They have put the team on a dreary treadmill of mediocrity and called it “staying competitive”..

[spursistan]

PATFO have assembled the most low-IQ, one-dimensional, injury-prone and mentally-disengaged roster in franchise history.

Leave it to Pop to allow the irony of saying a 2nd year 29th pick is their second most valuable player escape him. That’s the extent to which his “retirement tour” (frankly speaking) has been bringing in the form of diminishing returns.

It is not only that they executed one of most embarrassing trades involving a legitimate superstar, but the giddiness they have shown all along to throw away an all-NBA defender in Green on a friendly contract at almost every turn while they continue to cling to their motley crew of albatross defensive sieves pretty much sumps up their body of work when it comes to roster construction.

I have seen enough of this front office over the last 3-4 years to vindicate those who were claiming that they owe their careers and reputations to the inimitable greatness of Tim Duncan.
Outside player development, there is nothing special about the operation they have been running. They’ve basked in the perpetual peace and prosperity of the Duncan/Big3 era without much thought to the morning after—the day when you are reduced again to being just another forgettable small market team.

This franchise needs a regime change, it needs to bite the bullet(s) and move on completely from the conservatism and archaic tenets that have guided them in the previous era (“loyalty contracts”; “culture”, “stand pat”, “punting games” etc ..).

Damn what depressing state of affairs, it sucks to be just another dumb team in the league :lol..

[timtonymanu]

Damn where has OP been?

People will come in here and say :cry but Pop has 5 rings, show more respect. But he really has to go at this point. This team needs a new direction so badly.

[spursistan]

Damn where has OP been?

People will come in here and say :cry but Pop has 5 rings, show more respect. But he really has to go at this point. This team needs a new direction so badly.

Been a bit busy in the last few months, tbh..Just began tuning in more to find out that we are on the right path to be Hornets/Hawks West for the foreseeable future :lol..

[timtonymanu]

Been a bit busy in the last few months, tbh..Just began tuning in more to find out that we are on the right path to be Hornets/Hawks West for the foreseeable future :lol..

It looked that way for most of the season. People were thinking 2nd round ceiling or even championship during the Spurs only good stretch of the season :lol.

[spursistan]

It looked that way for most of the season. People were thinking 2nd round ceiling or even championship during the Spurs only good stretch of the season :lol.

So another curb-stomping at the hands of the Warriors awaits. :lol

From here on out, It is textbook "treadmill of mediocrity" team or what I call "doing a Pacers": never bottom out and never ascend to a contender status, just be a happy 6th-8th seed team that may be lucky to win a round depending on match-ups or injuries..

[tbdog]

We are missing 3 starters. All draft and free agency decisions was based before the Leonard trade.

[spursistan]

Moving Aldridge or Derozan (preferably the latter) in the offseason is a must, methink. They both are not the archetype of top 2 player on legit title contenders. I think LMA will age better and is a big time player compared to Derozan whom the league has him entirely figured out..

It time for this front office to get bold and proactive.

[timtonymanu]

:lol missing 3 starters. That excuse is exactly the reason PATFO has been mediocre. Two years ago they were a Kawhi injury away from legit challenging the Warriors. Yet they used the Leonard being hurt excuse to stand pat and re-signed Mills and Gasol to contacts way passed their worth. Not to mention signing a gimpy Rudy Gay. It’s done nothing but brought them to this point.

[K...]

get used to being the pelicans and grizzlies. Injured players are the only guys who play for a discount. Injured players fall to the high 20's on draft night. This isn't pafto. This is the league. it's stacked against us. Be a warriors or lakers fan if you want to win. Babies.

[RD2191]

We are missing 3 starters. All draft and free agency decisions was based before the Leonard trade.

Naw fam, a team shouldn't be that dependent on one player. If anything, kawhi's departure exposed how poorly our roster was/is constructed.

[DPG21920]

Naw fam, a team shouldn't be that dependent on one player. If anything, kawhi's departure exposed how poorly our roster was/is constructed.

That’s not really fair. Other than GS, every team is that dependent. Beyond, that, it’s about how a team is built around the type of star you have. SA would not have built around DeRozan the same way they did with Kawhi so that’s not fair IMO.

But now? They know and the have to pick a lane. They see what they have an can plan accordingly

[spursistan]

:lol missing 3 starters. That excuse is exactly the reason PATFO has been mediocre. Two years ago they were a Kawhi injury away from legit challenging the Warriors. Yet they used the Leonard being hurt excuse to stand pat and re-signed Mills and Gasol to contacts way passed their worth. Not to mention signing a gimpy Rudy Gay. It’s done nothing but brought them to this point.
What also makes me less optimistic about the future is that their supposed young core (white, Murray, Walker) is injury prone by the looks of it, which is why taking on that Clippers offer (2 firsts) would have been a more satisfactory return for the scumbag..Just gotta stockpile picks and hope to hit on "a Giannis " or something close to that caliber. Draft is the only path for small market teams to field a contender in this pathetic culture of 'super-teams in LA/NY' of Today's NBA...

[objective]

The front office does draft pretty well.

But their time is over, sadly.

When they did the Mills/Gasol deals I knew they had lost it completely. There was no way to defend those massive deals when they had just proven they couldn't be on the court against the Warriors.

I did have a little hope that with the extra picks and Pau as a partial next season, even combined with the cheap contract of Forbes that they would try to adjust and move on to players who could have a chance to be on the court against a contender in the playoffs.

But it was just hope.

Spurs still don't get it, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the next regime does as long as it isn't headed up by some Orlando intern whose claim to fame is giving Kawhi to Toronto to give it up to his bro.

These games aren't even watchable without White. I've just been waiting to watch and fast forwarding.

[Dverde]

:bobo

[Strategic]

No denying that having two best perimeter defenders injured is exposing this team. With that said, even at full strength I don’t see how they could have been lacing them up the last month of this years playoffs without some help.

[rasuo214]

The problem is the team has become complacent, the front office and coaching aren't willing to do what is needed to be done to compete. They put more value on loyalty and culture, which stagnates the team from growing past just a good/above average team (unless someone they draft develops into an elite player like Kawhi did). Look at what Sean Marks was able to do with a trash Brooklyn Nets team that had a very bleak outlook. Fast forward 3 years and now the Nets are a contender with attractive team assets. Marks was willing to take risks and they have drafted well and it is paying off. The Warriors could have stuck with Mark Jackson and been satisfied with a good team but they took a risk and became the superteam of the current generation. Pop and RC need to realize that certain guys won't get it done if they want to actually compete and stop with this loyalty/culture BS.

[DPG21920]

It’s hard to say how much it hurt, but not having DJ and White together definitely hurts bad. However, that is a ton of pressure on those two young guys which doesn’t seem optimal.

Even though that is a legit excuse, there are plenty of issues to address.

[SouthTexasRancher]

PATFO have assembled the most low-IQ, one-dimensional, injury-prone and mentally-disengaged roster in franchise story.

Leave it to Pop to allow the irony of saying a 2nd year 29th pick is their second most valuable player escape him. That’s the extent to which his “retirement tour” (frankly speaking) has been bringing in the form of diminishing returns.

