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timvp
01-19-2019, 07:18 AM
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DeMar DeRozan was a late scratch from the lineup Friday night in Minnesota with an ankle injury. No matter, the Spurs were able to complete a sweep of their two-game road trip with a 116-113 victory over the Timberwolves.

The game was nip and tuck the first three quarters, with neither team gaining an advantage for long. With nine minutes remaining in the fourth and the game tied 96-96, the Spurs went an a 7-0 run to create breathing room. The T'Wolves bit back but a Derrick White three-pointer with four minutes on the clock once again gave San Antonio a seven-point lead.

Minnesota wasn't ready to roll over quite yet. They cut the Spurs advantage down to a single point on a Derrick Rose layup with 30 seconds to go. Marco Belinelli missed a runner on the other end but Rudy Gay battled on the offensive boards and got his team another possession. Belinelli hit two free throws when the Timberwolves were forced to foul, putting San Antonio up by three points.

Following a missed desperation three-pointer at the buzzer by Derrick Rose that was well defended by Davis Bertans, the Spurs officially improved to 27-20 on the season. They're now 9-14 on the road and currently sit in the fifth spot in the tight Western Conference standings.

Considering they were without DeRozan, this was a really good win. The Spurs illustrated a lot of grit in getting the victory over a desperate T'Wolves team that entered the affair with a 15-7 home record. The good guys should be proud.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
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You know, LaMarcus Aldridge's stats weren't aesthetically-pleasing -- especially his 8-for-20 shooting and four turnovers. But I was extremely pleased by how he played. He was super physical, unusually fired up and didn't back down an inch in what was an extremely hard-fought game in the paint. Aldridge got off to a slow start, hitting only one of his first seven attempts from the floor, but he kept pounding away and found his rhythm in the second half -- including multiple big shots in the fourth quarter. I thought his passing and court vision were better than usual all night. Defensively, Aldridge was solid. He defended the post well, guarded the rim and didn't hesitate to rotate out on the perimeter when it was needed.
Grade: A-
Summary: Aldridge shrugged off a slow start and had another beastly performance.

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Rudy Gay
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Rudy Gay was elevated to second option and he did well in the expanded role. He was stubborn about searching out good shots, which led to his efficient shooting night. His passing was outstanding -- most likely his best passing game of the season. He was finding teammates at all angles. Gay did lead the team with five turnovers, however his injured wrist is obviously still bothering him and that seemed to play a role in at least a couple of his miscues. (Kudos to him for playing through what appears to be a painful injury.) Defensively, Gay wasn't especially effective individually or team-wise but he was making things happen on that end with his athleticism and strength: challenging shots, closing passing lanes, running shooters off of shots, etc.
Grade: A-
Summary: Gay stepped up and met the challenge.

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Bryn Forbes
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The good: Bryn Forbes shot the ball well from deep and was adequately aggressive on offense. He also kept his errors to a minimum on that end. The bad: Forbes struggled to score off the dribble, hitting just 1-of-5 two-pointers. Defensively, it wasn't pretty. He wasn't cutting off drivers, wasn't quick to contest shooters and simply made a lot of head-scratching decisions on that end. After one particularly egregious defensive error, Pop sent Forbes to the bench to think about it.
Grade: C
Summary: Outside hitting half his threes, this night was a forgettable one for Forbes.

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Derrick White
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It was a tale of two halves for Derrick White. In the first half, he was extremely vital to the cause. With Aldridge struggling, it was White who stepped up with 12 points on 5-for-7 shooting from the floor in the first two quarters. In the second half, White was much more passive. He took only one shot in the second half ... but it was a big one: a made three-pointer with four minutes left that put the Spurs up by seven. Unfortunately, he followed that act of heroism with two costly turnovers down the stretch. But all in all, White was sturdy. He scored 15 points on only 8 shots, authored a couple good passes and his defense was average enough.
Grade: B
Summary: White continues to shine.

