Done with DeMar

[JuegaBonito]

In today's NBA you can basically only have 1 guy on the court who is not a three point threat. Otherwise defenses just swarm you, that dude generally needs to be your big. I am watching the Sixers vs Warriors right now and Draymond is just cheating on Embid the whole time because he doesn't need to guard Simmons off the ball. Simmons of course is still playable because he is a top level defender/playmaker/athleticism. It is worth building around him even though it is difficult and problematic. The Sixers can find enough shooters to make it work and contend for a title probably next year.

However that said DeMar is not worth building around. He is not a top level defender, athlete or play maker. He is a top level mid range shot creator. Basically what I want to ask you guys is what would be the most optimum path to move away from DeMar without feeling like we got nothing for Kiwi. Is there a path or are we just going to have ride it out with this dude until his prime is finished?


Looking for answers.

[HarlemHeat37]

White's emergence has complicated this whole DeRozan plan..

The Spurs are better when White has the ball, but DeRozan is completely useless without the ball..can't shoot, doesn't cut, no off-ball instincts, doesn't defend, etc..

They're gonna have to use DeRozan on the ball more with White off the ball, despite the latter being more effective as a lead guard..

[BillMc]

White's emergence has complicated this whole DeRozan plan..

The Spurs are better when White has the ball, but DeRozan is completely useless without the ball..can't shoot, doesn't cut, no off-ball instincts, doesn't defend, etc..

They're gonna have to use DeRozan on the ball more with White off the ball, despite the latter being more effective as a lead guard..

I never watched Toronto but didn't DeMar play off the ball there with Lowry?

[DAF86]

It was always a bad trade. We knew it then and we know it now.

The best thing I can come up with is selling DeRozan into going back to the role he had with Toronto last season: start shooting 3's again, so he can play more off ball.

[JuegaBonito]

At this point, I'm pretty confident D Murray will have a better 3 point shot than DeMar when he returns. D white/Murray back court is gonna be great defensively and will actually provide better 3 point shooting than a D white/DeMar back court. Notice I said better 3 point shooting and space not exactly better offensively. Murray still has a long way to go all around to improve his offensive game. Anyway I am all for going all in on this and developing it.

Having DeMar play the 3 ? With those 2 dudes in the back court is going to kill the space, and he is not much of a threat off the ball. I just don't see it, we gotta move off this bum.

[Hoops Czar]

White's emergence has complicated this whole DeRozan plan..

The Spurs are better when White has the ball, but DeRozan is completely useless without the ball..can't shoot, doesn't cut, no off-ball instincts, doesn't defend, etc..

They're gonna have to use DeRozan on the ball more with White off the ball, despite the latter being more effective as a lead guard..

But he's an all-star

[HarlemHeat37]

I never watched Toronto but didn't DeMar play off the ball there with Lowry?

He wasn't effective off the ball in Toronto, either..Lowry was almost always the secondary ball-handler when DeRozan was on with him..

[offset formation]

My concern with Demar is in his ball handling. He seems to have developed a knack for fumbling the ball while apparently trying too hard.

I love the dude. He maintained a positive attitude when we were 5 games under .500 and getting blown out. And for that I'm going to get his back too. I hope he can get back to relaxing and dominating with his in between game. And I believe he will.

[Mikeanaro]

DDR belongs with the bench.
Sorry but thats the way it is.

[BillMc]

He wasn't effective off the ball in Toronto, either..Lowry was almost always the secondary ball-handler when DeRozan was on with him..

Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks

[sasaint]

DDR belongs with the bench.
Sorry but thats the way it is.

That is a pile of money on the bench. No, he belongs on another team.

[cd021]

Think his odd fit is why Pop started to play Bertans more late in games. Still, White, Gay, and Bertans isn't a lot of spacing considering Gay and White are low volume shooters.

He's even rimming spot up/ open mid rangers. That's not good.

