Any way the Spurs get in on the Anthony Davis conversation!?!

[DAF86]

I can't believe anyone would debate this.

Apart from the statistical analysis, in the real world, does anyone doubt that each and every NBA GM would consider it a no-brainer to trade Kawhi for AD?

What statistical analysis? The one that favours Kawhi over AD? :lol

Also, in the real World, Kawhi is a better player and a much more accomplished one.

[KGB POP]

Why do white fans hate seeing Black players in power? Nothing angers them more:lol

Davis stayed with the Pelicans for 7 seasons, he gave them plenty of time to make moves to convince him to stay..he's supposed to allow Dell Demps to dictate his legacy?

You want him to stay with a garbage team run by a horrible front office his entire career, but you'll still call him a loser when he retires without a ring..

Long-time lurker here from the Spurs Fan, T-Park days. Davis is under contract-that has to mean something. Davis is free to sign wherever he wants when his contract expires. Or at the very least, he shouldn't tank his trade value by saying he only wants to play for the Lakers, who are currently a garbage franchise that have done nothing to deserve obtaining Davis. They don't have assets worth shit. But the I guess the Lakers are too big to fail, huh?

And, yes, I believe there are a lot of white bigots who can't stand what Lebron and player empowerment represent. I personally think player empowerment is great. But it's shallow to assume that is the SOLE reason some fans are upset is because of racism.

Oh, and if players set the precedent of ignoring contracts, what's to stop ownership from doing the same eventually?

[NameLess Scrub]

Yeah, because that worked for both PG13 and KL2.


:lol


Well George was a FA that got paid, and Kawhi demanded LA to the Spurs.

Now that AD supposedly demanded Lakers, I want to see if they can get him.

[kaji157]

It's been now three consecutive years of Star players demanding or asking in the media for trades to the Lakers and not a sign from the league.
The other owners might be all chickens

[duncan2k5]

Then how is LA going to get AD if they don’t have the youth that is better than SA nor the mid-tier star like DDR/LMA to offer?

having lebron with one other decent young player would be better than just AD and out young players... And he will be in LA... AD will never come here... Let's stop the nonsense please

[duncan2k5]

Well by your logic, LMA sucks and what has AD done to warrant your approval?

AD is immensely better than LMA... the only people that would ever say LMA is better than AD is ppl on spurstalk.com

[duncan2k5]

If you are local, and watch the games, the studio guy, Dan, pointed out that there is a historic career dip in January for Demar, and it's his worst month by far. The good news is that Feb/Mar/Apr are all good to outstanding for him.

I wouldn't worry about this slump. I just think he's gassed. Pop leaned into him really hard to carry the team for the 1st half of the season, and it's taking it's toll.

If u think his slump ends in just January, you haven't been watching the guy

[duncan2k5]

Derrick IS better than Ingram. Kuzma is likely better than Bryn.

LMFAO

[duncan2k5]

I would 100% say the group of Murray, White, Lonnie & Bertans is better than Lonzo, Ingram & Kuz.

LMFAO! Murray is better than Ball, but Kuz and Ingram are better than white and Lonnie, and it isn't even close... Lonnie can't even get in an NBA game, my guy... And both Kuz and Ingram are younger than white, have a higher ceiling, and are putting up better numbers... White will never be a star, whereas Kuz and Ingram are expected to be eventually

[duncan2k5]

I remember when spurs fans used to laugh at the notion that AD was better than Kawhi... Lol

[duncan2k5]

We will because of common sense. No one as good as him is only capable of 1 playoff series win and 2 playoff appearances in 6 seasons because of some inherent flaw with them.

I haven't been around in a few weeks; even greatness gets rusty. I forgot that the vast majority either doesn't know better, doesn't factor that in or both.

He was never better than James for the simple fact that the latter possesses the most important skill in the game and the one he doesn't: the ability to make his teammates better.

Which teammates have lebron made better?

[duncan2k5]

If out FO wanted to trade Kawhi for AD back in 2017,spurs fans ALL would have throw a FIT... Any GM would take Kawhi over AD if their intention is to win playoff games...Kawhi is a baller, and he can singlehandedly lift a team in the playoffs, whereas AD doesn't... AD is great... He just doesn't have the IT factor... Kawhi gets dirty... I've seen the guy sky over everyone when the team absolutely NEEDS a rebound... I don't see AD doing whatever it takes to win... And clearly that has manifested itself in his career... Kawhi can go to ANY team in the NBA right now, and they'd be a lock for the playoffs

[YGWHI]

For those saying owners/teams need more power...

-Kawhi family wanted him in LA home and he was traded to Siberia

-Paul George wanted to play for Lakers and he ended in Tornado City

-Buttler was traded to depressed Minny

-IT played injured for C's, he gave them all but he was traded

-DeRozan didn't want a trade but he's in San Antonio now

-Blake signed to play in LA but he's in the cold Detroit, lost in the middle of nowhere


For a "players power league"...it seems like players have zero leverage

[YGWHI]

I wouldn't bite on AD>>>Kawhi or Kawhi>>>>AD

This Davis' trade won't answer questions about these two players' individual value...It will show the importance of having a real agent.

Rich Paul can be a jerk but he's a pro agent with the right NBA teams' connections

1090382535975100416

[dbreiden83080]

7 seasons in the league and he has made the playoffs twice.. Something is way off with this guy. I don't care about his stats..

[UZER]

The Spurs can’t even get Bertans in the 3pt contest. You think the NBA will let AD come here. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't believe I'm watching duncan2k5 bodying dudes :lol

Spurs homers taking White and scrubs over Kuzma and Ingram rofl....

