This DeMar bashing is pathetic

[Collins21]

This shit is getting out of hand. DeMar is a flawed player no argument there, However this crap about this shit show being his fault is ridiculous. The problem with this team is small shitty no defense playing guards. It's funny when derrick white is playing we win games not because of his offense so much but because of his defense. I would like to see any player y'all think to better than DeMar carry a team with Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills getting torched all over the place. Now DeMar has played like garbage since the Toronto Game but this shit show is not his fault.

[Rusty]

Is OP Kyle Lowry?:lol

[ismael-robert]

Hi Demar

[Corp1]

Demar gets torched just as much as Patty and Bryn.

[ZeusWillJudge]

In the last 15 games, he's had 8 where he shot .333 or less. In the first 37 games he only shot that low once, and that was in a 25 point blowout win where he only shot the ball 6 times because of the big lead and short minutes.

The Spurs are 5-12 this year when DeRozan turns the ball over 4 or more times. He did it 9 times in the first 37 games, and 8 times in the last 15 games. (The Spurs went 2-6 in those 8 games.)

If he was taking care of the ball, and not shooting like shit, he wouldn't be getting bashed.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Demar makes a great point guys.

[monty4329]

In the last 15 games, he's had 8 where he shot .333 or less. In the first 37 games he only shot that low once, and that was in a 25 point blowout win where he only shot the ball 6 times because of the big lead and short minutes.

The Spurs are 5-12 this year when DeRozan turns the ball over 4 or more times. He did it 9 times in the first 37 games, and 8 times in the last 15 games. (The Spurs went 2-6 in those 8 games.)

If he was taking care of the ball, and not shooting like shit, he wouldn't be getting bashed.

That, and most of all the pisspoor attitude. He doesn't give rat's ass, that's what it is. Does he ever fight? Even Marco tries hard in defense.

[JuegaBonito]

I want to say a few words about the state of the black American millennial NBA player. Why they don't wanna compete anymore? Why when they lose they cry it is not fun there is no joy? Why they wanna run away from challenges, difficulties and grind?

Why do they seek to join teams with power imbalances to short cut their way to championships?

Kyrie, Durant, Anthony Davis all these dudes will they ever be happy under any circumstance? Just sad these days.

[timvp]

This shit is getting out of hand. DeMar is a flawed player no argument there, However this crap about this shit show being his fault is ridiculous. The problem with this team is small shitty no defense playing guards. It's funny when derrick white is playing we win games not because of his offense so much but because of his defense. I would like to see any player y'all think to better than DeMar carry a team with Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills getting torched all over the place. Now DeMar has played like garbage since the Toronto Game but this shit show is not his fault.

A lot of truth, tbh.

The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.

[monty4329]

A lot of truth, tbh.

The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.

The disruptive power of bad attitude on colleagues' performance and on the workplace in general is much studied and longtime accepted as indisputable.
Cavs got rid of IT in a heartbeat for that reason.

[r0drig0lac]

I agree, even Kawhi (who at his peak is one of the 2-way best players on the perimeter of all time), needed a much better roster than the current one to make noise in a worse west than the current, Demar is not close to that level, so he needs a much better support roster (again a PAFTO failure imo), his weaknesses that had not been shown earlier in the season are appearing now, he clearly has focus problem and tendency to tunnel vision (even worse than Kawhi for not being so good iso player), still believe that he can work working the pick and roll like Harden, Oladipo, etc, or throwing away the ball in cuts, but he needs to stop with his post game, in addition to not be efficient, he is not good enough passer to do this and not completely change the offensive

[RC_Drunkford]

DeFrozan's stats after the Toronto game (including being rested for 5 games): 35.4 MPG 17.7 PPG on 42.9% shooting 6.6 Reb 5.5 Assists 3.4 TO with a +/- of -3.7. His defensive rating for the season is 112 which is the worst since his sophomore season. He's clearly underperforming and before the last 2 games was shooting like 39% and scored 14 points average.
He has fallen off a cliff and the bottom line is this team is only 9 deep. Once one of those players is out the team is in trouble. Unless, yeah unless that player is DeRozan. Then this team can still win.

Another big factor which was clear to begin with, is that teams scouted the Spurs defense. Pop was able to fix holes with his schemes, but that only lasts for so long

[DPG21920]

A lot of truth, tbh.

The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.

True, but isn’t DeRozan’s defense a rather large part of the issue? I mean, Forbes/Beli/DeRozan/Mills combine to make the worst guard defensive group in the league. He’s a part of that, despite the fact this is not all his “fault”.

[Spurs Homer]

Agree with OP -

So far I am attributing this shitty bashers club as mainly a few Kawhi -suckers who are still salty that their hero is a disgraceful quitter who betrayed the franchise.


Give DDR a break already - he will get it together at the right time to at least scare some "superior" team in the first round of the playoffs -and if things break really well maybe even get the spurs to the 2nd round. That is pretty much the ceiling right now.

Patience. It will be sweet when the Spurs finish their rebuild on the fly.

[GreekSpursfan]

Interior defense is a bigger issue imo. Our guards lead the opposing guards inside and there is no one to protect the rim. LMA is a bystander of easy lay ups, Poetl not what he was advertised to be and i better not talk about Pau. Our interior defense is absolutely pathetic not to mention rebounding. Yes we have issues on the perimeter but our inside defense is a bigger problem. Marvin Bagley had the best game of his young career against us and that says a lot.

[Degoat]

The bashing is unwarranted, kawhi left the organization in shambles. We should be glad we got a play like DeMar considering what kawhi and his group did. Albeit it was the eastern conference DeMar led the raptors to the best record in the conference. Plus of course will have some growing pains, this is the first year Pop hasn’t had Tim, Tony, or Manu

[Mikeanaro]

You are pathetic, OP.

