Pop: Derrick White (not DeMar DeRozan) is the team's second most important player

[Man Mountain]

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How will DD take that if he hears it? Wow.

[SpurPadre]

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How will DD take that if he hears it? Wow.

Hopefully not like a bitch the way Kawhi took Parker's "My injury was 100x worse than his" blast, tbh.

[Slippy]

It needs to be said if Demar thinks he should have the ball over Derrick . It's called coaching. He shouldn't take it personal. The team as a whole is better with derrick running it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Obvious at this point..unfortunately, White is useful without the ball, while DD isn't..

[XDT76]

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How will DD take that if he hears it? Wow.

Maybe he thinks, he is the most impt player

[XDT76]

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How will DD take that if he hears it? Wow.

Based on results hard to dispute the 3 games DDR is out Spurs win all, the 3 games white is out Spurs lost all.

On a more serious note White is probably 1 of 3 player to have impact on both sides of the floor and is at least more consistent on both sides than Gay.

[monty4329]

Gay is way more important than DDR.

On the flip side, DDR is the most important in the sense that when he has the ball he kills the Spurs much more than any other teammate (or opponent). it is "important" that he doesn't dribble the fucking ball.

[duncan2k5]

If white is the difference between sucking and being mediocre, we shouldn't be standing pat

[RC_Drunkford]

at this point I'm not even sure if DeRozan is one of the Top 5 most important players on the team. Yet he is the highest paid

[TDMVPDPOY]

with that comment, where does that leave murray for pg duties? white to be fulltime pg?

[Nathan89]

Puts that terrible trade in perspective.

[YGWHI]

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How will DD take that if he hears it? Wow.

Like LMA took it after Pop called him out with the "timid" line in 2017 playoffs WCF??? Asking for a trade?? :D

After that "incident" and LMA's worst playoffs series of his career he got an extension from the Spurs.

I assume after this "White is more important than you" PAFTO will give DeRozan a $200M contract extension. This is how Spurs' FO worked last seasons...

[duncan2k5]

Like LMA took it after Pop called him out with the "timid" line in 2017 playoffs WCF??? Asking for a trade?? :D

After that "incident" and LMA's worst playoffs series of his career he got an extension from the Spurs.

I assume after this "White is more important than you" PAFTO will give DeRozan a $200M contract extension. This is how Spurs' FO worked last seasons...

I wouldn't be surprised

[John B]

Something happened to Demar. He wasn’t like this before. I don’t know how to handle if depression but he’s a very good player. He needs to get his confidence back. Kill it. Just go to the rim, pick your man apart. I hope whatever it is he gets better.

[duncan2k5]

Something happened to Demar. He wasn’t like this before. I don’t know how to handle if depression but he’s a very good player. He needs to get his confidence back. Kill it. Just go to the rim, pick your man apart. I hope whatever it is he gets better.

This is who he has been for years... Keep paying him big money in hopes he turns into a consistently good player and u will end up like Toronto

[monty4329]

Something happened to Demar. He wasn’t like this before. I don’t know how to handle if depression but he’s a very good player. He needs to get his confidence back. Kill it. Just go to the rim, pick your man apart. I hope whatever it is he gets better.

He is an obsolete player with piss poor attitude. But he does one single thing at a superb level, when he is mentally into it: two dribble lateral penetration + jumper from 12 feet. He is unguardable in that single action. Which he should do 5-7 times a game.
Other than that, he is a total liability so he should just screen and move out of everybodys way. His defense is non-existent.
I hope he finds his testicles and starts playing like a man, and Pop plays him 10 minutes a game tops.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Hopefully he comes back soon in good health

[sasaint]

Puts that terrible trade in perspective.

Puts the non-moves before the trade deadline into sharper perspective.

[GreekSpursfan]

The only thing i question is why we are not tanking? I guess Pop wanted to see if DD is still an all star after his depression. Imo LMA is not an all star either and is regressing before our very eyes. Trade them both or release them or whatever gets them out of here and tank the next two seasons with Pop retired, thats the only plan. Free agents are not coming here.