[FkLA]

Seems like a great guy but yeah he's been straight up cancerous for the past month. I'm constantly hoping he's off the floor and feel like he's only keeping the ball out of White's hands. Those two straight possessions at the end of the game when Pop automatically gave him the ball when White was by far the better player all game really pissed me off--reminded me of when Pop would still turn to Parker in end of game situations during Nephew's first season as a star.

[Mikeanaro]

That is a pile of money on the bench. No, he belongs on another team.
Sure, I meant in the meantime, he is a no no, worse than dick jeffers.

[JuegaBonito]

I ain't want a dude so badly off the team since Richard Jefferson........

[timtonymanu]

He’s been more of a problem than good lately. Just gets in the way of the Derrick White offense. I would love to trade him but who’s gonna pay 27M a year to someone of his caliber other than us?

[FkLA]

Seems like he's still too concerned with his PPG and with maintaining his closer label, imo. If he can just play more freely and stop worrying about stupid shit like that I think there might be some hope for him. Rudy doesn't do much else other than get iso buckets as well but he knows how to pick his spots and he doesn't care whether he gets his 20 every night anymore.

And no Dejounte "Instagram Baller" Muray is not going to magically be a 3PT shooter next season.

[Hoops Czar]

Sure, I meant in the meantime, he is a no no, worse than dick jeffers.
People who say this don't realize just how bad RJ actually was.

[sasaint]

Sure, I meant in the meantime, he is a no no, worse than dick jeffers.

The "meantime" shouldn't be more than a handful of days if Pop has any sense.

[objective]

DeRozan isn't the only one screwing up White's offense.

Gay is a big hassle too. He just refuses to give the ball to White in the backcourt. Every rebound turns into Magic Rudy.

[Collins21]

Once again a bunch of people who don't know basketball. This team has a much better chance than last years team because of the fact that the offense now has 4 players in the starting lineup who can create their own shot as well as create for others. DeRozan is struggling right now but hell I'd rather watch him than watch the offense last year with Danny Green and Kyle Anderson. If we didn't have DeMar we would not have a chance at the playoffs.

[T_Carter]

Hope you guys hurry up and trade him. Cant stsnd watching him play SF on the piece of shit team.

[timtonymanu]

Once again a bunch of people who don't know basketball. This team has a much better chance than last years team because of the fact that the offense now has 4 players in the starting lineup who can create their own shot as well as create for others. DeRozan is struggling right now but hell I'd rather watch him than watch the offense last year with Danny Green and Kyle Anderson. If we didn't have DeMar we would not have a chance at the playoffs.

What an insightful take. :rolleyes

[resistanze]

Welcome to 2012.

[Collins21]

Hope you guys hurry up and trade him. Cant stsnd watching him play SF on the piece of shit team.

Worry about your team getting anally sodomized by the bucks.

[JuegaBonito]

Once again a bunch of people who don't know basketball. This team has a much better chance than last years team because of the fact that the offense now has 4 players in the starting lineup who can create their own shot as well as create for others. DeRozan is struggling right now but hell I'd rather watch him than watch the offense last year with Danny Green and Kyle Anderson. If we didn't have DeMar we would not have a chance at the playoffs.

Bro I don't care about making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round. It is about the path to building a contender let's say 3 years from now. Derozen just ruining our draft pick and taking time from developing dudes if anything.

[Spurs Homer]

Once again a bunch of people who don't know basketball. This team has a much better chance than last years team because of the fact that the offense now has 4 players in the starting lineup who can create their own shot as well as create for others. DeRozan is struggling right now but hell I'd rather watch him than watch the offense last year with Danny Green and Kyle Anderson. If we didn't have DeMar we would not have a chance at the playoffs.

The only post in this thread that makes any sense.

[Spurs Homer]

Bro I don't care about making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round. It is about the path to building a contender let's say 3 years from now. Derozen just ruining our draft pick and taking time from developing dudes if anything.

Just stop.

Please.

[FkLA]

Hope you guys hurry up and trade him. Cant stsnd watching him play SF on the piece of shit team.

