in a vacuum, this may be true. but we're not in a vacuum. when you have numbers of people having the same thought process, that's when you have issues. minnesota, aside from toddlers flying out of cars, saw a resurgence in measles because enough people there didn't care to vaccinate, because the risk of contracting mmr was considered to be so small. "herd immunity" is important because there are a number of children that for more legitimate and understood reasons, are actually unable to be vaccinated, and rely on the people around them being clean to prevent contracting illness


But I realize this is much different from the case the anti-vaccers make.
yeah, this guy isn't making the claim that there's something inherently dangerous in mmr vaccines. he's saying that generally, inflammatory responses could help trigger regressive autism. that vaccines cause inflammatory responses is obvious, that's how they're designed to work. it's not a hidden danger.

[Chris]

You're full of shit.

[spurraider21]

You're full of shit.


where, exactly. please tell me which of these is false

1) I linked you to, and provided various quotes from his publicly available testimony from 2016.

2) Within that testimony, he discussed his belief that with respect to children suffering from an underlying mitochondrial disorder, that inflammatory responses (which are caused by vaccines, but also viral/bacterial infections) can trigger or lead to a regressive autism.

3) In the new affidavit being pimped by Sharyl Attkisson (in the Hill piece you linked), he wrote "More specifically, I explained that in a subset of children with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves could, and in at least one of my patients, did cause regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."

4) In the opinion piece itself, that quote was adjusted to say "I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder."

5) In the 2016 testimony I provided, Zimmerman said "And the reason I believe that I was not called to testify in the Cedillo case was that I told them I think there are rare exceptions, like Poling, and therefore I was not asked to testify."

6) In the affidavit being pimped by Attkisson, Zimmerman wrote "Shortly after I clarified by opinions with the DOJ attorneys, I was contacted by one of the junior DOJ attorneys and informed that I would no longer be needed as an expert witness on behalf of H.H.S. The telephone call in which I was informed that the DOJ would no longer need me as a witness on behalf of H.H.S. occurred after the above referenced conversation on Friday, June 15, 2007, and before Monday, June 18, 2007."

7) Attkisson describes the quote in (4) as a bombshell.

8) That same substantive quote was made in 2016 (2).

[Patty Mills]

You're full of shit.

Fucking hippie lib. :lol

[vy65]

Chris, were you vaccinated? If so, that's pretty strong evidence of the connection between vaccines and autism.

[vy65]

And to the OP.

Damnit, I thought I got to that low-hanging fruit first ...

[spurraider21]

Do you ever get tired of kicking your own ass? I mean damn, you are like a guy at church who tells the person beside him that the person in front of him is a cheating piece of shit then heads home and fucks his neighbors wife.
you didnt even need to find another post. he literally name called (triggered21) in that very post

[SpursforSix]

i wouldn't shape my opinions based on the personal opinion of a doctor unless its based on actual research. of course, that's not typically something you'd ask a doctor during a visit when he gives an opinion. but maybe it should be. as far as we know, this is one guy with an opinion, and not one based on any peer reviewed research



in a vacuum, this may be true. but we're not in a vacuum. when you have numbers of people having the same thought process, that's when you have issues. minnesota, aside from toddlers flying out of cars, saw a resurgence in measles because enough people there didn't care to vaccinate, because the risk of contracting mmr was considered to be so small. "herd immunity" is important because there are a number of children that for more legitimate and understood reasons, are actually unable to be vaccinated, and rely on the people around them being clean to prevent contracting illness


yeah, this guy isn't making the claim that there's something inherently dangerous in mmr vaccines. he's saying that generally, inflammatory responses could help trigger regressive autism. that vaccines cause inflammatory responses is obvious, that's how they're designed to work. it's not a hidden danger.

These are all good points. And I'm not disagreeing with the logic. But at the end of the day, IF I knew my kid had the dysfunction, and there was a legitimate opinion that said they MIGHT develop autistic like symptoms, then it would be difficult for me to go ahead with the vaccination. Regardless of the maco situation.

Although thinking it through, I suppose we (parents) make decisions contrary to that logic pretty frequently. Meaning exposing our kids to situations that have small risks associated with them. Letting them drive, serving certain foods, etc.

[spurraider21]

These are all good points. And I'm not disagreeing with the logic. But at the end of the day, IF I knew my kid had the dysfunction, and there was a legitimate opinion that said they MIGHT develop autistic like symptoms, then it would be difficult for me to go ahead with the vaccination. Regardless of the maco situation.

Although thinking it through, I suppose we (parents) make decisions contrary to that logic pretty frequently. Meaning exposing our kids to situations that have small risks associated with them. Letting them drive, serving certain foods, etc.
i mean, if your doctor is aware of the mitochondrial issue, and still recommends vaccination provided that the correct precautions are taken (only getting it done during a time when the child is showing ZERO illness, and with anti-inflammatory medication/treatment), then i dont see the need to overrule them based on some article you read on the internet, written by a doctor who himself said he would still recommend vaccination in that situation.

[Spurtacular]

Do you ever get tired of kicking your own ass? I mean damn, you are like a guy at church who tells the person beside him that the person in front of him is a cheating piece of shit then heads home and fucks his neighbors wife.

:lmao Blake still thinks Christianity made him a cuck :lmao

[AaronY]

You're full of shit.
WITTY RETORT!

[boutons_deux]

Anti-vax movement makes 2019 list of top global health threats, but that's not the whole story (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/16/1826740/-Anti-vax-movement-makes-2019-list-of-top-global-health-threats-but-that-s-not-the-whole-story)

The World Health Organization has placed “Vaccine Hesitancy” on its annual list of top global health emergencies. (https://www.who.int/emergencies/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019)

there’s no denying the role that the ever-growing and fact-resistant anti-vax movement,

which includes those who insist the preventative healthcare causes autism, and

those who view vaccination programs as just one part of a massive population controlling conspiracy,

has played on global health in recent decades.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/16/1826740/-Anti-vax-movement-makes-2019-list-of-top-global-health-threats-but-that-s-not-the-whole-story

[Trainwreck2100]

At this point i have no choice but to believe Chris was vaccinated

[Blake]

At this point i have no choice but to believe Chris was vaccinated

And likely had a mitochondrial issue

[Spurtacular]

And likely had a mitochondrial issue

Do you even know what you're talking about, cuck?