[Degoat]

The problem is we need players like Danny Green, Jae crowder, Josh Richardson, etc around DeMar instead we roll out with patty and bryn lol

[BlackAndWhite]

How come Derozen doesn't run as many pick and rolls. I always thought that was more efficient than the isos and post ups

[monty4329]

How come Derozen doesn't run as many pick and rolls. I always thought that was more efficient than the isos and post ups

because he dribbles on his feet and loses the ball

[monty4329]

The problem is we need players like Danny Green, Jae crowder, Josh Richardson, etc around DeMar instead we roll out with patty and bryn lol

No, we need DDR out of male players' way. This team is perfectly fine without a crybaby emasculated ballstopper who cares only about his statsheet and never even pretend to defend. He should be out of the rotation until he finds his testicles.

[slick'81]

Lol trying to make ho a housewife

[313]

A lot of truth, tbh.

The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

Well started the year something like 29th on defense and it’s not like we made any moves. This team is who we thought they were and a month of gimmick defense hasn’t changed anything.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't bash DeMar, and I actually liked him early in the season due to his improved assist & rebounding numbers, but at this point I honestly think that one of the first round draft picks + DeMar offered as trade bait for a better defensive player(s) is the most direct route to improving.

[DPG21920]

But its not like DeRozan doesnt have help. In fact, hes arguably the weakest defensive link in the standard starting lineup both talent and effort wise.

LMA is a plus defender. White is a plus defender. Rudy has been decent enough. So even in that starting lineup, if we are complaining about defense, the 27M man has to take some blame no?

[bic50]

Agree with OP -

So far I am attributing this shitty bashers club as mainly a few Kawhi -suckers who are still salty that their hero is a disgraceful quitter who betrayed the franchise.


Give DDR a break already - he will get it together at the right time to at least scare some "superior" team in the first round of the playoffs -and if things break really well maybe even get the spurs to the 2nd round. That is pretty much the ceiling right now.

Patience. It will be sweet when the Spurs finish their rebuild on the fly.
Get over kl already

[bic50]

The bashing is unwarranted, kawhi left the organization in shambles. We should be glad we got a play like DeMar considering what kawhi and his group did. Albeit it was the eastern conference DeMar led the raptors to the best record in the conference. Plus of course will have some growing pains, this is the first year Pop hasn’t had Tim, Tony, or Manu
Raptors traded demar for someone who's quite possibly only one year rental and supposedly coming off injury. They had demar for 9 years and just let him go just like that. Theres a reason for that

[ZeusWillJudge]

Get over kl already


Wisdom worthy of Olympus. "Get over KL already". I'm going to have that carved in stone.


DDR's defensive shortcomings aren't a surprise to anyone. When he's inept on offense, he's a liability. Worse, his fumbling and chucking leads to easy points for the other team, which makes the Spurs' team defensive numbers look even worse. Transition dunks and layups are free points.

Yes, the Spurs miss the transition defense of Kawhi, Green, Murray, and White (now). They're pretty much the only Spurs in the last two seasons who played transition D. But when you don't have anyone worth a damn at playing transition D, you better take care of the ball and make good shot selections or you're going to get killed. The fact that DDR has missed a LOT of good, close looks over the last 15 games is just icing on the cake.

[Genovaswitness]

depussy is bitch made

[gambit1990]

Raptors traded demar for someone who's quite possibly only one year rental and supposedly coming off injury. They had demar for 9 years and just let him go just like that. Theres a reason for that

[alpha_HaZE]

It is really is, and it shows the lack of B-ball understanding those "fans" have. If you look at advanced stats his defence is as horrible as LaMarcu's yet one gets a pass for it the other gets bashed.

[Capt Bringdown]

You can't make a case that DeMar is playing well, so you make it about who is the biggest cheerleader.
/sorted

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

DDR has looked off lately. Maybe the Raptors game after the break will wake him from his funk.

[slick'81]

DDR has looked off lately. Maybe the Raptors game after the break will wake him from his funk.

Or destroy him forever

[monty4329]

DDR has looked off lately. Maybe the Raptors game after the break will wake him from his funk.

Sadly, he'll have a strong offensive game, then disappear again pouting

[itzsoweezee]

He's been bad, as have Mills and Forbes

The problem is that DeMar plays uninterested when White plays. When White doesn't play, the defense falls apart. Hopefully, once White comes back, popovich smartens up and moves Forbes to the bench and starts Bertans.

[Leetonidas]

He needs to figure out how to be useful off the ball. If he's not running the offense he's useless out there

[SpursDynasty85]

He's been bad, as have Mills and Forbes

The problem is that DeMar plays uninterested when White plays. When White doesn't play, the defense falls apart. Hopefully, once White comes back, popovich smartens up and moves Forbes to the bench and starts Bertans.

Agree. Out of Forbes and Mills PATFO needs to choose one have him come off the bench and trade the other. Bertans at SF is not ideal but its our best option probably.

[Dverde]

Agree. Out of Forbes and Mills PATFO needs to choose one have him come off the bench and trade the other. Bertans at SF is not ideal but its our best option probably.

Exactly correct. Mills and Forbes are very similar. One needs to be traded. Murray is coming back and will need minutes. I hope it is Patty. Forbes might make more sense. Throw him with a draft pick and move up draft picks. Forbes contract would be seen as an asset.

[Arcadian]

Remember when the Spurs went on a historic run averaging 30+ margin of victory for 2 weeks?

:lol How the fuck is that the same team?

[TDomination]

Remember when the Spurs went on a historic run averaging 30+ margin of victory for 2 weeks?