[ceperez]

The only thing i question is why we are not tanking? I guess Pop wanted to see if DD is still an all star after his depression. Imo LMA is not an all star either and is regressing before our very eyes. Trade them both or release them or whatever gets them out of here and tank the next two seasons with Pop retired, thats the only plan. Free agents are not coming here.

DeRozan is still pretty good and he could get better with more practice with the Spurs, he is only 29 years old. Both Aldridge and Gay have become better players as Spurs.

[GreekSpursfan]

DeRozan is still pretty good and he could get better with more practice with the Spurs, he is only 29 years old. Both Aldridge and Gay have become better players as Spurs.

I like your optimism but last season's LMA is waaay better than this season's. LMA has regressed on both ends and one 50 plus point game can't change that. He can't defend for shit. DD started well but most of the season he's bad, none of them is an all star imo. TANKING is the only option otherwise mediocrity rules.

[T_Carter]

Hopefully Demar goes to management to request a trade at the end of the year. This has been the worst season to watch him in 10 years.

[DAF86]

Hopefully Demar goes to management to request a trade at the end of the year. This has been the worst season to watch him in 10 years.

We can only hope son.We can only hope.

[DAF86]

And, damn, that was a surprising quote by Pop. He's getting to that point in life where you are so old you don't even care to be brutally honest.

[313]

If white is the difference between sucking and being mediocre, we shouldn't be standing pat

[ceperez]

And, damn, that was a surprising quote by Pop. He's getting to that point in life where you are so old you don't even care to be brutally honest.

Pop is just being diplomatic and not offend Aldridge. The reality is, White is in fact the best player in the entire roster. I've been saying this early this season.

[venitian navigator]

DeRozan is still pretty good and he could get better with more practice with the Spurs, he is only 29 years old. Both Aldridge and Gay have become better players as Spurs.

I agree. DDR can improve next year if he enters in the state of mind he can't be a first option for a championship team. LMA is improved in defense last year till we had a decent peimeter defense...Murray season was a big part of it. Gay has improved a lot this season in his offensive choices...he's taking a god amount of shots as high percentage shots. Buth Gay and LMA this season often looks poor on defense...imho for the most part that's because ther's no perimeter defense when White is out.
The weird thing is that our back court for next season has already all his pieces set (pg White Murray Mills g
DDR Walker Belinelli Forbes)...we just need a small forward and an athletic big.

[duncan2150]

i remember people talking about aldridge like that when he has some bad games.....

[Poolboy5623]

If white is the difference between sucking and being mediocre, we shouldn't be standing pat

Pulling off a trade is a 2 way street...you need a partner.

[wildbill2u]

DDR is an unguardable shooter when he's on. When he's not, he is just a guy with the ball in his hands too much in an offense that relies on motion. If he can outscore his opposite, then his defensive liabilities can be overlooked. But if he is on a unit that includes Forbes or Mills who also have problems on Defense, then we have a problem. Two or three poor defenders isn't a good unit. This is a team problem, not just DDR.

White becomes the glue that holds various combinations of players together because he is very good on defense and can help cover for whoever he's with that cant play defense. You may not notice him sagging off his man to help clog the lane area, but offensive players spot it and tend to take another option. This is defense by positioning--a matchup zone if you will-- that doesn't show up on the stats unless he actually makes a steal or a foul. He really has become a irreplaceable player on a team without any other player with two way skills.

[Proxy]

weird thing to say... could've just worded it like, "White is incredibly important to our team" instead of specifically saying 2nd best

[TimmyBuckets]

10/10 thread
Even #1 at times

[cpds421]

Those so called Spurs fans and still are kawhi fanboys, they should just go root for the raptors instead of bitching about the moves PATFO do. It seems like some guys are still pissed that nephew left.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

The one thing that makes me hopeful for the White/Murray pairing is how genuinely happy Murray is that his teammates are doing well. He is always talking positively about his teammates and his upbeat positive attitude seems infectious with our team. He doesn't have the personality to mope about White being better or playing more minutes than him. He will turn those negative thoughts into positive work habits. The same holds true for Derrick. They should thrive for many years to come.

Honestly if Pop (he won't ever do it) were to convince DDt to come off the bench then we maybe contenders again

[Duncan(DonPerro)]

Based on results hard to dispute the 3 games DDR is out Spurs win all, the 3 games white is out Spurs lost all.

