**OFFICIAL Conference Championship Thread

[Robz4000]

Patriots are gonna rape the Rams.

[lefty]

:lol again

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao giving it to Burkhead

he won the game

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol Thinking you can beat the GOAT with another gimmick QB

[HarlemHeat37]

Kansas City's white DB is one of the worst players I've ever seen:lol

He had that INT off Edelman's drop, but the Patriots threw it at him all game..

[SpursforSix]

:lol Giving up three 3rd & 10s in a row

Romo calling every play before it happens

[Spurtacular]

Of all the jinx comments on this thread this is ended up being the MVP.

You mean douche comment, tbh. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Game decided on a coin flip. Pathetic.

Agreed

[Will Hunting]

:lol Giving up three 3rd & 10s in a row
:lol this. They were unlucky on the coinflip, but they have no excuse for giving up that many 3rd and long conversion.

[lefty]

So every Native-themed team does that retarded ass chop ? :lol

[Will Hunting]

Greatest reverse jinx of my life :lmao
:lmao

[phxspurfan]

Shouldve been Brady vs Brees tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

Patriots converted 3 3rd and longs on that drive, all against the white safety:lol

White players should be QBs, offensive linemen, kickers, punters, quick catch receivers and TEs..anything else and you're wasting a position..

[Trainwreck2100]

Game decided on a coin flip. Pathetic.

3 3rd and 10 conversions ended the game, there's 2 sides to the field

[Will Hunting]

Where the FUCK is my nigga Boston Pancake

[DAF86]

Kansas City's white DB is one of the worst players I've ever seen:lol

He had that INT off Edelman's drop, but the Patriots threw it at him all game..

He was the only one that did shit on that entire defense, tbh. He was also the one that stopped Burkhead on that 4th down.

[Clipper Nation]

Game decided on a coin flip. Pathetic.
Game was decided by the Chiefs not firing Reid and Sutton years ago.

[redzero]

Game decided on a coin flip. Pathetic.

I can think of far worse ways to lose.

[Trainwreck2100]

Patriots covered 3 3rd and longs on that drive, all against the white safety:lol

meanwhile Romo was literally called 2 of the completions before the snap, and the Chiefs didn't have an idea

[Spurtacular]

Shouldve been Brady vs Brees tbh

Geriatric Bowl :lol

[Silver&Black]

Of all the jinx comments on this thread this is ended up being the MVP.

Are you the poster that was saying that Manning > Brady?

Think it was you. Yes or no?

[Nathan89]

Game decided on a coin flip. Pathetic.

Pretty sure the offense and defense after the coin flip had something to do with it.

[HarlemHeat37]

He was the only one that did shit on that entire defense, tbh. He was also the one that stopped Burkhead on that 4th down.

:lol no, NE targeted him all game, all my football people are showing specific plays on my twitter timeline..

He had a lot of tackles, he was atrocious in coverage..run-stopping safeties are pointless nowadays..

[chunticakes]

What are the lines for the Superbowl?

[AlexJones]

I honestly still don't know how Peyton and Eli beat these guys 5 times.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Braves did it first. Anyone else is lame for copying, tbh....

No, FSU Seminoles did it before them

[resistanze]

Final TOP

44 Min Pats
21 Min Chiefs

:lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol no, NE targeted him all game..

He had a lot of tackles, he was atrocious in coverage..run-stopping safeties are pointless nowadays..
:lol it's true, whenever your safety is racking up tackles, it doesn't mean he's good, it just means the defense sucks.

The Arizona Cardinals' two leading tacklers this year were their two starting safeties.

[SpursforSix]

Pretty sure the offense and defense after the coin flip had something to do with it.

Thats completly missing the point.

[Barfunk]

Son of a bitch! And my Cowboys have not been to one NFC championship game since 1996!

[DAF86]

:lol no, NE targeted him all game, all my football people are showing specific plays on my twitter timeline..

He had a lot of tackles, he was atrocious in coverage..run-stopping safeties are pointless nowadays..

I'm not saying he didn't suck. The entire defense sucked, but at least he was the only one that could muster a couple of positive plays on that end.

[spurraider21]

I honestly still don't know how Peyton and Eli beat these guys 5 times.
:lol “how did Eli beat them”

the giants scored 17 points in the SB win. It was their front 4 doing all the heavy lifting. At least the first time

[Trainwreck2100]

Geriatric Bowl :lol

Shows how shitty the new breed of gimmick QB is, when 40 year olds outplay them every year, because they actually know how to read defenses and coverage and pass the ball rather then run around and throw long bombs.

[lefty]

Pats celebrating live :

https://www.pscp.tv/w/bxUx_DFvTmpsTHlYWHBrand8MXlwS2RPcm9MUmp4V5x1VS8Ajp hhxhRWm0U6GrjpyYFU8mu-jEFy-CxopSPW?t=3m50s

[Bynumite]

5 blacks QB's, all 5 failed to reach the SB. In the end the SuperCam curse was just too much to overcome. May they rest in peace :cry

[Millennial_Messiah]

Patriots converted 3 3rd and longs on that drive, all against the white safety:lol

White players should be QBs, offensive linemen, kickers, punters, quick catch receivers and TEs..anything else and you're wasting a position..

what about ILB's?

[RD2191]

Son of a bitch! And my Cowboys have not been to one NFC championship game since 1996!

Fuckin embarrassing tbh

[Will Hunting]

5 blacks QB's, all 5 failed to reach the SB. In the end the SuperCam curse was just too much to overcome. May they rest in peace :cry
:lol in the end, cold weather & playoff pressure was yet again the downfall of the black QB.

[Will Hunting]

Boston Pancake creating threat :hungry:

[Silver&Black]

Are you the poster that was saying that Manning > Brady?

Think it was you. Yes or no?
DAF86

[spurraider21]

I feel bad for Andy Reid tbh, such a great coach who hasn’t been able to get over the hump. He’s KG in the Duncan era

[HarlemHeat37]

Only way to stop Brady/Belichick/McDaniels is with a historic pass rush(Giants, Broncos)..not just great, but HISTORIC..you can't stop them with anything less, not even with a great scheme since they've already seen everything..