[John B]

I see AD going to Raptors and staying there with Kawhi, anything to spoil LeBron/Magic tampering. But if Pels agree, Demar, Murray and Raps pick should work :lol Murray >>> Lonzo Ball without the baggage plus they get a proven scorer on Demar.

[exstatic]

:lol


Well George was a FA that got paid, and Kawhi demanded LA to the Spurs.

Now that AD supposedly demanded Lakers, I want to see if they can get him.

George wanted LA also. Said he wouldn't re-sign with anyone but the Lakers.

If you can put the player into a good team situation, winning and such, greed will take over, and they will likely stay. Most in this situation have already left the supermax on the table, and would be loathe to leave another $40M behind to go play for Magic's dysfunctional Mystery Tour.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kevin Love with a unibrow isn't staying in Toronto, unfortunately. His agent is Lebron's best friend, and he's all but told teams he's only re-signing with LA. Folks also found some tweets of the statpadder bad mouthing Toronto, even complained that they didn't even have ESPN on TV...

[ElNono]

I rather keep MVPau, tbh, bigs are useless in this league, and he’s overrated on top of that. Rather have the savvy veteran that has been through the battles before. Hopefully the Spurs can retain him on a reasonable 3 year deal.

[Maddog]

7 seasons in the league and he has made the playoffs twice.. Something is way off with this guy. I don't care about his stats..

There may be something there..
That said, he's had pretty bad surrounding talent and far from great coaching.

It's next to impossible for the Spurs to get him unless NO does us a good one with a third team involved.
I can see a few unlikely scenarios involving Boston but as said highly unlikely.

This will be interesting. Especially long term for the NOP. It's the NBA's second smallest metro area and second smallest TV market.
Currently 25th in attendance per game. it once again brings up the difficulty of small market teams being competitive for a title. Since the ABA/NBA merger only 4 teams outside the top 10 metro areas have won a title (Port, Sea, SA and Clev) with 3 being outside the top 20. Portland has manged to remain competitive throughout- in part due to a billionaire owner and rabid fan base.

[YGWHI]

7 seasons in the league and he has made the playoffs twice.. Something is way off with this guy. I don't care about his stats..

Well it seems like other stars on less-talent rosters did much than AD in his career

"I have a question.

We all acknowledge Anthony Davis is better than Dame, right? More valuable, etc.

Go look at Dame’s roster since LMA left. REALLY go look at it.

How has he made the playoffs every year and Davis has… done what he has?"

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1090324527832129536

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi isn't 5 games under .500 with Holiday, Randle, Mirotic, Moore, and Okafor. Period. Even players like Lillard and Aldridge (in two different teams) have done more with far less.

Folks will see Davis is a loser when he plays next to Teflon Lebron. It's coming. :lol

[pad300]

Can't believe I'm watching duncan2k5 bodying dudes :lol

Spurs homers taking White and scrubs over Kuzma and Ingram rofl....

Both you and duncan2k5 showing your not paying attention... The OP had Bertans, White, Murray, Lonnie in that comparison. Check the stats, do an eye-test (and get some glasses both of you), and well

Bertans > Kuzma
White > Ingram
Murray >= Ball (don't forget to factor in Lavar...)

Looks like a sweep to the Spurs for me.

[TheGreatYacht]

Both you and duncan2k5 showing your not paying attention... The OP had Bertans, White, Murray, Lonnie in that comparison. Check the stats, do an eye-test (and get some glasses both of you), and well

Bertans > Kuzma
White > Ingram
Murray >= Ball (don't forget to factor in Lavar...)

Looks like a sweep to the Spurs for me.
:rollin I may need an eye-test but you're in need of an Alzheimer's test, son. Ooof

I'm also failing to realize why folks are acting like Zubac isn't 21 years old and part of their young core? I think I know why, but that's none of my business.

Kuzma >>> Bertans
Ingram >>> Murray & Walker
Zubac >>>>>>>> Poeltl
Hart < White

[dbreiden83080]

Well it seems like other stars on less-talent rosters did much than AD in his career

"I have a question.

We all acknowledge Anthony Davis is better than Dame, right? More valuable, etc.

Go look at Dame’s roster since LMA left. REALLY go look at it.

How has he made the playoffs every year and Davis has… done what he has?"

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1090324527832129536

I don't watch him play on a reg basis, so I can't speak to exactly what the problem is? But the numbers in terms of wins and losses speak volumes. We have seen guys like Davis in the league before packing those stat sheets and losing a lot of ball games. Hell Kevin Love was once a 26/13 guy in Minnesota. A little more old school, Latrell Sprewell was once putting up 25 a game winning 30 games in GS. Tracy McGrady used to put up God like numbers in the league and never got his teams anywhere. The knock on him was lack of playoff success. AD does not even make the playoffs all but 2 times in 7 years. Hell he had Cousins for a while and NO still was not very good. Something is just Off with AD. He clearly is NOT making anyone any better. He just puts up the stats..

[TheGreatYacht]

21 year old Zubac has more potential than any of our young players :lol much less Kuzma and Ingram..

This season when Zubac gets between 30-39 minutes:
(4 games, 32.7MP, 19.3ppg, 10.5rpg)

This season when Zubac gets between 20-29 minutes:
(6 games, 22.5MP, 14.7ppg, 7.5rpg)

If im RC, I try to be part of that trade only to get him. Would give New Orleans: Forbes, Walker and Toronto's pick....

[mo7888]

21 year old Zubac has more potential than any of our young players :lol much less Kuzma and Ingram..



If im RC, I try to be part of that trade only to get him. Would give New Orleans: Forbes, Walker and Toronto's pick....

