The GOAT of each sport

[Socialist Boogeyman]

First the undisputed GOATs

Boxing: Muhammad Ali
Hockey: Wayne Gretzky
Football: Tom Brady
F1: Ayrton Senna

Now the disputed GOATs (and their challengers)

Golf: Jack Nicklaus (Tiger Woods)
Basketball: Michael Jordan (LeBron James, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)
Baseball: Babe Ruth (Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, Ted Williams)
Tennis: Roger Federer (Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Bjorn Borg)
Soccer: Leo Messi (Cristiano Ronaldo, Pele, Prince Fielder)
NASCAR: who cares
esports: Ninja (summit1g, seagull)

Any names or sports I missed?

[FrostKing]

The only undisputed is Jordan and Gretzky.

NFL is more likely Jerry Rice or Jim Brown. Maybe even a defender like Ronnie Lott, Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor.

Barry doesn't belong on this list even pre Roids. I'd put Mike Schmidt ahead of him for example


And major LMFAO @ Lebron being anywhere near such a list

[Bynumite]

Midget's not the GOAT, not even the GOAT argentinian player which you left off the list :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

soccer i take ronaldinho...he had a good peak..ucl, wc, laliga...didnt he had a good 2-3yr run with barca? yet he didnt even win all 3 ballon?

[RC_Drunkford]

a Wizards fan trying to tell people who the GOAT is :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

I do agree that QBs are overrated, and Brady is the GOAT QB but not necessarily the GOAT of the NFL. Guys like Jerry Rice, Megatron (if his career was longer) and LT were far more talented. Brady has been a pocket statue since he came into the league, but he's smart at getting the ball out and not taking sacks, and he's had the luxury of having the GOAT NFL head coach ever, maybe in sports. Also he's had some of the smartest, best route running receivers like Welker, Edelman and Amendola, plus world dominators like Gronk and Moss.

[D-Wade]

Tennis: Roger Federer/Serena Williams (Nadal). Djoker will never be on this list. I doubt he catches Federer, but part of tennis also about image and how you carry yourself. Djoker keeps racking them up with Nadal declining and Federer old but overachieving. But it doesn't matter because he's got even less popularity than James Harden.

[BD24]

The only truely undisputed goat is Gretzky tbh

lol at Frost King taking Mike fucking Schmidt over Barry

[Will Hunting]

Midget's not the GOAT
Agreed, Prince Fielder is.

If it’s not Fielder then it’s that Brazilian player who performed a double handjob on his teammates in the showers after their game.

[FrostKing]

The only truely undisputed goat is Gretzky tbh

lol at Frost King taking Mike fucking Schmidt over Barry
It is close with Schmidt Pre-Barry Roids. I'd take the greatest 3rd Baseman over one of the best OFs. Leftfield is the lowest tier OF position too.


Griffey vs Bonds - Best 9 seasons. Barry was a bit of a late bloomer so it's 20 year old Ken vs 25 year old Barry
BA: .302 vs .305
OPS: .965 vs 1.038
Hits: 1622 vs 1385
HRs: 382 vs 327
RBIs: 1091 vs 993
SBs: 151 vs 328

Defense: Griffey


Pretty close overall. In 1999, basically the season before Barry started roiding Griffey was considered the superior player. Barry an aging playoff choker with reputation of being a poor teammate

[lefty]

:lol thinking baseball is a sport

[GAustex]

Nicklaus is the GOAT
Tiger had it all there but that nasty stank (and injuries) took it away

[FrostKing]

UFC: Gracie, Silva and St.Pierre

[Canyonero]

Polo: Adolfo Cambiasso

[Dirks_Finale]

Boxing: Muhammad Ali
Hockey: Wayne Gretzky
Football: Jerry Rice
Basketball: M.Jordan


Now the disputed GOATs (and their challengers)


Baseball: Babe Ruth (Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, Ted Williams)

[140]

:lol thinking baseball is a sport
:lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

Tennis: Roger Federer/Serena Williams (Nadal). Djoker will never be on this list. I doubt he catches Federer, but part of tennis also about image and how you carry yourself. Djoker keeps racking them up with Nadal declining and Federer old but overachieving. But it doesn't matter because he's got even less popularity than James Harden.

joker last 1-2yrs during his prime didnt win shit for some reason, mustve been dealing with personal shit like divorce?...he wasnt injured or anything

[Dirks_Finale]

Those guys are so protected now you cant breathe in their direction without a 15 yard penalty. That's why Brady can play until he is 75.