[Trainwreck2100]

Fuckin embarrassing tbh

That's ok cause Dak's gonna take them there






















Dak's not gonna take them there

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol it's true, whenever your safety is racking up tackles, it doesn't mean he's good, it just means the defense sucks.

The Arizona Cardinals' two leading tacklers this year were their two starting safeties.

It means your front 7 can't stop the run

[Millennial_Messiah]

Only way to stop Brady/Belichick/McDaniels is with a historic pass rush(Giants, Broncos)..not just great, but HISTORIC..you can't stop them with anything less, not even with a great scheme since they've already seen everything..

Aaron Donald needs to wake the fuck up

[Trainwreck2100]

Only way to stop Brady/Belichick/McDaniels is with a historic pass rush(Giants, Broncos)..not just great, but HISTORIC..you can't stop them with anything less, not even with a great scheme since they've already seen everything..

Tell that to Philly

[Spurtacular]

Pretty sure the offense and defense after the coin flip had something to do with it.

I was "pretty sure" that whoever got that ball was scoring the TD, tbh.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol in the end, cold weather & playoff pressure was yet again the downfall of the black QB.

Or you know, tape. Just plain old regular tape

[HarlemHeat37]

Tell that to Philly

Philly didn't stop Brady, he dominated that game..I'm pretty sure he had like 400 yards:lol

[Will Hunting]

Tell that to Philly
It wasn't historic, but Philly's pass rush was pretty good. The game against Philly was basically sealed because up the middle pressure led to a Brady fumble.

IMO you can beat them with just a pretty good (not historic) pass rush and a dominant offensive line. You need to dominate in the trenches because you're almost guaranteed to lose the Xs and Os battle.

[HarlemHeat37]

Or you know, tape. Just plain old regular tape

Mahomes was great in the 2nd half, I don't know what game you were watching..

[Trainwreck2100]

Philly didn't stop Brady, he dominated that game..I'm pretty sure he had like 400 yards:lol

L is an L

[Spurtacular]

I'm not saying he didn't suck. The entire defense sucked, but at least he was the only one that could muster a couple of positive plays on that end.

Berry not containing Bronk was disappointing. He was a top 5 draft pick back in the day IIRC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Philly didn't stop Brady, he dominated that game..I'm pretty sure he had like 400 yards:lol

so there's 2 ways to beat New England


have top notch pass rush OR outscore them by dominating on offense for 60 minutes


Chiefs only dominated on offense for 30 minutes (in both meetings this year, really)... and their bad first halves were their undoing

[Clipper Nation]

I feel bad for Andy Reid tbh, such a great coach who hasn’t been able to get over the hump. He’s KG in the Duncan era
Reid totally bungled the first half, from start (deferring to the second half) to finish (calling that retarded timeout to gift the Patriots another score). Great coaches actually show up in the playoffs.

[MultiTroll]

Only way to stop Brady/Belichick/McDaniels is with a historic pass rush(Giants, Broncos)..not just great, but HISTORIC..you can't stop them with anything less, not even with a great scheme since they've already seen everything..
Ya getting the opponent to line up offsides on the would-be game ending INT.
Historic.

[DAF86]

DAF86

If you compare their primes Manning was a better QB than Brady. Longevity and circumstances gave Brady a better career in terms of teams' accomplishments.

Also the Mannings Will forever be Brady's daddies.

[HarlemHeat37]

so there's 2 ways to beat New England


have top notch pass rush OR outscore them by dominating on offense for 60 minutes


Chiefs only dominated on offense for 30 minutes (in both meetings this year, really)... and their bad first halves were their undoing

Chiefs would have won this game if they weren't so nervous and shaky in the 1st half..conservative playcalling and Mahomes being inexperienced..

They were great in the 2nd half, their offense scored 31..

[Millennial_Messiah]

Berry not containing Bronk was disappointing. He was a top 5 draft pick back in the day IIRC.

people always give Berry an excuse because he's been injured half his career including most of the last 2 years but still, if he's less good because of his injuries they need to cut his big salary and replace him

[Trainwreck2100]

Mahomes was great in the 2nd half, I don't know what game you were watching..

The quote was about how a certain type of QB, despite coming in as the majority once again failed to make the SB. It was meant for all of the 5 not just Mahomes, but yes his 2nd half was great, especially that game ending pass he threw to the Pats DB, in double coverage, for reasons?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chiefs would have won this game if they weren't so nervous and shaky in the 1st half..conservative playcalling and Mahomes being inexperienced..

They were great in the 2nd half, their offense scored 31..
correct.... even if they score only 3 points on that one drive near the end of the first half instead of Mahomes taking that brutal sack on the edge of field goal range, they likely win... ffffffffuuuuuuuuuu, go Rams

[spurraider21]

Reid totally bungled the first half, from start (deferring to the second half) to finish (calling that retarded timeout to gift the Patriots another score). Great coaches actually show up in the playoffs.
Patriots had timeouts to spare. He took one to give the chiefs a chance to tie the game. And that’s exactly what happened. If he didn’t take that timeout there’s be no overtime. They’d have lost right there.

If Dee Ford doesn’t line up offsides the narrative is Reid beating bb. Brady being a legend in overtime and not letting chiefs see the ball isn’t an indictment of reid

your problem is you don’t have takes. You just ride shticks into the ground regardless of contrary observable evidence

[Will Hunting]

If you compare their primes Manning was a better QB than Brady. Longevity and circumstances gave Brady a better career in terms of teams' accomplishments.

Also the Mannings Will forever be Brady's daddies.
:lmao he has more rings than both of them put together

[Silver&Black]

If you compare their primes Manning was a better QB than Brady. Longevity and circumstances gave Brady a better career in terms of teams' accomplishments.

Also the Mannings Will forever be Brady's daddies.