:lol How the fuck is that the same team?

oddly enough...derrick white

plus a lot of home games

[spurraider21]

Demar makes a great point guys.
:lol

[Rosewood]

Is OP Kyle Lowry?:lol :lmao

[timtonymanu]

:lol Degoat
:lol Derozan m8
:lol any Derozan fan accounts

This guy just being on the court is literally more cancerous than Nephew not showing face last year, tbh.

[WallyTiger]

so depression
the patfo made a good deal

[DAF86]

This DeMar play is pathetic.

[DAF86]

I could live with the fact of him not making shots if he wasn't such a lazy, whinny, no effort giving, little baby.

[resistanze]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.

[8sy21vd]

Man. No hate intended but it would have been better to keep Leonard and let him walk after the season for nothing just for salary cap relief if nothing else. Demar has been a monster disappointment since he showed so much skill early in the season (scoring and play making). His lack of hustle on the defensive end and body language are really inexcusable for a supposed All-Star level talent. Ready to move on but excited to see how Derrick and Murray play together. LW4 needs some burn over Cunningham and Pondexter for goodness sake loll

[Hoops Czar]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.
"He has a mental illness, show some compassion." :lol

[Collins21]

Man All Star players don't turn to shit out of nowhere. I think something is going on in DeRozan personal life that is causing this. Not excusing this play but I bet it's something mental than him just being a scrub.

[baseline bum]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.

He's like 2001-02 Steve Smith who started out red hot before becoming a washed up piece of shit once the games started mattering.

[vander]

honestly, he needs to come off the bench next year

[DAF86]

honestly, he needs to come off the bench next year

He needs to gtfo of the team, tbh.

[Dverde]

Demar needs old school Pop not Grand Pierre Pop. They need to call him out. Missing huge shots night after night without passing it around. I still like Demar, but he is doing dumb stuff.

[timtonymanu]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.

Homers gotta be delusional and find a silver lining in everything + being hurt from the Nephew betrayal + timvp doing his trade thoughts trying to spin the shitshow. This trade was always trash from day 1.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's clearly something going on with him, it's a valid concern for somebody with a history of mental illness..

I've been one of his biggest haters for the past decade, but he isn't THIS cancerous, especially during the Regular Season..

Hopefully he can win his fight against whatever is going on at the moment, as it's more important than meaningless basketball games, as Pop always says..

[313]

probably depressed about this piece of shit roster he got traded to

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.


Oh, please. Canadians don't hate anyone.

Toronto kept its crackhead* mayor, even after the video came out. They would have re-elected him, too, if he hadn't gotten diagnosed with cancer and been forced to drop out of the race. But he went ahead and ran for city council and you guys elected him in a landslide.

Toronto loved DeRozan. If you hated him, you must have moved there from Buffalo or something.


*To be fair, Ford said he wasn't a crack addict. I love his public comment: "Sure I may have tried it...in one of my drunken stupors."

[resistanze]

Oh, please. Canadians don't hate anyone.

Toronto kept its crackhead* mayor, even after the video came out. They would have re-elected him, too, if he hadn't gotten diagnosed with cancer and been forced to drop out of the race. But he went ahead and ran for city council and you guys elected him in a landslide.

Toronto loved DeRozan. If you hated him, you must have moved there from Buffalo or something.


*To be fair, Ford said he wasn't a crack addict. I love his public comment: "Sure I may have tried it...in one of my drunken stupors."

:lol Most Raptor fans are casuals who jump on any player that shows the city any bit of affection, especially after two decades of rejection from the US market.

[sasaint]

honestly, he needs to come off the bench next year

NO. He needs to be gone next year.

[hater]

Welcome to spurstalk OP

Lets not forget this is the same spurstalk that bitched about Tony Parker and idolized a cancer called Manure

[monty4329]

I could live with the fact of him not making shots if he wasn't such a lazy, whinny, no effort giving, little baby.

[monty4329]

Man All Star players don't turn to shit out of nowhere. I think something is going on in DeRozan personal life that is causing this. Not excusing this play but I bet it's something mental than him just being a scrub.

Certainly. He needs to take time off and treat this as an injury. But if he plays, then he must play like a man making 26 mil a year. No excuse.

[r0drig0lac]

probably depressed about this piece of shit roster he got traded to

fair...forbes mills marco quincy dante and gasol, that's half a roster that has no business playing minutes in a competitive team... or in some cases in the nba

[monty4329]

fair...forbes mills marco quincy dante and gasol, that's half a roster that has no business playing minutes in a competitive team... or in some cases in the nba

sure, it was them that turned DDR into a pouting crybaby who can't even hit the rim from 6 feet, you got it right

[r0drig0lac]

sure, it was them that turned DDR into a pouting crybaby who can't even hit the rim from 6 feet, you got it right

what turned Demar into what he is today was playing in a more difficult conference, it's for a coach who really demands on both sides of the court, he's not (and never was) so good, most league players are not cut of this type of cloth (be a good 2-way player), the problem is that Pop really believed that he could turn it into this and make him replace on some level the #2.

add all this to the fact that he's one of the most emotional guys on the court I've ever seen, maybe from the Demarcus Cousins level, where a wrong call and he starts making mistakes in a row, in Toronto he had a super stacked roster (in relation to the competition), his mistakes were overshadowed, in San Antonio this will not happen.

your emotional problem is something no one here knows the real reason, but I saw a kind of logic in the previous poster, I always found the front office work around Kawhi Leonard very weak, but the worst roster that Kawhi had in the two years as a franchise player was at least 2x better than the current roster.

[superbigtime]

I can't stand him.

[duncan2150]

he is bad actually, he was awesome during the first tier of the season and one of the main reason why the spurs were not bad.

it still a lot of games, he needs to react ... we'll see in two months.

[monty4329]

he is bad actually, he was awesome during the first tier of the season and one of the main reason why the spurs were not bad.

it still a lot of games, he needs to react ... we'll see in two months.