:clap:clap Your Troll game is epic!

[KDKSpurs24]

7 seasons in the league and he has made the playoffs twice.. Something is way off with this guy. I don't care about his stats..
Or... it could be the fact that the Pelicans have had THE most injured team in the whole league since he’s been there. Definitely a factor.

[DPG21920]

AD is immensely better than LMA... the only people that would ever say LMA is better than AD is ppl on spurstalk.com

You didn’t answer the question

[DPG21920]

LMFAO! Murray is better than Ball, but Kuz and Ingram are better than white and Lonnie, and it isn't even close... Lonnie can't even get in an NBA game, my guy... And both Kuz and Ingram are younger than white, have a higher ceiling, and are putting up better numbers... White will never be a star, whereas Kuz and Ingram are expected to be eventually

:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Or... it could be the fact that the Pelicans have had THE most injured team in the whole league since he’s been there. Definitely a factor.

With Lebron getting to the end of the road, if AD goes to LA, they will need 2 or 3 more star players around AD to win anything..

[NameLess Scrub]

George wanted LA also. Said he wouldn't re-sign with anyone but the Lakers.

If you can put the player into a good team situation, winning and such, greed will take over, and they will likely stay. Most in this situation have already left the supermax on the table, and would be loathe to leave another $40M behind to go play for Magic's dysfunctional Mystery Tour.

I think there's a difference between getting there by trade or by free agency.

Free agency wise I agree. Trade wise we have SA probably making sure Kawhi didn't go to the Lakers so easily, but I didn't think that was necessarily the case with the Pelicans.

That's before AD supposedly demanded to go to the Lakers. That's what makes the organizations send their players to another country, IMHO :lol

[lmbebo]

Stephen A Smith on his radio show saying NO not trading AD unless can't miss deal offered. And sounds like they may wait till he is a free agent and risk losing him for nothing. But will offer him the extension next summer and as a free agent which may worth up to $300 million at that point. And at that point as a FA, he would be walking away from over $100 million dollars (maybe like $125 million).

That everyone talks about endorsement deals, etc. But many players don't make that much with endorsement deals or shoe deals.

[lmbebo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/pelicans-reportedly-arent-picking-phone-anthony-davis-trade-calls-181930885.html

Demps not talking at all apparently

[RD2191]

https://sports.yahoo.com/pelicans-reportedly-arent-picking-phone-anthony-davis-trade-calls-181930885.html

Demps not talking at all apparently

Good. Fuck the Lakers.

[RD2191]

How long before ESPN starts blaming for Pop for Demps not answering calls? :lol

[lmbebo]

How long before ESPN starts blaming for Pop for Demps not answering calls? :lol

ESPN is always blaming Pop for everything.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao
What's so funny?

[monty4329]

I dunno... Pop just dealt with essentially the same issue and sent Kawhi East instead of his preferred destination in the West, and I could see him making the argument that giving in to demands of a player under contract sets a bad precedent for GMs. LeBron is 34 now, and every little delay put in his way lessens the chance of the Lakers building a team that could challenge for a ring. I guess I would just phrase it as "trying to prevent another superteam" as opposed to "trying to screw over" the Lakers because of a vendetta.

The Toronto trade was the best available on paper. Unfortunately PATFO, with all the resources of an NBA front office, didn't think about looking inside DDR underwear and were hence tricked into believing he had a pair.

[TD 21]

Kawhi's winning % as a leader is even better than his overall winning %, tbh. He has two 60+ wins seasons under his belt on that role.

I was clearly talking playoffs, which is why I brought up his paltry resume as a lead option.

[DAF86]

I was clearly talking playoffs, which is why I brought up his paltry resume as a lead option.

Three playoffs appearances in three tries. A first round, a second round and a WCF. That beats the shit out of Davis entire career.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The Toronto trade was the best available on paper. Unfortunately PATFO, with all the resources of an NBA front office, didn't think about looking inside DDR underwear and were hence tricked into believing he had a pair.

A nut check wasn't necessary. Any player that is benched by his team in the playoffs because of suck ass play should tell you all you need to know about that player.

[TD 21]

Three playoffs appearances in three tries. A first round, a second round and a WCF. That beats the shit out of Davis entire career.

Those Spurs teams would have made the playoffs without him and beating the Grizzlies isn't exactly a claim to fame. Also, he didn't make the WCF. He got injured during the WCSF and his team advanced without him.

He's done nothing notable as a lead option in the playoffs. Matter fact, he lost two series when his team was (wrongly) regarded as clear favorites.

[Barfunk]

Lol Stephen A. subtly trying to get people to hate Pop with this leak. He's always hated the Spurs deep down. Well I guess that goes for most of the media outside SA.

[DAF86]

Those Spurs teams would have made the playoffs without him and beating the Grizzlies isn't exactly a claim to fame. Also, he didn't make the WCF. He got injured during the WCSF and his team advanced without him.

He's done nothing notable as a lead option in the playoffs. Matter fact, he lost two series when his team was (wrongly) regarded as clear favorites.

Do you think the Spurs would have beaten the Rockets without Kawhi for the entire series? I don't. So I count that as a WCF appearance for Kawhi too. And let's not forget what happened on that WCF. :lol

[Chillen]

They are not taking phone calls because he is going to likely get traded to Boston in the summer. If Ainge offered Tatum that seals the deal, they are also hoping he changes his mind and stays with Pelicans.

At this point Lakers need to worry about making the playoffs more than trading half their roster for a superstar player like AD.

[KimmyGib]

.

