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Thomas82
02-12-2019, 09:00 AM
In doing some research, I came across some a few people (fans and media) that said TD's best defensive season was 2000-01. They said that it was the year he most deserved to win the DPOY. The Spurs did have the best defensive rating that year, he led the league in DWS, and was near the top in just about every other defensive category. I think David Robinson still being a great defender took some DPOY votes away from him.

I personally think the 2003-04 season was his best year on defense. With so many players retiring and changing teams, with the biggest change being Rasho Nesterovic next to TD instead of The Admiral, the Spurs still improved by 4.9 points on defense.......a championship defense. They had the highest D rating relative to the rest of the league (8.8 better than league average) since the 60's Celtics. All of this with TD anchoring that unit, IMO, makes it his best year on that end of the floor.

Which season do you think was Tim Duncan's best defensive season?

Play Boban
02-12-2019, 09:46 AM
The good 'ole handchecking era. No more. :cry

sananspursfan21
02-12-2019, 09:50 AM
What a time to be alive that was

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 10:55 AM
What a time to be alive that was

The absolute best time to be a Spurs fan.

TDomination
02-12-2019, 11:49 AM
Statistically I'm not sure but I do remember the early 2000 squads were amazing defensively. We just had nobody to score outside of Duncan and drob until parker and Manu showed up.

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 11:54 AM
Statistically I'm not sure but I do remember the early 2000 squads were amazing defensively. We just had nobody to score outside of Duncan and drob until parker and Manu showed up.

Yeah, that's the way it was from 2000-04.

boutons_deux
02-12-2019, 12:43 PM
2000-2007 was probably the peak of the BigThree's Golden Age. But '13-'14, they were right there, too.

stnick2261
02-12-2019, 12:45 PM
I loved when Rasho was on the team. He didn't block shots, but people had to alter their shot around him (leading to missed shots). He didn't rebound every ball, but he blocked out so a teammate could rebound. When the other big men were injured, he stepped up and played aggressive on offense... but otherwise he took a back seat on that end and deferred too much.

That being said... the early twin towers was beautiful to watch. The guards would funnel their player to the baseline where Duncan / Robinson were waiting.

Duncan's more valuable defensive years had to be after Robinson retired and he had to take a larger role (Like Nazr Mohammed '05 championship)

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 01:14 PM
Hard to say he was ever better than 2003, when he capped off the 2003 NBA finals with a quadruple double.

That was his best all around season, but I believe he was a little better defensively the next year.

Leetonidas
02-12-2019, 01:49 PM
Maybe 04? Don't spurs have the record for lowest OPPG in a season that year?

dbreiden83080
02-12-2019, 02:12 PM
And never won DPOY for some reason..

TDMVPDPOY
02-12-2019, 03:42 PM
the year fkn camby won dpoy

also the year fkn marc gasol won dpoy

those are the years i think td got robbed, hence each season the catergories selection changes

spurraider21
02-12-2019, 04:03 PM
the year fkn camby won dpoy

also the year fkn marc gasol won dpoy

those are the years i think td got robbed, hence each season the catergories selection changes
i think the camby one is a definite. gasol was very strong on advanced stats that year, iirc. and duncan's pick and roll defense had already declined quite a bit by then, though he was still an elite post defender and rim protector, probably better than gasol in either of those categories

Arcadian
02-12-2019, 05:09 PM
:lol Marcus Camby winning DPoY...fuck off!

TDMVPDPOY
02-12-2019, 05:11 PM
i think the camby one is a definite. gasol was very strong on advanced stats that year, iirc. and duncan's pick and roll defense had already declined quite a bit by then, though he was still an elite post defender and rim protector, probably better than gasol in either of those categories

the season 04/05 after the 03/04 melly at the palace where bigben was suspended, artest out for the season... dunno who won it that year, but td got robbed 04/05 season.... his 2 main competitors for that award were out, yet i think bigben still won it?

spurraider21
02-12-2019, 05:52 PM
the season 04/05 after the 03/04 melly at the palace where bigben was suspended, artest out for the season... dunno who won it that year, but td got robbed 04/05 season.... his 2 main competitors for that award were out, yet i think bigben still won it?
ben wallace won that year and he was only suspended 6 games

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 08:18 PM
Maybe 04? Don't spurs have the record for lowest OPPG in a season that year?

Yes they do.