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Pau Gasol
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With DeRozan out, Pop opted to go big and put Pau Gasol in the starting lineup. His presence in the starting lineup played out how it has routinely played out since Gasol returned from injury: it gums up the offense and makes the defense susceptible to anything that resembles speed. Gasol rebounded well, which is ... something.
Grade: C-
Summary: Gasol got some token minutes.

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Marco Belinelli
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Marco Belinelli's hot streak lives another day. And with DeRozan out, ever last ounce of it was needed tonight. Over his last four outings, Belinelli is averaging 19.8 points in 25.8 minutes per game, while shooting 53.3% from the floor, 55.6% from beyond the three-point line and a perfect 16-for-16 at the charity stripe. As you can surmise from those numbers, Belinelli is feeling it. He's in constant motion and is shooting whenever he gets a hint of daylight. Against the Timberwolves, his passing was better than usual. While he was trying harder than normal on defense (good work on the boards and swiped two of the team's three steals), Belinelli really struggled in one-on-one matchups.
Grade: B+
Summary: Belinelli supplied needed points.

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Davis Bertans
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Davis Bertans is such a weapon right now. When he gets an open look, he's nearly automatic as of late. Whether it's Pop drawing up a play for him or bailing out a dying possession, Bertans is scorching the net. The only shot he missed tonight was a difficult, off-balance three-pointer that nearly dropped. I even liked his rebounding tonight, as he managed to pull down a couple hotly contested boards. Defensively, Bertans did mostly good work -- though he did get benched for a few minutes for a sloppy foul. But all was forgiven when he forced Rose into missing the potentially game-tying three at the buzzer.
Grade: A-
Summary: Bertans is providing great minutes off the bench.

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Patty Mills
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What the Spurs were missing most with DeRozan sidelined was playmaking. It was, surprisingly, Patty Mills who filled that void. Never known as an especially good passer, Mills was dropping slick dimes left and right in Minnesota, tallying a season-high eight assists. That he finished without a turnover was a minor miracle considering the difficulty level of many of his passes. Outside of his otherworldly-for-the-night playmaking, Mills didn't do a whole lot. He probably shot too much and definitely did not make enough. His defense was about average for him, which isn't saying a whole lot. But overall, Mills' expert level passing more than made up for any of his faults.
Grade: B+
Summary: Patty Stockton doing work.

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Jakob Poeltl
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I was pretty damn disappointed with Jakob Poeltl for a majority of his minutes. His post defense was Charmin soft. It was literally some of the worst post defense I've seen from a Spur this season. His defense, as a whole, wasn't good. He had multiple defensive rebounds bounce right in front of him that he failed to corral. On offense, he wasn't doing a good job of holding his ground and making himself available. To his credit, Poeltl saved his best for last when he converted on a pair of shots in the lane in the fourth quarter.
Grade: D+
Summary: When Gasol plays, Poeltl isn't good. When Gasol doesn't play, he's really good. I don't get it.

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Dante Cunningham
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Dante Cunningham got some minutes after a Bertans defensive mistake. Cunningham took advantage of the opportunity. He hustled on both ends, looked more capable than usual and actually helped out. Well done.
Grade: B+
Summary: Cunningham was ready.

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Pop
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I thought Pop coached a really good game. It was a vintage Pop game in terms of benching players for defensive mistakes. His players responded, to his credit. I didn't have an issue with the rotation. I don't love Gasol starting but it's obviously a way to just buy a few minutes in each half and keep the normal bench unit intact.
Grade: A-
Summary: Pop turned back the clock.

Looking ahead: Quality win. Remember, the last time the Spurs were in Minnesota, they lost by 39 points earlier this season. The improvement speaks to the growth San Antonio has made since then.

Next up is a home game against the Clippers. They've lost five games in a row, four of which where at home. So, yeah, the Spurs need to take care of business and extend this winning streak to three games.

Twisted_Dawg
01-19-2019, 07:23 AM
Thanks for the grades!

Strategic
01-19-2019, 07:43 AM
Nice work. Good to see Spurs get physical enough to pull this one out.