[TD 21]

Do you think the Spurs would have beaten the Rockets without Kawhi for the entire series? I don't. So I count that as a WCF appearance for Kawhi too. And let's not forget what happened on that WCF. :lol

No, but that's not the same thing as saying he made the WCF and you can't assume things would have played out how they did because of the caliber of player he is.

Game 5 was a coin flip. Plug his tunnel vision, ISO ball ass in and maybe he clanks a few contested mid rangers instead of kicking out to Green for 3. Maybe Ginobili isn't on the court for all the moments he is down the stretch, maybe Simmons isn't (drew the crucial charge on Harden) etc. Who knows what would have changed, but had the result, game 6 likely doesn't play out the way it does.

[DAF86]

No, but that's not the same thing as saying he made the WCF and you can't assume things would have played out how they did because of the caliber of player he is.

Game 5 was a coin flip. Plug his tunnel vision, ISO ball ass in and maybe he clanks a few contested mid rangers instead of kicking out to Green for 3. Maybe Ginobili isn't on the court for all the moments he is down the stretch, maybe Simmons isn't (drew the crucial charge on Harden) etc. Who knows what would have changed, but had the result, game 6 likely doesn't play out the way it does.

Dude, he made the WCF. He played 5 out of 6 games of the second round and his team won. :lol

[TD 21]

Dude, he made the WCF. He played 5 out of 6 games of the second round and his team won. :lol

He didn't (nor did he complete the all important game 5, which was still very much up for grabs when he left for good). He helped put them in position to win the series, but they ultimately finished the job without him.

[mo7888]

I wonder what it would take to pry Ingram out if NO sends AD to LA for a package? I get that many here can't stand him but I think he can be very good in the right situation.

[DAF86]

He didn't (nor did he complete the all important game 5, which was still very much up for grabs when he left for good). He helped put them in position to win the series, but they ultimately finished the job without him.

Why are hanging on to such a meaningless argument son? :lol One that you aren't even right on. :lol

It doesn't matter you think. Officially, the history books will say that Kawhi made the WCF that year. And with justice, because the Spurs don't win that series without Kawhi.

[TD 21]

Why are hanging on to such a meaningless argument son? :lol One that you aren't even right on. :lol

It doesn't matter you think. Officially, the history books will say that Kawhi made the WCF that year. And with justice, because the Spurs don't win that series without Kawhi.

I am right. He didn't complete the series, therefore we don't know how it would have played out had he and considering it was close enough to go either way, nothing should be assumed.

:lmao At the history books. The same ones that gave Kerr all those wins when Walton was "coaching" the Warriors for the first few months in '15-16? Yeah, they're reliable alright.

[DAF86]

What? :lol

[Ignazzz]

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[monty4329]

A nut check wasn't necessary. Any player that is benched by his team in the playoffs because of suck ass play should tell you all you need to know about that player.

yes, that too

[xellos88330]

I just don't think the Spurs have a shot. We just don't have enough. It would really just depend on what the Pelicans would want. I would love to see AD in a Spurs uniform, but I just don't think we would have a winner with what we would have to give up. The Spurs could really use an intimidating shot blocker like Davis. He is just too expensive that I doubt the FO will bite. White is showing promise, Murray was playing really well in the preseason so I would not want to part with either of them. I think Mills would be the most expendable out of our PG list.

[lmbebo]

Barkley calling it for what it is, collusion.

https://sports.yahoo.com/charles-barkley-wants-nba-block-potential-trade-sending-anthony-davis-lakers-012146402.html

[Fusternino]

Zubac is now considered part of the Lakers' untouchable "young core."

Unbelievable, LOL!

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand the outrage over collision and "super teams" from Sir Coon:lol

Do people really think that it's difficult for players/agents/front offices to make plans behind the scenes? They can do it whenever they want, it's so easy..who cares?

The super team argument is even worse..how is Anthony Davis joining LeBron in his Wizards Jordan days and no other star considered a super team?

[DPG21920]

I don't understand the outrage over collision and "super teams" from Sir Coon:lol

Do people really think that it's difficult for players/agents/front offices to make plans behind the scenes? They can do it whenever they want, it's so easy..who cares?

The super team argument is even worse..how is Anthony Davis joining LeBron in his Wizards Jordan days and no other star considered a super team?

Charles is right about collusion. It’s one thing to plan but another to act like a CIA operation and destabilize an entire organization

[spurraider21]

I don't understand the outrage over collision and "super teams" from Sir Coon:lol

Do people really think that it's difficult for players/agents/front offices to make plans behind the scenes? They can do it whenever they want, it's so easy..who cares?

The super team argument is even worse..how is Anthony Davis joining LeBron in his Wizards Jordan days and no other star considered a super team?
ehh

[DMC]

I don't understand the outrage over collision and "super teams" from Sir Coon:lol

Do people really think that it's difficult for players/agents/front offices to make plans behind the scenes? They can do it whenever they want, it's so easy..who cares?

The super team argument is even worse..how is Anthony Davis joining LeBron in his Wizards Jordan days and no other star considered a super team?

That's a bit of hyperbole, unnecessary to make a point. Lebron is still good enough to be the difference between a 2nd round showing and a lottery pick.

[MoSpur02]

Apparently the Lakers have offered guys like Rondo, Stephenson, and Beasley to the Pelicans. :lmao

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091576709894291457

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091568224880201728

:lol

[Mr. Body]

Magic may wind up with an aging, ineffectual LeBron and not much else. I don't know if this is full arrogance or the knowledge that the team isn't much with LBJ/Davis alone, but you got to pay for stars.