Jesus Christ you're retarded.

Brady has more super bowl wins than Peyton and Eli combined.

[DAF86]

:lmao he has more rings than both of them put together

He still lost 6 out of 8 against them on the PO.

[Mark Celibate]

How do you even predict this upcoming Superbowl tbh?

Just seems like it's destine to be a "whoever has the ball last" type of game like this one just was. A complete tossup tbh

[spurraider21]

If you compare their primes Manning was a better QB than Brady. Longevity and circumstances gave Brady a better career in terms of teams' accomplishments.

Also the Mannings Will forever be Brady's daddies.
Eli is an average/mediocre qb. Not in the same breath.

Peyton was a monster but never showed up in the playoffs the way brady always seems to

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know what McVay can do about his linebackers, they're going to get massacred by James White, Michel and even Burkhead..

James White will have 20 receptions:lol

[Silver&Black]

:lmao he has more rings than both of them put together

:lol beat me by seconds. Think hes missing a chromosome tbh

[DAF86]

Jesus Christ you're retarded.

Brady has more super bowl wins than Peyton and Eli combined.

You still salty about me calling you out on your Derrick White ignorance? :lol

[Will Hunting]

Jesus Christ you're retarded.

Brady has more super bowl wins than Peyton and Eli combined.
:cry but those are team accomplishments :cry

:cry holding the 2007 Patriots to 14 points is an individual accomplishment for Eli though :cry

[Millennial_Messiah]

Patriots had timeouts to spare. He took one to give the chiefs a chance to tie the game. And that’s exactly what happened. If he didn’t take that timeout there’s be no overtime. They’d have lost right there.

If Dee Ford doesn’t line up offsides the narrative is Reid beating bb. Brady being a legend in overtime and not letting chiefs see the ball isn’t an indictment of reid

your problem is you don’t have takes. You just ride shticks into the ground regardless of contrary observable evidence
He was talking about the retarded timeout at the end of the FIRST half when they were down 7-0 with about a minute and a half left and it was 3rd down and about 7 and Reid called a timeout to be aggressive but the Patriots converted and ended up throwing that long TD pass to Dorsett.

[Will Hunting]

He still lost 6 out of 8 against them on the PO.
Yes, clearly Brady being unable to score against Justin Tuck and Von Miller shows why Eli and Peyton are his daddy.

[Trainwreck2100]

How do you even predict this upcoming Superbowl tbh?

Just seems like it's destine to be a "whoever has the ball last" type of game like this one just was. A complete tossup tbh


Nah McVay's gimmicky bullshit will be exposed, should have lost today but the Saints got fucked, and ball don't lie in the Super Bowl

[DAF86]

Eli is an average/mediocre qb. Not in the same breath.

Peyton was a monster but never showed up in the playoffs the way brady always seems to

So you think that if Peyton and Brady swapped circumstances (teams to start careers basically), Brady would still be the more accomplished QB of the two in terms of teams' accomplishments?

[Silver&Black]

You still salty about me calling you out on your Derrick White ignorance? :lol

That's not me you fucking idiot. Don't know who you are thinking of but I've never posted one single thing about White.

[chunticakes]

I don't know what McVay can do about his linebackers, they're going to get massacred by James White, Michel and even Burkhead..

James White will have 20 receptions:lol

What's the early line?

[Bynumite]

FAP86 ranks all time greats based on skill level and technical ability instead of accolades and accomplishments.

You're wasting your time discussing the subject with the guy :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chiefs would have won this game if they weren't so nervous and shaky in the 1st half..conservative playcalling and Mahomes being inexperienced..

They were great in the 2nd half, their offense scored 31..
This post affirms my point, if you want to beat the Patriots using the offensive route, you have to be steady from the 1st quarter on like the Eagles did last year... you can't just punt away the first half like the Chiefs did in both meetings with the Pats this year, and expect to score enough points in the 2nd half to storm back and win.

[Will Hunting]

Let's also not ignore there were several occasions where Peyton choked early before he had the chance to lose to Brady (:lol losing to Billy fucking Volek in 2007 and a mediocre Colts team in 2014 just to avoid losing to Brady in the next game).

[Clipper Nation]

Patriots had timeouts to spare. He took one to give the chiefs a chance to tie the game. And that’s exactly what happened. If he didn’t take that timeout there’s be no overtime. They’d have lost right there.

If Dee Ford doesn’t line up offsides the narrative is Reid beating bb. Brady being a legend in overtime and not letting chiefs see the ball isn’t an indictment of reid

your problem is you don’t have takes. You just ride shticks into the ground regardless of contrary observable evidence
You must be confused. I'm talking about the retarded timeout Reid called towards the end of the first half, when the Patriots looked content to run out the clock. After that timeout, they promptly drove downfield and turned what should have been a 7-point game at the half into a 14-point game.

It's this kind of stupidity that defines Reid's teams in the playoffs. That, and blind loyalty to bad coordinators like Sutton. Bottom line is that the Chiefs had to play catchup against the dynasty Patriots because of Reid's shitty coaching in the first half, and that's just not going to work most of the time.

[DAF86]

That's not me you fucking idiot. Don't know who you are thinking of but I've never posted one single thing about White.

Sure thing son. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

What's the early line?

My book has Patriots -2..all over that..

[DAF86]

FAP86 ranks all time greats based on skill level and technical ability instead of accolades and accomplishments.

You're wasting your time discussing the subject with the guy :lol

I don't, but even if I did, ranking players by their actual individual abilities instead of the accomplishments got with teams efforts is really such a bad thing to do? :lol

[Raven]

boy oh boy was this a good fight..

[HarlemHeat37]

This could have been a great betting weekend if the NFL didn't rob me in the Saints game..need to get a class-action suit going:lol

[Silver&Black]

Sure thing son. :lol

I have 17000 posts. Not one of them has ever mentioned White. Go find the post you're talking bout and link it. I don't even post upstairs anymore. Been a handful of posts probably in years.