JPB
01-19-2019, 07:43 AM
Come on, no mention of Cunni's tip-in.. Give the guy his credit now.

Strategic
01-19-2019, 07:46 AM
Damn Pau Gasol

Spurs da champs
01-19-2019, 07:51 AM
Agreed about Poetl's post defense, I lol'd when KaT did the rock the baby to him. Tho, I've never been very high on Poetl to begin with, I feel like he is what he is, an energy big off the bench, his ceiling is very limited to begin with.

RC_Drunkford
01-19-2019, 08:08 AM
Poeltl is a good defender, but defending the post is his weakness. That was also evident in the Toronto game when he had to defend Greg Monroe. I assume he will improve on it, the guy is young.

Can somebody explain why the refs are always shitty when the Spurs play the T'Wolves? I mean always. I remember one time they gave them like 28 free throws on a bunch of phantom calls in the first half. Are the odds in Vegas that good for Spurs vs. Wolves games? With that being said I was kind of surprised that they didn't call the game in the Wolves favor. Refs definitely helped win the game with some of their calls in the 2nd half

Mr. Body
01-19-2019, 08:09 AM
This team is so different when Gay plays.

Derrick White needs more shots. It's time to get more plays in for him.

Andreas68
01-19-2019, 08:19 AM
Poeltl need 3,4min. to warm up.So,wen he is ready to performe,he must go out! Always when he get in the Flow (4 quarter ,4points in a row)he must leave the floor! Thats poison for him and his confidence.

ceperez
01-19-2019, 08:33 AM
Poeltl is a good defender, but defending the post is his weakness. That was also evident in the Toronto game when he had to defend Greg Monroe. I assume he will improve on it, the guy is young.

Can somebody explain why the refs are always shitty when the Spurs play the T'Wolves? I mean always. I remember one time they gave them like 28 free throws on a bunch of phantom calls in the first half. Are the odds in Vegas that good for Spurs vs. Wolves games? With that being said I was kind of surprised that they didn't call the game in the Wolves favor. Refs definitely helped win the game with some of their calls in the 2nd half

Poetl is a good defender against small ball lineups because of his mobility. He's not great though against a traditional center. Perhaps his low standing reach is the problem.

Pau by contrast is a good defender against a traditional center. He doesn't jump, but his length is enough to be a bother.

ceperez
01-19-2019, 08:34 AM
This team is so different when Gay plays.

Derrick White needs more shots. It's time to get more plays in for him.

White is a very smart player. He forces the issue only when he needs to force the issue. 6-8 from 2, 2-2 from 3.... that's damn impressive!

This dude with additional bulk is an all-star. He's locked up all the way to the 21-22 season!

Mr. Body
01-19-2019, 08:44 AM
White is a very smart player. He forces the issue only when he needs to force the issue. 6-8 from 2, 2-2 from 3.... that's damn impressive!

This dude with additional bulk is an all-star. He's locked up all the way to the 21-22 season!

Yeah, I'm saying Pop needs to dig out more looks for him. I realize he's a work in progress, but if he's ready for it -- and I think he is -- the team needs that added threat.

ceperez
01-19-2019, 09:04 AM
Yeah, I'm saying Pop needs to dig out more looks for him. I realize he's a work in progress, but if he's ready for it -- and I think he is -- the team needs that added threat.

I think the biggest problem for the Spurs is that White is the best wing defender. So he spends a lot of energy in defense when he's also very efficient in offense. In today's NBA, nobody can play both sides for extended minutes.

Spurs need to get some decent defense specialist to offload the work.

SpursDynasty85
01-19-2019, 09:26 AM
I think the biggest problem for the Spurs is that White is the best wing defender. So he spends a lot of energy in defense when he's also very efficient in offense. In today's NBA, nobody can play both sides for extended minutes.

Spurs need to get some decent defense specialist to offload the work.

Good point. Derrick putting in work on the defensive end for sure.

MoSpur02
01-19-2019, 09:31 AM
Thanks for the grades.

