Democrats Not Looking Out For The Welfare Of Dreamers

[Spurtacular]

Just political cogs all along. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Dreamers are fine for another ten months.

Derp bubble.

[ducks]

Pelosi’s premature rejection is a hypocritical renunciation of support for policies that Democrats once supported and – in some cases – still pay lip service to today.

Indeed, just five years ago, 54 Senate Democrats voted to double a portion of a southern barrier with Mexico, end chain migration, end the diversity visa lottery, and spend $40 billion on border security (almost eight times what the president is asking for now!).

So what changed?

The person sitting in the Oval Office changed. Democrats now reject the very proposals they once voted for when President Obama sat in the same office.

[Spurtacular]

Dreamers are fine for another ten months.


Go ahead and tell us how.

[Pavlov]

Go ahead and tell us how.Because the Supreme Court didn't take up any of the DACA cases, bubble boy. Unless the cutoff date is extended or something extraordinary happens, all the cases decided in their favor stand until the next session.

Do you understand?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

Because the Supreme Court didn't take up any of the DACA cases, bubble boy. Unless the cutoff date is extended or something extraordinary happens, all the cases decided in their favor stand until the next session.

Do you understand?

Yes or no.

I understand that Dems are unwilling to listen to a three-year extension in return for only a fraction of funds they've voted for in recent history. They're just cogs to Dems, son.

[Spurtacular]

1086742109242179585

[Pavlov]

I understand that Dems are unwilling to listen to a three-year extension in return for only a fraction of funds they've voted for in recent history. They're just cogs to Dems, son.So you don't understand.

lol derp.

[Spurtacular]

So you don't understand.

lol derp.

I understand that they're willing to disregard their stability as they cater to murderers and rapists.

[Pavlov]

I understand that they're willing to disregard their stability as they protect murderers and rapists.What is unstable about them for the next ten months?

Explain.

What is your plan to prevent American rapists and murderers from raping and murdering?

Explain.

[Spurtacular]

What is unstable about them for the next ten months?

Explain.

Sociopath Chump pretending to not know short-term security vs. long-term security.

:rollin

[Pavlov]

Sociopath Chump pretending to not know short-term security vs. long-term security.

:rollinThree years is not long term, derp.

:rollin

[Spurtacular]

Three years is not long term, derp.

:rollin

Two more years is nothing big to dreamers, sociopath says. :tu

[Pavlov]

Two more years is nothing big to dreamers, sociopath says. :tuIt is nothing big to dreamers, derp.

You keep trying to say it is, but it's nothing.

Tell me, what do they get after that?

[Spurtacular]

It is nothing big to dreamers, derp.

You keep trying to say it is, but it's nothing.

Tell me, what do they get after that?

Two years in a political landscape is huge (to say nothing of the personal stability that is added to their lives). I get that you don't think of these things, sociopath. They're just cogs to you.

[Pavlov]

Two years in a political landscape is huge (to say nothing of the personal stability that is added to their lives). I get that you don't think of these things, sociopath. They're just cogs to you.Tell me, what do they get after that?

[Spurs Homer]

What a deal!

DACA kids already had "temporary" protection as long as they followed the rules of their deal -

Trump took it all away for absolutely no good reason and because he is a white supremacist -

Now - trump wants to give the dreamers the "temporary" protection they already had before this clown stole the presidency -

Fuck this criminal traitor.

Pelosi is miles ahead of this traitor scumbag turncoat.

[DMX7]

pathway to citizenship for Dreamers would have been a serious offer... kicking the can down the road for an extra 2-3 years is a non-starter for Dems.

I think Dreamers might just be better off with no deal and the very likely possibility we get a new president in two years or sooner. I think Pence in a uniting mood might be more receptive to it. You've seen how flexible Mike is on wall funding... was asking half of what Trump wanted from the start.

[DMX7]

Two years in a political landscape is huge (to say nothing of the personal stability that is added to their lives). I get that you don't think of these things, sociopath. They're just cogs to you.