[John B]

Pels will never give Davis to Lakers. Davis might end up in Knicks with Kyrie imo. But for Spurs sake, I would give Demar, Murray, Raps 1st and convince Davis to commit long term. White, Walker, Davis, Gay, Aldridge. And if nephew comes back, insert him in place of Gay. Dang that’s dynasty for 10 years :lol:lol:lol

[Chillen]

Pels will never give Davis to Lakers. Davis might end up in Knicks with Kyrie imo. But for Spurs sake, I would give Demar, Murray, Raps 1st and convince Davis to commit long term. White, Walker, Davis, Gay, Aldridge. And if nephew comes back, insert him in place of Gay. Dang that’s dynasty for 10 years :lol:lol:lol

The thing that sucks is Davis and DeMar would work well so I would rather keep DeMar but it's probably the only thing that would get the Spurs Davis if NO would do it unless they would take LMA in place of DeMar. Could always go after Kyrie.

[XDT76]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091576709894291457

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091568224880201728

:lol

Where is NO gonna find roster place for all these guys.:lmao

[BillMc]

Lakers really over estimate their young guys. Even more than Spurs fans do.

[DAF86]

Pop, please ask your friend Demps for the availability of Holiday and Mirotic.

[Ron Swanson]

Pop, please ask your friend Demps for the availability of Holiday and Mirotic.

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[rasuo214]

The Lakers young core is so overrated, that team sucks without Lebron. They got rid Russell to draft Lonzo and let Randle go because they thought they could get 3 max guys. Lakers could have had Russell + Tatum or Fox + Randle and Lebron right now with guys like Ingram, Zubac, and Hart. Good thing that FO is being ran by idiots.

[Shakril]

If anybody thinks, that the young core of the lakers is overrated, because they didnt had success in their very young careers, than you have to say that Anthony Davis is also overrated or even a bust, because he has won nothing in the 6/7 years with the pels. To make that kind of measurement on the skills of players is stupid.

Still the Offer from the Lakers are headscratching. From the 5 young players they have at least 4 of them should be offered.

[alpha_HaZE]

Apparently the asking price for Davis is; a Vet, young players and draft picks. LA, Bryn and Toronto's first round pick could do it.

AD values royalty, and a winning culture, so I think we have a good chance of resigning him. And it's a risk am willing to take, given that LA is not going to play any better than this and with him at HIS BEST we are 6th and probably 1st round exit.

[$pursDynasty]

Apparently the asking price for Davis is; a Vet, young players and draft picks. LA, Bryn and Toronto's first round pick could do it.

AD values royalty, and a winning culture, so I think we have a good chance of resigning him. And it's a risk am willing to take, given that LA is not going to play any better than this and with him at HIS BEST we are 6th and probably 1st round exit.
Nope give em DePression, Bryn and Lonnie, and whatever draft picks they want. We are talking about AD here. Dijon, White, Rudy, AD and LMA that team is scary, with Davis and Belly off the bench

[Duncan87]

Actually 5th and. Spurs don’t need another Kawhi situation that shit was dumb

[alpha_HaZE]

Nope give em DePression, Bryn and Lonnie, and whatever draft picks they want. We are talking about AD here. Dijon, White, Rudy, AD and LMA that team is scary, with Davis and Belly off the bench

Let me spell it our for you, DeMar not playing his best B-ball (new team, new system) is scoring 21.2 points per game for us and LaMarcus at his best is scoring 21.1, hmm Okay pall, whatever. Are you aware one is 29 year olds and the other 33? One can create for others and himself and the other needs to be fed the ball at his preferred spots in order to be effective?

[Fusternino]

Anyone else think Wagner is way better than Zubac? Why isn't he getting minutes?

[John B]

thanks
Apparently the asking price for Davis is; a Vet, young players and draft picks. LA, Bryn and Toronto's first round pick could do it.

AD values royalty, and a winning culture, so I think we have a good chance of resigning him. And it's a risk am willing to take, given that LA is not going to play any better than this and with him at HIS BEST we are 6th and probably 1st round exit.
If they can get AD to commit, he’ll be the next building block and I would give LMA, Pau’s expiring, Murray, Milutinov’s rights, picks and the Coyote.

[exstatic]

If anybody thinks, that the young core of the lakers is overrated, because they didnt had success in their very young careers, than you have to say that Anthony Davis is also overrated or even a bust, because he has won nothing in the 6/7 years with the pels. To make that kind of measurement on the skills of players is stupid.

Still the Offer from the Lakers are headscratching. From the 5 young players they have at least 4 of them should be offered.

The young core of the Lakers is ALWAYS overrated, no matter the year, era, coaching regime, or FO. It's the nature of sports 'media' to do so.

As to your other point, there are different levels of progression to attain. The lowest level is where the Laker youth is now: foundering, not putting up numbers, not winning. I'm not the biggest AD fan, but he has been extremely successful personally, scoring in gobs, cleaning the glass, and this year, making his 4th straight 1st team All NBA team. To compare the Lakers Youth to him just because neither had playoff success is disingenuous, and the worst kind of false analogy.

[$pursDynasty]

Let me spell it our for you, DeMar not playing his best B-ball (new team, new system) is scoring 21.2 points per game for us and LaMarcus at his best is scoring 21.1, hmm Okay pall, whatever. Are you aware one is 29 year olds and the other 33? One can create for others and himself and the other needs to be fed the ball at his preferred spots in order to be effective?
yea but while some here might question his heart, LMA has shown the ability to be the man in SA while every negative character flaw I have heard about Demar is being magnified to a terrifying degree. So much so while LMA hasn't performed at Timmay levels in the playoffs I have seen him perform well in them, Demar is very close to the Harden level playoff choke factor and has been knowns to go into the fetal position when he sees LeBron's shadow.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1092494406438002699
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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

lol 120 page thread coming up if he's mentioned Spurs - of course with no intention whatsoever, other than positive press.