I guess he has a good chance with the long break. If he is back half-decent, then there is some hope. If not, then he will see a lot of bench, there wouldn't be any motivation for the staff to play him. He would be gone anyway summertime.

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol Most Raptor fans are casuals who jump on any player that shows the city any bit of affection, especially after two decades of rejection from the US market.


I like a mortal with a sense of humor. Do you ever do consulting? A lot of people here on ST could use a life coach. I can pay you with slaughtered bulls, or if you ever need some rain I can hook you up.

[ZeusWillJudge]

what turned Demar into what he is today was playing in a more difficult conference, it's for a coach who really demands on both sides of the court, he's not (and never was) so good, most league players are not cut of this type of cloth (be a good 2-way player), the problem is that Pop really believed that he could turn it into this and make him replace on some level the #2.

add all this to the fact that he's one of the most emotional guys on the court I've ever seen, maybe from the Demarcus Cousins level, where a wrong call and he starts making mistakes in a row, in Toronto he had a super stacked roster (in relation to the competition), his mistakes were overshadowed, in San Antonio this will not happen.

your emotional problem is something no one here knows the real reason, but I saw a kind of logic in the previous poster, I always found the front office work around Kawhi Leonard very weak, but the worst roster that Kawhi had in the two years as a franchise player was at least 2x better than the current roster.



.DeRozan is in a role he's not suited for. Forbes and Mills are both midget 2 guards. Even last night DDR had 5 assists and Forbes/Mills together only had 6. I know the NBA is supposedly "positionless" now, but on this roster that means there is no PG position because there are no PG's. Remember the Turd Towers a few years ago? Everybody cried when Diaw and David West were on the floor at the same time. And nobody talked about why, other than "they both suck". They didn't both suck. When they were on the floor together, one of them had to be the C and defend big men. And neither of them were suited to be the C and defend big men.

A couple of days ago in another thread, Ace3G said that the Spurs "play the wrong king of positionless basketball, and he's exactly right. This is what happens when you have a poorly created roster that's in Cap Space Prison. You have no flexibility to go get the right pieces, so instead you put people into positions they aren't suited for. DeRozan is the best offensive 2 guard on the team, by a wide margin. But Pop knows that he's the closest thing on the whole damn team to a PG, and that's not very close. If DDR had wanted to play PG, he would have learned what all those little X's and O's mean.

[r0drig0lac]

.DeRozan is in a role he's not suited for. Forbes and Mills are both midget 2 guards. Even last night DDR had 5 assists and Forbes/Mills together only had 6. I know the NBA is supposedly "positionless" now, but on this roster that means there is no PG position because there are no PG's. Remember the Turd Towers a few years ago? Everybody cried when Diaw and David West were on the floor at the same time. And nobody talked about why, other than "they both suck". They didn't both suck. When they were on the floor together, one of them had to be the C and defend big men. And neither of them were suited to be the C and defend big men.

A couple of days ago in another thread, Ace3G said that the Spurs "play the wrong king of positionless basketball, and he's exactly right. This is what happens when you have a poorly created roster that's in Cap Space Prison. You have no flexibility to go get the right pieces, so instead you put people into positions they aren't suited for. DeRozan is the best offensive 2 guard on the team, by a wide margin. But Pop knows that he's the closest thing on the whole damn team to a PG, and that's not very close. If DDR had wanted to play PG, he would have learned what all those little X's and O's mean.
that's why my complaints are about the front office and its "decisions" more than about a player who did not want to be here, and has to play in a different way with a worst support roster than in the previous situation

[TimmyBuckets]

DePression is pathetic.

[Rosewood]

He probably reads these threads tbh, he seems the type.

He isn't the only problem to be fair.

There is a retarded child named Bryn Forbes also sharing the floor.

[Mikeanaro]

DeMarcation hurts people.

[duncan2k5]

Oh, please. Canadians don't hate anyone.

Toronto kept its crackhead* mayor, even after the video came out. They would have re-elected him, too, if he hadn't gotten diagnosed with cancer and been forced to drop out of the race. But he went ahead and ran for city council and you guys elected him in a landslide.

Toronto loved DeRozan. If you hated him, you must have moved there from Buffalo or something.


*To be fair, Ford said he wasn't a crack addict. I love his public comment: "Sure I may have tried it...in one of my drunken stupors."

Bro... They may not hate DDR, but they're happy as fuck he is off the roster

[Seventyniner]

I guess he has a good chance with the long break. If he is back half-decent, then there is some hope. If not, then he will see a lot of bench, there wouldn't be any motivation for the staff to play him. He would be gone anyway summertime.

I wish the @TOR game had happened early on when the Spurs were sucking anyway. All of DDR's rest is going to be undone by that game. The home game vs TOR game mindfucked him bad enough.

[UnWantedTheory]

:lol How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.
Bullshit. DDR was loved in Toronto and most know that. It is Canada after all.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is from an article that BleacherReport did last year, on the five worst contracts at every position. It doesn't matter who wrote it - it's a great analysis of exactly what the problems are with DDR, especially now that he's in SA. It's exactly what I've been saying about getting him out of his comfort zone. He does one thing: he scores. Try to force him to do more, and all you get is less scoring.


DeMar DeRozan
Remaining Contract Value: Four years, $111 million

DeMar DeRozan's inclusion is bound to ruffle some feathers. He is a three-time All-Star and followed up his 2016 payday with an All-NBA bid. He even accepted less than the max to stay with the Toronto Raptors.

Should he really be penalized because his mid-range-heavy style is so divisive?
Um, yes.

Funneling superstar money into a swingman who doesn't shoot threes or move the defensive needle would usually be painted as reckless. DeRozan is different, because he's damn near perfected his niche. But that only means we're inventing nice ways of saying he verges on one-dimensional.