It is not only that they executed one of most embarrassing trades involving a legitimate superstar, but the giddiness they have shown all along to throw away an all-NBA defender in Green on a friendly contract at almost every turn while they continue to cling to their motley crew of albatross defensive sieves pretty much sumps up their body of work when it comes to roster construction.

I have seen enough of this front office over the last 3-4 years to vindicate those who were claiming that they owe their careers and reputations to the inimitable greatness of Tim Duncan.
Outside player development, there is nothing special about the operation they have been running. They’ve basked in the perpetual peace and prosperity of the Duncan/Big3 era without much thought to the morning after—the day when you are reduced again to being just another forgettable small market team.

This franchise needs a regime change, it needs to bite the bullet(s) and move on completely from the conservatism and archaic tenets that have guided them in the previous era (“loyalty contracts”; “culture”, “stand pat”, “punting games” etc ..).

Damn what depressing state of affairs, it sucks to be just another dumb team in the league :lol..


Well said and to the point. The time has come for new blood. Pop jhas always been an angry man but, this year he has the look in his eyes of a late night serial killer. The players on this team don't respond well to his anger. Many have brought up the point that he came in at halftime and basically cussed the team and players (individually) out. He really should retire and go enjoy his California winery. He's 70 years old and with 20 years of success he should step back and start enjoying life. The death of his wife has obviously been hard on him which is natural. But, the bottom line for me is I hope he retires and doesn't get fired because it is going to get worse before it gets better. There just isn't a whole lot of talent on this team. At least not NBA Championship quality talent. This is going to be a longgggggggggggggg season.:toast

[paperboy77]

But you know what? Regardless of this shitty Spurs version i still very much love the team! It is very unfortunate how it is now though. We really were lucky all those years. Silver lighting is that we have a good young core and a pretty good PG that should be back next year. That and I'm very excited/curious to see who will replace Pop. Being the Spurs, it will be a great replacement to Pop whom ever it winds up being. .......... Or things will begin to suck forever and SA will lose the team to Seattle or Austins punk ass!

[mkurts]

We got DeRozan, everyone will be very happy.

According to many, this team is in a great spot to contend lol

[TheGreatYacht]

We got DeRozan, everyone will be very happy.

According to many, this team is in a great spot to contend lol
DPG was on of those folks in the offseason :lol

"This was a playoff team without Nephew, just imagine how good they'll be inserting another Allstar in DeRozan. 3rd seed is likely imo"

Man....

[spursistan]

DPG was on of those folks in the offseason :lol

"This was a playoff team without Nephew, just imagine how good they'll be inserting another Allstar in DeRozan. 3rd seed is likely imo"

Man....

:lol

[GAustex]

San Antonio Spurs in the lottery-seems so unlikely. 2014 is long ago. (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39)

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Found it, didn't even take a minute.


DeRozan fits what SA wants to apparently do which is get another all-star type player so they can be competitive around LMA. I hate, but if SA had DeRozan last year instead of no Kawhi then SA would have been a 3rd seed.


Glad OP is back. The forum was starting to get overflooded by vanilla posters and noobs that thought PATFO would get their thumbs out of their hairy asses at the deadline.

Truth is, this is what PATFO wanted for Pop's creampie (I mean farewell.. oops) tour. Be good enough to be a 7-8th seed, not bad enough to tank for the future. Their mantra of getting over one's self applies to everyone but them. Their selfishness has set this team back a decade. They took Kawhi for granted after that Patty/Pau offseason. They thought he was like Tim, who never cared playing alongside scrubs like Dick, Rasho, Mason, etc. He was never like that. He just wants to be great. Being here and carrying losers and a selfish coach to 60 win seasons wasn't good enough.

[dontouchmebwo]

This franchise has always been satisfied with mediocrity, just look at the TD era, took them over a decade to find a legitimate big man to pair next to Duncan. Mills is another example, this dude was a fucking 4th stringer on the Blazers, now he's getting paid $50 million.

[sasaint]

Well said and to the point. The time has come for new blood. Pop jhas always been an angry man but, this year he has the look in his eyes of a late night serial killer. The players on this team don't respond well to his anger. Many have brought up the point that he came in at halftime and basically cussed the team and players (individually) out. He really should retire and go enjoy his California winery. He's 70 years old and with 20 years of success he should step back and start enjoying life. The death of his wife has obviously been hard on him which is natural. But, the bottom line for me is I hope he retires and doesn't get fired because it is going to get worse before it gets better. There just isn't a whole lot of talent on this team. At least not NBA Championship quality talent. This is going to be a longgggggggggggggg season.:toast

Don't forget about next season. I think DPG said that PATFO had to "pick its lane"... Well, there is little doubt in my mind that they will pick the lane that includes DeMar and LMA. That is not a core I want to see the team built around. Pop isn't going to retire before his contract ends. Get used to this state of affairs, because Pop isn't going to change his MO.

[Russ]

All is lost. :)

[K...]

It's fucking basketball entertainment

[SayTown]

Pop is content with his 5 rings. I think all Pop cares about now is being the all time winningest coach which would take 3 years of 40 win teams but he is ok with that.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This franchise has always been satisfied with mediocrity


In a world full of foolish mortals, you are among the most foolish. The best winning percentage of any franchise in any major sport, for almost 20 years is not mediocrity. But for you, mediocrity would be a great improvement.

[TimDunkem]

Been saying it since the moment Mills was re-signed at 12::lol1. This FO is past it's prime, and no longer is there Kawhi and the Big 3 to save them. You can't give out bad contracts to holdovers from 2014, or old washed up unless mediocrity is the goal.

It really is unfortunate timing that this is the point in which PATFO sets the team back. With Pop's future in question and no real star power, coupled with the usual issues San Antonio has as a FA destination, there is little they can do to improve the team outside of major trades (which is out of the question for this FO) since a DD/LMA core will never win in this league, but will be still be just good enough to keep the team out of the lottery.

And, no, Dejounte is not going to make this team contend. This team, healthy or not, is in NBA purgatory for the foreseeable future.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It’s hard to say how much it hurt, but not having DJ and White together definitely hurts bad. However, that is a ton of pressure on those two young guys which doesn’t seem optimal.

Even though that is a legit excuse, there are plenty of issues to address.

The team would not have been a legitimate title contender, even with both of those players healthy. And they would still have been unable to improve significantly because of the roster/cap situation.

As for issues to be addressed? It's easy enough to look that this team's poor clock management and inability to inbound the damn ball and see that they are not as well coached as previous incarnations of the Spurs were. No Jerry Sloan coached team would EVER show those two particular weaknesses, because he stressed execution and demanded it to the end. Pop was once a close second in that regard, but no longer. And if he's not holding the team to the same exacting standards he once did (he isn't), it's time for him to pass the torch.

3/$48M for Pau an 4/$50M for Patty were both horrible moves that handcuffed the Spurs' ability to bring in the kind of support Kawhi needed. People can analyze and guess all they want to, but that flagrant waste of cap space factored into Kawhi's (uncle's) thinking, like it or not. Contracts like that make players all but untradeable in anything but a salary dump. Neither player would be horrible as bit pieces in an otherwise deep team, but they are horrible as mainstay players - and that was evident when the contracts were given.