Color me not impressed.

.
:lmao @ Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, etc

It takes waaaaaaay more skill to play QB than any other position.

[horseshue]

But how about cricket, figure skating and skeleton. And water polo?

[Mason Joiner]

Flag Football: Larry Joiner

[DAF86]

NBA: Jordan
Tennis: Federer
Soccer: Messi
NFL: Belichick

[rascal]

:lmao @ Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, etc

It takes waaaaaaay more skill to play QB than any other position.

QB is the most valuable position in football.

[TarantinoRezDog]

yeah, qb is the only position in football that requires a learning curve and all around skill set. You can get away with just raw athleticism in every other position aside from kicker. And kickers are actually the 2nd most important position :lol

[TarantinoRezDog]

Agreed, Prince Fielder is.

If it’s not Fielder then it’s that Brazilian player who performed a double handjob on his teammates in the showers after their game.

:lol faster than that gay looking Mexican soccer player.

[BD24]

Flag Football: Larry Joiner
I have heard stories of your dads flag football greatness tbh.

Has he told you the stories about Olangpo tbh?

[Spurtacular]

:lol "Caring" about F1 and not Nascar.
:lol Pick a lane, mono.

[Spurtacular]

Midget's not the GOAT, not even the GOAT argentinian player which you left off the list :lol

Multi-dimensional player > One-dimensional player

And it's not close. Maradonn wouldn't dribble through today's superior players like he did in the day. Sorry.

[lefty]

NBA: Jordan
Tennis: Federer
Soccer: Messi
NFL: Belichick
Very original tbh

[Silver&Black]

:lol Esports

Hell stickball and povertyball are more "sports" than sitting in front of a monitor playing a video game.

[Silver&Black]

NFL: Belichick

Scale 1-10. How salty were you that Brady won again and cemented himself as the GOAT? I'm gonna guess at least a 9.

[D-Wade]

joker last 1-2yrs during his prime didnt win shit for some reason, mustve been dealing with personal shit like divorce?...he wasnt injured or anything

Yeah, it was definitely something personal. He was out there beating himself. When he's on, he should win 3/4 every year with Nadal only having an advantage on clay at this point.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yeah, it was definitely something personal. He was out there beating himself. When he's on, he should win 3/4 every year with Nadal only having an advantage on clay at this point.

the debate between roger, joker, nadal is not over who is really number 1... all 3 their primes coincide in t he same time line with each other, but each one had a grandslam or surface they dont win on...

[Down Under]

Floyd has the biggest gap between anyone in any sport IMO. Watching him 20 years & I can probably count the number of rounds he clearly lost on one hand.

[DAF86]

Scale 1-10. How salty were you that Brady won again and cemented himself as the GOAT? I'm gonna guess at least a 9.

You seem to care way too much about what I think regarding this subject, tbh. :lol

[BD24]

Floyd has the biggest gap between anyone in any sport IMO. Watching him 20 years & I can probably count the number of rounds he clearly lost on one hand.
Gretzky does.

If you say Floyd is greatest, people will have others to argue.

Gretzky on the other hand is far and away above anyone. You will very rarely get anyone trying to argue he isn't the goat.

[Silver&Black]

You seem to care way too much about what I think regarding this subject, tbh. :lol

:lol I'm sorry for having sports debates on a sports forum.

What was it again???....Brady can't be the GOAT because he was drafted in the 6th Round? Fucking moron.

[Bynumite]

Multi-dimensional player > One-dimensional player

And it's not close. Maradonn wouldn't dribble through today's superior players like he did in the day. Sorry.