[MoSpur02]

Bucks and Clippers are two other teams Davis is willing to sign long-term with. No mention of th the Spurs

[lmbebo]

Bucks and Clippers are two other teams Davis is willing to sign long-term with. No mention of th the Spurs

Odd list....

[MoSpur02]

I get the Clippers, Lakers, and Knicks, but I don't understand the Bucks unless he's liking what they're building there with Greek Freak and coach Bud.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

If the Lakers are giving up all that youth and future let em. They ain't winning anything with two guys.

[DPG21920]

If the Lakers are giving up all that youth and future let em. They ain't winning anything with two guys.

I truly don’t understand you people. Their youth is medicore at best and not good at worst. Giving up a bunch of crap that statistically is replaceable for something that is statistically rare would be franchise changing.

If NO caves for that terrible offer they will be fired in a year or two because of the decision. LA would not only be losing negative players for the most part, but opening up cap space to build alongside AD/Lebron.

[lmbebo]

Fake Trade :

AD+fillers (Solomon Hill, Moore?) to Houston for CP3 and Capella

Works financially, CP3 can play out his career where it started :D

[Dex]

I truly don’t understand you people. Their youth is medicore at best and not good at worst. Giving up a bunch of crap that statistically is replaceable for something that is statistically rare would be franchise changing.

If NO caves for that terrible offer they will be fired in a year or two because of the decision. LA would not only be losing negative players for the most part, but opening up cap space to build alongside AD/Lebron.

Also, you know there will be a bevy of players willing to take a pay cut to team up with Lebron and AD, just like happened in Miami and Cleveland 2.0

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone else think Wagner is way better than Zubac? Why isn't he getting minutes?
Whoever thinks that needs to go watch another sport. Basketball isn't for them.

[timvp]

The Lakers young players are all trash, IMO. Ingram is inefficient, not overly skilled and has a weird attitude. Kuzma is a chucker who can't shoot or play defense. Ball has a broken shot and his baggage overwhelms his value. Hart is like the homeless version of Derrick White. Zubac would have been valuable 20 years ago.

To make matters worse, you'll have to overpay them once they hit free agency due to them being hyped to hell in the Lakers hype machine.

If Dell Demps has any brain cells, he won't even think about trading Davis for the Lakers negative assets and some picks.

[DPG21920]

The Lakers young players are all trash, IMO. Ingram is inefficient, not overly skilled and has a weird attitude. Kuzma is a chucker who can't shoot or play defense. Ball has a broken shot and his baggage overwhelms his value. Hart is like the homeless version of Derrick White. Zubac would have been valuable 20 years ago.

To make matters worse, you'll have to overpay them once they hit free agency due to them being hyped to hell in the Lakers hype machine.

If Dell Demps has any brain cells, he won't even think about trading Davis for the Lakers negative assets and some picks.

That’s what Ive been saying, but evidently there are people that think LA would be overpaying :lol

To make matters worse, NO seems hell bent on sending out Hill in the deal which theoretically weakens the quality of picks/players they would get.

Hill, while overpaid and not good, only has one year left. NO is not a free agent destination and forcing Hill into any deal for no good reason instead of just eating that year is stupid.

LA has the worst package and I can’t believe this is even being discussed. If NO goal is picks, taking on Hill and players:

1) Every team has the picks to stack up to LA, many teams have much better picks

2) Everyone would be willing to eat Hill’s one year deal (kind of like SA with Pau, no need to trade a pick to dump Pau, just let it expire after one more season)

3) So if 1 & 2 are true above, then it really boils down to the players. Can NO really think Kuz/Ingram/Ball or Kuz/Ingram/Whatever LA gets in a Ball trade is better than what other teams can offer? If that is the bar to beat, regardless of what AD and his agent is saying now about him being a rental you pull the trigger because that is a low price to pay. Even if AD walks, if all you lost was players the quality of Ingram/Ball/Kuz you aren’t really set back.

[wildcardX]

That Lakers offer still looks like shit, they don't have enough. The Spurs can put together a better offer and I don't think they even have enough for AD.

[LkrFan]

:corn:

[MoSpur02]

The Lakers young players are all trash, IMO. Ingram is inefficient, not overly skilled and has a weird attitude. Kuzma is a chucker who can't shoot or play defense. Ball has a broken shot and his baggage overwhelms his value. Hart is like the homeless version of Derrick White. Zubac would have been valuable 20 years ago.

To make matters worse, you'll have to overpay them once they hit free agency due to them being hyped to hell in the Lakers hype machine.

If Dell Demps has any brain cells, he won't even think about trading Davis for the Lakers negative assets and some picks.

How valuable is Davis? I think Kuzma and Ingram can turn into solid players. Stars? No. Maybe Ingram, but like you mentioned he's not consistent. Could be because LeBron is there now. Who knows if he changes that when he plays as the main focal point. However, if you're the Pelicans you have to ask yourself why are the Lakers willing to give up all these young players?

[DPG21920]

How valuable is Davis? I think Kuzma and Ingram can turn into solid players. Stars? No. Maybe Ingram, but like you mentioned he's not consistent. Could be because LeBron is there now. Who knows if he changes that when he plays as the main focal point. However, if you're the Pelicans you have to ask yourself why are the Lakers willing to give up all these young players?

We’ve seen LAs young guys with no Bron. They sucked. We’ve seen them with Bron. They suck. I mean how many more scenarios do you need to see?