Last year's team was heavily dependent on a healthy geriatric Manu Ginobili. If he had come back for another season, this year's team would be heavily dependent on a one-year-older-geriatric Manu Ginobili. My vast knowledge of humans tells me that, deep down, even you don't believe this roster had a chance.

[TimDunkem]

The team would not have been a legitimate title contender, even with both of those players healthy. And their contract/cap situation would have left them with no way to improve significantly in the near term.

As for issues to be addressed? It's easy enough to look that this team's poor clock management and inability to inbound the damn ball and see that they are not as well coached as previous incarnations of the Spurs were. No Jerry Sloan coached team would EVER show those two particular weaknesses, because he stressed execution and demanded it to the end. Pop was once a close second in that regard, but no longer. And if he's not holding the team to the same exacting standards he once did (he isn't), it's time for him to pass the torch.

3/$48M for Pau an 4/$50M for Patty were both horrible moves that handcuffed the Spurs' ability to bring in the kind of support Kawhi needed. People can analyze and guess all they want to, but that flagrant waste of cap space factored into Kawhi's (uncle's) thinking, like it or not. Contracts like that make players all but untradeable in anything but a salary dump. Neither player would be horrible as bit pieces in an otherwise deep team, but they are horrible as mainstay players - and that was evident when the contracts were given.

Last year's team was heavily dependent on a healthy geriatric Manu Ginobili. If he had come back for another season, this year's team would be heavily dependent on a one-year-older-geriatric Manu Ginobili. My vast knowledge of humans tells me that, deep down, even you don't believe this roster had a chance.

Truth bombs galore here. The mere fact that Pop wanted a 41-going-on- 42 Manu back so he could keep using him to run the offense just goes to show how many glaring holes this team has, AND how out of touch the FO is.

[r0drig0lac]

But you know what? Regardless of this shitty Spurs version i still very much love the team! It is very unfortunate how it is now though. We really were lucky all those years. Silver lighting is that we have a good young core and a pretty good PG that should be back next year. That and I'm very excited/curious to see who will replace Pop. Being the Spurs, it will be a great replacement to Pop whom ever it winds up being. .......... Or things will begin to suck forever and SA will lose the team to Seattle or Austins punk ass!

we all do, that's why we're here complaining day after day



Been saying it since the moment Mills was re-signed at 12::lol1. This FO is past it's prime, and no longer is there Kawhi and the Big 3 to save them. You can't give out bad contracts to holdovers from 2014, or old washed up unless mediocrity is the goal.

It really is unfortunate timing that this is the point in which PATFO sets the team back. With Pop's future in question and no real star power, coupled with the usual issues San Antonio has as a FA destination, there is little they can do to improve the team outside of major trades (which is out of the question for this FO) since a DD/LMA core will never win in this league, but will be still be just good enough to keep the team out of the lottery.

And, no, Dejounte is not going to make this team contend. This team, healthy or not, is in NBA purgatory for the foreseeable future.


exactly, culture and all this bs was acceptable (although I never agreed with Ayres, Bonner, etc.) when we had 4 legends to carry the team on the court, from the moment the Great Fundamental retired, we became like any other team in the league, and our front office should have understood that

[monty4329]

So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years

You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Don't forget about next season. I think DPG said that PATFO had to "pick its lane"... Well, there is little doubt in my mind that they will pick the lane that includes DeMar and LMA. That is not a core I want to see the team built around. Pop isn't going to retire before his contract ends. Get used to this state of affairs, because Pop isn't going to change his MO.

You're right about Pop. At his age he ain't about to change much of anything. There isn't much to build around on the present team. Some how, some way, we have to get a true 3 and D. Someone who is long, athletic and has the 'want to' to play defense and is good at it. Like I said, it is going to be a longgggggggggggggg season. And probably another one or two more.

[tbdog]

Naw fam, a team shouldn't be that dependent on one player. If anything, kawhi's departure exposed how poorly our roster was/is constructed.

3 players and Gasol injury has depleted him as a nba standard player. We are down 4 rotational players layers essentially.

[monty4329]

we became like any other team in the league, and our front office should have understood that

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

[r0drig0lac]

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

?

[dbestpro]

It always amazes me when Pop goes political the Spurs cannot win a game to save their lives.

[acoelho1]

I was hearing the same nonsense about the front office before we drafted Leonard and went on another run. You guys are spoiled rotten by what RC and Pop has put together. If you put that critical lens on any other team short of the recent Warriors, there is no one with a better track record. Look at OKC for example, where everyone on this forum was fawning over Sam Presti and that he was the true brains behind some of our successful draft picks. He not only traded away Harden, he lost Durant and I don't see them any closer to a title even with the acquisition of Paul George. He had 3 all NBA caliber players and zero titles. He's hired poorly for the head coach twice!, which has hurt Westbrook's development in terms of his bad decision making.

Let's talk Danny Ainge, another one that is supposedly light years ahead of RC/Pop. Where are the Celtics today? Sure they have a ton of draft picks but I don't see them as title contenders and are not even in the top 3 in the East. I'm not as bullish on Tatum as some in the media are and I don't see him as a superstar. Danny could have gone hard after Kawhi (a legitimate superstar) and now will probably lose in a playoff series to the Raptors. He may even lose Kyrie in the off season if any of the rumors are true. Nevertheless, what do the Celtics have to show for after collecting all those draft picks from Brooklyn? A team that is very good but not quite good enough to win the title and I don't see them better than 76ers, Bucks and Raptors (if Kawhi stays).

In fact, if you were to ask me to pick between the Nets & Celtics in terms who will be better in the next 5 years, I'm picking the Nets. Sean Marks has done an unbelievable job putting that roster together and they will probably make the playoffs this year. If they had everybody healthy, they would be higher in the standings. Don't forget to that they have a lot of cap space and Brooklyn will be a player in the free agency market.

In terms of the Spurs, I'm actually very excited about the future. Dejounte Murray will be back, who I believe will be a star in this league and potentially all NBA. White is solid and I put him in the Drew Holiday category, an all star player but doesn't get the fan fare. White has shown he can play with anyone and can't wait to see him and DJ terrorizing back courts for years to come. Walker is another guy with superior athleticism but just needs time to develop. I have no doubt he will become solid player in this league and has all the tools to become something special. Metu has passed the eye test for me and like Walker, just needs time to polish his game. We also have Poelt and 2 drafts picks this year to add to that talent. This iteration of the Spurs was supposed to include Kawhi and he put a monkey wrench on our plans. Nevertheless, we have regrouped and will probably still make the playoffs but I have no doubt on RC/Pop will eventually put the Spurs again on top.

[Mugen]

:lol I'm sure the Pop suckers will be in full force saying PATFO deserves the benefit of the doubt....

But people aren't even asking trading for Anthony Davis, just small-time moves that literally any competent FO could do....

I mean this roster has both Dante Cunningham AND Quincy Pondexter on it, absolute wastes of space. They couldn't even find a taker for Pau's corpse when several terrible contracts got moved around before the deadline....Add to that the inevitable Fatty Mills extension and you've got a recipe for disaster for the next 3-4 years.