Consistently showing up against the best teams in the world>>>>>>>Putting on dribbling shows against the Gironas and Getafes of the world.

Midget is the GOAT of performing against middle of the table la liga teams. Against the elite he's too inconsistent and far from GOAT status.

[TDMVPDPOY]

has messi won anything since xavi and iniesta packed their bags and taken their talents to the gulf?

[Bynumite]

NBA: Jordan
Tennis: Federer
Soccer: Messi
NFL: Belichick

What year is this, 2012? :lol

Imagine still thinking midget is the GOAT in 2019 after countless choke jobs and little to no international hardware this decade.

[FrostKing]

yeah, qb is the only position in football that requires a learning curve and all around skill set. You can get away with just raw athleticism in every other position aside from kicker. And kickers are actually the 2nd most important position :lol
Offensive lineman underrated. That is why so many are White and come from small schools. You need to be coordinated, calm under fire and relatively smart (compared to other Football players) to comprehend the blitz packages/zone blocking schemes

[FrostKing]

Floyd has the biggest gap between anyone in any sport IMO. Watching him 20 years & I can probably count the number of rounds he clearly lost on one hand.
Also number of knockouts on one hand?

[james evans]

The goat in boxing is either SRR or Hank Armstrong. The REAL boxing fans know this. Ali is the greatest hw of all time but not the greatest fighter

[james evans]

Floyd has the biggest gap between anyone in any sport IMO. Watching him 20 years & I can probably count the number of rounds he clearly lost on one hand.
Floyd ain’t better than SRR or Armstrong either. Floyd isn’t even a top 10 fighter of all time lol. Boxing didn’t start in 96. We are in the era of 18 weight classes, 4 belts per weight class(along with interim belts and the WBA bullshit it’s actually 9 belts per) and fighters fighting twice a year. It is impossible for any current fighter to be considered the goat.

[DAF86]

:lol I'm sorry for having sports debates on a sports forum.

What was it again???....Brady can't be the GOAT because he was drafted in the 6th Round? Fucking moron.

I have said what I think many times and you still can't get it. Who's the fucking moron, tbh? :lol

[Mitch]

The goat in boxing is either SRR or Hank Armstrong. The REAL boxing fans know this. Ali is the greatest hw of all time but not the greatest fighter

Real boxing fans don't call a boxer the GOAT of all boxing :lol

There's too much variety in boxing to just call someone the GOAT. You could ask who was the GOAT defensive boxer and you'll get some retard shouting Willie Pep, but objectively it's between Floyd and Whitaker. Then GOATs in outside boxing, inside, heavyweight, middle, feather, sluggers, brawlers, etc etc etc

Just casual fans shout out something like "X is the GOAT of all boxing"

[Bynumite]

has messi won anything since xavi and iniesta packed their bags and taken their talents to the gulf?

This tbh.

The only reason midget won as much as he did early in his career, was because he was playing next to the best midfield in the history of the sport (Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Deco). Even a choker like midget couldn't mess that up. Since they left/retired, Barca has never been the same on the international stage.

[Will Hunting]

:lol I'm sorry for having sports debates on a sports forum.

What was it again???....Brady can't be the GOAT because he was drafted in the 6th Round? Fucking moron.
Something about how Brady being a 6th round pick means that in the completely hypothetical scenario where he was drafted by another team and where his dog's asshole got struck by lightning he wouldn't have made it into the NFL.

[Sean Cagney]

Also number of knockouts on one hand?

Probably lol.

[jsandiego]

NFL: Brady (Jerry Rice)
NBA: Jordan (Timmy/Kareem/LeBron)
MLB: Barry Bonds (Babe Ruth/Ted Williams)
Coach: Pop (Beli, Phil, Red?)
NHL: Gretzky
Tennis: Serena
Golf: Jack (Tiger/Arnie)
Arm Wrestling: Sylvester Stallone
Baseketball: Tre Parker & Matt Stone

[Down Under]

Real boxing fans don't call a boxer the GOAT of all boxing :lol

There's too much variety in boxing to just call someone the GOAT. You could ask who was the GOAT defensive boxer and you'll get some retard shouting Willie Pep, but objectively it's between Floyd and Whitaker. Then GOATs in outside boxing, inside, heavyweight, middle, feather, sluggers, brawlers, etc etc etc

Just casual fans shout out something like "X is the GOAT of all boxing"
I get the difference in styles, but to me a fighter who has dominated the sport like no other over a longer period than any other surely has to be there.