I would've given Mills a C+ or B- due to him torched on defense time after time. He also shoots too many pull-up threes that as far as I can tell hardly ever go in and are usually early in the shot clock. Pisses

pgardn
01-19-2019, 09:31 AM
I think White is striking a very good balance.

He does not have the DeRozan ability to score. But he is great at picking his spots.
His defense will just get better as long as his minutes are not excessive.

Bertans, Belli, and White have all exceeded what I thought they were capable of. Now let’s see if they can carry it through the entire season.

On the playoff end I’m really just hoping we make it and no one wants to play us. I just don’t see the ability to win more than two series. I think this would be a decent goal.

Mugen
01-19-2019, 09:50 AM
Jesus christ, a B+ for Patty who was getting lit up left and right by ever TWolve that he guarded...good passes but some terrible shot selection. What a bar for the 12mil dollar man.

I mean really not a shocker while Poetl struggles when Pau gets minutes. Jakob has to make an impact with 10-15 mins a night when he should really be getting 20-25. No surprise his struggles coincide with Pau getting healthy and Pop feeling obligated to get him token minutes again.

The team would benefit exponentially from dumping Gasol by the deadline, regardless of what they get for him.

Play Boban
01-19-2019, 09:52 AM
Cut the Spanish traitor.

Mugen
01-19-2019, 09:55 AM
The 31 minutes for Dwhite is probably a typo, you could tell Pop absolutely hates when the kid does well....I think he turned to Patty after DWhite hit that big 3 in the 4th and mouthed "I got you..." :lol

paperboy77
01-19-2019, 10:10 AM
DC grade was good but I still think we pick on him too much. The guy is perfect for the role he played last night. If he plays too much he’ll suck. Really not his fault, not his ideal role.

JC grade was too harsh. He did pickup some good baskets. Another guy Pop puts in bad positions. Pau is done and the focus/coaching should be directed at Jakob. The guys is always looking over his shoulder with Pau around.

bigfan
01-19-2019, 10:59 AM
Your recap and grades are very much appreciated by this Spurs expat!

MoSpur02
01-19-2019, 11:02 AM
I like Cunningham's hustle and I think he's a very good rebounder for his size. Just wish he was a little better on defense and wish he would hit the corner three with more consistency.

sasaint
01-19-2019, 11:14 AM
Add a very good 3 and D SF to the team that played last night, and dump Gasol, and this team could make some noise in the playoffs. Add Murray and LWIV next season, and we are legit contenders. DeMar is expendable, and his salary would be better allocated to that 3 and D SF.

wildbill2u
01-19-2019, 11:14 AM
Young Spurs learning the Spurs way of Poise, Pride and Pounding the Rock. Another great win because of this attitude in the 4th quarter, stepping up and winning under pressure against a good home team.

How bout that Bertans defense on their last shot. How bout that White 3 in the 4th when he hadn't taken a shot before that in the second half. That's hard, but a pro can do it, eh? Gotta mention Gar for trying to lose the 'black hole' reputation and making some key passes. Marco still making contributions. And Aldridge playing with those three Ps all night.

It's getting to be easy to love this TEAM. Go Spurs

Mugen
01-19-2019, 11:26 AM
I like Cunningham's hustle and I think he's a very good rebounder for his size. Just wish he was a little better on defense and wish he would hit the corner three with more consistency.

I wish he was off the team tbh.

r0drig0lac
01-19-2019, 12:15 PM
I wish he was off the team tbh.

this, and Pondexter, Gasol,....

MultiTroll
01-19-2019, 12:26 PM
Jesus christ, a B+ for Patty who was getting lit up left and right by ever TWolve that he guarded...good passes but some terrible shot selection. What a bar for the 12mil dollar man.
OP likes Patty. :lol

RC_Drunkford
01-19-2019, 12:59 PM
I like Cunningham's hustle and I think he's a very good rebounder for his size. Just wish he was a little better on defense and wish he would hit the corner three with more consistency.