The only hope is that Pop retires within the next season and the next coach up brings something new to how the FO approaches Free Agency and roster construction....

[Mugen]

crofl that's the bar that Spurfan is now setting for the organization....."At least we're not Minnesota"...."at least we made the playoffs to get skull fucked by the Warriors again".....

What a loser mentality a big portion of this fanbase has tbh....

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Naw fam, a team shouldn't be that dependent on one player. If anything, kawhi's departure exposed how poorly our roster was/is constructed.

I agree 100% with this statement. Aldridge had been a decent #2 option for Kawhi while he was here but the team still needed more than what they had to actually beat the Warriors and when a championship.

I do like some of our younger players outside of Forbes though. DeRozan most likely could fetch the team a decent draft pick or cheaper good player but other than that this team has to really hit on these upcoming draft picks. The West is already hard but next season is going to be a blood bath!

[GreekSpursfan]

As all things in life Pop got old too. Lol at those who think that LMA is gonna age well, can't jump a fucking newspaper, runs like he's injured, zero latteral speed to defend pnr. Both need to go or released somehow because i dont think they can bring you anything, a second round pick maybe. As i said before Pop needs to retire at the end of the season because he's too great to be dealing with retarded players and their groups and depressed af individuals while getting paid 27 million. He should've retired last summer, big mistake by him but i can understand why he stayed. When you lose someone so close to you all you want to do is work and stay away from home.
Bottom line we need to tank for at least two seasons and if they can't afford that then move the team somewhere else, its as simple as that.

[BackHome]

The problem is we in the past had really good starters and a really good bench we have neither right now. When we signed Cunningham and Poindexter I was like OK we going to tank which was a little surprising but then after we started our winning streak I was like OK we have a legit chance but we need a stronger bench meaning upgrade Cunningham and Poindexter which did not happen. Smh

The team right now is back to tank mode it is painfully obvious that the Spurs players are not having fun and don’t give a shit anymore. If this continues I think Pop might hang it up this off season and I don’t have a clue who would replace him.

As far as getting back in the tittle win it all mode we have to make trades DEROZZ is just not a fit and would hopefully net us a good player or some decent draft picks. We need to shore up our bench with good two way players that means getting rid of Gasol, Forbes, Mills, if we have to take a step back in order to go forward I am all for that.

[koriwhat]

So another curb-stomping at the hands of the Warriors awaits. :lol

From here on out, It is textbook "treadmill of mediocrity" team or what I call "doing a Pacers": never bottom out and never ascend to a contender status, just be a happy 6th-8th seed team that may be lucky to win a round depending on match-ups or injuries..

so spurs circa early 1990's.

[dbestpro]

It is amazing that we have gone almost an entire season without a true SF, when SFs are more important to the game than any other time in NBA history.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Honestly we might have won it all this year if nephew didn't leave. This thing about mediocrity and stuff is an absurd excuse about why he left. A line up of Kawhi, LMA, Gay, DJ, White would be unstoppable. With Marco, Danny, Patty, Bertans off the bench.

But yeah nobody really liked the trade. I thought we were screwed the second DJ went down. Our problem is defense and our guards can't guard a shadow. DJ covers up a lot of their weaknesses, especially paired with White. There's no real fix for it this year either unfortunately. I even started a Spurs tank thread. It'll a be interesting who gets that last playoff spot but I'm assuming it's not us and we have a good draft pick as a result which we need so I'm ok with one year of missing the playoffs.

I mean the 18th pick and the 28th pick won't get us much trade value. But the 13th pick and the 29th might make us be able to move up 2 spots and get a player we actually really want. Enjoy the tank guys.

[r0drig0lac]

I was hearing the same nonsense about the front office before we drafted Leonard and went on another run. You guys are spoiled rotten by what RC and Pop has put together. If you put that critical lens on any other team short of the recent Warriors, there is no one with a better track record. Look at OKC for example, where everyone on this forum was fawning over Sam Presti and that he was the true brains behind some of our successful draft picks. He not only traded away Harden, he lost Durant and I don't see them any closer to a title even with the acquisition of Paul George. He had 3 all NBA caliber players and zero titles. He's hired poorly for the head coach twice!, which has hurt Westbrook's development in terms of his bad decision making.


I did not read the full post, but on Presti: he had to make a choice (Harden or Ibaka), when he already had two perimeter superstars, he made the obvious choice, if anyone is to blame on this is the owner of the franchise by refuse to pay the tax ( in LA or GSW and Presti would never have to worry about it).
about "losing Durant" is one of the greatest jokes in history, Durant in all his prime years had one of the 2/3 best roster in the league (with or without Harden), always had a superstar (Westbrook) and a dpoy candidate ( Ibaka) as well as an extremely qualified roster. He is not good enough, then had to run to the best team ever created (in addition to illegal screens) since 1998 bulls to win easy rings, he is the most cowardly athlete in basketball history, so no, Presti did not lose nobody, interesting that Westbrook was a toxic guy, but Oladipo says he is one of the reasons for his career turnaround, and PG13 got the chance to go to LA as a free agent, renewed his contract and is playing the best season of his career, with Westbrook, even after a hard injury.

Durant is the joke and so his rings are not respected, he just ran to the team more stacked in the league

[timtonymanu]

So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years

You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.

You're so vanilla

[DejuanorwhatDude]

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

It's not a question of whether any fan understands what to do with the Spurs. It's whether the Spurs front office understands whats happened to the team and what they will do about it going forward. What other people have been saying(which is evident from their decisions in the past few years, i.e. trading for DDR, signing Patty Mills to a fat extension, resigning Gasol to a multiyear deal) is that they dont. The best player for the Spurs right now is an about to be 34 year old PF. The player they thought would be a piece going forward tore his ACL. What about this franchise screams an upward trajectory?

[NASpurs]

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

:lol let me tell you the tale as to who the Spurs really wanted that year and it wasn’t Kawhi. So stop acting like they have this incredible foresight when if things were different and the Spurs would had moved up in the draft, Valanciunas would had been drafted over Kawhi.

[slick'81]

People are making excuses because white is hurt? Lol this team is hot trash and sadly since they resigned fatty and rupau its slowly gotten worse. We traded away the franchise for demar derozan for god sakes!

[Degoat]

Why can’t people get through their heads that kawhi wanted out!?! The spurs tried to trade for other possible franchise players they asked the 76ers for Ben Simmons or Joel emiid! Teams weren’t going to give up anything for kawhi because there’s uncertainty with him in his future commitments

[DPG21920]

Why can’t people get through their heads that kawhi wanted out!?! The spurs tried to trade for other possible franchise players they asked the 76ers for Ben Simmons or Joel emiid! Teams weren’t going to give up anything for kawhi because there’s uncertainty with him in his future commitments

Teams offered multiple first round picks for Kawhi and Patfo chose to go for a win now type move. Im fine with that. Im fine with them thinking last years team did well and with growth from White/Murray plus adding DeRozan they could be a WCF threat.