[spurraider21]

:lol "Caring" about F1 and not Nascar.
:lol Pick a lane, mono.
:cry muh left turns

[Mitch]

NFL: Brady (Jerry Rice)
NBA: Jordan (Timmy/Kareem/LeBron)
MLB: Barry Bonds (Babe Ruth/Ted Williams)
Coach: Pop (Beli, Phil, Red?)
NHL: Gretzky
Tennis: Serena
Golf: Jack (Tiger/Arnie)
Arm Wrestling: Sylvester Stallone
Baseketball: Tre Parker & Matt Stone

Nice parody list :lol

Beli < Poop? Funny shit

[Chucho]

First the undisputed GOATs

Boxing: Mike Tyson (Ali)


Are you serious? That's even worse than calling Floyd GOAT.

[Chucho]

Real boxing fans don't call a boxer the GOAT of all boxing :lol

There's too much variety in boxing to just call someone the GOAT. You could ask who was the GOAT defensive boxer and you'll get some retard shouting Willie Pep, but objectively it's between Floyd and Whitaker. Then GOATs in outside boxing, inside, heavyweight, middle, feather, sluggers, brawlers, etc etc etc

Just casual fans shout out something like "X is the GOAT of all boxing"

That's not true. That's why the Ring's pound for pound moniker and "title" carries so much esteem.

Ali or SSR are the only ones in the debate and even then, Ali's resume is just a hair better. Liston, Patterson, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Shavers, Moore- that's 8 legitimate HoFers and he had quality fights with Quarry and Chuvalo amongst others. Where SSR wins out is the volume of fights.

[Mitch]

That's not true. That's why the Ring's pound for pound moniker and "title" carries so much esteem.

Ali or SSR are the only ones in the debate and even then, Ali's resume is just a hair better. Liston, Patterson, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Shavers, Moore- that's 8 legitimate HoFers and he had quality fights with Quarry and Chuvalo amongst others. Where SSR wins out is the volume of fights.

In this day and age p4p rankings are just a marketing gimmick, you can look up who owns the ring for proof of that. There's some substance there, but once it's all said and done nobody will remember Manny's long p4p reign... something like 10 years on the list.

If you wan't to entertain the question you'll always go to Ali's numerous battles (I would never mention Norton, he SHOULD have a winning record vs Ali, SSL and the fab 4 or go talent-wise and pick out somebody like Tyson or RJJ if you want to make excuses for later career shortcomings. I don't see the point in arguing overall best, the boxers are too different to pigeonhole them into one category. I don't try comparing Willie Pep to Whitaker, too much of a gap in time to compare a modern fighter to some pre-Ali fighter.

[jsandiego]

Holy fuck, this is quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen.
What do you have against Stallone?

[jsandiego]

Nice parody list :lol

Beli < Poop? Funny shit
At least you admit you've already given up on phil being anywhere near the top of this list.

[DAF86]

No current boxer can be called the GOAT of anything, tbh.

That is possibly the only sport where that can be said thanks to the bullshit mockery they made of that sport. With the ten thousands fractions of belts per weight class they have, and the fact that anyone can retain one of those, picking and choosing rivals as they like.

Mayweather made a journeyman like Maidana wear clown gloves out of fear of getting knocked the fuck out, he avoided an in prime Pacquiao and pulled a freak show vs a non-boxer. You can't compare that to guys that were forced to face the absolute best their weight classes had to offer on 15 round fights.