Apparently 49.1% from 3 is not consistent enough...

FkLA
01-19-2019, 01:00 PM
I almost always watch games on a slight delay to fast forward through commercials. When centerpiece came in with the Spurs down 10, I was like fuck this we are about to get blown out and I'm not sitting through it...so I fast forwarded and next thing I know it was 79-79. :lol

Bender
01-19-2019, 02:41 PM
I only watched some of the game... I get turned off when there's a foul on every possession and a non-stop parade of FTs

SpursDynasty85
01-19-2019, 02:47 PM
I only watched some of the game... I get turned off when there's a foul on every possession and a non-stop parade of FTs

Last nights game should've been fun. Was hard to watch because of that very reason.

spurs10
01-19-2019, 02:59 PM
Great grades. I was glad to see LMA push through his early game slump and lead unto win. Also very grateful that Rudy is powering through his injury and playing great. H was crucial to the win. Yes White's lone second half shot was huge! A great win indeed!

monty4329
01-19-2019, 03:56 PM
A drag to watch, but a great win. One of the best of the season, in my view.

The Spurs played horrible basket for most of the game, but they played it like a mature team, knowing what to look for and keeping composure.
I really appreciated how the game was brought home, on a very strange night -hope those refs bet benched, what the f*** was all that whistling? Granted, Minnesota sucks, but still it is not easy to win on the road, being down almost three quarters.

And....ANYBODY MISSED DDR? I didn't, actually I am not sure the game would have been won with him instead of Beli in the fourth quarter....

DAF86
01-19-2019, 04:23 PM
White should have shot more with DeRozan out, tbh.

SpurPadre
01-19-2019, 05:01 PM
Forbes sucks, in case you guys needed to know.

superbigtime
01-19-2019, 05:20 PM
Thx for the grades!

timvp
01-19-2019, 05:24 PM
Come on, no mention of Cunni's tip-in.. Give the guy his credit now.Alright, alright. Credit to Gorgui Dieng for one of the lowest IQ players in recorded basketball history.


Poeltl is a good defender, but defending the post is his weakness. That was also evident in the Toronto game when he had to defend Greg Monroe. I assume he will improve on it, the guy is young. Well, the good news for Poeltl is bigmen who postup is a dying breed. KAT and Gibson bullied him, though, so let's hope he brings more toughness next time. I realize he's trying not to foul but his resistance was that of a wet paper napkin.


Jesus christ, a B+ for Patty who was getting lit up left and right by ever TWolve that he guarded...good passes but some terrible shot selection. What a bar for the 12mil dollar man. Meh, the Wolves didn't score much when Patty was on the court. He was a weak spot on defense that Minnesota attempted to exploit but he held up decently well compared to many other games this season. Shot-selection a bit liberal but he shot less than usual overall. The previous two games he shot more than twice as often so this was actually a step back towards sanity.


I mean really not a shocker while Poetl struggles when Pau gets minutes. Jakob has to make an impact with 10-15 mins a night when he should really be getting 20-25. No surprise his struggles coincide with Pau getting healthy and Pop feeling obligated to get him token minutes again. Hmm. Well . . .

1. Poeltl's role and playing time is exactly the same whether he's backing up a LMA/Rudy frontline or a LMA/Gasol frontline. That he does way better when backing up the former compared to the latter is weird, IMO.

2. You can't play Poeltl 20-25 minutes unless he's playing next to LMA. Every time Pop has tried that, the Spurs have struggled and ST breaks out in tears saying Pop is making a mistake. For the record, I agree that it'd be great to have Poeltl play 20-25 minutes, which is why I advocated for Pop to live with the struggles and keep starting Poeltl next to LMA so those two can learn to play next to each other. Starting Gasol is the safer move since he has experience next to LMA but it keeps Poeltl pigeonholed as the strict backup center.


The team would benefit exponentially from dumping Gasol by the deadline, regardless of what they get for him.Gasol's value right now is LMA insurance. If Aldridge misses games, suddenly Gasol becomes a really helpful player to have around. And, I mean, if Poeltl were to miss games, the Spurs backup center would be ...... Cunningham? Eubanks? Metu?