Yank him from his very specific comfort zone, and his value collapses in on itself. The Raptors cannot remodel their offense to include more fluid ball movement and fewer one-on-ones when he's putting down less than 35 percent of his catch-and-fire opportunities. It should scare the hell out of them that he cost the team more points on the defensive end than anyone else, according to NBA Math. And it's most definitely concerning that he cannot headline even without Kyle Lowry in the fold.

Opponents outscored the Raptors by 0.4 points per 100 possessions when DeRozan ran solo. Flip the script to Lowry playing the lone wolf, and they were a plus-10.8.
DeRozan is a quality player and fantastic scorer to say the least. This isn't an assault on what he's done, or what he's still capable of doing. Before coming to his defense, though, ask yourself this: How many teams would be willing to trade for him while sending back close to adequate value?

[Slippy]

This is from an article that BleacherReport did last year, on the five worst contracts at every position. It doesn't matter who wrote it - it's a great analysis of exactly what the problems are with DDR, especially now that he's in SA. It's exactly what I've been saying about getting him out of his comfort zone. He does one thing: he scores. Try to force him to do more, and all you get is less scoring.


DeMar DeRozan
Remaining Contract Value: Four years, $111 million

DeMar DeRozan's inclusion is bound to ruffle some feathers. He is a three-time All-Star and followed up his 2016 payday with an All-NBA bid. He even accepted less than the max to stay with the Toronto Raptors.

Should he really be penalized because his mid-range-heavy style is so divisive?
Um, yes.

Funneling superstar money into a swingman who doesn't shoot threes or move the defensive needle would usually be painted as reckless. DeRozan is different, because he's damn near perfected his niche. But that only means we're inventing nice ways of saying he verges on one-dimensional.

Yank him from his very specific comfort zone, and his value collapses in on itself. The Raptors cannot remodel their offense to include more fluid ball movement and fewer one-on-ones when he's putting down less than 35 percent of his catch-and-fire opportunities. It should scare the hell out of them that he cost the team more points on the defensive end than anyone else, according to NBA Math. And it's most definitely concerning that he cannot headline even without Kyle Lowry in the fold.

Opponents outscored the Raptors by 0.4 points per 100 possessions when DeRozan ran solo. Flip the script to Lowry playing the lone wolf, and they were a plus-10.8.
DeRozan is a quality player and fantastic scorer to say the least. This isn't an assault on what he's done, or what he's still capable of doing. Before coming to his defense, though, ask yourself this: How many teams would be willing to trade for him while sending back close to adequate value?

Wow that highlighted paragraph sums up the biggest problem facing the spurs in regards to Demars game. The FO would of known this

[UnWantedTheory]

:lol Most Raptor fans are casuals who jump on any player that shows the city any bit of affection, especially after two decades of rejection from the US market.
So did most Raptor fans hate him, or did they love him because he showed the city affection? Make up your mind.

[resistanze]

So did most Raptor fans hate him, or did they love him because he showed the city affection? Make up your mind.
He's my most hated Raptors (and Spur) of all time. What exactly needs to be made up again?

[HarlemHeat37]

So did most Raptor fans hate him, or did they love him because he showed the city affection? Make up your mind.

Raptors casual fans loved him(Raptors fans are very insecure so this was mostly due to DeRozan being the first relevant player that wanted to stay), but he was extremely polarizing with the diehard fanbase..at the end of last year's run, I'd say more wanted him gone than not(easily)..

[timtonymanu]

Raptors fans if they really looked out for their teams interest would gladly take Nephew on a one year deal and start fresh the next year without him than having to rely on Derozan for 27 mil a year for 2 more seasons.

[cd021]

Raptors fans if they really looked out for their teams interest would gladly take Nephew on a one year deal and start fresh the next year without him than having to rely on Derozan for 27 mil a year for 2 more seasons.

Probably 1 season with him opting out and looking for more money- something the Spurs will probably give him :(:(

[r2d2]

WOW, I can't believe what I am reading.


Yes I am a long time Raptor fan, watched derozan from the start. He is the hardest working Raptor ever! He is always in the gym, always working on his game. For a while, it seemed like he had no life outside of basketball. He kept improving year after year. When fans criticized him, he would be back the next season with improvement to the aspect of the game that he was criticized for. I disliked him at first, but I saw him grow every single year to the point that I could not deny that he is one hell of a player.


Something is up guys!! Something is very wrong. He started out the year like gangbusters, his assist numbers were incredible and I was shaking my head thinking there he goes again, improving another aspect of his game, Spurs got themselves a player.


...but you guys are right, checking the scores his name has not been jumping out at me the way it did when he first joined you guys.


Demar is a class act. He is an incredible person and a basketball player, but I am starting to think that he is lacking someone on your club that will have his back. With Lowry he had that, total respect, if he was down his boy would be the first to help him up.


Now as far as his D, it was a work in progress... he is talented enough to play good D, but he needs a system, he needs guys around him that are doing likewise. We did not have issues with him when we surrounded him with guys that were playing the other side of the ball, he immediately knew which gaps to fill and turned it up just as much as the rest of the squad. His last year with us was his best defensive season by eye.


I don't know what to tell you guys, this is quite the surprise... I am really shocked that you guys are bashing him this hard. If the change is hard on him, and he lacks a true bro on the team, its not going to help at all if the fans are on him. He is a damn good guy, so sad to see him going through this.


His D and O is not where it should be, he also plays through injuries, maybe he has a nagger that is taking him out of his comfort zone, but is not bad enough to complain about...

I really hope this changes after the allstar break, hope whatever it is heals, and you guys see the Derozan that I KNOW.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Raptors fans if they really looked out for their teams interest would gladly take Nephew on a one year deal and start fresh the next year without him than having to rely on Derozan for 27 mil a year for 2 more seasons.

the raptors perimeter depth on the roster is off the charts, they got so many pieces...whether they are franchise or allstar type players in t he future is unknown...