Im also fine with them not going all-in on the win now strategy after seeing where this team was actually at after the Kawhi trade. It would have been one thing to trade Kawhi for DeRozan and immediately trade the youth/picks for more win now players. But I can see why they wanted to wait and see.

When they did wait and see, and this deadline approached, it became pretty damn clear that going all-in win now was not the best of ideas since the team was so flawed.

However, this off season? They need to pick a direction. If they aren’t going to trade LMA/DeRozan, then they need to place serious effort into reshaping this team for the next two years to give them the highest ceiling possible for those two year. Even if it means giving up picks or trading some youth.

I don’t think after seeing what they have, that they can just try to fight, scratch and claw to be a 7th or 8th seed. This team lacks many things, isnt fun to watch to make up for it and they are sort of aimless right now.

That’s ok, some of that was to be expected with a team built around Kawhi that suddenly has DeRozan in there instead. But now they have had time to watch, evaluate and plan. There has to be a definitive direction. Look at what Jerry West did with the Clippers. He had a team that was stride for stride with sa in the playoff race but he made a decisive decision due to where they were at.

Im good either way; I am not ok with being stuck in the middle when you traded you best asset for someone win now. You chose that direction, so lean into it the best you can (and the best you can does not mean standing pat).

[R. DeMurre]

It just seems to me that a lot of the frustration directed at PATFO should really be aimed at Kawhi. He's the one that permanently changed the situation. In theory, drafting Murray and D White to play alongside Kawhi was a great plan, and probably would've allowed Bertans to play more minutes at PF, which would have given the Spurs a line up with great D from Kawhi/White/Murray and very good perimeter shooting from Bertans/Kawhi/White. The blueprint was great-- I don't think anyone can argue against that.

[monty4329]

:lol let me tell you the tale as to who the Spurs really wanted that year and it wasn’t Kawhi. So stop acting like they have this incredible foresight when if things were different and the Spurs would had moved up in the draft, Valanciunas would had been drafted over Kawhi.

So what? 14 teams didn't pick him

[monty4329]

It's not a question of whether any fan understands what to do with the Spurs. It's whether the Spurs front office understands whats happened to the team and what they will do about it going forward. What other people have been saying(which is evident from their decisions in the past few years, i.e. trading for DDR, signing Patty Mills to a fat extension, resigning Gasol to a multiyear deal) is that they dont. The best player for the Spurs right now is an about to be 34 year old PF. The player they thought would be a piece going forward tore his ACL. What about this franchise screams an upward trajectory?

What would be your argument to attract free agents in SA?

[NASpurs]

So what? 14 teams didn't pick him

Way to miss the point.

[SuperCam]

OP one of the wisest, most aware posters on the site destroying the fluffers again, tbh.

spur future is a bunch of malcontent overpaid 30s divas on long max contracts and a bunch of guards who arent close to all star caliber making 20 million a year more likely. very bleak and all in service of the ego of the post-prime coach to pad his record to the very end.

[SuperCam]

DPG was on of those folks in the offseason :lol

"This was a playoff team without Nephew, just imagine how good they'll be inserting another Allstar in DeRozan. 3rd seed is likely imo"

Man....


beating the drum even when decancer practically slit his wrists after the trade :lmao

[dbestpro]

So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years

You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.

You own a business that has turned a profit for twenty years and this year you lost money. You would be mad, and demanding answers so this would not happen, again. or you might say, "Oh well. We did so well for twenty years I guess I should expect to lose money for quite a while cause my competition has always lost money.

[monty4329]

You own a business that has turned a profit for twenty years and this year you lost money. You would be mad, and demanding answers so this would not happen, again. or you might say, "Oh well. We did so well for twenty years I guess I should expect to lose money for quite a while cause my competition has always lost money.

If the reason you are losing money this year is because last year an employee stole 19 million with a carryover damage to this year, the rational MO is continue to do what generated profits for the last 20 years. Doesn't seem too complicated to grasp.

[duncan2k5]

It's funny how everyone agrees with OP, and I've been saying the exact same thing that everyone in here has been saying, and I've been saying it for a long time... It's hypocrisy... When I say it, everyone disagrees... It's hilarious at this point

[duncan2k5]

beating the drum even when decancer practically slit his wrists after the trade :lmao

This comment is fucking hilarious!!!!

[emanueldavidginobili]

Pop is just old and behind the times and refuses to adapt. The second oldest coach is Mike who was ahead of his time from the get go even though it didn’t win him anything but that’s actually how the nba is played now. So I won’t count him there’s only 3 other coaches in the entire league that’s in their 60s and they’re in their early 60s. Pop is 70 years old I think only two other coaches in the history of the game coached at 70 Hubie Brown and Larry Brown. It’s time hang it up, and get some fresh blood in there.

[BackHome]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.

[Hoops Czar]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.
Except he won't be hanging it up. He'll be moving from the bench to the press box which is actually more detrimental to the team's future success. He almost has to because he can't leave "puppeteer" Buford in charge of running the team unsupervised unless you're Okay with watching the Spurs from Seattle. I don't think I've witnessed a GM get so much credit for doing absolutely nothing as RC Buford has over the last 20 years.

[spursistan]

so spurs circa early 1990's.

It's worse. At least we had D-Rob back then-- a superstar in his early prime/peak around who you could build ..We don't have anything close to that right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop deserves to go out however he wants, tbh..he's the best coach of all-time, this franchise will never see anybody like him again..

He didn't want to coach a lottery team in his final years and he believed DeRozan would be good enough to ensure that..it looked like a sound plan early on, but you can't blame somebody for mental health issues which have detailed the Spurs..just unfortunate for that + Murray's injury that killed the plan for this season..

[Othyus Lalanne]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.
Why? Ownership sucks now?


Pop deserves to go out however he wants, tbh..he's the best coach of all-time, this franchise will never see anybody like him again..

He didn't want to coach a lottery team in his final years and he believed DeRozan would be good enough to ensure that..it looked like a sound plan early on, but you can't blame somebody for mental health issues which have detailed the Spurs..just unfortunate for that + Murray's injury that killed the plan for this season..

Mental health issues?

[ElNono]

Not sure why people act surprised, tbh, losing a winner like Manu will set any team back in a major way, on gameplay, smarts, locker room, etc... even 40 year old Gino showed more guts than half this roster, tbh...

[r0drig0lac]

Not sure why people act surprised, tbh, losing a winner like Manu will set any team back in a major way, on gameplay, smarts, locker room, etc... even 40 year old Gino showed more guts than ALL this roster, tbh...

..

[MaNu4Tres]

It’s hard to say how much it hurt, but not having DJ and White together definitely hurts bad. However, that is a ton of pressure on those two young guys which doesn’t seem optimal.

Even though that is a legit excuse, there are plenty of issues to address.

With the way Pop & RC tried to put a ton of pressure on Kawhi, Danny and LA with the terrible Pau & Patty deals, it wouldnt surprise me if they think the help around Derrick & Dejounte is good enough.

[superbigtime]

sad state of affairs. RESET

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Losing Kawhi disrupted whatever long-term strategy the Spurs had in place so, yeah, there's going to be a "reorganization" needed. I think the FO just did what they could last off season to get through that fiasco. This year's team took a dip defensively, and that's really what's hurting the Spurs vs. last year.