"Just COGS"... LMAO... This is a pure partisan play by Trump, in effect turning Dreamers into political footballs to be kicked around indefinitely. A pathway to citizenship gives them personal stability... not kicking the can down the road for another 2 years or so to be followed by what? Deportation?

[Spurtacular]

"Just COGS"... LMAO... This is a pure partisan play by Trump, in effect turning Dreamers into political footballs to be kicked around indefinitely. A pathway to citizenship gives them personal stability... not kicking the can down the road for another 2 years or so to be followed by what? Deportation?

You talk as if they're entitled to a pathway to citizenship. Trump shouldn't have to barter for securing the border. He's making Democrats look like the turncoats they are.

:rollin

[Pavlov]

You talk as if they're entitled to a pathway to citizenship. Trump shouldn't have to barter for securing the border. He's making Democrats look like the turncoats they are.

:rollinSo if there's no pathway to citizenship why should dreamers give a shit about 26 months?

Find some dreamers who are in favor of this deal, derp.

[DMX7]

You talk as if they're entitled to a pathway to citizenship. Trump shouldn't have to barter for securing the border. He's making Democrats look like the turncoats they are.

:rollin

I didn't say they were entitled to it... I'm just saying Trump's offer is a non-starter for Dems... What he wants is expensive, inefficient and probably not even all that effective.

[Spurtacular]

I didn't say they were entitled to it... I'm just saying Trump's offer is a non-starter for Dems... What he wants is expensive, inefficient and probably not even all that effective.

Dems shouldn't need a starter for the wall. They're showing their true colors.

[Pavlov]

Dems shouldn't need a starter for the wall. They're showing their true colors.Why is this your legislative priority now, derp?

Where was it two years ago?

[Spurtacular]

Why is this your legislative priority now, derp?

Where was it two years ago?

I've always been for it.

[Pavlov]

I've always been for it.Yeah, but you never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, but you never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

I've been firmly for it. I don't have any record showing otherwise.

[Pavlov]

I've been firmly for it. I don't have any record showing otherwise.You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

[DMX7]

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

He thought Mexico was going to pay. :cry

[Spurtacular]

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

You were free to break away from you 1200 page cry thread about your Russian nothing burger and inquire.

[Pavlov]

You were free to break away from you 1200 page cry thread about your Russian nothing burger and inquire.Your talking about wall legislation does not require me in any way.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

[Spurtacular]

Your talking about wall legislation does not require me in any way.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

Trump had a large legislative agenda, which included posting strong economic results to mitigate the war on the wall from Democrats and their corporate benefactors.

[Pavlov]

Trump had a large legislative agenda, which included posting strong economic results to mitigate the war on the wall from Democrats and their corporate benefactors.You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

Because right now it looks like you only started caring about the actual legislation when you were told to do so.

[Spurtacular]

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses.

Why not?

Because right now it looks like you only started caring about the actual legislation when you were told to do so.

I've cared about this issue since the 80's when District 9 told us we did not have any choice but to give free services to illegals. Nice fail, sociopath.

[Pavlov]

I've cared about this issue since the 80's when District 9 told us we did not have any choice but to give free services to illegals. Nice fail, sociopath.Yet you never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

[Spurtacular]

Yet you never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

You may recall that not all Repubs were on board with Trump right off. Your argument is frankly disingenuous (and a shallow talking point).

[Pavlov]

You may recall that not all Repubs were on board with Trump right off. Your argument is frankly disingenuous (and a shallow talking point).I'm not talking about all Repubs.

I'm asking you a question about you.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

[Spurtacular]

I'm not talking about all Repubs.

I'm asking you a question about you.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

I'm sorry you think that there was a pre-qualifier in place. There wasn't.

[Pavlov]

I'm sorry you think that there was a pre-qualifier in place. There wasn't.I'm not talking about pre-qualifiers in place about anything.

I'm asking you a question.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

[ElNono]

It's not an unreasonable offer, tbh, what's unreasonable is to hold the government hostage over it.