5 rings, faggot

[sasaint]

DeRozan isn't the only one screwing up White's offense.

Gay is a big hassle too. He just refuses to give the ball to White in the backcourt. Every rebound turns into Magic Rudy.

Slightly overstated, but Rudy does need to let DWhite bring the ball up and get the team into their offense. It isn't nearly the issue DeMar is. Basically, DeMar is ISO-ball all over again. I think that a big reason LMA goes ISO, too. When DWhite is in the game and looking to feed the big dog, LMA is much more willing to play tough, and he refrains from that damn fadeaway. DWhite makes LMA a much better player, and he makes the offense much better as a whole.

[T_Carter]

Still wondering why the hell you guys would trade for him then try to usurp his position with Derrick effing white. Are you kidding me?

Really really hope he is traded in the offseason. Cant stsnd this team.

[DAF86]

Hope you guys hurry up and trade him. Cant stsnd watching him play SF on the piece of shit team.

Dude, get out the way. Folks that know what winning basketball looks like are having a chat.

[NameLess Scrub]

Worry about your team getting anally sodomized by the bucks.

Is there any other way to get sodomized?

[JuegaBonito]

It was always a bad trade. We knew it then and we know it now.

The best thing I can come up with is selling DeRozan into going back to the role he had with Toronto last season: start shooting 3's again, so he can play more off ball.

This seem's to be the only answer.

[FkLA]

Is there any other way to get sodomized?

:lol

[buujness]

A couple more of his shots fall, and people here would be singing his praises. He's going to get it back together; it's not like he suddenly forgot how to play.

Classic cliff-jumping.

[timtonymanu]

Hope you guys hurry up and trade him. Cant stsnd watching him play SF on the piece of shit team.

:lol

[JuegaBonito]

A couple more of his shots fall, and people here would be singing his praises. He's going to get it back together; it's not like he suddenly forgot how to play.

Classic cliff-jumping.

No cause even when he hits it is fools gold , not winning basketball.

[DAF86]

No cause even when he hits it is fools gold , not winning basketball.

Oh brother, prepare for the wave of angry homers coming at you. :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

i dont think weve seen this best of demar or this spurs team yet. we may not ever this season but if they knit their skills together properly with the emergent d white, spurs could make noise

bc lma is a beast, ddr is a baller and rudy is an ice cold savvy vet

[Mikeanaro]

The "meantime" shouldn't be more than a handful of days if Pop has any sense.
Thats the problem, it means that Pop will make him play 40 minutes per night.
Stubborn being stubborn.

[gambit1990]

not sure what the spurs saw in demar. did they watch any tape of him?

[FkLA]

No cause even when he hits it is fools gold , not winning basketball.

Not really true. The reason he's considered a playoff choker is because he stops hitting. If he were to return to his early season form and maintain it + LMA's current form + White's emergence that could certainly be "winning" basketball. Probably wouldn't ring but there's no shame in that considering the competition out west.

[Mikeanaro]

People who say this don't realize just how bad RJ actually was.
He was a pussy who evaded the ball, but he wasnt shooting 20% every night in high volume shots.
Also, even if you are right (nope) at least Dickers was with Duncan Manu Parker and they were not that old yet, so they covered Dick´s jokes a little.

[tonski17]

This is just his first season with the spurs, give him a year or two to adjust to the system and know his role. He's an allstar for me and we need him especially in times that the spurs are hesitant to score. What's apparent is he is not just a scorer, he is improving in the assist and rebounds department.