[Ocotillo]

Losing Kawhi disrupted whatever long-term strategy the Spurs had in place so, yeah, there's going to be a "reorganization" needed. I think the FO just did what they could last off season to get through that fiasco. This year's team took a dip defensively, and that's really what's hurting the Spurs vs. last year.

Yeah, even though Kawhi did not play hardly last year, losing Danny Green and Kyle Anderson coupled with this year's injuries really destroyed the defense.

[Hoops Czar]

Pop deserves to go out however he wants, tbh..he's the best coach of all-time, this franchise will never see anybody like him again..

He didn't want to coach a lottery team in his final years and he believed DeRozan would be good enough to ensure that..it looked like a sound plan early on, but you can't blame somebody for mental health issues which have detailed the Spurs..just unfortunate for that + Murray's injury that killed the plan for this season..
If Pop is the greatest coach of all time, there's no words to describe the greatness of Tim Duncan, turning water into wine by transforming a slightly better than average head coach into the all-time greatest.

[TD 21]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276411

Great minds . . . welcome back.



Glad OP is back. The forum was starting to get overflooded by vanilla posters and noobs that thought PATFO would get their thumbs out of their hairy asses at the deadline.

Truth is, this is what PATFO wanted for Pop's creampie (I mean farewell.. oops) tour. Be good enough to be a 7-8th seed, not bad enough to tank for the future. Their mantra of getting over one's self applies to everyone but them. Their selfishness has set this team back a decade.

:tu

[YGWHI]

Yeah, even though Kawhi did not play hardly last year, losing Danny Green and Kyle Anderson coupled with this year's injuries really destroyed the defense.
But no one forced Spurs to lose Danny and Kyle.
Danny Green was in Spurs' trade talks since 2017 offseason, he heard many rumors about it. And they just didn't want to pay Kyle last summer.

The Spurs didn't get forced to trade Kawhi either.
If a player asks for a trade it doesn't mean the team HAS to trade him.

They could have opted to keep him this season. Force him to play in 2019...If he refuses, the league would finally fine him every game he sits. He would get exposed while his value in 2020 FA would get lower and lower...

This team is struggling anyway...who cares if the Spurs wouldn't get anything for Kawhi?

At least they would have sent a strong message to the league "We're the f*ucking Spurs. This is our team and our city. We're in control. We don't give a shit about players' demands" "Do you want leave? Yeah...We don't trade you"

Trading Kawhi was the weakest move in the Spurs' franchise story.

[slick'81]

But no one forced Spurs to lose Danny and Kyle.
Danny Green was in Spurs' trade talks since 2017 offseason, he heard many rumors about it. And they just didn't want to pay Kyle last summer.

The Spurs didn't get forced to trade Kawhi either.
If a player asks for a trade it doesn't mean the team HAS to trade him.

They could have opted to keep him this season. Force him to play in 2019...If he refuses, the league would finally fine him every game he sits. He would get exposed while his value in 2020 FA would get lower and lower...

This team is struggling anyway...who cares if the Spurs wouldn't get anything for Kawhi?

At least they would have sent a strong message to the league "We're the f*ucking Spurs. This is our team and our city. We're in control. We don't give a shit about players' demands" "Do you want leave? Yeah...We don't trade you"

Trading Kawhi was the weakest move in the Spurs' franchise story.


Worse then swapping rodman for will perdue!?

[YGWHI]

Worse then swapping rodman for will perdue!?
Almost...

[Hoops Czar]

Worse then swapping rodman for will perdue!?
Much worse. Kawhi wasn't in the Casinos on Spurs off days. Kawhi didn't show up hours late to practice or 20 minutes before tip off like Rodman. Rodman's bout with depression makes DeRozan's look like a sunny day in the park.

[slick'81]

Much worse. Kawhi wasn't in the Casinos on Spurs off days. Kawhi didn't show up hours late to practice or 20 minutes before tip off like Rodman. Rodman's bout with depression makes DeRozan's look like a sunny day in the park.

Yea atleast demar takes his meds tbh

[spursistan]

Any suckers left out there for this joke FO?

Imagine they actually about to fail to clear the "mediocre hurdle" with such bloated payroll and will be lottery team instead..:lol

[TD 21]

They deserve the worst possible result, which is to fall to 9th right at the very of the season and end up with the 14th pick . . . there's no excuse for this atrociously assembled roster. They'd be the laughing stock of the league if anyone outside of their fan base were actually paying one iota of attention to them.

[BatManu20]

Knicks throwing alley-oops off the backboard against us :rollin

[SuperCam]

someone bump the posts from the pre-season popsuckers who insisted 47 wins w/ no kiwi + decancer = 2nd seed :lmao

[spursistan]

They deserve the worst possible result, which is to fall to 9th right at the very of the season and end up with the 14th pick . . . there's no excuse for this atrociously assembled roster. They'd be the laughing stock of the league if anyone outside of their fan base were actually paying one iota of attention to them.

Yep, Really need to miss the playoffs, now..There is absolutely no point in getting clowned by Warriors for a 3rd year in a row..

The bottom has fell out for this franchise I'm afraid. This summer is about damage control-- that's if they have any competent bone left in them..

[timtonymanu]

:cry But Kawhi is the reason we're in this situation.

He may have had a hand in it, but this insane front office signed Gasoft and Mills to extensions before he bailed. Just a horribly managed team.

[RD2191]

:cry But Kawhi is the reason we're in this situation.

He may have had a hand in it, but this insane front office signed Gasoft and Mills to extensions before he bailed. Just a horribly managed team.

As I said before, the only thing Kawhi leaving did was expose this shit ass roster.

[timtonymanu]

Any suckers left out there for this joke FO?

Imagine they actually about to fail to clear the "mediocre hurdle" with such bloated payroll and will be lottery team instead..:lol

What's also hilarious is the Clippers trying to tank but we're in a foot race with them for 8th.

[NASpurs]

:cry But Kawhi is the reason we're in this situation.

He may have had a hand in it, but this insane front office signed Gasoft and Mills to extensions before he bailed. Just a horribly managed team.

:cry but Mills and Gasol were signed to compliment Kawhi's game

No wonder he bailed :lol

[spursistan]

What's also hilarious is the Clippers trying to tank but we're in a foot race with them for 8th.

Plus they have two max slots available in the summer :lol

Just shows what a disgusting job PATFO have done with this roster..

[J_Paco]

If Pop is the greatest coach of all time, there's no words to describe the greatness of Tim Duncan, turning water into wine by transforming a slightly better than average head coach into the all-time greatest.

Sure, give the coach and GM absolutely no credit for building and maintaining 20+ years of success in a small market. Duncan deserves a lion's share of the credit, but this organization could have taken a nosedive plenty of times between 2000 - 2011 had they not made astute, smart decisions.

Easy to question their judgementand ability when the walls are crashing down and all the key players (Duncan, Parker & Ginobili) are now gone....