[UnWantedTheory]

He's my most hated Raptors (and Spur) of all time. What exactly needs to be made up again?You said most Raptor fans, not you.

[UnWantedTheory]

Raptors casual fans loved him(Raptors fans are very insecure so this was mostly due to DeRozan being the first relevant player that wanted to stay), but he was extremely polarizing with the diehard fanbase..at the end of last year's run, I'd say more wanted him gone than not(easily)..I always got the feeling he was loved there. I imagine some fans were pissed off at him, as he is mentally weak at times, but I highly doubt most wanted him gone that badly. That is just typical of any player as no one is universally loved. Either way, so long as Kawhi stays, I am sure they will be happy with the trade off. My point is just because he is sucking it up right now, doesn't mean we need to exaggerate things.

[r2d2]

That's BS, He is one of the most LOVED Raptors of all time, the homecoming will prove it.

Yah there are guys that were nagging on DD's game, but we have a huge online community and lots of basement dwellers that don't see the light of day. There are guys there now that are shitting all over Khawai and were asking for the team to be blown up! They could not see the sense of waiting one year and seeing what Khawai can potentially do for us in the playoffs, they were calling for moving the guy for assets! As if there are idiots as stupid as them out there that will give you even more young talent for a 3 month rental. We are talking stupid to an exponential degree. If you ever want to study insanity online, the realgm Raptor forum is a perfect destination, we have a whole breed of crazy on that forum... guys not happy with anything. You are talking about a fan base that was convinced that Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, there are some that still think it was coaching that ruined him. There are folks on the forum that have a hard time understanding that M Gasol is a huge upgrade to Jonas Valanciunas, who is a good player as long as you manage his minutes, but by no means is he on the level of M. Gasol. Low IQ, slow, and can't catch a no look pass to save his life. Put a double team on him, and he coughs up the ball and commits a foul. On that forum there will always be a minority that will hate no matter who you put in front of them Carter was shit, Bosh was shit but Garbajosa was the greatest ever!(the euro love is strong there too, they thought Rubio was a #1 pick and half the forum wanted to tank for him.) ...and the James Johnson love, one of the biggest off court distractions in the NBA, just a waste of talent on a low IQ dufus who all the teen posters admire because of his bravado.


No Demar is very loved in Toronto, he is Royalty down there. It didn't start that way, he earned all of it through hard work and dedication. He was one of the players that folks wanted to trade for a long long time, but he just kept improving and improving to the point that NO ONE EXPECTED HIM TO BE TRADED. If Masai did not got a former fianls MVP he would of been pitchforked out of Toronto for sure.


Now for Demar's defense, guys he is a shooting guard. Shooting guards in this league do not play defense. It's not a defensive position. You can't lock down a Curry, or a Harden, or a Beal... these guys will always get theirs. I don't think there is a shooting guard out there that is known as a stopper. If you focus too much on stoppage, you end up loosing 20 points in the differential. Compared to Curry and Harden, Demar can play defense better than both of them, but as I said, he needs to be in a system where the other 4 guys know their role as well. He will only try as hard as other 4 guys otherwise you are just wasting your time. Having your shooting guard running around like a mad man trying to stop every shot on the floor is folly. It's a waste of the position. It will never work, the D needs to come from the other positions because SG are notorious for creating their own shots, they are the BEST AT IT from anyone on the floor. If your D sucks, blaming your shooting guard is not the answer. This is not a HIGH IMPACT Defensive position. If you have him running around like a dog out there chasing a bone to stop people, you will not get your 25pts on the other end, The D has to come from the other positions, especially a good PG that will pressure the hell out of his opposite, like we have in Lowry. The SG is the least effective defensive position. Look at the top 10 shooting guards out there, defense is not what they are known for. So blaming Derozan for your teams Defensive woes is a little silly because who are you going to plug in there that wont cost you 25pts?

Don't get me wrong, I see that Demar is slumping, and I agree he can do much better. Something is definitely up, and I hope its a nagging injury that will go away with this all-star break.

That said, he is much better than what you guys are judging him by in this slump.

[r2d2]

BTW, Demar would have had 20 this all-star game in the same minutes, Aldridge looked like crap out there. Hurts my heart not to see him make the All-Star team, there are guys out there that are no where near his talent level. He is a top 3 shooting guard in the league.

[slick'81]

BTW, Demar would have had 20 this all-star game in the same minutes, Aldridge looked like crap out there. Hurts my heart not to see him make the All-Star team, there are guys out there that are no where near his talent level. He is a top 3 shooting guard in the league.



:lmao

[monty4329]

BTW, Demar would have had 20 this all-star game in the same minutes, Aldridge looked like crap out there. Hurts my heart not to see him make the All-Star team, there are guys out there that are no where near his talent level. He is a top 3 shooting guard in the league.

What?

is that you, DDR?

[r0drig0lac]

That's BS, He is one of the most LOVED Raptors of all time, the homecoming will prove it.

Yah there are guys that were nagging on DD's game, but we have a huge online community and lots of basement dwellers that don't see the light of day. There are guys there now that are shitting all over Khawai and were asking for the team to be blown up! They could not see the sense of waiting one year and seeing what Khawai can potentially do for us in the playoffs, they were calling for moving the guy for assets! As if there are idiots as stupid as them out there that will give you even more young talent for a 3 month rental. We are talking stupid to an exponential degree. If you ever want to study insanity online, the realgm Raptor forum is a perfect destination, we have a whole breed of crazy on that forum... guys not happy with anything. You are talking about a fan base that was convinced that Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, there are some that still think it was coaching that ruined him. There are folks on the forum that have a hard time understanding that M Gasol is a huge upgrade to Jonas Valanciunas, who is a good player as long as you manage his minutes, but by no means is he on the level of M. Gasol. Low IQ, slow, and can't catch a no look pass to save his life. Put a double team on him, and he coughs up the ball and commits a foul. On that forum there will always be a minority that will hate no matter who you put in front of them Carter was shit, Bosh was shit but Garbajosa was the greatest ever!(the euro love is strong there too, they thought Rubio was a #1 pick and half the forum wanted to tank for him.) ...and the James Johnson love, one of the biggest off court distractions in the NBA, just a waste of talent on a low IQ dufus who all the teen posters admire because of his bravado.