Link the thread.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You must be confused. I'm talking about the retarded timeout Reid called towards the end of the first half, when the Patriots looked content to run out the clock. After that timeout, they promptly drove downfield and turned what should have been a 7-point game at the half into a 14-point game.

It's this kind of stupidity that defines Reid's teams in the playoffs. That, and blind loyalty to bad coordinators like Sutton. Bottom line is that the Chiefs had to play catchup against the dynasty Patriots because of Reid's shitty coaching in the first half, and that's just not going to work most of the time.

My post on the last page in response to this is identical, but yes

[Will Hunting]

I don't, but even if I did, ranking players by their actual individual abilities instead of the accomplishments got with teams efforts is really such a bad thing to do? :lol
How is being on the same team as a defense that played really well against Brady not a team accomplishment? Your logic is inconsistent.

[lefty]

1087154086494064640

[chunticakes]

My book has Patriots -2..all over that..

Oh man that's too easy.

[Blake]

Oh man that's too easy.

Lol easy

[DAF86]

How is being on the same team as a defense that played really well against Brady not a team accomplishment? Your logic is inconsistent.

You talking about my Mannings being Brady's daddies comment? That's just trolling son. It's like bragging rights, you don't care how you got them, you just got them.

[Will Hunting]

So you think that if Peyton and Brady swapped circumstances (teams to start careers basically), Brady would still be the more accomplished QB of the two in terms of teams' accomplishments?
Peyton would have demanded a trade away from a coach who didn't let him call his own plays, so there's no scenario where he and Belichick have the illustrious run that Brady and Belichick have.

I think Brady leads the 2006 Colts and 2015 Broncos to super bowls (not saying much since neither team needed anything out of its QB) and probably the 2005 Colts + the 2013 Broncos for that matter.

There's not a fucking chance Peyton comes back from 28-3 against Atlanta though, we've seen what happens when his team gets off to a bad start in the superbowl (:lmao lubing up his asshole and saying "Thank you sir may I have another!" to Pete Carroll)

[Will Hunting]

If they swapped teams, Brady damn sure woulda gotten more than 2 rings, and Peyton damn sure wouldn’t have 5.

the thought of Peyton having the mental fortitude to erase a 25 point deficit against a superior team :lmao

If it were him in that game he would have lost 42-3 then had Bill Polian cry about how rule changes were needed in the offseason :lol

[Will Hunting]

You talking about my Mannings being Brady's daddies comment? That's just trolling son. It's like bragging rights, you don't care how you got them, you just got them.
Yeah that's Peyton's problem, he loses to Billy fucking Volek in 2007 just to avoid possibly having another playoff L against Tom Brady so he win the completely meaningless "winning record against Brady in the playoffs!" trophy :lmao

[DAF86]

Peyton would have demanded a trade away from a coach who didn't let him call his own plays, so there's no scenario where he and Belichick have the illustrious run that Brady and Belichick have.

I think Brady leads the 2006 Colts and 2015 Broncos to super bowls (not saying much since neither team needed anything out of its QB) and probably the 2005 Colts + the 2013 Broncos for that matter.

There's not a fucking chance Peyton comes back from 28-3 against Atlanta though, we've seen what happens when his team gets off to a bad start in the superbowl (:lmao lubing up his asshole and saying "Thank you sir may I have another!" to Pete Carroll)


If they swapped teams, Brady damn sure woulda gotten more than 2 rings, and Peyton damn sure wouldn’t have 5.

Why are you acting as if Brady wasn't a 200th pick? :lol

Brady on any other team might have never got the chance of starting in the NFL.

[Will Hunting]

Why are you acting as if Brady wasn't a 200th pick? :lol

Brady on any other team might have never got the chance of starting in the NFL.
So that's your argument now, Peyton is better because he was drafted higher :lmao

[Silver&Black]

Brady on any other team might have never got the chance of starting in the NFL.

:lmao Using where he was drafted to try to win the argument

:lmao Just Stop. Please. My sides are hurting from :lol 'ing too much

[Will Hunting]

Brady sure as hell wouldn’t throw a game clinching pick-six to Tracy fucking Porter either :lol
He also wouldn't lose to Billy Volek or 2014 Andrew Cuck out of fear of having a losing playoff record against Manning either :lol

[Will Hunting]

:lmao losing to this chode because you're so scared of playing Brady

https://boltbeat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/13/files/2012/05/55564021.jpg

[DAF86]

So that's your argument now, Peyton is better because he was drafted higher :lmao

No, I'm saying that circumstances have played a vital part on this whole Manning/Brady argument. If Brady would have been selected by any team that had a decent young starting QB, he probably would have stayed as a substitute his entire career.

Manning on the other hand was a generational talent that couldn't be ignored at any point of his career.

[HarlemHeat37]

1087190094396702723

Even Tony Dungy getting in on him:lol

[Silver&Black]

Still waiting on this link to the epic "callout bout Derrick White".

:lmao How good can the callout be when you can't even get the poster that you called out right?

[Will Hunting]

No, I'm saying that circumstances have played a vital part on this whole Manning/Brady argument. If Brady would have been selected by any team that had a decent young starting QB, he probably would have stayed as a substitute his entire career.
So your argument is a bunch of hypothetical scenarios that didn't actually happen and you have no way of proving they would actually happen, not to mention they're completely divorced from actual reality :lol

Just one example of how stupid your logic is, what team with a good young QB would be drafting Brady? Any team drafting him would have had to have some need at QB.

You might as well say "If Tom Brady's mom had gotten an abortion then he wouldn't have any superbowls!"

[HarlemHeat37]

Main reason the Patriots even got here is because Matt Patricia wasn’t around to pussy up the defensive gameplan. Brian Fores actually has the balls to blitz every once in a while and not just sit back in “bend but don’t break” style cuckball.

Their defense was pretty impressive considering they aren't particularly talented IMO..surprisingly got a nice pass rush most of the game, too..they were better than the score implies..