[DMC]

1997 Tim Duncan ain't walkin' through that door. No Tim no ring.

[J_Paco]

They deserve the worst possible result, which is to fall to 9th right at the very of the season and end up with the 14th pick . . . there's no excuse for this atrociously assembled roster. They'd be the laughing stock of the league if anyone outside of their fan base were actually paying one iota of attention to them.

Sure, because they are "the most poorly constructed, stuck not playing modern NBA basketball team ever, blah, blah, blah....."

We get it, Pop and R.C. are the worst coach/GM combo this side of Tom Thibodeau, Scott Brooks/Ernie Grunfeld, etc, etc....

Only the astute, modern thinking fans of ST can see that the team is poorly constructed, "badly coached," running an offense counter to everyone else and worse than all (I guess)......

Or some of the same regurgitated, whiny bullshit since Leonard was traded and Murray tore his ACL.....

I'll make sure to grab the pacifier and Kleenex for y'all to wipe the snot and tears away.....

[J_Paco]

1997 Tim Duncan ain't walkin' through that door. No Tim no ring.

Very true, DMC. But having Timmy alone was never a guarantee of winning anything. Just look at 'Bron in Cleveland (the first time), Durant in OKC and Shaq in Orlando......

[dbreiden83080]

You own a business that has turned a profit for twenty years and this year you lost money. You would be mad, and demanding answers so this would not happen, again. or you might say, "Oh well. We did so well for twenty years I guess I should expect to lose money for quite a while cause my competition has always lost money.

This is a business where rebuilding is now needed for the first time in 20 years. So the team needs to go young, and start all over again and it will now be a "process" as they say. I expect this is Pop's last year as coach. The whole team will go young. So you stick with the team during these upcoming rough years, or jump ship. Up to you. But there will be no quick fix coming next year or even the year after.

[r0drig0lac]

:cry But Kawhi is the reason we're in this situation.

He may have had a hand in it, but this insane front office signed Gasoft and Mills to extensions before he bailed. Just a horribly managed team.

"this roster was set up for Kawhi" is one of the biggest jokes said in spurstalk,
as if playing with dwarves was the ideal roster for Leonard, who would have to work defensively, and at the playoffs, would be the only guy who could score consistently

[timtonymanu]

Sure, because they are "the most poorly constructed, stuck not playing modern NBA basketball team ever, blah, blah, blah....."

We get it, Pop and R.C. are the worst coach/GM combo this side of Tom Thibodeau, Scott Brooks/Ernie Grunfeld, etc, etc....

Only the astute, modern thinking fans of ST can see that the team is poorly constructed, "badly coached," running an offense counter to everyone else and worse than all (I guess)......

Or some of the same regurgitated, whiny bullshit since Leonard was traded and Murray tore his ACL.....

I'll make sure to grab the pacifier and Kleenex for y'all to wipe the snot and tears away.....

I mean it’s still gonna be true. But go read some pop sucker opinion that this team will be in good shape if it makes you feel better.

[J_Paco]

I mean it’s still gonna be true. But go read some pop sucker opinion that this team will be in good shape if it makes you feel better.

Nah, they aren't the worst but they do lack elite talent, he's had much of his top brass (Marks, Budenholzer, etc) poached and lacked the foresight the assemble a more versatile team (we all agree on those things). I also understand the frustration, disappointment and apathy some have with this current team and how he has been built (I've been on the "please trade Patty Mills" boat for 2 or 3 years) it, but the reality is they aren't built to compete as an elite or even above average team.


I'll just enjoy the games they do win, hope for more growth/development of the young players and that they can shift courses to at least a more competitive and versatile on court product. This team was stuck in neutral as soon as Kawhi/Danny were traded and DeJounte tore his ACL.....

[objective]

:cry but Mills and Gasol were signed to compliment Kawhi's game

No wonder he bailed :lol

I will never not be stunned at how ridiculous the Mills/Gasol signings were.

Right after Mills and Gasol proved they weren't good enough to be on the floor with the Warriors and couldn't possibly play the crunch time against them ... They locked them up and obliterated over a quarter of their capspace. And there was no doubt that those guys would crumble as they aged, getting even worse.

Now Gasol can't even play off the bench against one of the two worst teams in the league.

And Mills is proving how overrated locker room presence is year after year. Without White the team is lottery. Talent matters more than culture, being able to play matters more than froggy dances.

Now the Spurs get to pick some firsts at 13-19 and 28-30 and see those guys get over themselves in Austin next year or rot overseas as stashes.

[spursistan]

They desperately need to miss the playoffs with few more embarrassing losses along the way. If they make it, this front office is delusional enough to standpad thinking they are a post-ACL Murray away from a Top 3 seed..

[DMC]

Very true, DMC. But having Timmy alone was never a guarantee of winning anything. Just look at 'Bron in Cleveland (the first time), Durant in OKC and Shaq in Orlando......

Well no they wouldn't have him out there by himself. Without Tim Duncan Spurs are 0 and forever

[DMC]

They desperately need to miss the playoffs with few more embarrassing losses along the way. If they make it, this front office is delusional enough to standpad thinking they are a post-ACL Murray away from a Top 3 seed..

It's only embarrassing to the fans who have unrealistic expectations. It's not embarrassing to the team, or the franchise. They have five championship trophies. They have lots of house money to play with.

[MultiTroll]

It's only embarrassing to the fans who have unrealistic expectations. It's not embarrassing to the team, or the franchise. They have five championship trophies. They have lots of house money to play with.
Just live in the past. Got it. Not.

It's embarrassing now.
Yes nothing can take away the Tim Duncan led teams. That he got 5 with Pock continues to speak of how awesome Tim was.

[DMC]

Just live in the past. Got it. Not.

It's embarrassing now.
Yes nothing can take away the Tim Duncan led teams. That he got 5 with Pock continues to speak of how awesome Tim was.

30 teams.. only one hasnt missed the playoffs in 20 years. Spurs have as many rings has any team in the league during that time. There's a difference between living in the past and understanding the situation. If you're embarrassed it's only because you're part of the group of people who never saw the Spurs miss the playoffs and always had Tim Duncan until recently. And in a league that has teams that either stack or tank it's refreshing to have a team that at least tries to win.

I love the Spurs because they're different than other teams...Followed by I wish the Spurs could be more like other teams.

[MultiTroll]

30 teams.. only one hasnt missed the playoffs in 20 years. Spurs have as many rings has any team in the league during that time. There's a difference between living in the past and understanding the situation. If you're embarrassed it's only because you're part of the group of people who never saw the Spurs miss the playoffs and always had Tim Duncan until recently. And in a league that has teams that either stack or tank it's refreshing to have a team that at least tries to win.
No, losing to the Knicks and having the potty mouth no talent nagger blab about it at the Oskars is embarrassing.
As is signing Patty and proclaiming him the leader and massive overpay of Gasteal while losing Kawhi. Who btw, perhaps someday timvp will be able to say what his sauses say is Kwa's side of the medical story. Could be further embarrassing.

[look_at_g_shred]

They desperately need to miss the playoffs with few more embarrassing losses along the way. If they make it, this front office is delusional enough to standpad thinking they are a post-ACL Murray away from a Top 3 seed..
What’s worse is even if we miss the playoffs, they still won’t do shit due to the loyalty factor. This FO never learns.