He knows declaring an emergency is the only way he's gonna get that wall/fence, he's just tilting the table so when he rescinds the offer and goes campaigning, he can tell Dreamers the dems screwed them over, and he still got his wall.

The biggest problem with that political play is that: 1) Republicans in general couldn't give two shit about dreamers, 2) that's not about to change anytime soon, especially with his base and 3) if he loses re-election, dreamers very likely get a better deal anyways.

He got desperate once he lost the mid-terms and control of Congress, and he overplayed his hand. This is probably the best Mitch could come up with to try to help him save face, but it's not going anywhere, IMO.

[Pavlov]

It's not an unreasonable offer, tbh, what's unreasonable is to hold the government hostage over it.

He knows declaring an emergency is the only way he's gonna get that wall/fence, he's just tilting the table so when he rescinds the offer and goes campaigning, he can tell Dreamers the dems screwed them over, and he still got his wall.

The biggest problem with that political play is that: 1) Republicans in general couldn't give two shit about dreamers, 2) that's not about to change anytime soon, especially with his base and 3) if he loses re-election, dreamers very likely get a better deal anyways.

He got desperate once he lost the mid-terms and control of Congress, and he overplayed his hand. This is probably the best Mitch could come up with to try to help him save face, but it's not going anywhere, IMO.Cocaine Mitch did nothing but go along. This is Rush/Hannity/Coulter scaring Trump into this by saying he'd lose his base if he caved on the wall.

[ElNono]

Cocaine Mitch did nothing but go along. This is Rush/Hannity/Coulter scaring Trump into this by saying he'd lose his base if he caved on the wall.

Coulter is already bitching on Twitter about amnesty and called him Jeb... I don't think this deal came from the hardliners on his base, this is probably Mitch trying to frame this into a political play.

[Pavlov]

Coulter is already bitching on Twitter about amnesty and called him Jeb... I don't think this deal came from the hardliners on his base, this is probably Mitch trying to frame this into a political play.Right, I was talking about this shutdown in the first place. Maybe Mitch is involved but I can see Trump in the situation room with Miller, Kushner and Ivanka trying to bring back det ol' art of the deal and Mick in the corner just shaking his head.

[Spurtacular]

I'm not talking about pre-qualifiers in place about anything.

I'm asking you a question.

You never said anything about any legislation for it for two whole years when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency.

Why not?

I've already answered that I allowed Trump to go through his paces.

[Spurtacular]

Cocaine Mitch did nothing but go along. This is Rush/Hannity/Coulter scaring Trump into this by saying he'd lose his base if he caved on the wall.


Coulter is already bitching on Twitter about amnesty and called him Jeb... I don't think this deal came from the hardliners on his base, this is probably Mitch trying to frame this into a political play.

Minus the cynicism, Chump is right. Mitch doesn't want the fallout. And while I don't think Mitch is that adept; I think he is benefiting from the Dems being exposed on this.

[Pavlov]

I've already answered that I allowed Trump to go through his paces.So you waited for him to tell you to care.

lol

[FrostKing]

What a deal!

DACA kids already had "temporary" protection as long as they followed the rules of their deal -

Trump took it all away for absolutely no good reason and because he is a white supremacist -

Now - trump wants to give the dreamers the "temporary" protection they already had before this clown stole the presidency -

Fuck this criminal traitor.

Pelosi is miles ahead of this traitor scumbag turncoat.
Traitor to non residents/citizens?

Fuck off with your refugees

[ElNono]

Minus the cynicism, Chump is right. Mitch doesn't want the fallout. And while I don't think Mitch is that adept; I think he is benefiting from the Dems being exposed on this.

The only fallout Mitch cares about is people getting fed up because they can't travel, get their tax refunds, etc. This is where this is heading if the shutdown extends for too long, and he knows it. He can only quarterback his senators for so long, until pressure mounts, and it's going to be on him.

He has bills from the House to fund the government he can put to a vote right now, this is why the Dems have nothing to lose. POTUS really overplayed his hand thinking the shutdown gave him leverage, and he completely misread the situation.

What's worse, there's going to be 2 more years of chicanery like this.