[Will Hunting]

Main reason the Patriots even got here is because Matt Patricia wasn’t around to pussy up the defensive gameplan. Brian Fores actually has the balls to blitz every once in a while and not just sit back in “bend but don’t break” style cuckball.
Agreed.

My ideal racial breakdown for a coaching staff has always been a defensive minded white guy as the head coach, a white offensive guru as the OC, and a black guy as the DC who can rely on the head coach for actual Xs and Os / brain power while calling aggressive plays and getting the players amped up with African battle cries.

[Spurtacular]

Romo calling every play before it happens

He called three in a row on that OT drive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKLkj0FzoEo

Also :lol at NFL not including the Dee Ford play on the highlights.

[DAF86]

So your argument is a bunch of hypothetical scenarios that didn't actually happen and you have no way of proving they would actually happen, not to mention they're completely divorced from actual reality :lol

My argument is based on reality, tbh. From what I saw in reality, it's clear to me that Manning was the better QB of the two, but Brady had the opportunity of playing for better teams and for the GOAT coach.

FWIW, I have no problem with people ranking Brady over Manning, in fact I might actually do the same, just like I would rank Duncan over Shaq because of longevity and accomplishments even though Shaq was, imho, the better player of the two comparing both at their absolute primes.


Just one example of how stupid your logic is, what team with a good young QB would be drafting Brady? Any team drafting him would have had to have some need at QB.

If you have a need at QB you don't wait 'till the 199th pick to draft one, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

He called three in a row on that OT drive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKLkj0FzoEo

Cowboys should think about getting him on the coaching staff. He knows his shit.

[Silver&Black]

Who would you rather have, tbh?

1. Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai
2. Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Randy Moss for one year.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GltQ1K5g-7Q

[DAF86]

Who would you rather have, tbh?

1. Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai
2. Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Randy Moss for one year.

I would rather have Bill Belichick, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Cowboys should think about getting him on the coaching staff. He knows his shit.

On the staff? Just fire Garret and make Romo HC, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

My argument is based on reality, tbh.
How? It's literally based off of hypotheticals that never happened :lol


From what I saw in reality, it's clear to me that Manning was the better QB of the two
:lol the Medvedenko argument. "Kobe is better than Jordan because I watched both and say so!"


but Brady had the opportunity of playing for better teams and for the GOAT coach.
The GOAT coach who has a below .500 career record when he doesn't have Brady as his starter?


FWIW, I have no problem with people ranking Brady over Manning, in fact I might actually do the same, just like I would rank Duncan over Shaq because of longevity and accomplishments even though Shaq was, imho, the better player of the two compartir both at their absolute primes.
The difference being that peak Shaq was noticeably better than peak Duncan, and peak Shaq also had a substantial amount of playoff success. Peak Manning consistently choked in the playoffs, his two superbowls came with him playing game manager. Brady has both game manager superbowls and superbowls where needed to put of tons of points.


If you have a need at QB you don't wait 'till the 199th pick to draft one, tbh.
If you have a QB who's nearing the end and you know you'll need one in the next 2-3 years, taking a late round flyer is something that happens all time. Either way, using draft position as a knock against Brady is retarded.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GltQ1K5g-7Q

SMDH

Don't give the refs a reason when you're playing the cheatriots.

[Will Hunting]

I would rather have Bill Belichick, tbh.
Peyton wouldn't, he'd demand a trade if a coach ever tried to make him play in a system.

[HarlemHeat37]

What exactly can the Rams do to win?

Patriots offensive line has been DOMINANT so far against 2 great pass rushes..maybe Donald and Suh can generate pressure on the interior, but it won't matter when 100% NE's gameplan will be to use short passes and wheel routes against LA's LBs..

Rams have been killed by the run all year, too..

Are they really gonna be able to beat them in a shootout with Goff and weapons that aren't anything special other than a potentially injured Gurley?

[chunticakes]

What exactly can the Rams do to win?

Patriots offensive line has been DOMINANT so far against 2 great pass rushes..maybe Donald and Suh can generate pressure on the interior, but it won't matter when 100% NE's gameplan will be to use short passes and wheel routes against LA's LBs..

Are they really gonna be able to beat them in a shootout with Goff and weapons that aren't anything special other than a potentially injured Gurley?

Pats by 8, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Peyton wouldn't, he'd demand a trade if a coach ever tried to make him play in a system.

This is true..similar to LeBron, Manning has to run his own system..

[Spurtacular]

The difference being that peak Shaq was noticeably better than peak Duncan

Dunno about that, tbh.

[DAF86]

The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a fuck about these two, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

What exactly can the Rams do to win?

Patriots offensive line has been DOMINANT so far against 2 great pass rushes..maybe Donald and Suh can generate pressure on the interior, but it won't matter when 100% NE's gameplan will be to use short passes and wheel routes against LA's LBs..

Are they really gonna be able to beat them in a shootout with Goff and weapons that aren't anything special other than a potentially injured Gurley?
Their offensive line is going to need to dominate the way Philly's did a year ago but I don't think it's that good. The way you beat New England's D is by completely removing the pass rush so the QB has 5+ seconds to throw. If Goff has all day to throw then the Rams have a chance imo.

On defense, as you said, it'll pretty much come down to Donald and Suh. If the Patriots are able to block them then Brady should be able to move the ball at will. The Rams' secondary isn't very deep after Talib and their safeties are awful against the pass.

[Will Hunting]

Dunno about that, tbh.
I think 2000 Shaq was, but his peak didn't last long so Duncan still had the way better career.

[Silver&Black]

What exactly can the Rams do to win?

100+ yards from Gurley and C.J. again would be a start. Follow the Cowboys gameplan I guess.

[Ghazi]

The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a fuck about these two, tbh.

Brady is the Jordan though, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

LA still has the clear talent advantage, but the Pats have won 2 playoff games already against teams with clear talent advantages. Going with the Rams to win, but I’m at least somewhat confident in my boys.
Another bye week for Brady and Gronk + playing in a dome makes me pretty confident. Brady looked unstoppable against San Diego coming off a bye week and I also like the idea of Belichick sitting in his office for the next 5 days coming up with a gameplan to beat McVay :lol

[Silver&Black]

As long as Talib doesn't ring, tbh.