On a more serious note White is probably 1 of 3 player to have impact on both sides of the floor and is at least more consistent on both sides than Gay.
XDT76: Yes sir. +10

[Duncan(DonPerro)]

Based on results hard to dispute the 3 games DDR is out Spurs win all, the 3 games white is out Spurs lost all.

On a more serious note White is probably 1 of 3 player to have impact on both sides of the floor and is at least more consistent on both sides than Gay.
XDT76: Yes sir. +10

[Duncan(DonPerro)]

Based on results hard to dispute the 3 games DDR is out Spurs win all, the 3 games white is out Spurs lost all.

On a more serious note White is probably 1 of 3 player to have impact on both sides of the floor and is at least more consistent on both sides than Gay.
XDT76: Yes sir. +10

[Keepin' it real]

Pop also said Capornick is courageous, so he's clearly gone senile.

[r0drig0lac]

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/content/popovich-notes-the-importance-of-quincy-pondexter

[ceperez]

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/content/popovich-notes-the-importance-of-quincy-pondexter

Sheesh! Comes early and stays late?? Isn't that Patty Mills' job???!!!!

Pop is just trying to make him look more valuable for a trade.

[TheCerebral1]

DeRozan will be traded this offseason. That's all.

[ceperez]

DeRozan will be traded this offseason. That's all.

Not likely. Many players take time to adapt to the Spurs system. DeRozan is still working through the process.

[SpursforSix]

DeRozan is still working through the process.

:pop: Me too. On a positive note, we're just one transcendent 7' power forward away from relevance.

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO :lmao
Traded a top 3 player for 2 useless scrubs :lmao
Liked what they had at the deadline :lmao
Drafted James Anderson with a bird's nest haircut :lmao
More Joel Anthony, K-Mart, Miller type buyout pickups incoming :lmao

Hey, at least they'll always have idiots like this guy fluffing them for whatever they do.


Those so called Spurs fans and still are kawhi fanboys, they should just go root for the raptors instead of bitching about the moves PATFO do. It seems like some guys are still pissed that nephew left.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1093999187593695232

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1093999187593695232

Pathetic

[slick'81]

No shit

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol sperms

[TheGreatYacht]

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1093999187593695232
Worst part is that's 90% of their offense....

[sasaint]

DeRozan will be traded this offseason. That's all.

PLEASE! But if Pop is still running the show, I doubt it. But, PLEASE, still.

[CGD]

PLEASE! But if Pop is still running the show, I doubt it. But, PLEASE, still.

It’s an interesting question, what’s the best offer out there for DDR? Hard to get his market value given the year he’s having.

- could he fetch Beal straight up? What if Spurs attach a pick?

- could he fetch young prospect + filler + 1st? Like if the lakers strike out on AD, a lopsided trade into Laker’s space for Ingram + 1st

[SouthTexasRancher]

Derrick has definitely been improving as the season goes along. Too bad for him having to sit out the rodeo road trip. Having said that, if Pop considers him 2nd best on this years team then we are in trouble. I see a lot of upside potential for Derrick but.....! Pop and RC couldn't even get another team want to get within 1,000 miles of the Spurs before the trade deadline. We don't have anybody anyone else wants. We're stuck with Gasol's bloated contract. Pop is concentrating too much on his 2020 POTUS run and every time he does this team starts tanking. And I guess RC stays drunk all the time. All these young coaches are out coaching Pop. This team can look so discombobulated at times that it becomes a cluster fuck. We have zero defense. The team needs to get focused in a bad way and Pop needs to get over himself. :ihit

[ceperez]

Derrick has definitely been improving as the season goes along. Too bad for him having to sit out the rodeo road trip. Having said that, if Pop considers him 2nd best on this years team then we are in trouble. I see a lot of upside potential for Derrick but.....! Pop and RC couldn't even get another team want to get within 1,000 miles of the Spurs before the trade deadline. We don't have anybody anyone else wants. We're stuck with Gasol's bloated contract. Pop is concentrating too much on his 2020 POTUS run and every time he does this team starts tanking. And I guess RC stays drunk all the time. All these young coaches are out coaching Pop. This team can look so discombobulated at times that it becomes a cluster fuck. We have zero defense. The team needs to get focused in a bad way and Pop needs to get over himself. :ihit

He's actually the best player in the team. You cannot argue with his efficiency numbers.