[timvp]

How valuable is Davis?If you're starting a franchise from scratch right this second, the only player you take before Davis is maybe Giannis. Even then, a player like Davis is easier to build around than Giannis.

LeBron, Curry and probably Harden are better right now but Davis has more value in a vacuum when factoring in his age.

[timvp]

We’ve seen LAs young guys with no Bron. They sucked. We’ve seen them with Bron. They suck. I mean how many more scenarios do you need to see?

Nothing in the league is as overhyped as a young player on the Lakers. It's always been like that.

[DPG21920]

Spurs can take on Hills contract for an expiring.

Spurs have more/better draft picks than Lakers.

White/Dejounte/Lonnie is a more intriguing core of young players right now than Lonzo/Ingram/Kuz. If thats the bar, go get AD SA.

[DPG21920]

Pau + Rudy + Lonnie + DJ + White + 3 first round picks for AD + Hill (something like that)

[GreekSpursfan]

Lets be realistic, we are not on his list because Pop is probably a retired man at the end of the season. If i'm the Pelicans i wait and see if the Knicks get the No1 overall pick and then i do business with them, Lakers offer will still be there in the summer.

[MoSpur02]

Lets be realistic, we are not on his list because Pop is probably a retired man at the end of the season. If i'm the Pelicans i wait and see if the Knicks get the No1 overall pick and then i do business with them, Lakers offer will still be there in the summer.


That has nothing to do with it. He's actually not done after this season unless something crazy happens.

[TD 21]

Even if the Knicks don't get the number 1 pick, they should still check a lot of boxes: Top 4 pick, Knox, Smith (exact type that's easy to sell to masses and would fill a need) and the 2 Mavs 1sts for starters. There's also Ntilikina, Robinson, Dotson and Trier as lesser pieces.



Spurs can take on Hills contract for an expiring.


Spurs have more/better draft picks than Lakers.

White/Dejounte/Lonnie is a more intriguing core of young players right now than Lonzo/Ingram/Kuz. If thats the bar, go get AD SA.

Maybe, but the Spurs young core lacks the draft pedigree, cache, durability, are too much of an unknown and none are the most desired player types in this era (big wings).

Sure, none of the Lakers young core is good, but a big part of trades of this magnitude is being able to sell your ownership, fans (hardcore ones are always in the minority) and media things like you received a former high pick(s), who's already averaged 15-20 ppg (even if on poor efficiency) and other largely irrelevant information that they can lap up. None of the Spurs young core are marketable in that sense.

[DAF86]

Pau + Rudy + Lonnie + DJ + White + 3 first round picks for AD + Hill (something like that)

AD and S.Hill

For

Pau, Gay, Bertans, White, Walker, Murray, this year's two first round picks and next season's one.

I doubt NOLA can get much better offers, tbh.

I don't know if I do it if I'm the Spurs though.

Mills, Forbes, DeRozan, Davis, Aldridge.

Belinelli, Cunningham, Poeltl

Is worse than what we have right now. Good luck trying to sell Davis to stay with that type of roster.

[DAF86]

The deal I would do without a doubt is seeing if NOLA is willing to trade AD for either DeRozan (preferrably) or Aldridge. Demps said he wanted an all-NBA player in return. DD and LA are that.

[spurraider21]

i dont think the pels will value white/murray/walker more than ball/ingram/kuzma.

gay/pau are just cap filler. just like the lakers offering rondo/lance/beasley

[spurraider21]

The deal I would do without a doubt is seeing if NOLA is willing to trade AD for either DeRozan (preferrably) or Aldridge. Demps said he wanted an all-NBA player in return. DD and LA are that.
if the spurs convinced the pels to take derozan as part of a package for AD it would be a massive heist tbh, and suddenly the kawhi trade would look amazing.

[DAF86]

i dont think the pels will value white/murray/walker more than ball/ingram/kuzma.

gay/pau are just cap filler. just like the lakers offering rondo/lance/beasley

You are forgetting Bertans.

White/Bertans/Murray/Walker is easily better than Ball/Ingram/Kuzma. People in charge of NBA franchises can't be fairweather followers that just go with media perception. They have to actually study shit. Any half-assed analysis shows you that White and Bertans alone are more valuable than anything the Lakers have to offer.

[DAF86]

if the spurs convinced the pels to take derozan as part of a package for AD it would be a massive heist tbh, and suddenly the kawhi trade would look amazing.

The sad part is I'm convinced the Spurs won't even try to figure out if that's even a possibility because "it wouldn't be fair".

[spurraider21]

You are forgetting Bertans.

White/Bertans/Murray/Walker is easily better than Ball/Ingram/Kuzma. People in charge of NBA franchises can't be fairweather followers that just go with media perception. They have to actually study shit. Any half-assed analysis shows you that White and Bertans alone are more valuable than anything the Lakers have to offer.
i'm not telling you which package i'd prefer. i'm guessing what the pels would prefer. draft pedigree still matters in the players first couple of years.

[spurraider21]

The sad part is I'm convinced the Spurs won't even try to figure out if that's even a possibility because "it wouldn't be fair".
is there any rule barring the spurs from trading derozan until a certain date?

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

is there any rule barring the spurs from trading derozan until a certain date?