[DAF86]

This is true..similar to LeBron, Manning has to run his own system..

And you just let him. Offense wasn't the reason the Pats won their first couple SB's, tbh.

Either way, dok needs to pick a lane, tbh. On one hand he says that Manning needs to be the man and run his offense and on the other he says that he won two SB's as a game manager. He either accepts a game manager role or don't, which is it? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a fuck about these two, tbh.

Brady is Jordan, though, nobody will ever beat him in narratives..it's not actually comparable, since Jordan had far more impact than Brady(or any possible QB in NFL history, since it's a position that relies on everything to be perfect to succeed), but we'll never see a QB with Brady's accolades ever again..

Winning and reaching that many SBs requires an almost impossible combination of skill, intelligence, luck and perfect circumstances in a 1-game elimination sport..

Jordan is the greatest individual athlete of the major sports, but he had perfect circumstances to reach his accolades..won't ever happen again..

[DarrinS]

Congrats to the Pats (gag).

That "roughing the passer" call, tho. Smh

[HarlemHeat37]

LA still has the clear talent advantage, but the Pats have won 2 playoff games already against teams with clear talent advantages. Going with the Rams to win, but I’m at least somewhat confident in my boys.

I don't think the Rams are that talented IMO..

[Will Hunting]

Brady is the Jordan though, tbh.
If he wins this year it'll be really difficult for someone to ever surpass him, 6 superbowls in a league with this much parity is way more impressive than Jordan winning 6 championships against shitty teams like the Stockton and Malone Jazz.

[Will Hunting]

And you just let him. Offense wasn't the reason the Pats son their first couple SB's, tbh.

Either way, @dok needs to pick a lane, tbh. On one hand he says that Manning needs to be the man and run his offense and on the other he says that he won two SB's as a game manager. He either accepts a game manager role or don't, which is it? :lol
He ran his own game manager offense and got lucky with elite defenses that didn't require any points to be scored, pretty simple actually.

And pretty sure offense had something to do with New England beating Carolina 32-29 in its 2nd superbowl.

[Will Hunting]

He got benched for Brock fucking Osweiler because the coach wanted to send a message that he's an uncoachable piece of shit :lmao

[Will Hunting]

There’s clearly a ton of middle ground between uncoachable control freak and shitty game manager.
In Manning's last season in Denver he managed to be both, which is why they needed to bench him for Brock fucking Osweiler (:lol) in order to send a message.

[Spurtacular]

I think 2000 Shaq was, but his peak didn't last long so Duncan still had the way better career.

By virtue of his body, Shaq was gonna have high FG% especially at peak. But as far as just dominating a game goes, I think TD was better at peak. Shaq was gonna need a Kobe to do some of the lifting. TD could go out and get a quadruple double just about as necessary at his peak.

[DAF86]

Brady is Jordan, though, nobody will ever beat him in narratives..it's not actually comparable, since Jordan had far more impact than Brady(or any possible QB in NFL history, since it's a position that relies on everything to be perfect to succeed), but we'll never see a QB with Brady's accolades ever again..

Winning and reaching that many SBs requires an almost impossible combination of skill, intelligence, luck and perfect circumstances in a 1-game elimination sport..

I don't think winning 5/6 rings is unreachable, tbh. Also, you don't need to reach that number to be considered the GOAT, just like Jordan didn't need to reach 11.

A true elite talent since day one, breaking all the records on a pass happy NFL and winning 3 or 4 superbowls without ever being a game manager would easily replace Brady as the GOAT in the mind of most folks, imho.

[Bynumite]

The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a fuck about these two, tbh.

It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba :lol It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Today was an example of why no league or other sport in America will ever touch the NFL:lol

Terrible officiating, CTE, domestic violence, whatever it is, doesn't matter..nothing else in this part of the world can give you this type of entertainment in sports..

[Play Boban]

Myhomie’s voice does not match his body tbh.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_AsiilOLGw

[Will Hunting]

It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba :lol It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/ Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name :lol
Exactly. Just look at how much the hard cap/injuries decimated the Seahawks after they looked like a dynasty in the making after the 2013 season. There's so much parity in the NFL that winning > 1 superbowl with the same core of players is extremely difficult, let alone 3-4.

[DAF86]

It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba :lol It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name :lol

This actually works in my favour. In fact, I was about to use it as an argument why he isn't Jordan.

The reason why so many folks had (and still have) a hard time placing Brady as the GOAT despite all his success is because he was never as individually dominant as a Jordan in basketball. MJ was so above everything we had seen before that he was widely considered the GOAT even after his first 3peat, he didn't even need the second one.

[Silver&Black]

Either way, using draft position as a knock against Brady is retarded.

Ginobili sucked. He was the 57th pick in the draft. (Let's see if this gets him fired up)

Come at me bro.....

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think winning 5/6 rings is unreachable, tbh. Also, you don't need to reach that number to be considered the GOAT, just like Jordan didn't need to reach 11.

A true elite talent since day one, breaking all the records on a pass happy NFL and winning 3 or 4 superbowls without ever being a game manager would easily replace Brady as the GOAT in the mind of most folks, imho.

You know how hard that is to achieve, though?:lol

MANY smart football people consider Aaron Rodgers to be the most talented QB of all-time(based on the combination of arm talent and mobility), yet he's only reached ONE super bowl..

Brady's arguably the smartest QB of all-time(on-field), a great talent AND he the circumstances in his favor like Jordan did..

It's not like basketball, you can't will your way to the Finals in football..not just that, but there's a pretty high chance that you'll suffer from a serious injury in any given season:lol(even Brady missed an entire year)..anything is possible, but the odds of a team/QB having another run like this is unlikely..

Brady will be considered the GOAT for a loooong time..