The second best player? Unfortunately he's injured a lot. Rudy Gay, again you cannot argues against his efficiency numbers.

Aldridge and DeRozan take more shots but their efficiency isn't great.

What wins games in today's NBA is efficiency.

The Spurs this season are short defensive players that hopefully they sign in the offseason.

[SouthTexasRancher]

He's actually the best player in the team. You cannot argue with his efficiency numbers.

The second best player? Unfortunately he's injured a lot. Rudy Gay, again you cannot argues against his efficiency numbers.

Aldridge and DeRozan take more shots but their efficiency isn't great.

What wins games in today's NBA is efficiency.

The Spurs this season are short defensive players that hopefully they sign in the offseason.

f Derrick White and Rudy Gay are our two best players we are in serious trouble. For one thing DW's efficiency numbers are way down the list at 32nd place among point guards. DD has the best efficiency numbers placing 5th among shooting guards. Rudy Gay is 8th among small forwards and LMA is 10th among F/C's.

Scoring wise RG has a 14.4 ppg avg. and DW has a 9.6 ppg avg. On the other hand DD has a 21.6 ppg avg and LMA has a 21 ppg avg. That's a combined difference of +18.6 ppg for DD & LMA. Rebounds and assists are way in favor of DD & LMA. If the Spurs were to put DD and LMA up for trade and RG and DW up for trade as well the combo of DD/LMA would draw a whole lot more interest from opposing coaches and GM's. I personally like both DW and RG and feel that they are an integral part of a team that has no direction. Another downer for DW and RG is they are both so damn injury prone. Anyway I get your point. On this we just have slightly different opinions which ain't no big deal. I definitely agree with you about needing defensive players badly. I had hoped for (with no confidence...lol) that PATFO would have been able to make some kind of trade to at least shake things up. We're stuck with Gasol and his fat contract.

[8FOR!3]

DDR isn't even quite 30 yet, instead of trading him in the offseason (which we won't,) let's give the guy more than one season to be on a new team.

[Spurs Homer]

:pop:

"After patty, I was going to say dante - but Derrick has gotten over himself"

[spursistan]

If I were Holt and somebody else in the front office said the exact same statement, he would be fired on the spot after I throw this salary sheet in his face..




Salary



Player
Age
2018-19
2019-20
2020-21
2021-22
2022-23
2023-24
Signed Using
Guaranteed


DeMar DeRozan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html)
29
$27,739,975
$27,739,975
$27,739,975



Cap Space
$55,479,950


LaMarcus Aldridge (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)
33
$22,347,015
$26,000,000
$24,000,000



Cap Space
$55,347,015


Pau Gasol (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html)
38
$16,800,000
$16,000,000





$23,500,000


Patty Mills (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
30
$11,571,429
$12,428,571
$13,285,714



Bird Rights
$37,285,714


Rudy Gay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gayru01.html)
32
$10,087,200





Non-Bird Rights
$10,087,200


Davis Bertans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html)
26
$7,000,000
$7,000,000




Early Bird Rights
$14,000,000


Marco Belinelli (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html)
32
$6,153,846
$5,846,154




MLE
$12,000,000


Bryn Forbes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html)
25
$3,125,000
$2,875,000




Early Bird Rights
$6,000,000


Jakob Poeltl (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html)
23
$2,947,320
$3,754,886




1st Round pick
$6,702,206


Dante Cunningham (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cunnida01.html)
31
$2,500,000





Bi-annual Exception
$2,500,000


Lonnie Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkelo01.html)
20
$2,357,160
$2,760,480
$2,892,000
$4,447,896


1st Round Pick
$5,117,640


Quincy Pondexter (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pondequ01.html)
30
$2,165,481






$2,165,481


Derrick White (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whitede01.html)
24
$1,667,160
$1,948,080
$3,516,284



1st Round Pick
$3,615,240


Dejounte Murray (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html)
22
$1,544,951
$2,321,735




1st Round pick
$3,866,686


Chimezie Metu (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/metuch01.html)
21
$838,464





MLE
$838,464


Drew Eubanks (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eubandr01.html)
22






Two-Way Contract



Ben Moore (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moorebe01.html)
23






Two-way Contract






Manu Ginobili (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)
41
$2,500,000






$2,500,000


Tim Duncan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
42
$1,881,250






$1,881,250


Team Totals

$123,226,251
$108,674,881
$71,433,973
$4,447,896



$242,886,846

[TimDunkem]

If I were Holt and somebody else in the front office said the exact same statement, he would be fired on the spot after I throw this salary sheet in his face..