[Spurs Homer]

Traitor to non residents/citizens?

Fuck off with your refugees


Traitor to the USA citizens for selling out the USA TO Russia.

and

STFU with your cheapie nazi troll lameness.

[Spurtacular]

So you waited for him to tell you to care.

lol

It clearly bothers you that I think a president isn't supposed to accomplish an eight-year agenda in one or two years.

lol

[Spurtacular]

The only fallout Mitch cares about is people getting fed up because they can't travel, get their tax refunds, etc. This is where this is heading if the shutdown extends for too long, and he knows it. He can only quarterback his senators for so long, until pressure mounts, and it's going to be on him.

He has bills from the House to fund the government he can put to a vote right now, this is why the Dems have nothing to lose. POTUS really overplayed his hand thinking the shutdown gave him leverage, and he completely misread the situation.

What's worse, there's going to be 2 more years of chicanery like this.

Nothing's overplayed. In the upcoming election, Democrats aren't going to be able BS that border security is any sort of priority. Americans don't want people coming in lowering their wages. If Dems were smart, they would've understood that from last presidential election. But lobbyists are steering their boat. This is a huge W for the president.

[Pavlov]

It clearly bothers you that I think a president isn't supposed to accomplish an eight-year agenda in one or two years.

lol
That's not what you did.

:lmao "eight year agenda"

Tell me, what was keeping him from asking Congress for 5 billion for a wall?

For two whole years.

Be specific.

[Joseph Kony]

spurtacular is easily the shittiest poster on all of ST, maybe even all time. shit political takes, shit club threads, shit basketball takes. just kill yourself already

[Spurtacular]

That's not what you did.

:lmao "eight year agenda"

Tell me, what was keeping him from asking Congress for 5 billion for a wall?

For two whole years.

Be specific.

Tell me why 5 billion is a big deal when Congress has voted 40 billion for it in the past.

Be specific.

[Pavlov]

Tell me why 5 billion is a big deal when Congress has voted 40 billion for it in the past.

Be specific. Exactly-- so why did Trump wait until he was in his weakest political position to ask Congress for it?

Explain.

Be specific.

[baseline bum]

Americans don't want people coming in lowering their wages.

Trump does, that's why he hires them. If Trump and Republicans cared about illegals coming in and lowering Americans' wages they'd have made it a jailable crime to hire illegals when they had full control of Washington. But they didn't because Trump and the GOP love illegal immigration every bit as much as the Democrats do.

[Chucho]

Trump does, that's why he hires them. If Trump and Republicans cared about illegals coming in and lowering Americans' wages they'd have made it a jailable crime to hire illegals when they had full control of Washington. But they didn't because Trump and the GOP love illegal immigration every bit as much as the Democrats do.

100% stone cold truth.

We see it here in California where our scumbag Demo politicans flat out state that someone needs to pick the fruit and tend to the farms and the Repubs want them to be their towel and cabana boys and maids at their exotic resorts.

IF Americans overall cared about the "lowering of wages", they'd be honest with themselves and just admit there are Americans, lots of Americans that are not above doing this work for those wages. Our entitlement society has a real bad case of "keeping up with the Joneses" and think everyone who lives in this country should be entitled to a higher quality of life they aren't qualified to and they would insist that more "real life" skills classes be made available to them in public school.

More economics, tradesman courses (basically anything that an ITT tech would offer for exorbitant tuitions to kids not accepted to traditional colleges or looking to be a tradesman or IT tech) and entrepreneurial courses should all be part of high school. Simple and the easiest way to send more productive and qualified people into the adult world.

Instead we send out severely under prepared idiots into the real world with zero real world preparation who expect an instant middle class or better living despite not having skills, or the proper expectations.

It starts with our society producing over entitled citizens first and having to be real and accept certain realities they aren't willing to accept.

[FrostKing]

> cheap labor

Isn't automation here? Just looks like a ploy to further drop the white percentage and thus Republican voting base.

[Pavlov]

True robot nannies, maids and construction workers have made people completely unnecessary for anything.