[John B]

White has shown he can hit them 3’s when Demar has the ball. Demar can push the ball because he can rebound and finish. When Murray gets back would be really complicated unless Murray has develop his 3pt shot and play 3 and D. Again it’s position-less basketball with 3 guards, Gay and Aldridge imo

[skin27]

Not really true. The reason he's considered a playoff choker is because he stops hitting. If he were to return to his early season form and maintain it + LMA's current form + White's emergence that could certainly be "winning" basketball. Probably wouldn't ring but there's no shame in that considering the competition out west.


this will not happen because Derozan isn’t effective off ball and white is good if he has the ball in his hands..

the answer is derozan should be the primary ball handler and white should become a 3pt spot up shooter because white can hit 3’s


spurs can trade demar if white evolve into allstar caliber player

[JuegaBonito]

this will not happen because Derozan isn’t effective off ball and white is good if he has the ball in his hands..

the answer is derozan should be the primary ball handler and white should become a 3pt spot up shooter because white can hit 3’s


spurs can trade demar if white evolve into allstar caliber playerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10Nyu-RCDw

[Millennial_Messiah]

Worry about your team getting anally sodomized by the bucks.

Bucks are the best team in the league...

[DPG21920]

Unless SA wants to full on rebuild (they don’t), DeRozan seems likely to stay a Spur. It’s a bad slump and maybe it’s confidence. Maybe injury is worse than we know.

He’s got to get right though and I think he will.

[slick'81]

Unless SA wants to full on rebuild (they don’t), DeRozan seems likely to stay a Spur. It’s a bad slump and maybe it’s confidence. Maybe injury is worse than we know.

He’s got to get right though and I think he will.

He hasnt his entire career especially in the post season but well see first hand this year

[phxspurfan]

DeMar in the West getting exposed? From MVP candidate to not even an All Star? In the lEast he would have easily been a borderline starter.

[RC_Drunkford]

DeMar will get out of his funk in the Toronto game. He might go back to DeFrozan right after that

[r0drig0lac]

overstated (to say the least), I'm sure a team with Giannis and Simmons as starters would be extremely elite, logically this is an extreme example (only to emphasize the 4 shooters take), but if Derozan had been doing his mid-ranges and dealing better with the ball (basically playing as he did in the first part of the season), this thread would not exist, so the problem with Demar is in his decision making that was never elite, but he is still one of the strongest players in the league in relation to his position, and I really believe he can be efficient by attacking the rim

[paperboy77]

DeRozan isn't the only one screwing up White's offense.

Gay is a big hassle too. He just refuses to give the ball to White in the backcourt. Every rebound turns into Magic Rudy.

Yup. Noticed Rudy doing that.

[kaji157]

I want to remember those who know "how winning basketball looks like" how players usually took more than a year too show what they can do with us (remember Aldridge first two years).
And apply that rule to Frozen.
I understand that his meltdowns are not welcome here as this is a franchise that was built with high character players that shut up and won. But not every player is like this, and as I said this of LMA that he learnt what it took to lead, I feel DeMar will also understand and change his mindset considering what it takes to win.
Hell, it seems that while kawhi didn't want that for him, there are players "mentally weak" that find comfort on the structure being their backbone.
It seems DeMar will find this out soon enough and build on it.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

DDR belongs with the bench.
Sorry but thats the way it is.

That is where his game best fits and often his best bball has come on court with Mills, Beli, Bertans, Poertl. Of course he is paid too much, and mentally could not handle coming off the bench. If the Spurs aren't willing to trade him, the best scenario is convincing him to lead that unit - let him start the game, but be first to sub out. Then he subs back in when White comes out and is primary ball handler on 2nd unit

[MoSpur02]

With the way Derozan has been playing I really don't mind trading him. It's not just his play, which sucks, but his demeanor on the court. He looks unhappy. He looks disengaged.

[monty4329]

Once again a bunch of people who don't know basketball. This team has a much better chance than last years team because of the fact that the offense now has 4 players in the starting lineup who can create their own shot as well as create for others. DeRozan is struggling right now but hell I'd rather watch him than watch the offense last year with Danny Green and Kyle Anderson. If we didn't have DeMar we would not have a chance at the playoffs.

He needs to play with balls and brains, though. Lately he is awful.
Offensively, DDR has one move that maybe only Durant has: the two dribble half-penetration jump shot from 12-14 feet, where he is literally unguardable. He should stick to that, which BTW generates the opportunity for the fake-and-step under the defender which he does pretty well. Other than that, get the f out of everbody's way.