Salary



Player
Age
2018-19
2019-20
2020-21
2021-22
2022-23
2023-24
Signed Using
Guaranteed


DeMar DeRozan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html)
29
$27,739,975
$27,739,975
$27,739,975



Cap Space
$55,479,950


LaMarcus Aldridge (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)
33
$22,347,015
$26,000,000
$24,000,000



Cap Space
$55,347,015


Pau Gasol (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html)
38
$16,800,000
$16,000,000





$23,500,000


Patty Mills (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
30
$11,571,429
$12,428,571
$13,285,714



Bird Rights
$37,285,714


Rudy Gay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gayru01.html)
32
$10,087,200





Non-Bird Rights
$10,087,200


Davis Bertans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html)
26
$7,000,000
$7,000,000




Early Bird Rights
$14,000,000


Marco Belinelli (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html)
32
$6,153,846
$5,846,154




MLE
$12,000,000


Bryn Forbes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html)
25
$3,125,000
$2,875,000




Early Bird Rights
$6,000,000


Jakob Poeltl (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html)
23
$2,947,320
$3,754,886




1st Round pick
$6,702,206


Dante Cunningham (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cunnida01.html)
31
$2,500,000





Bi-annual Exception
$2,500,000


Lonnie Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkelo01.html)
20
$2,357,160
$2,760,480
$2,892,000
$4,447,896


1st Round Pick
$5,117,640


Quincy Pondexter (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pondequ01.html)
30
$2,165,481






$2,165,481


Derrick White (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whitede01.html)
24
$1,667,160
$1,948,080
$3,516,284



1st Round Pick
$3,615,240


Dejounte Murray (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html)
22
$1,544,951
$2,321,735




1st Round pick
$3,866,686


Chimezie Metu (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/metuch01.html)
21
$838,464





MLE
$838,464


Drew Eubanks (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eubandr01.html)
22






Two-Way Contract



Ben Moore (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moorebe01.html)
23






Two-way Contract






Manu Ginobili (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)
41
$2,500,000






$2,500,000


Tim Duncan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
42
$1,881,250






$1,881,250


Team Totals

$123,226,251
$108,674,881
$71,433,973
$4,447,896



$242,886,846







And you just know that they'll resign most of these guys when their contracts are up.

[BillMc]

Spurs' Derrick White Has five games with three-plus blocks to lead all NBA guards

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/5-things-to-watch-spurs-vs-mavericks-03-11-2019

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

He is no doubt proving Pop right. The guy is really smart out there on the court

[YGWHI]

I loved how he handled the game in Dallas. Just let him run the offense in the clutch...He's way better option than the rest of team.

[Strategic]

This may be right to continue current pace, but to come up a level and compete in the post season, Derrick is the teams MVP.

[SpursDynasty85]

I loved how he handled the game in Dallas. Just let him run the offense in the clutch...He's way better option than the rest of team.

Agree but when Demar gets in the right position on certain plays he is so automatic. It should definitely default to White but sprinkle in Derozan every now and then and this team has so many options for closers at the end of games (Aldridge, Derozan, Gay, and now White).

[ceperez]

Agree but when Demar gets in the right position on certain plays he is so automatic. It should definitely default to White but sprinkle in Derozan every now and then and this team has so many options for closers at the end of games (Aldridge, Derozan, Gay, and now White).

Exactly. Have White quarterback and if he thinks DeRozan is in a good spot and with a mismatch, then send him the ball.

I don't think DeRozan is any good at reading the offense. What's worse is when they double DeRozan in the wings.

[look_at_g_shred]

It is true, but when they are both playing well, this team is really hard to beat. Props to DD though. Pushing through that slump and coming out of it.