No Demar is very loved in Toronto, he is Royalty down there. It didn't start that way, he earned all of it through hard work and dedication. He was one of the players that folks wanted to trade for a long long time, but he just kept improving and improving to the point that NO ONE EXPECTED HIM TO BE TRADED. If Masai did not got a former fianls MVP he would of been pitchforked out of Toronto for sure.


Now for Demar's defense, guys he is a shooting guard. Shooting guards in this league do not play defense. It's not a defensive position. You can't lock down a Curry, or a Harden, or a Beal... these guys will always get theirs. I don't think there is a shooting guard out there that is known as a stopper. If you focus too much on stoppage, you end up loosing 20 points in the differential. Compared to Curry and Harden, Demar can play defense better than both of them, but as I said, he needs to be in a system where the other 4 guys know their role as well. He will only try as hard as other 4 guys otherwise you are just wasting your time. Having your shooting guard running around like a mad man trying to stop every shot on the floor is folly. It's a waste of the position. It will never work, the D needs to come from the other positions because SG are notorious for creating their own shots, they are the BEST AT IT from anyone on the floor. If your D sucks, blaming your shooting guard is not the answer. This is not a HIGH IMPACT Defensive position. If you have him running around like a dog out there chasing a bone to stop people, you will not get your 25pts on the other end, The D has to come from the other positions, especially a good PG that will pressure the hell out of his opposite, like we have in Lowry. The SG is the least effective defensive position. Look at the top 10 shooting guards out there, defense is not what they are known for. So blaming Derozan for your teams Defensive woes is a little silly because who are you going to plug in there that wont cost you 25pts?

Don't get me wrong, I see that Demar is slumping, and I agree he can do much better. Something is definitely up, and I hope its a nagging injury that will go away with this all-star break.

That said, he is much better than what you guys are judging him by in this slump.
c'mon Demar, go to the gym son.

[Slippy]

Raptor fans care about the allstar game as much as Demar. Lol

Didnt wait for Lamarcus to show, I gave up watching 7min into the first . The dunk and 3point contest were much more entertaining.

[hoyt]

I agree, even Kawhi (who at his peak is one of the 2-way best players on the perimeter of all time), needed a much better roster than the current one to make noise in a worse west than the current, Demar is not close to that level, so he needs a much better support roster (again a PAFTO failure imo), his weaknesses that had not been shown earlier in the season are appearing now, he clearly has focus problem and tendency to tunnel vision (even worse than Kawhi for not being so good iso player), still believe that he can work working the pick and roll like Harden, Oladipo, etc, or throwing away the ball in cuts, but he needs to stop with his post game, in addition to not be efficient, he is not good enough passer to do this and not completely change the offensive

thing is Demar is a support roster level player himself. and a flawed one dimensional support player at that.

really, his best role is probably as an instant-offense 6th man off the bench. though even with those guys you'd want them to be able to hit the 3.

as a no-defense and flawed-offense player, he really isn't a guy you want playing starter's minutes for your team.

[bklynspursfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puERfcHhAvo

[timtonymanu]

Playoff Demar doing what he does best

[Genovaswitness]

biggest faggot in spurs history. worse than RJ. all
he had to do was advance the ball

[Gibbz]

He is such a fucking loser.

[Robz4000]

One of the biggest cancers in the league.

[GAustex]

That was a serious lack of situational awareness
DDR unable to make a winning play
Got to question his intelligence

[TimDunkem]

No it isn't. He is a choker.

[mexicanjunior]

He belongs in the G-League...eff him...

[urunobili]

Better to have the blunder now vs in the playoffs if we make it to them?

[ulosturedge]

This dude. Just admit you made a shitty basketball decision at the end. Getting tired of him playing the victim card. You fucked up plain and simple. Own up to it and move on. He's too focused on drama'ing up fouls. Call or no call keep playing and focus on the game.

[timtonymanu]

Better to have the blunder now vs in the playoffs if we make it to them?

Lol people still believing this isn’t the norm for him and this system is gonna magically change that.

[gameFACE]

Definition of insanity - putting the ball in Demar's hands in the clutch expecting a different result.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Never seen a softer player, Maybe Richard Jefferson?

[baseline bum]

Is there anyone who didn't think he was blowing the game when he grabbed that ball and half tried to call timeout? Still, doesn't he usually wait until the playoffs start to be a choking pos?

[marinoman]

Most players would use this failure as fire and motivation, DeMar is gonna go into the fetel position. This might be his last good game (til the last minute) of the season for him

[Dancelot]

Trade this fuckwad back to Toronto once the Nephew leaves them in the off-season.

[marinoman]

The opposite of my sig just happened. Well actually Demar was watching from the ground

[Pavlov]

lol ST

[timtonymanu]

^ lol semen shielder. Let’s keep ignoring facts though.

[Pavlov]

^ lol semen shielder. Let’s keep ignoring facts though.:lolFacts never mattered to ST.

[heyheymymy]

Toronto fucking robbed us

[GreekSpursfan]

Toronto fucking robbed us

Toronto didn't rob us, NBA and the Lakers did. Toronto can't rob shit, they are irrelevant. It is pretty obvious what is going to happen next. Think big picture.