[Rummpd]

Basketball - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (put college and NBA career together best ever)
Baseball - W. Mays (lost years to war otherwise would have beat Ruth in homers)
Football - J. Brown
Golf - Tie -Tiger pre sex scandal but overall Jack Nicklaus
Boxing - Ali
Hockey - Gretzky
Greatest Overall Athlete - Bo Jackson pre-injury, all star in NFL and MLB

[Mitch]

At least you admit you've already given up on phil being anywhere near the top of this list.

Zen master > popabitch of course, but coach b is the goat of all.

[ambchang]

Bolt and Phelps in their respective sports

Sachin Tendulkar For cricket.

[FrostKing]

https://www.brethart.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/image-6.png

[james evans]

100 percent serious. I don't care about what happened after Tyson was railroaded and went to jail. To me, that was the end of Tyson's career. And during Tyson's career, nobody was better.
The end of Tyson’s career was leaving Rooney and Cayton.

[Fabbs]

One of if not the GOAT player - coach combinations:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8r-YelcBLIe17cA0BxxZ2wKK4WFx4CY9vZB5DCTdLep2FfEvc

[JoeTait75]

No love for Gordie Howe as the GOAT hockey player? Not only was Gordie the best player in the game, he was also the best fighter. Even Gretzky has said Gordie is the best ever.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd have to put a vote in for Hank Aaron in baseball. The true home run king, 3-time Gold Glove winner, 2 batting titles, MVP the year his team won the World Series.



And in basketball you'd need to include Wilt in the conversation just on the basis of his gaudy numbers, and Russell for leading his team to double-digit titles. No problem with MJ being named the GOAT, but LeBron shouldn't be entering the conversation until after those three, and probably not until after Kareem, Bird, and maybe even TD and Kobe. Lebron calling himself the GOAT cracks me up.

[pad300]

No love for Gordie Howe as the GOAT hockey player? Not only was Gordie the best player in the game, he was also the best fighter. Even Gretzky has said Gordie is the best ever.

It's Americans discussing hockey. Of course they think Gretzky's the undisputed NHL GOAT. Wayne might be the GOAT, but it surely isn't undisputed... Gordie, Lemieux, Orr...

[Fabbs]

maybe even TD and Kobe.
solid post up until here.
You're putting Tim as maybe in the same place as Kream and Bird. Hmmmn okay.
But then you put Tim in Kirby in the same sentence? Stop, just stop.

Incidentally while LeBron has not caught Tim yet and may never,
LeBron >>>>>> Kirby.

[Silver&Black]

No love for Gordie Howe as the GOAT hockey player? Not only was Gordie the best player in the game, he was also the best fighter. Even Gretzky has said Gordie is the best ever.

Of all the GOATS and "closest GOATS" I think Gretzky is further ahead of 2nd place than any other sport. Dude is the GOAT and no other person should even be in the conversation.

Dude has more assists (just assists) than the next closest person has points (goals + assists). That's just stupid to think of.

His spot is the most set in stone of any sport. He probably said Gordie b/c he didn't want to sound like an asshole....he knows he's the GOAT.

[Thanos]

:lmao of all the GOATs up for debate, the only one where there is literally zero rational argument against them is Gretzky. You'd have to be retarded, or just a contrarian of the highest order, to think anyone else even comes close. Lemieux might have made the debate slightly interesting if not for his health problems, but it is what it is.

[midnightpulp]

And it's going to be impossible for anyone to ever challenge Wayne since the NHL has turned more defensive over the years, with the larger pads and butterfly goaltending technique. Maybe ClipperNation can elaborate.

[lefty]

:lmao of all the GOATs up for debate, the only one where there is literally zero rational argument against them is Gretzky. You'd have to be retarded, or just a contrarian of the highest order, to think anyone else even comes close. Lemieux might have made the debate slightly interesting if not for his health problems, but it is what it is.

Lemieux was more spectacular imo

[Spurtacular]

:cry muh left turns

???

[BD24]

:lmao of all the GOATs up for debate, the only one where there is literally zero rational argument against them is Gretzky. You'd have to be retarded, or just a contrarian of the highest order, to think anyone else even comes close. Lemieux might have made the debate slightly interesting if not for his health problems, but it is what it is.
This. Gretzky is so far ahead of everyone it’s crazy

[lefty]

This. Gretzky is so far ahead of everyone it’s crazy

No.