But I agree, IF he plays effectively, he is needed in the playoffs (and to get there, as of now not a given...). Right now, he is detrimental to the team.

[monty4329]

Worry about your team getting anally sodomized by the bucks.

is there any other way to be sodomized?

[SpursDynasty85]

Cliff jumping. Demar besides being completely off rhythm is not "cancerous". He is trying his best to fit in the system now that he doesnt have the ball in his hands. Has turned into an even better defender and rebounder when he does. He is still a threat on the floor as he has the attention of the defenses. He is making the right cuts and moving off the ball. He has been a bit hampered with injuries and was off rhythm his first game back. We still need him this season and in the playoffs.

[monty4329]

Is there any other way to get sodomized?

:rollin just made the same comment, before reding yours...

[boutons_deux]

Demar hit his peak in the first 4 weeks of the season, then cratered.

If the Demar had been consistent, we probably would 5 to 10 more Ws

[look_at_g_shred]

Demar hit his peak in the first 4 weeks of the season, then cratered.

If the Demar had been consistent, we probably would 5 to 10 more Ws
To 10? That's pretty bold.

[RD2191]

To 10? That's pretty bold.

Yeah. Maybe 4 or 5 more wins, not 10 though.

[JuegaBonito]

No I reject all this talk if DeMar was playing like he was in the first 4 weeks all would be good. His shoots are low percentage and doesn't shoot enough 3's to win when it counts. Also his defense is sub par. In the playoffs when there is even less space and he is talking tough 2's It will all be magnified. This is not a reaction to him struggling, DeMar simply doesn't fit into today's NBA for what he is being paid. If he was Sean Livingston of the bench fine, but not the face of the franchise with that game.

[duncan2k5]

Seems like he's still too concerned with his PPG and with maintaining his closer label, imo. If he can just play more freely and stop worrying about stupid shit like that I think there might be some hope for him. Rudy doesn't do much else other than get iso buckets as well but he knows how to pick his spots and he doesn't care whether he gets his 20 every night anymore.

And no Dejounte "Instagram Baller" Muray is not going to magically be a 3PT shooter next season.

It's not magic... It's called practice... Just like Fox for the kings became a good three point shooter even though he couldn't shoot for shit when he came in the league

[duncan2k5]

Bro I don't care about making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round. It is about the path to building a contender let's say 3 years from now. Derozen just ruining our draft pick and taking time from developing dudes if anything.

Someone gets it

[duncan2k5]

The only solution is to trade... Or else be prepared for years of mediocrity

[gambit1990]

this isn’t just a slump, this is demar.

[TimmyBuckets]

DeRetard still sucking it up after resting for a week. White's emergence has left DeZitface in the the dust. The problem is how can we get rid of him for something pretty decent? Probably can't.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I think Pop is still trying to figure out the offense. He knows what he wants but what he wants and what the "stars" want are two different things. LMA and DeRozan each want 16-18 shots a game. Gay wants his 10 shots a game. Patty, Forbes, Marco, and Bertans are all chucking when they see daylight. We really only have one guy who doesn't care about shootin and will go out and do the dirty work in Poetl. It's funny to think back to 2005-07 when we had games where literally only 4 people scored and we won. Now we go from 4 people to everybody scoring. It's a big adjustment to say the least.

Pop is now closing with White (which is what I said would happen before the season started) and has really given him his trust. He's a lot harder on Derrock though bc he sees greatness in him and expects more from him than he does Forbes. The difference this year is that he has to find a new way to teach Derrick bc the whole benching him for a mistake routine kills our team since we really need him playing.