[Spurtacular]

Exactly-- so why did Trump wait until he was in his weakest political position to ask Congress for it?

Explain.

Be specific.

It's your conspiracy theory. Go ahead and explain it.

[Spurtacular]

spurtacular is easily the shittiest poster on all of ST, maybe even all time. shit political takes, shit club threads, shit basketball takes. just kill yourself already

:lol Alt outburst.

[Pavlov]

It's your conspiracy theory. Go ahead and explain it.He didn't care about it and congressional Republicans DEFINITELY didn't care about it.

Otherwise, Trump would have asked for it and Republicans would have voted for it when they had their best numbers.

That's how legislation works.

There's my theory.

What's your explanation, derp?

Step up.

[Pavlov]

:lol Alt outburst.:lmao you do the same exact thing.

[FrostKing]

You can't automate everything you dumb fuck. :lmao
325.7 Million Americans isn't enough to fill in the gaps?

[FrostKing]

No you dumb fuck. It's been a problem for decades. :lmao
The technology is growing not shrinking.

The global population should be SHRINKING. Amount of resources is shrinking.

America should be focused on vertical expansion and reinvesting in educating its own not importing college students from overseas. You're so out of the loop you're still focused on the strawberry industry

[rmt]

100% stone cold truth.

We see it here in California where our scumbag Demo politicans flat out state that someone needs to pick the fruit and tend to the farms and the Repubs want them to be their towel and cabana boys and maids at their exotic resorts.

IF Americans overall cared about the "lowering of wages", they'd be honest with themselves and just admit there are Americans, lots of Americans that are not above doing this work for those wages. Our entitlement society has a real bad case of "keeping up with the Joneses" and think everyone who lives in this country should be entitled to a higher quality of life they aren't qualified to and they would insist that more "real life" skills classes be made available to them in public school.

More economics, tradesman courses (basically anything that an ITT tech would offer for exorbitant tuitions to kids not accepted to traditional colleges or looking to be a tradesman or IT tech) and entrepreneurial courses should all be part of high school. Simple and the easiest way to send more productive and qualified people into the adult world.

Instead we send out severely under prepared idiots into the real world with zero real world preparation who expect an instant middle class or better living despite not having skills, or the proper expectations.

It starts with our society producing over entitled citizens first and having to be real and accept certain realities they aren't willing to accept.

I saw this youtube video with machines that pick blueberries, lemons and strawberries and if these machines are any indication, soon there won't be a need for anyone to pick fruit - just someone to drive the machines over the fruit trees. They were nothing short of miraculous - perfect blueberries ready to be packaged. The strawberries machine had a conveyor belt where a single person loaded the strawberries right into the containers (out there in the field). The lemon one had about 8 cranes that needed 8 people to pick the lemons (one higher, one below) as the machine drove by the lemon trees.

At ds' school, there is a big push for almost the entire population to go to college - they actually advertise that in their orientation. It's a source of pride that most will be first generation college graduates (very high hispanic immigrant population) instead of useful trades like electrician, plumbing, etc. These days, if one isn't going into the health or IT/computer fields, it won't be so easy to live that American dream with a college degree (especially with the debt incurred).

[FrostKing]

And yet illegals still do most of the manual labor. They ain't going away in the near future too. :lmao

A growing population and no American wants those jobs. It's like a fact of fucking life. I can tell you don't live here just on that. :lol
Is that because America is unable or unwilling to educate/train its own? Average American can't manually fix or cook anything.

Schools dropped home ec and wood shop in favor of social awareness/sex ed classes - pushed by Liberals

[rmt]

Not everything is on a fucking tree. :lmao :lmao

You got to be some fucking retard. :lol

It's just a matter of time. Anything repetitive - even white collar work will be likely replaced - see e.g. a radiologist - computers can read/process those x-rays/pics much faster and more accurately.

[Pavlov]

Robot nannies.

[rmt]

Robot nannies.

Probably doctors before nurses.

[Will Hunting]

Is that because America is unable or unwilling to educate/train its own? Average American can't manually fix or cook anything.