The date has passed, he can be traded anywhere except Toronto (forget date that restriction expires, not that it matters)

[Uriel]

Los Angeles Lakers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) president Magic Johnson made a more robust bid for New Orleans Pelicans (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-pelicans) All-Star Anthony Davis (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis) on Monday, offering multiple young players, including Lonzo Ball (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066421/lonzo-ball), Brandon Ingram (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3913176) and Kyle Kuzma (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134907), as well as draft picks and salary-cap relief to the Pelicans, league sources told ESPN.
Fuck you, Magic. That's what you should've offered the Spurs for Kawhi.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I truly don’t understand you people. Their youth is medicore at best and not good at worst. Giving up a bunch of crap that statistically is replaceable for something that is statistically rare would be franchise changing.

If NO caves for that terrible offer they will be fired in a year or two because of the decision. LA would not only be losing negative players for the most part, but opening up cap space to build alongside AD/Lebron.

You drunk? They both averaging 18 points at age of 21 and 23. Shoot near 50%. That's medicore? Spurs have nothing like that. You take away two threats for one? How long does LBJ have left? Not winning this year or next. Age 37 then what? Retires and they left with AD who will cry and leave..

[8FOR!3]

Are we pretending Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma is a robust offer? Anthony Davis can do everything Kyle Kuzma does a lot better. Lonzo/Ingram don't fit together. If Lonzo has a good mindset then yeah he could turn out to be a really good player if he develops into a better shooter over the years, but with his dad being involved I don't see that working out as planned. Ingram sucks, him and Lonzo need the ball in their hands and can't really play off each other.

[MultiTroll]

LMA, Patty Mills and Craig CIA Pop for AD and Alvin Gentry.

[BillMc]

AD said he wanted to go to a perennial winner. Then added the Knicks but not Spurs to his list.

[GreekSpursfan]

That has nothing to do with it. He's actually not done after this season unless something crazy happens.

The thing the Spurs have going for them is Pop's reputation as a coach, nothing else if we are being honest. Its pretty obvious from the teams that AD listed as options there are either big markets expected to lure free agents or top 5 players(Giannis). I hope you are right and Pop isn't done after this season but its very possible imo.

[weebo]

Haven't you all learned from the Kawhi bullshit last year--why on God's green earth would you want a guy of that caliber on your team again?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

At least now it's clear why LA didn't sell the farm to get Kawhi from us. They has straight inside knowledge on this from Lebrons agent that this shit was gonna happen with AD this year. So they made a shitty ass trade offer to the Spurs and figured hey no sweat of he doesn't come bc we will get AD when he demands to be traded in a couple of months.

[DPG21920]

At least now it's clear why LA didn't sell the farm to get Kawhi from us. They has straight inside knowledge on this from Lebrons agent that this shit was gonna happen with AD this year. So they made a shitty ass trade offer to the Spurs and figured hey no sweat of he doesn't come bc we will get AD when he demands to be traded in a couple of months.

Looks that way. But passing on Kawhi/PG is silly still. If they had Lebron and Kawhi via trade, they could have had the cap space when AD is a free agent and if AD is truly willing to walk to LA now, he would have been with those two players.

But Bron/Klutch did a full on destabilization campaign in NO and it’s bull crap.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I get the Clippers, Lakers, and Knicks, but I don't understand the Bucks unless he's liking what they're building there with Greek Freak and coach Bud.

It's Klutch's way to say they want him on the Lakers right now ( by excluding Celtics ) without being very subtle even. Clippers and Bucks are two of maybe 3 or 4 teams that couldn't beat the Lakers offer due to their strange roster/contract construction right now.

[DPG21920]

It's Klutch's way to say they want him on the Lakers right now ( by excluding Celtics ) without being very subtle even. Clippers and Bucks are two of maybe 3 or 4 teams that couldn't beat the Lakers offer due to their strange roster/contract construction right now.

It’s so obvious what LA/Klutch/Bron are doing and if I’m NO there is no way and hell I trade with LA after the bs they are pulling. Unbelievable

[Dverde]

The deal I would do without a doubt is seeing if NOLA is willing to trade AD for either DeRozan (preferrably) or Aldridge. Demps said he wanted an all-NBA player in return. DD and LA are that.

If we traded Demar...what’s the over under on time spent in the whataburger parking lot? 3 hours?

[Chomag]

I have always been a fan of DDR but if he can be part of what could land us AD I would do it in a heartbeat.

[Hoops Czar]

I have always been a fan of DDR but if he can be part of what could land us AD I would do it in a heartbeat.
I would make a trade for Davis involving DDR even if it meant just a1.5 years of Davis but NO is looking to shed payroll, not add to it.

[$pursDynasty]

I don't know contract control of an All star might be enticing

[Hoops Czar]

I don't know contract control of an All star might be enticing
What all-star?

[$pursDynasty]

Ok former All-Star team high scorer

[sasaint]

What all-star?

LMA should be in the deal for Davis. Then we would have a good chance of pulling it off.

[duncan2k5]

Wow... U guys are pretty delusional... I want LMA and DDR gone BADLY... but their trade value is for great role players at this point... Not a top 5 player in the NBA... They're old and ineffective

[RC_Drunkford]

Pelicans apparently want 4 1st-round and 2-2nd round draft picks while also getting Solomon Hill off the books :rollin

[skin27]

In a few days Davis will be a laker

[mo7888]

Pelicans apparently want 4 1st-round and 2-2nd round draft picks while also getting Solomon Hill off the books :rollin

If they actually make that as an offer instead of just leaking it they'll get it too.

[monty4329]

You are forgetting Bertans.

White/Bertans/Murray/Walker is easily better than Ball/Ingram/Kuzma. People in charge of NBA franchises can't be fairweather followers that just go with media perception. They have to actually study shit. Any half-assed analysis shows you that White and Bertans alone are more valuable than anything the Lakers have to offer.

Gosh I would love to have here Lonzo....Pop vs laVar: the biggest show on earth