Demar is a shooter (even if it's midrange) and he needs to shoot himself out of this funk. We have potential to make the WCF this year and he's a big part of that. Next year should work out since I see Walker and Murray being on the second unit so spacing shouldn't be an issue. It takes over a year to get back into rhythm coming off an ACL tears a I expect us to bring DeJounte along slowly.

demar has 2 seasons (in my estimation) to work with chip and get a 3 point shot. Otherwise in year 3 we should move on from him since he will be an expiring contract.

[BD24]

He’s a decent player, just a very poor fit with the current roster. Would be nice if we could trade him for picks or a decent wing. Don’t see the spurs doing that though and I don’t see anyone wanting to trade for him tbh

[monty4329]

Patty, Forbes, Marco, and Bertans are all chucking when they see daylight.

Yes and they are winning the games with their shooting.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yes and they are winning the games with their shooting.
I didn't really explain myself well now that I reread what I wrote. I meant in regards to getting White his shots. I'm not complaining at all about the 3 point squad gunning. It's just that everyone wants to shoot so it's hard for Pop to find a bigger role for Derrick.

[monty4329]

I didn't really explain myself well now that I reread what I wrote. I meant in regards to getting White his shots. I'm not complaining at all about the 3 point squad gunning. It's just that everyone wants to shoot so it's hard for Pop to find a bigger role for Derrick.

OK.
I actually am not sure White should shoot more, as a rule. Sometimes he can be more aggressive, maybe, yes. But I like that he tries to distribute the ball and create movement, spacing. This generates good shots for everybody, and for himself too. If he starts looking for more shots, that movement can be somehow impeded. And I certainly don't see him as a spot shooter -one thing is to take a shot you can reasonably miss, another is to take a shot that you are expected to make (as a spot shooter): big difference.
Besides, I love that he can go to the basket: but that is because his defender must be aware of the potential assist White can dish. If he is defened as a probable penetrator (see DDR), well it would be a different story, less beautiful I am afraid.

Still, he is having an excellent season, let's hope he will not hit a wall. Nice problem next year, as far as spreading the minutes among guards (Forbes will, sadly, find home elsewhere)

[exstatic]

Is there any other way to get sodomized?


is there any other way to be sodomized?

Technically, and by definition, anything non-vaginal is sodomy, so yes, you can orally sodomize someone.

[exstatic]

OK.
I actually am not sure White should shoot more, as a rule. Sometimes he can be more aggressive, maybe, yes. But I like that he tries to distribute the ball and create movement, spacing. This generates good shots for everybody, and for himself too. If he starts looking for more shots, that movement can be somehow impeded. And I certainly don't see him as a spot shooter -one thing is to take a shot you can reasonably miss, another is to take a shot that you are expected to make (as a spot shooter): big difference.
Besides, I love that he can go to the basket: but that is because his defender must be aware of the potential assist White can dish. If he is defened as a probable penetrator (see DDR), well it would be a different story, less beautiful I am afraid.

Still, he is having an excellent season, let's hope he will not hit a wall. Nice problem next year, as far as spreading the minutes among guards (Forbes will, sadly, find home elsewhere)

None of his 3 made 3 pointers last night was unassisted. All 4 of his attempts were catch and shoot. He can most certainly spot up, and effectively so.

[NameLess Scrub]

:rollin just made the same comment, before reding yours...

Yep :lol:toast


It's not magic... It's called practice... Just like Fox for the kings became a good three point shooter even though he couldn't shoot for shit when he came in the league

Did Fox also need to learn shooting mechanics after getting drafted to the NBA?

[Spurs da champs]

overstated (to say the least), I'm sure a team with Giannis and Simmons as starters would be extremely elite, logically this is an extreme example (only to emphasize the 4 shooters take), but if Derozan had been doing his mid-ranges and dealing better with the ball (basically playing as he did in the first part of the season), this thread would not exist, so the problem with Demar is in his decision making that was never elite, but he is still one of the strongest players in the league in relation to his position, and I really believe he can be efficient by attacking the rim

DeRozan's strength was apparent when he was playing his natural position at SG but at the 3 he's average at best.