Schools dropped home ec and wood shop in favor of social awareness/sex ed classes - pushed by Liberals
:lmao what? Those classes got dropped because of the retarded emphasis on standardized testing that we’ve seen in K-12 education the last ~30 years or so, has nothing to do with a liberal agenda (same reason there’s less PE, schools are focused on cramming for standardized testing so they can compete for funding). Sex Ed isn’t even taught in high school when those classes used to be taught, it’s almost always in middle school.

[Pavlov]

Probably doctors before nurses.What does that have to do with nannies?

[Spurtacular]

He didn't care about it and congressional Republicans DEFINITELY didn't care about it.

Otherwise, Trump would have asked for it and Republicans would have voted for it when they had their best numbers.

That's how legislation works.

There's my theory.

What's your explanation, derp?

Step up.

I already explained that Trump had a comprehensive legislative agenda and that he had not yet unified Republicans.

:lol "Step up"
:lol Try listening next time.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao you do the same exact thing.

Cheeky takes vs. butthurt takes.

:rollin

[Pavlov]

I already explained that Trump had a comprehensive legislative agenda and that he had not yet unified Republicans yet.

:lol "Step up"
:lol Try listening next time.How is it comprehensive if it doesn't include the wall?

Explain.

[Pavlov]

Cheeky takes vs. butthurt takes.

:rollinTrue, you're butthurt.

[rmt]

:lmao what? Those classes got dropped because of the retarded emphasis on standardized testing that we’ve seen in K-12 education the last ~30 years or so, has nothing to do with a liberal agenda (same reason there’s less PE, schools are focused on cramming for standardized testing so they can compete for funding). Sex Ed isn’t even taught in high school when those classes used to be taught, it’s almost always in middle school.

So, how do you propose to see if students are progressing or teachers are held accountable if not for standardized testing? Anything tied to funding is going to be emphasized.

[rmt]

There are many tools to help Doctors, Engineers, so on and so on. If you ever worked in any industry, everything has fucking bugs everywhere. The Doctors or Engineers use their "Experience" in their field and they make a determination. The computers don't have this. Illegals will be here picking during my lifetime. That I can bet.

LOL - you don't have to tell me about "bugs." Computers (through AI) have the ability to "learn" from any pattern. And medicine (as in diagnosis) - if this is present, that blood level, that symptom, etc = particular diagnosis. I think they'll (doctors) will be replaced (or greatly reduced) before nurses - changing bedpans, turning patients, taking temperature/bp, etc.

[Spurtacular]

True, you're butthurt.

:lol Blake level comebacks.

[Spurtacular]

How is it comprehensive if it doesn't include the wall?

Explain.

Do you really want to be spoon fed this badly?

[Pavlov]

:lol Blake level comebacks.:lol dude is always on your mind.

[Pavlov]

Do you really want to be spoon fed this badly?How is it comprehensive if it doesn't include the wall?

Explain.

[ElNono]

Nothing's overplayed. In the upcoming election, Democrats aren't going to be able BS that border security is any sort of priority. Americans don't want people coming in lowering their wages. If Dems were smart, they would've understood that from last presidential election. But lobbyists are steering their boat. This is a huge W for the president.

This shutdown isn't over broader immigration reform, it's about that stupid wall. The vast majority of people don't care about it other than Trump and his base and the Dems certainly aren't after those voters.

IMO, he's not getting that wall through Congress, and every day this shutdown continues he's taking an L after another (which affects from the common people traveling to the farmers he screwed over with tariffs).

I get it he's going to have to find a way to save face on this, tbh, but other than the Dems caving, I don't see it.

[rmt]

AI's. :lmao

Tells me how far from the wagon you are. :lmao

"Coding" something to respond with "human responses" is nothing fucking close to diagnosing someone without potentially killing them or designing a building and the 10's of other engineering teams to finish a project. :lol

I am not referring to coding. Artificial Intelligence/Machine Learning is what I'm referring to.