It’s Cratzky










I’ll let myself out

[Killakobe81]

:lmao of all the GOATs up for debate, the only one where there is literally zero rational argument against them is Gretzky. You'd have to be retarded, or just a contrarian of the highest order, to think anyone else even comes close. Lemieux might have made the debate slightly interesting if not for his health problems, but it is what it is.

I actually prefer Super Mario, but it's like arguing Mike Irvin over Jerry Rice

Kings got past his prime Gretzky otherwise I might feel differently

[Ghazi]

WWE- Stone Cold NBA - MJ NFL - Brady ;)

[baseline bum]

Left turn driving: Ernie Earnhardt

[namlook]

Basketball - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (put college and NBA career together best ever)
Baseball - W. Mays (lost years to war otherwise would have beat Ruth in homers)
Football - J. Brown
Golf - Tie -Tiger pre sex scandal but overall Jack Nicklaus
Boxing - Ali
Hockey - Gretzky
Greatest Overall Athlete - Bo Jackson pre-injury, all star in NFL and MLB

Yes on Kareem being the greatest basketball player of all time. No one touches him when you consider NBA and college achievements.

[Killakobe81]

Basketball - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (put college and NBA career together best ever)
Baseball - W. Mays (lost years to war otherwise would have beat Ruth in homers)
Football - J. Brown
Golf - Tie -Tiger pre sex scandal but overall Jack Nicklaus
Boxing - Ali
Hockey - Gretzky
Greatest Overall Athlete - Bo Jackson pre-injury, all star in NFL and MLB

Great list

[FrostKing]

Mickey Mantle and Greg Maddux deserve mention

[Luka Doncic]

:lmao people giving Jim Brown credit for trucking a bunch of 200 lb white linebackers. Pretty much any current starting RB would get 1500+ yds a season in that era. Guys like Zeke, Gurley, Barkley are putting up 2K with little resistance.

[skin27]

Djokovic will surpass Federer anytime soon

[midnightpulp]

Mickey Mantle and Greg Maddux deserve mention

Baseball allows more leeway in how you can divide players, since left handed batters and pitchers have natural built in advantages. Maddux is probably the GOAT right handed pitcher, while Mantle is the GOAT switch hitter. Mays GOAT right handed hitter and overall position player, Bonds GOAT left handed hitter. GOAT left hander is probably Randy Johnson. Catcher is another position you can't really directly compare across the board, and I'd go with lefty's boyhood hero Gary Carter or Ivan Rodriguez.

[Donald Sterling.]

Boxing: Rocky Marciano
Hockey: Wayne Gretzky
Football: Tom Brady
F1: Michael Schumacher
Golf: Jack Nicklaus
Basketball: Larry Bird
Baseball: Babe Ruth
Tennis: Roger Federer
Soccer: Marco Van Basten

[midnightpulp]

Boxing: Rocky Marciano
Hockey: Wayne Gretzky
Football: Tom Brady
F1: Michael Schumacher
Golf: Jack Nicklaus
Basketball: Larry Bird
Baseball: Babe Ruth
Tennis: Roger Federer
Soccer: Marco Van Basten

Shoulda went with Cobb. They called Ruth part n***er back then.

[Play Boban]

Boban = GOAT in PER.

[spurraider21]

Chess: Magnus Carlsen

[Silver&Black]

Chess: Magnus Carlsen

That dude is absolutely amazing. I don't know if I would call him the GOAT only because I don't know enough about the history of chess. I know a little bit, but wouldn't call myself anything other than just a novice fan. Bobby Fischer beat the Russians...and that is probably a more historic accomplishment that anything Magnus has accomplished. But, I don't want to take away anything from Magnus...like I said two seconds ago...I just don't know enough about it.