That said, if they can straight salary dump Gasol or buy him out with him giving up his $6 million guaranteed next season, that would be tempting. However, I highly doubt either scenario is more than a pipedream.

Mugen
01-19-2019, 07:31 PM
Gasol's value right now is LMA insurance. If Aldridge misses games, suddenly Gasol becomes a really helpful player to have around. And, I mean, if Poeltl were to miss games, the Spurs backup center would be ...... Cunningham? Eubanks? Metu?

That said, if they can straight salary dump Gasol or buy him out with him giving up his $6 million guaranteed next season, that would be tempting. However, I highly doubt either scenario is more than a pipedream.

Lot to unpack there but i'll address the above specifically. If LMA (or Poetl) goes down for an extended period of time, the Spurs are fucked regardless tbh. Pau with all his corporate knowledge and decrepit body isn't helping anybody at this stage in his career.

I haven't watched Eubanks play much in Austin but I have a very hard time believing that he could be any worse than Pau's corpse out there. As long as Eubanks has the ability to move laterally at any pace besides glacial, he'd be a significant improvement. Pau can't even back down smaller guys anymore.

I fully understand how hard it's going to be move Pau but I think it can be done if the Spurs attach the Toronto pick. Most people here wouldn't want to do that but I legit think the Spurs would be a significantly better team just by subtracting Gasol both this year and next.

I think having him around keeps your "insurance" thought in the old man (and the Pop suckers') head that he actually has some value to the team. It's along the same line of thinking that people had in 2011 where Pop suckers were thrilled Matt Bonner was getting so many minutes because they drank the Pop kool aid that Tiago wasn't ready.

I want Pau gone, not even a shred of hesitation on my part. Dump his ass.

exstatic
01-19-2019, 08:44 PM
Agreed about Poetl's post defense, I lol'd when KaT did the rock the baby to him. Tho, I've never been very high on Poetl to begin with, I feel like he is what he is, an energy big off the bench, his ceiling is very limited to begin with.

That’s what I thought about Steven Adams, who was drafted in a later position in his draft. Poeltl’s ceiling is higher.

John B
01-19-2019, 10:46 PM
Thanks for the grades Timvp. Again I was out of town and was not able to watch the game. Watching the highlights which started with Demar as a last minute scratch, I resigned that it was a lost for the good guys. But surprisingly they won, away against Wolves that routed them 36 points. This team has dramatically improved and playing like the old Spurs, regardless who’s the available personnel. Impressed how they stayed with the game plan and did not fold. Gay again proved to be an X factor, Belli was fearless and Bertans growing confident every game. I still hope Walker can join soon over Q-Pon and maybe Huestis if he pans out for the added athleticism. Pau is gone and Pop should really consider giving his minutes elsewhere. All in all, Spurs just keep on improving. GSG!

SpursDynasty85
01-19-2019, 10:53 PM
Thanks for the grades Timvp. Again I was out of town and was not able to watch the game. Watching the highlights which started with Demar as a last minute scratch, I resigned that it was a lost for the good guys. But surprisingly they won, away against Wolves that routed them 36 points. This team has dramatically improved and playing like the old Spurs, regardless who’s the available personnel. Impressed how they stayed with the game plan and did not fold. Gay again proved to be an X factor, Belli was fearless and Bertans growing confident every game. I still hope Walker can join soon over Q-Pon and maybe Huestis if he pans out for the added athleticism. Pau is gone and Pop should really consider giving his minutes elsewhere. All in all, Spurs just keep on improving. GSG!

Covington was also out. Fyi.

timtonymanu
01-19-2019, 11:30 PM
Lot to unpack there but i'll address the above specifically. If LMA (or Poetl) goes down for an extended period of time, the Spurs are fucked regardless tbh. Pau with all his corporate knowledge and decrepit body isn't helping anybody at this stage in his career.