[NameLess Scrub]

Technically, and by definition, anything non-vaginal is sodomy, so yes, you can orally sodomize someone.

Well didn't know that.

Thanks.

[monty4329]

Technically, and by definition, anything non-vaginal is sodomy, so yes, you can orally sodomize someone.

You seem to know your sodomy. Chapeau. :toast

[monty4329]

None of his 3 made 3 pointers last night was unassisted. All 4 of his attempts were catch and shoot. He can most certainly spot up, and effectively so.

I am not sure about that. Now he shoots relatively open for obvious reasons. I can't see him run around multiple screens to shoot a three, with the defense trying to disrupt his flow. Or, I can't see him doing that more efficiently than what he does now. I like him more creating opportunities for others.
I gladly admit he shoots much better than I expected 3 months ago.

[MoSpur02]

If the Spurs acquire a SF before the deadline that is capable of being inserted into the starting lineup as a 3 and D, the Spurs can take Forbes out of the starting lineup. Then the starting lineup would be Aldridge, Gay, SF, Derozan, and White as the PG.

[gambit1990]

not that the spurs will trade him (this season anyways) but i do wonder what they could get...

[Mikeanaro]

Just package him with Murray (2 Super NBA Stars) for AD.
Its a done deal.

[sasaint]

I am not sure about that. Now he shoots relatively open for obvious reasons. I can't see him run around multiple screens to shoot a three, with the defense trying to disrupt his flow. Or, I can't see him doing that more efficiently than what he does now. I like him more creating opportunities for others.
I gladly admit he shoots much better than I expected 3 months ago.

I like him as a multi-dimensional player who is equally capable of scoring on and off-ball and creating for others, and who shows the consistently good BBIQ to make the correct choices.

[MannyIsGod]

Typical Spurstalk shit thread. Guy goes through a slump and everyone forgets he's an All NBA talent who was carrying this team early on. During that time there were threads about trading LMA too. This isn't 2k. He's had a slump - probably due to injuries - and while I'm excited about Derrick White lets not act like he's all of a sudden the second coming of Jesus.

This is just a stupid thread.

[JuegaBonito]

Typical Spurstalk shit thread. Guy goes through a slump and everyone forgets he's an All NBA talent who was carrying this team early on. During that time there were threads about trading LMA too. This isn't 2k. He's had a slump - probably due to injuries - and while I'm excited about Derrick White lets not act like he's all of a sudden the second coming of Jesus.

This is just a stupid thread.

Nobody cares about his slump, we just don't believe mid range basketball is gonna win a chip in today's NBA from a SG!

[Rosewood]

Nobody cares about his slump, we just don't believe mid range basketball is gonna win a chip in today's NBA from a SG! Sitting on that account since 2013 bro? Damn. What a forgettable year to bring him out though.

[Nathan89]

Now the Spurs get to make another trade for a down grade talent. Kawhi trade keeps getting better.

[JuegaBonito]

Now the Spurs get to make another trade for a down grade talent. Kawhi trade keeps getting better.

No, I just regret trading for this dude. As one poster mentioned the best case scenario is for the coaches to drill it into his head all summer that he needs to take 3's and work with him on his shot.

My main issue is his we need a superstar to have a path to a title. We lost our superstar, we made a trade that has us winning games so we can't tank for a super star. How are we suppose to get one then? I just fear DeMar is gonna keep us in mediocrity. If we need to crash a bit and develop our young guys and get a lottery pick this coming summer isn't that better than being dragged to a first round exit year after year? Since when has a team ever won a title without a super star ? Pistons 2005???

I'm thinking our first rounder in the draft and DeMar to take a chance on drafting somebody we feel we can develop into a super star. I mean we developed White into a starter it seems, Murray could make an all star team one day. If we got our hands on a top 15 pick perhaps we could do a lot with that.

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What are the chances you guys trade him before the deadline?

I mean, he clearly doesn't fit on the roster so why devalue an all NBA player's value by playing him out of position? Makes no sense to me.