However, I remember this video about Magnus and it might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen (chess wise). Dude is playing and beating 10 players without looking at the boards. Just keeping track of all the pieces in his mind. Wow.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTeDkyQUbyY

[spurraider21]

That dude is absolutely amazing. I don't know if I would call him the GOAT only because I don't know enough about the history of chess. I know a little bit, but wouldn't call myself anything other than just a novice fan. Bobby Fischer beat the Russians...and that is probably a more historic accomplishment that anything Magnus has accomplished. But, I don't want to take away anything from Magnus...like I said two seconds ago...I just don't know enough about it.

However, I remember this video about Magnus and it might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen (chess wise). Dude is playing and beating 10 players without looking at the boards. Just keeping track of all the pieces in his mind. Wow.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTeDkyQUbyY
the real issue you face with ranking GOATS in chess is that the players are just objectively better now. they study a lot more and train with computers and shit.

paul morphy is one of the original GOATS from the 1800's and basically set the stage for modern positional chess, but he'd get annihilated today. you had wild attackers like fischer and tal who people couldnt deal with 50 years ago, but they'd get picked apart by any modern defensive player

its not that players have gotten better/smarter its that the game has just reached a more advanced stage

[cmspur]

Don Bradman, Garfeild Sobers, Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Muththaia Muralidharan (Cricket)

[Avant]

QB...Tom Brady
FB...Jim Brown
RB...Barry Sanders
WR...Jerry Rice
TE....Tony Gonzalez
OL...Mike Webster
DL...Merlin Olsen
LB...Dick Butkus
CB..."Night Train" Lane
S...Ronnie Lott
KR...Gale Sayers
Plantation fighter...Tom Molineux
MMA....Royce Gracie
Jockey...Isacc Murphy
Boxer...."Sugar" Ray Robinson
Pro Rassler...Lou Thesz
Baseball..."Cool Papa" Bell
Slugger...Josh Gibson
Basketball...Wilt Chamberlain
Hockey...Wayne Gretzky
Soccer....Pele
Bodybuilding...Sergio Olivia
100M/200M...Usain Bolt
400m...Michael Johnson
800m...David Rudishi
110hh...Renaldo Nehemiah
400IH...Edwin Moses
long jump....Carl Lewis
40....Christian Coleman
50, 100, 200, 400, 800, mile combined....Lon Myers
Decathlon/Penthalon/Football/Baseball....Jim Thorpe
Pro Football/Pro Baseball/HS Decathlon....Bo Jackson

The Amazing Lon Myers

Lon Myers in 1880





Personal information


Birth name
Laurence Eugene Myers


Nationality
American


Born
February 16, 1858
Richmond, Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_Virginia), USA


Died
February 16, 1899 (aged 41)


Sport


Sport
Running (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running)


Event(s)
50 yards to one mile


Club
Manhattan Athletic Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Athletic_Club)


Turned pro
1886


Achievements and titles


National finals
15 United States, 10 Canadian, and 3 British national championships


Highest world ranking
World records at:

250 yards
(26.0 seconds; 1882)
350 (36.8; 1881)
400 (43.675; 1882)
440 on grass (49.4; 1885)
500 (58.0; 1880)
600 (1:11.4; 1882)
660 (1:22.0; 1880)
800 (1:44.4; 1882)
840 on grass (1:48.6; 1885)
880 on grass (1:56.5; 1885)
1,000 (2:13.0; 1881)





The Incredible Tom Longboat


Members of his family wouldn't even believe how fast he could run over such a long distance until he gave his brother a half an hour head start driving a horse and buggy while he ran on foot, and yet he still made it to Hamilton first.[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Longboat's chief rival was Alfred Shrubb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Shrubb), whom he raced ten times, winning all the races at 20 miles or more and losing all those at shorter distances.
Longboat served as a dispatch runner in France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) in World War I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) while maintaining a professional career. He was twice wounded and twice declared dead while serving in Belgium. Stories said that he had entered a communication trench which was buried by an exploding shell, where he and his comrades were trapped for six days (albeit with sufficient oxygen and provisions) before being rescued.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Longboat#cite_note-:1-4) However, Longboat himself debunked that particular myth in an interview with Lou Marsh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Marsh) in 1919.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Longboat#cite_note-:2-5) He retired following the war.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Longboat#cite_note-cbc2017-3)
While officially an amateur, Longboat had lost only three total races, one of which was his first, the Victoria Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Day) race. By the time he had turned professional, he owned two national track records and several unofficial world records. After joining the professional ranks, he set world records for the 24 and 32-kilometer races and had nearly set the world record for 19 kilometers.[4]


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[spurraider21]

wrestling is fake

[Avant]

wrestling is fake

Pro Wrestling is not fake.