[Genovaswitness]

Toronto didn't rob us, NBA and the Lakers did. Toronto can't rob shit, they are irrelevant. It is pretty obvious what is going to happen next. Think big picture.
derozan having another depression attack?

[therealtruth]

DDR rounding off into playoff form.

[GreekSpursfan]

derozan having another depression attack?

People are talking about it ad nauseam, i'm talking about the specific call against us that also decided the game, wouldn't you say?

[Genovaswitness]

People are talking about it ad nauseam, i'm talking about the specific call against us that also decided the game, wouldn't you say?
Can’t really gripe about calls when running out the clock wins the game

[gambit1990]

hey ddr, drop some shrooms and/or acid to help you get over your mental blockage.

[Mikeanaro]

DeFag should see Dr Phil.

[monty4329]

Another eunuchian last minute from the worse crybaby ever. Why the fuck Pop gives him the ball to close games?

[Andreas68]

I would never give him 26million Dollar each year!!

[heyheymymy]

Toronto definitely took advantage knowing we had to get rid of Leonard. Keeping Pascal was twisting the dagger

[ceperez]

Raptors knew what kind of player they were unloading and the Spurs had no choice but to unload Leonard. Heck, Spurs even threw in Danny Green!

DeRozan is talented, but his problem is mental. He shouldn't be the Spurs closer. Maybe that should be reserved for Gay.

[GreekSpursfan]

Can’t really gripe about calls when running out the clock wins the game

You most certainly can gripe about calls that decide the game. Just because one of your guys choked(he was the primary reason we were in it to begin with) doesn't mean you forget the rest of the game, the game still plays, it didn't stop there.

[spursistan]

That last play was a proof you can't teach IQ :lol..

eh..Grateful for having witnessed TD/Manu/TP bring home that type of game for 15+ years, tbh. We are due few Derozans, it seems..

[Hoops Czar]

Raptors knew what kind of player they were unloading and the Spurs had no choice but to unload Leonard. Heck, Spurs even threw in Danny Green!

DeRozan is talented, but his problem is mental. He shouldn't be the Spurs closer. Maybe that should be reserved for Gay.

The Spurs knew exactly whgat they were getting with DeRozan and NO, they didn't have to make that trade.

[boutons_deux]

where was White during the DDR-stripped-by-KL play?

[TimDunkem]

https://i.imgur.com/nRtmFv6.jpg

[Slippy]

https://i.imgur.com/nRtmFv6.jpg

DDR with the gift in last 30secs of game to make sure his fine as hell ex wouldn't forget him.

[Slippy]

where was White during the DDR-stripped-by-KL play?

Pretty sure he was on bench. Think pop was limiting his mins throug-out the whole game being first game back.

[gambit1990]

https://i.ibb.co/CKFcZMB/Screen-Shot-2019-02-24-at-3-09-57-AM.png

[JeffDuncan]

where was White during the DDR-stripped-by-KL play?

More to the point, where was Mills?

[monty4329]

More to the point, where was Mills?

Where Pop told him to be. It is Pop mistake to play a crubaby eunuch in the last minutes of the games, and on the top of it to let him (well, "him"...) have the ball and the last shot.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Can we bash DeRozan now? Or is it still pathetic to do so?

[ceperez]

Where Pop told him to be. It is Pop mistake to play a crubaby eunuch in the last minutes of the games, and on the top of it to let him (well, "him"...) have the ball and the last shot.

Where was Gay? He wasn't even on the court!

[monty4329]

Where was Gay? He wasn't even on the court!

The game was won, so it worked not playing Gay the last couple minutes (and I guess he wasn't physically 100%). For the last shot he was redundant, as Pop always gives the last shot to DDR -as dumb and idiotic a choice as this is, there is no need for anybody else in Pop's mind. Just dribble and shoot, apparently repeated turnovers and shots not even reaching the rim can't make Pop see the truth.

[gambit1990]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

[monty4329]

Another stellar performance from DDR, the best Rockets player on the floor.

[WallyTiger]

DeRozan pathetic depression

[monty4329]

Another eunuchian last minute from the worse crybaby ever. Why the fuck Pop gives him the ball to close games?


Another stellar performance from DDR, the best Rockets player on the floor.

I hate quoting myself, but Jesus....it is the same story over and over....STOP GIVING HIM THE BALL, is that difficult to understand?

[TimmyBuckets]

DePression with clutch pass. Thank u for not shooting a fadeway midshitter.

[monty4329]

DePression with clutch pass. Thank u for not shooting a fadeway midshitter.

it was't a clutch pass. It was an easy pass following a run of the mill screen. Basic basketball. It took only 75 games....

[Coach X]

He has played very well lately. Not worried at all about his performance in the final actions, overall he has made good decisions.

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1110746461266939905

[SwansonInSibagat]

it was't a clutch pass. It was an easy pass following a run of the mill screen. Basic basketball. It took only 75 games....

Dear Lord, did DeRozan hit your mom or something?

[monty4329]

Dear Lord, did DeRozan hit your mom or something?

You misunderstand...I greatly appreciate simple basketball. it is beautiful and effective. Glad Pop called for that instead of what proved to be an inefficient, loss-making strategy for the time it took to play 75 games.

I love DDR whan he plays simple, amplifies his strenghts and hides his weaknesses.

[R. DeMurre]

He has played very well lately. Not worried at all about his performance in the final actions, overall he has made good decisions.

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1110746461266939905


Who would've guessed Fournier is the most clutch out of that group?? Tiny sample size, but still interesting. I really like Orlando's progress this year-- they've been fun to watch. If they lose Vucevic this summer though, it's pretty much straight back to the drawing board. His improvement as a player the last two years is one of the most impressive mid-career jumps I've ever seen.