I haven't watched Eubanks play much in Austin but I have a very hard time believing that he could be any worse than Pau's corpse out there. As long as Eubanks has the ability to move laterally at any pace besides glacial, he'd be a significant improvement. Pau can't even back down smaller guys anymore.

I fully understand how hard it's going to be move Pau but I think it can be done if the Spurs attach the Toronto pick. Most people here wouldn't want to do that but I legit think the Spurs would be a significantly better team just by subtracting Gasol both this year and next.

I think having him around keeps your "insurance" thought in the old man (and the Pop suckers') head that he actually has some value to the team. It's along the same line of thinking that people had in 2011 where Pop suckers were thrilled Matt Bonner was getting so many minutes because they drank the Pop kool aid that Tiago wasn't ready.

I want Pau gone, not even a shred of hesitation on my part. Dump his ass.




:tu well said. As if Pau is going to magically turn into LMA with his play. The faster he's off the team, the better. But I feel like PATFO feels the same way OP does.

FkLA
01-19-2019, 11:41 PM
Come on now. I want Purdle to get all his minutes too but it'd be irresponsible to give up an asset (1st rounder) just to get rid of him. We aren't winning a title this year with or without him and his contract can actually get us an asset next year since it's only partially guaranteed.

exstatic
01-19-2019, 11:48 PM
Come on now. I want Purdle to get all his minutes too but it'd be irresponsible to give up an asset (1st rounder) just to get rid of him. We aren't winning a title this year with or without him and his contract can actually get us an asset next year since it's only partially guaranteed.
Nope. His contract turns into a pumpkin after the trade deadline. Changes to the CBA make it so that when his contract is actually only partially guaranteed, we can only take back salary equal to the guaranteed portion. Anyone who wants the salary relief MUST get his contract before the deadline. It sucks, because I thought we could do something during the draft with it. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he’ll either be waived, or waived and stretched this summer.

FkLA
01-20-2019, 12:00 AM
Nope. His contract turns into a pumpkin after the trade deadline. Changes to the CBA make it so that when his contract is actually only partially guaranteed, we can only take back salary equal to the guaranteed portion. Anyone who wants the salary relief MUST get his contract before the deadline. It sucks, because I thought we could do something during the draft with it. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he’ll either be waived, or waived and stretched this summer.

Thanks for the info. Did not know that. My overall point stands though, it'd be dumb and irresponsible to attach an asset to get rid of him. We should be demanding an asset from teams that need cap relief this year not attaching one. If noone bites then waiving/stretching is still the smarter route.

tbdog
01-20-2019, 12:14 AM
As I said in the trade deadline thread, there isn't much out there with multiple years around the 15mil park that is worth a trade. Not when it means it cost us Gay in the offseason.

timvp
01-20-2019, 01:15 AM
Lot to unpack there but i'll address the above specifically. If LMA (or Poetl) goes down for an extended period of time, the Spurs are fucked regardless tbh. Pau with all his corporate knowledge and decrepit body isn't helping anybody at this stage in his career.

I haven't watched Eubanks play much in Austin but I have a very hard time believing that he could be any worse than Pau's corpse out there. As long as Eubanks has the ability to move laterally at any pace besides glacial, he'd be a significant improvement. Pau can't even back down smaller guys anymore.

I fully understand how hard it's going to be move Pau but I think it can be done if the Spurs attach the Toronto pick. Most people here wouldn't want to do that but I legit think the Spurs would be a significantly better team just by subtracting Gasol both this year and next.

I think having him around keeps your "insurance" thought in the old man (and the Pop suckers') head that he actually has some value to the team. It's along the same line of thinking that people had in 2011 where Pop suckers were thrilled Matt Bonner was getting so many minutes because they drank the Pop kool aid that Tiago wasn't ready.