[NASpurs]

What’s worse is even if we miss the playoffs, they still won’t do shit due to the loyalty factor. This FO never learns.

Anyone here remember Derek Anderson and his claiming the Spurs weren’t loyal. Now that shit is biting us in the ass the other way.

[UncleDennis]

What's also hilarious is the Clippers trying to tank but we're in a foot race with them for 8th.


Fuckin' A...There sure are a lot of hilarious and sad ways to see how badly the season is going.

In my head I picture that meme of the dog enjoying his coffee at the table while the flames and smoke engulf him, but instead of the dog it's Pop with a glass of wine or something.

[TimDunkem]

Anyone here remember Derek Anderson and his claiming the Spurs weren’t loyal. Now that shit is biting us in the ass the other way.

Spurs FO forgot what brought them titles. Funny how loyalty deals and "being fair" is no longer working when there are no legitimate superstars to carry the team.

[DMC]

No, losing to the Knicks and having the potty mouth no talent nagger blab about it at the Oskars is embarrassing.
As is signing Patty and proclaiming him the leader and massive overpay of Gasteal while losing Kawhi. Who btw, perhaps someday timvp will be able to say what his sauses say is Kwa's side of the medical story. Could be further embarrassing.

The Spurs are mentioned at the Oscars. That's all you should get out of that.

[DMC]

Spurs FO forgot what brought them titles. Funny how loyalty deals and "being fair" is no longer working when there are no legitimate superstars to carry the team.

How could they forgot what brought them titles? It retired a couple years ago. There's no way in hell they throw together a bunch of scrubs and some rejects from other teams b level stars and win a title. Who in the league would come to San Antonio and improve their title chances? Name one person.

[itzsoweezee]

The saddest part of all this, the Spurs could have been right where they are now, battling for the 8 seed, if they'd just traded away kawhi for draft picks. Now, they're saddled with demar's albatross of a contract and are not getting much better anytime in the near future.

it's hard to comprehend how shitty this front office had been for about the past 3 seasons. The incompetence is amazing.

[SuperCam]

The saddest part of all this, the Spurs could have been right where they are now, battling for the 8 seed, if they'd just traded away kawhi for draft picks. Now, they're saddled with demar's albatross of a contract and are not getting much better anytime in the near future.

it's hard to comprehend how shitty this front office had been for about the past 3 seasons. The incompetence is amazing.


popsuckers were in full damage control when the wiser members of this forum were explaining that PATFO should have taken the two lottery picks from the Clippers + Tobias Harris.

[SuperCam]

Rock bottom as a franchise, maybe the worst in the league over the next five years given contract situations and likelihood of aquiring a star in the draft. Only the wizards and magic more futile going forward perhaps. Looking at a slog of boring basketball to compete for 35 to 45 wins with no realistic shot at WCF in that span.

not since 1987 has the outlook been this hopeless, and there's no DRob coming to save the team.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Re-signing Byrn when you're still overpaying Patty
:lol giving Gasol an extension during his retirement tour
:lol making Patty House your first priority in 2017
:lol signing post-Achilles injury Rudy Gay
:lol timvp thinking this year's team (even with Murray) would work

[TimDunkem]

:lol Re-signing Byrn when you're still overpaying Patty
:lol giving Gasol an extension during his retirement tour
:lol making Patty House your first priority in 2017
:lol signing post-Achilles injury Rudy Gay
:lol timvp thinking this year's team (even with Murray) would work

B...b...b...but...culture! Gasol's contract is tradeable!...It still is...right?! Oh! And Bryn works hard and doesn't miss in practice!

[TD 21]

Sure, because they are "the most poorly constructed, stuck not playing modern NBA basketball team ever, blah, blah, blah....."

We get it, Pop and R.C. are the worst coach/GM combo this side of Tom Thibodeau, Scott Brooks/Ernie Grunfeld, etc, etc....

Only the astute, modern thinking fans of ST can see that the team is poorly constructed, "badly coached," running an offense counter to everyone else and worse than all (I guess)......

Or some of the same regurgitated, whiny bullshit since Leonard was traded and Murray tore his ACL.....

I'll make sure to grab the pacifier and Kleenex for y'all to wipe the snot and tears away.....

:lmao Angry, hypocritical apologist.

Except I was saying much of what I've said since before these things took place.

[GreekSpursfan]

:lol Re-signing Byrn when you're still overpaying Patty
:lol giving Gasol an extension during his retirement tour
:lol making Patty House your first priority in 2017
:lol signing post-Achilles injury Rudy Gay
:lol timvp thinking this year's team (even with Murray) would work

Bryn costs peanuts, they thought he could develop into something, they were wrong but they gambled there, i dont have a problem with that
Gasol and Mills are two major mistakes
Gay was a low cost high reward if he could somewhat get back to his old self, i have zero problem with that gamble
No team with LMA and Derozan as your 50 million duo can work, they cost too much to be this incompetent.
Bottom line, this team is overachieving imo, tbh.

[J_Paco]

:lmao Angry, hypocritical apologist.

Except I was saying much of what I've said since before these things took place.

How am I angry or hypocritical? I've wanted the team to begin rebuilding the last two seasons, but that isn't the direction they (meaning Pop and R.C.) want to head in. So, instead of constantly bitching, moaning and regurgitating the same thing over and over again I hang back and see how things go.

Everyone (here) would like the Spurs to be championship contenders forever, but eventually the lack of high lottery picks, not being a "destination" city and losing Duncan (mostly), Parker, Ginobili and Leonard would catch up to them.

And I agree with a lot what is said as far as poor management decisions, allocation of finances and line ups/rotations, but I'm also not delusional enough to believe that I know or understand more about the NBA game than the two primary figures on the team.

Or that Pop's sheer "arrogance" has held back the team the last 4 years and not the fact that they been without a lottery pick in 22 years.

You on the other hand believe you do....

[TD 21]

How am I angry or hypocritical? I've wanted the team to begin rebuilding the last two seasons, but that isn't the direction they (meaning Pop and R.C.) want to head in. So, instead of constantly bitching, moaning and regurgitating the same thing over and over again I hang back and see how things go.

Everyone (here) would like the Spurs to be championship contenders forever, but eventually the lack of high lottery picks, not being a "destination" city and losing Duncan (mostly), Parker, Ginobili and Leonard would catch up to them.

And I agree with a lot what is said as far as poor management decisions, allocation of finances and line ups/rotations, but I'm also not delusional enough to believe that I know or understand more about the NBA game than the two primary figures on the team.

Or that Pop's sheer "arrogance" has held back the team the last 4 years and not the fact that they been without a lottery pick in 22 years.

You on the other hand believe you do....

You're angry and a hypocrite because virtually every post is you bitching, moaning and regurgitating the same thing over and over again too.

My problem with them is that so much of the damage was not only self inflicted, but obvious at the time. All of the things that were naturally supposed to bring them down didn't, yet they still found a way to screw it up. Sure, they couldn't do anything about scumbag, but they didn't have to accept one of the worst trades in recent memory and set the franchise back years.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pin this thread for the entire day tbh. OP is a legend...