[Will Hunting]

This actually works in my favour. In fact, I was about to use it as an argument why he isn't Jordan.

The reason why so many folks had (and still have) a hard time placing Brady as the GOAT despite all his success is because he was never as individually dominant as a Jordan in basketball. MJ was so above everything se has seen before that he was widely considered the GOAT even after his first 3peat, he didn't even need the second one.
No one still has a hard time calling Brady the GOAT outside of Manning/Montana fanboys. Everyone else has accepted it.

There's no individual way to dominate a football game like you can at basketball. In basketball being the best player on the court automatically gives your team a chance at winning, in football no matter how good you are you need a team around you. There's never going to be any one person who can impact a football game as much as MJ impacted a basketball game.

[spurraider21]

So you think that if Peyton and Brady swapped circumstances (teams to start careers basically), Brady would still be the more accomplished QB of the two in terms of teams' accomplishments?
yes tbh. manning was always much better in reg season than playoffs... brady has always been as good or better in playoffs. thats on the player, not the team

[DAF86]

You know how hard that is to achieve, though?:lol

MANY smart football people consider Aaron Rodgers to be the most talented QB of all-time(based on the combination of arm talent and mobility), yet he's only reached ONE super bowl..

Brady's arguably the smartest QB of all-time(on-field), a great talent AND he the circumstances in his favor like Jordan did..

It's not like basketball, you can't will your way to the Finals in football..not just that, but there's a pretty high chance that you'll suffer from a serious injury in any given season:lol(even Brady missed an entire year)

I know how hard it is to achieve that's why once it happens it will be the GOAT. I just think it will happen.

In terms of individual stats and accolades we know that any QB that appears from now on will have an advantage because of the pass happy era we are in.

Then it's just a matter of someone winning 3 or 4 SB's and that's it.

[Ghazi]

If he wins this year it'll be really difficult for someone to ever surpass him, 6 superbowls in a league with this much parity is way more impressive than Jordan winning 6 championships against shitty teams like the Stockton and Malone Jazz.

It already feels difficult for anybody to surpass him, tbh.

Mahomes has a bright future but even if he wins 2-3 more MVPs and 3 rings in the next decade he wouldn't surpass Brady :lol

[Will Hunting]

I don't think the Rams are that talented IMO..
No one responded to this but I agree. If the Pats can overcome the talent disparity against the Chiefs @ Arrowhead then they can overcome the talent gap against LA in a stadium that will probably have more Pats fans.

[DAF86]

Ginobili sucked. He was the 57th pick in the draft. (Let's see if this gets him fired up)

Come at me bro.....

I was expecting that answer a lot sooner, tbh.

Ginobili was a different case because the NBA didn't pay much attention to non US basketball, tbh. So it wasn't that Manu wasn't that good, it was just that the NBA didn't pay enough attention.

Also, Manu isn't even close to the GOAT debate.

[Barfunk]

Fuckin embarrassing tbh

It really is.....

[Silver&Black]

I was expecting that answer a lot sooner, tbh.

I didn't make that argument sooner because it's fucking stupid as hell. Obviously you can't detect sarcasm.

[DAF86]

yes tbh. manning was always much better in reg season than playoffs... brady has always been as good or better in playoffs. thats on the player, not the team

Brady's first couple of playoffs runs (the ones that take the burden out of you) weren't anything special, tbh. He just had a defense that allowed him to game manage his way to wins, tbh.

If Manning would have had that earlier on his career he might be seen differently. The only times he got a good defense the dude got to the SB, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

I know how hard it is to achieve that's why once it happens it will be the GOAT. I just think it will happen.

In terms of individual stats and accolades we know that any QB that appears from now on will have an advantage because of the pass happy era we are in.

Then it's just a matter of someone winning 3 or 4 SB's and that's it.

:lmao "just a matter of winning 3 or 4 SBs and that's it"

Manning has 2, and they were with different teams (not a knock on him, only mentioning that to show that he needed to switch teams to do it). Brees only has 1. Rodgers only has 1. Extended superbowl dynasties simply don't happen the way they used to. The QBs make too much money now for the teammates around them to be good enough to contend for an extended period of time.

[DAF86]

I didn't make that argument sooner because it's fucking stupid as hell. Obviously you can't detect sarcasm.

Are you retarded? What part of my comment made you think that I actually believed you thought Ginobili sucked? :lol

But since I brought up Brady's draft placement, I expected people to bring Ginobili's draft placement too as a counter-argument. Also, I never said Brady sucked, in fact, I'm pretty much conceding he's the GOAT. :lol

[resistanze]

Brady's arguably the smartest QB of all-time(on-field)

:lol...ass coffee doesn't appeal to you?...

[Ghazi]

Brady's first couple of playoffs runs (the ones that take the burden out of you) weren't anything special, tbh. He just had a defense that allowed him to game manage his way to wins, tbh.

If Manning would have had that earlier on his career he might be seen differently. The only times he got a good defense the dude got to the SB, tbh.

None of Manning's SB runs were anything special tbh.

[lefty]

This actually works in my favour. In fact, I was about to use it as an argument why he isn't Jordan.

The reason why so many folks had (and still have) a hard time placing Brady as the GOAT despite all his success is because he was never as individually dominant as a Jordan in basketball. MJ was so above everything we had seen before that he was widely considered the GOAT even after his first 3peat, he didn't even need the second one.

MJ wasn’t above everything we had seen before

[DAF86]

:lmao "just a matter of winning 3 or 4 SBs and that's it"

Manning has 2, and they were with different teams (not a knock on him, only mentioning that to show that he needed to switch teams to do it). Brees only has 1. Rodgers only has 1. Extended superbowl dynasties simply don't happen the way they used to. The QBs make too much money now for the teammates around them to be good enough to contend for an extended period of time.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Personally I don't think it's far stretched to expect a GOAT level QB to win 3 or 4 SB's somewhere down the line.