Stanford’s deep learning algorithm was tested against 21 board-certified dermatologists who reviewed a reported 370 images and were asked if “they would proceed with biopsy or treatment, or reassure the patient” based on each image. Results showed that the algorithm had the same ability as the 21 dermatologists in determining the best course of action across all images.

https://emerj.com/ai-sector-overviews/machine-learning-medical-diagnostics-4-current-applications/

[SpursforSix]

Doctor's aint getting replaced by shit. :lmao :lmao

That’s pretty short sighted.

[rmt]

I mean what proof is there? I see zero fucking movement anywhere. :lol

It's coming. At first, it'll be tools to "help" the professionals and then it'll reduce the number and then eventually replace. Imagine - no salary, no sickness, no vacation, not getting tired/making mistakes, etc - it'll be a business decision - the same way a Physician's Assistant does my annual checkup now and one physician "signs off" on all her decisions - replace docs' salary/time with PAs.

[Spurtacular]

How is it comprehensive if it doesn't include the wall?

Explain.

Comprehensive doesn't include everything under the sun.

[Spurtacular]

:lol dude is always on your mind.

He's your cuck buddy, not mine.

:rollin

[Spurtacular]

This shutdown isn't over broader immigration reform, it's about that stupid wall. The vast majority of people don't care about it other than Trump and his base and the Dems certainly aren't after those voters.

IMO, he's not getting that wall through Congress, and every day this shutdown continues he's taking an L after another (which affects from the common people traveling to the farmers he screwed over with tariffs).

I get it he's going to have to find a way to save face on this, tbh, but other than the Dems caving, I don't see it.

Dems went in vacationed in Puerto Rico with their lobbyists because they didn't want to invest in that "stupid wall". Big W for Trump. Dems stripes shown. Even giving the finger to dreamers. :lol

[Pavlov]

Comprehensive doesn't include everything under the sun.Why wouldn't it include a measly (according to you) $5 billion for a wall?


He's your cuck buddy, not mine.

:rollinHe's always on your mind and you cry out for him day and night.

Not me.

:rollin

[SpursforSix]

It's coming. At first, it'll be tools to "help" the professionals and then it'll reduce the number and then eventually replace. Imagine - no salary, no sickness, no vacation, not getting tired/making mistakes, etc - it'll be a business decision - the same way a Physician's Assistant does my annual checkup now and one physician "signs off" on all her decisions - replace docs' salary/time with PAs.

I think the only thing the doctors have in their favor is the lobbying power of the AMA and more importantly, BigPharma. They won’t sit idly by and watch prescriptions decline.

[Spurtacular]

Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking moron.

They dont let you live independently do they radio? You’re like the anti Forrest Gump

You really should get on meds, tbh.

[rmt]

I think the only thing the doctors have in their favor is the lobbying power of the AMA and more importantly, BigPharma. They won’t sit idly by and watch prescriptions decline.

Most of health care (optometry, primary care, etc.) are consolidating into these big companies. The only one which seems to be lagging is dentistry/orthodontics, where in my area, there are still single owner practitioners. I am amazed at the number of prescriptions I see (literally bulging from their containers) at my local CVS when I pick up my son's epipen annually. IOW, a lot of the problem is rooted in lack of information/misinformation of basic nutrition - that is handed out by not only the doctors/PAs themselves but the government (MyPlate (no fat), food pyramid (old, I know), etc).

[SpursforSix]

Most of health care (optometry, primary care, etc.) are consolidating into these big companies. The only one which seems to be lagging is dentistry/orthodontics, where in my area, there are still single owner practitioners. I am amazed at the number of prescriptions I see (literally bulging from their containers) at my local CVS when I pick up my son's epipen annually. IOW, a lot of the problem is rooted in lack of information/misinformation of basic nutrition - that is handed out by not only the doctors/PAs themselves but the government (MyPlate (no fat), food pyramid (old, I know), etc).

A case could be made that the old food pyramid actually led to more health problems and some of the major associations (American Cancer Society, and American Heart Association in particular) are influenced heavily by corporate interests.

[Pavlov]

Art of the deal. The best arting.
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