I want Pau gone, not even a shred of hesitation on my part. Dump his ass. I don't vehemently disagree with anything you said regarding Gasol's current level. I think it'd be nice to have him around in case of injury but that's obviously not a certainty ... and not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

Personally, though, I wouldn't be happy with the Spurs giving away the Toronto pick just to rid themselves of Gasol. It'd save a little money and keep a permanent door open for Poeltl but that's not enough to give up that pick, especially when the Spurs have been amazing picking in that range in recent years (Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, Kyle Anderson, etc).

Mikeanaro
01-20-2019, 02:28 AM
Gasol's value right now is LMA insurance. If Aldridge misses games, suddenly Gasol becomes a really helpful player to have around.
If Aldridge misses games Spurs are fucked.

In 3 seasons I cant recall any moment where Gasol did something outstanding for the money he gets, specially during playoffs.

Per Wikipedia

¨On November 11, 2016, he had season highs with 21 points and six assists in a 96–86 win over the Detroit Pistons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Pistons).[81] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-81) On January 19, 2017, he was ruled out indefinitely after breaking his left ring finger during pregame warmups earlier that night.[82] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-82) He underwent surgery the following day to repair a fracture of his left fourth metacarpal.[83] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-83) On February 24, 2017, in a 105–97 win over the Los Angeles Clippers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers), Gasol had 17 points and 11 rebounds off the bench in his return from a 15-game absence because of the finger injury.[84] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-84) On April 12, 2017, Gasol scored 13 points to reach 20,000 career points in a 101–97 regular-season finale loss against the Utah Jazz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz),[85] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-85) becoming the second European player to reach the mark after Dirk Nowitzki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Nowitzki).[86] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-86) On July 24, 2017, Gasol re-signed with the Spurs.[87] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-87) On December 20, 2017, he had 20 points and a season-high 17 rebounds in a 93–91 win over the Portland Trail Blazers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Trail_Blazers).[88] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-88) On December 23, 2017, he recorded his 10th career triple-double with 14 points, 11 rebounds and a season-high 10 assists in a 108–99 win over the Sacramento Kings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings).[89] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-89)[90] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-90) On December 26, 2017, in a 109–97 win over the Brooklyn Nets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Nets), Gasol collected his 10,817th rebound, moving him past Jack Sikma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sikma) for 30th in league history.[91] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-91) On January 26, 2018, in a 97–78 loss to the Philadelphia 76ers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers), Gasol became the 34th player in NBA history to play 40,000 career minutes.[92] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-92) On March 25, 2018, he had 22 points on 10-of-15 shooting and grabbed 13 rebounds in a 106–103 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks).[93] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-93)
After appearing in the first nine games of the 2018–19 season,[94] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol#cite_note-94) Gasol missed the next 26 games with a stress fracture in his right foot. ¨


Gasol had 5 good games in 3 seasons, most of them early in the season.

spurs10
01-20-2019, 02:34 AM
I don't vehemently disagree with anything you said regarding Gasol's current level. I think it'd be nice to have him around in case of injury but that's obviously not a certainty ... and not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

Personally, though, I wouldn't be happy with the Spurs giving away the Toronto pick just to rid themselves of Gasol. It'd save a little money and keep a permanent door open for Poeltl but that's not enough to give up that pick, especially when the Spurs have been amazing picking in that range in recent years (Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, Kyle Anderson, etc). Yep our picks of late have turned into some good prospects...would hate to lose that 1st round pick as well.

Mugen
01-20-2019, 11:29 AM
I don't vehemently disagree with anything you said regarding Gasol's current level. I think it'd be nice to have him around in case of injury but that's obviously not a certainty ... and not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

Personally, though, I wouldn't be happy with the Spurs giving away the Toronto pick just to rid themselves of Gasol. It'd save a little money and keep a permanent door open for Poeltl but that's not enough to give up that pick, especially when the Spurs have been amazing picking in that range in recent years (Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, Kyle Anderson, etc).

It's a valid thought and argument and I flip flop back and forth it on all the time. Until I see that 7ft Spanish slug sliming his way up and down the court, yelling at teammates, and not being able to back down Kemba F'n Walker in the post. Then the decision becomes simple.