[Will Hunting]

Brady's first couple of playoffs runs (the ones that take the burden out of you) weren't anything special, tbh. He just had a defense that allowed him to game manage his way to wins, tbh.

If Manning would have had that earlier on his career he might be seen differently. The only times he got a good defense the dude got to the SB, tbh.
Still waiting to hear about the great defense when he beat Carolina 32-29.

Regarding Manning:

2005 Colts - 2nd in points allowed per game
2007 Colts - 1st in points allowed per game
2008 Colts - 7th in points allowed per game
2012 Broncos - 4th in points allowed per game

In 3 of those 4 seasons he lost home playoff games :lol

:lmao "the only times he got a good defense the dude got the SB"

[Ghazi]

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Personally I don't think it's far stretched to expect a GOAT level QB to win 3 or 4 SB's somewhere down the line.

On a long enough timeline, yeah I suppose.

[DAF86]

None of Manning's SB runs were anything special tbh.

And yet, those are the years he won it all. That's exactly what I'm talking about. :lol

[Ghazi]

a QB coming along and surpassing Brady is certainly more realistic than Peyton ever surpassing Brady :lol

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao having the top ranked defense in the NFL and letting Billy Volek come into the RCA Dome to take your cookie

[HarlemHeat37]

a QB coming along and surpassing Brady is certainly more realistic than Peyton ever surpassing Brady :lol

:lol

[Silver&Black]

None of Manning's SB runs were anything special tbh.

Peyton Manning is the only QB in NFL history to throw more INTs than Touchdowns in a postseason and win the SB.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao How does Fivehead still have fanboys putting him in the GOAT discussion? Despite playing on mega-stacked teams his entire career, in an era of inflated passing stats and greatly curtailed defenses, he has the most one-and-dones in NFL history. End of discussion.

[Ghazi]

So uhh is Brady actually gonna play till he's 45??

Shit's starting to seem realistic now.

[Will Hunting]

So uhh is Brady actually gonna play till he's 45??

Shit's starting to seem realistic now.
As long as he's able to cheese dick his way through the regular season and get a 1st round bye so he only has to play 1 playoff game without a bye week, he might as well.

[DAF86]

It will be cool to the see the day that the first sportman reaches 50.

[Mitch]

As long as he's able to cheese dick his way through the regular season and get a 1st round bye so he only has to play 1 playoff game without a bye week, he might as well.

As long as nobody flattens him, he will probably play into the next decade tbh. That big hit will come any day now, gotta enjoy it until then.

[HarlemHeat37]

So uhh is Brady actually gonna play till he's 45??

Shit's starting to seem realistic now.

Why not? He doesn't have to run and he didn't even have to use his deep ball tonight..he can make those 5-10 yard passes all day and his intelligence is always superior to the opposition..

[FrostKing]

Trump wins again

[Will Hunting]

As long as nobody flattens him, he will probably play into the next decade tbh. That big hit will come any day now, gotta enjoy it until then.
It's the best offensive line he's played behind in several years imo (:lol the Giants overpaying Solder). If they can keep that group together then it'll prolong his career, Thuney is really the only weak spot imo. The right side of the line is elite with Cannon/Mason.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's the best offensive line he's played behind in several years imo (:lol the Giants overpaying Solder). If they can keep that group together then it'll prolong his career, Thuney is really the only weak spot imo. The right side of the line is elite with Cannon/Mason.

That Trent Brown trade:tu

[Ghazi]

Why not? He doesn't have to run and he didn't even have to use his deep ball tonight..he can make those 5-10 yard passes all day and his intelligence is always superior to the opposition..

Yeah true these niggas stacked tbh.

[Will Hunting]

That Trent Brown trade:tu
I'm worried another team will overpay for that big motherfucker this off season but they have a 1st rounder waiting in the wings if he leaves.

Tbh it's a shame that several good years of Brady's career were wasted with retreads and backups like Connolly and Wendell on the offensive line. If Brady has a group that can consistently give up 2.5 - 3 seconds to throw then he's pretty much unstoppable, and that's what he's had since the current core of Andrews/Mason/Cannon has been around.

[Ghazi]

I'm rooting for the Pats tbh...

Rams just don't feel like they deserve to be there after that historically awful call, may as well see some more history made.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Rex Ryan is hysterically whining over the Patriots’ win this morning

:lmao useless fat fuck

[Play Boban]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxaBU7nXQAAjUxh?format=jpg&name=medium

GOAT :wow

[Ghazi]

Bs4uDt9nMKH

:lol

[313]

Lions almost traded for Gronk :lol

[spurraider21]

When did Brady develop this fake "us against the world" narrative?:lol

Nobody has said anything negative about his ability in like 5 years..he's going full Jordan/LeBron with the attention whoring..
ask mono

[SpursforSix]

Literally every time Brady has a mediocre game, the discussion all week is about how Brady is finished. I’m as guilty as anyone else of it. Also there’s tons of high profile media guys who trash him weekly and predict he’ll fail (Kellerman, Sharpe, Rex Ryan, Rob Parker, SAS, Clay Travis, etc). And then half the country hates him for the MAGA hat. People are ready to bury him every week. Even after making it to Super Bowl #9, if he loses people will IMMEDIATELY say it’s the “death of the Patriots dynasty”. So of course he’s playing the underdog card. 95% of the country hates him, wants him to fail, and will have the biggest orgasm of their lives if he loses in 2 weeks.

Damn...are PMSing? So dramatic today.

[DAF86]

Bs4uDt9nMKH

Trump loving frat boys douchebags. :lol

[The Gemini Method]

Beneficiary of a blown call. I thought the D showed up pretty well all things considered. Holding Thomas to sub 100 yards and both Kamara and Ingram to less than 50 years rushing were key. Thought Goff missed some killshots after looking small at the beginning. It's going to be tough to usurp history and beat Brady and the Patriots. But, if it happens that would be a pretty apropos bookend to losing in 200/01 and sending the dynasty one year closer to the crescendo.

[spurraider21]

ask mono
:lol ask and ye shall receive