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 08:19 PM
Depends. If you're talking about meaningless games in November and December, then yes, maybe. When the games mattered, I don't see any season being better than 2003. In fact, I see Duncan winning a ring with that squad as the greatest accomplishment in NBA history, considering he had to go through the Shaq/Kobe 3-peat Lakers to do it with nobody on his team even sniffing the all-star game.

No argument from me on this post.

YGWHI
02-12-2019, 08:25 PM
the year fkn camby won dpoy

also the year fkn marc gasol won dpoy

those are the years i think td got robbed, hence each season the catergories selection changes

Tim got robed. No doubt.

I just would say that Marc in his prime was a way better defender than Camby. Wallace, too.

TDMVPDPOY
02-12-2019, 08:31 PM
not winning 1 or 2 dpoy, doesnt hurt td overall top10 ranking?

Thomas82
02-12-2019, 08:32 PM
The most mind-blowing thing about TD never winning a DPOY is that he never even finished 2nd in voting. The best he could manage was 3rd place twice, 2001 and 2007.

Millennial_Messiah
02-13-2019, 10:21 AM
I loved when Rasho was on the team. He didn't block shots, but people had to alter their shot around him (leading to missed shots). He didn't rebound every ball, but he blocked out so a teammate could rebound. When the other big men were injured, he stepped up and played aggressive on offense... but otherwise he took a back seat on that end and deferred too much.

That being said... the early twin towers was beautiful to watch. The guards would funnel their player to the baseline where Duncan / Robinson were waiting.

Duncan's more valuable defensive years had to be after Robinson retired and he had to take a larger role (Like Nazr Mohammed '05 championship)
Nazr in his prime on the Spurs and Pistons was a damn good interior defender. A complete steal trading away the first incarnation of DeJuan Blair for him. Spurs don't win the 'ship in '05 without him.

But then Poop got stupid against the Mavs in '06 by benching him for smallball, so he bolted. I don't blame him.

YGWHI
02-13-2019, 09:46 PM
THE FUCK??? Marc Gasol was a better defender than Ben Wallace??????????
No. I meant prime Gasol was better than Camby."Wallace, too" =Wallace was way better than Camby.

Thomas82
02-15-2019, 08:37 AM
A genuine case could have been made for TD to win DPOY every year of his prime, but IMO the years he was most deserving were 2004, 2007, and 2013.

TDMVPDPOY
02-15-2019, 08:43 AM
the years where the spurs won championships, he shouldve won dpoy them years... he fkn exposed all those winners in the playoffs

Thomas82
02-15-2019, 08:45 AM
the years where the spurs won championships, he shouldve won dpoy them years... he fkn exposed all those winners in the playoffs

Truth!!

cd021
02-15-2019, 02:06 PM
2000-2007 was probably the peak of the BigThree's Golden Age. But '13-'14, they were right there, too.

Duncan fucking got robbed in 13-14. Unbelievable, Marc Gasol? Really?

Thomas82
02-15-2019, 03:28 PM
Duncan fucking got robbed in 13-14. Unbelievable, Marc Gasol? Really?

I thought Gasol won it for 2012-13.

cd021
02-15-2019, 05:10 PM
I thought Gasol won it for 2012-13.
Got my years mixed up, it was 12-13 when Duncan got robbed, tbh.

Thomas82
02-15-2019, 09:21 PM
Got my years mixed up, it was 12-13 when Duncan got robbed, tbh.

I also thought he got robbed in 2003-04 and 2006-07.

skin27
02-15-2019, 10:33 PM
People forget how good Bowen is at the defensive end..that guy deserves dpoy too..Bowen also finished 2nd in voting in 2005 behind Wallace..

TDMVPDPOY
02-16-2019, 12:08 AM
couldnt defend himself from a cholo stealing his millions

couldnt defend being made a cuck

couldnt defend his accountant stealing his millions

umm u think he deserves dpoy? too bad he couldnt anchor a defense for his personal life

skin27
02-16-2019, 12:16 AM
couldnt defend himself from a cholo stealing his millions

couldnt defend being made a cuck

couldnt defend his accountant stealing his millions

umm u think he deserves dpoy? too bad he couldnt anchor a defense for his personal life


were talking about basketball..not personal life

MI21
02-16-2019, 12:53 AM
One of TD's last few seasons, I'm thinking 13/14, he had 3 or 4 game winning DEFENSIVE plays as well, those things should really count. He was consistently winning games based purely on his individual defense.

TDMVPDPOY
02-16-2019, 09:12 AM
whoever won in 04/05 is a fkn joke

if it was ben wallace, then wtf was he in the finals? duncan still manage his 20/10 for that series on both wallaces