The biz is all about giving an illusion of violence with a predetermined outcome. THAT....is "PRO" wrestling. That is very real. As is the very real chance of legit injury.

[spurraider21]

Pro Wrestling is not fake.

The biz is all about giving an illusion of violence with a predetermined outcome. THAT....is "PRO" wrestling. That is very real. As is the very real chance of legit injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQFkSFDpn8

[Avant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQFkSFDpn8

You never seem to really get it.

Everybody knows what "PRO" wrestling is. You aren't suppose to think it's real, you are to approach like you do a movie. You get into it and play along.

What they do is very real, and without some very serious training you can forget it. Pulling off a match is very real, there is just nothing on punches, kicks, etc. And the finish has been worked out. All that is real.

[spurraider21]

You never seem to really get it.

Everybody knows what "PRO" wrestling is. You aren't suppose to think it's real, you are to approach like you do a movie. You get into it and play along.

What they do is very real, and without some very serious training you can forget it. Pulling off a match is very real, there is just nothing on punches, kicks, etc. And the finish has been worked out. All that is real.
http://www.hilariousgifs.com/gifs/wrestling-its-fake.gif

https://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ezgif-save-copy-3.gif?w=396&h=297

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b125682ce0b7ab28454aad8510411f8a/tenor.gif?itemid=7427185

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKECiyIsq3I

[Clipper Nation]

And it's going to be impossible for anyone to ever challenge Wayne since the NHL has turned more defensive over the years, with the larger pads and butterfly goaltending technique. Maybe ClipperNation (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50270) can elaborate.
The biggest factor by far is the '90s Devils popularizing the neutral-zone trap, as well as goalies abandoning the stand-up technique after seeing Patrick Roy have success with the butterfly technique. Both of those changes caused scoring to plummet and brought on the "Dead Puck Era." Things are better now in terms of scoring than they were before the '04 lockout, but we'll probably never see Gretzky-level dominance again.

[Avant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKECiyIsq3I

Abstract

Over the past several years, professional wrestling, now referred to as sports entertainment, has become a hugely popular cultural phenomenon. There are several reasons to account for why tens of millions of Americans are attracted to this form of entertainment, but this article centers attention on three allures that stand out: excitement, intrigue, and political incorrectness. Content analysis suggests that these three foci form the core of pro wrestling program content. The present paper identifies the macrosocial forces that explain sociologically why these themes are especially marketable today: community breakdown, social disenchantment, and political correctness.

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You simply don't get it and never will.

There are sites out that dwarf this place talking about "PRO" wrestling.

Words like....book...push...babyface...heel...put over.

NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY....thinks the action is real...but the biz is very real.

[spurraider21]

Abstract

Over the past several years, professional wrestling, now referred to as sports entertainment, has become a hugely popular cultural phenomenon. There are several reasons to account for why tens of millions of Americans are attracted to this form of entertainment, but this article centers attention on three allures that stand out: excitement, intrigue, and political incorrectness. Content analysis suggests that these three foci form the core of pro wrestling program content. The present paper identifies the macrosocial forces that explain sociologically why these themes are especially marketable today: community breakdown, social disenchantment, and political correctness.

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You simply don't get it and never will.

There are sites out that dwarf this place talking about "PRO" wrestling.

Words like....book...push...babyface...heel...put over.

NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY....thinks the action is real...but the biz is very real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vLlCUKYTuI

[Avant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vLlCUKYTuI




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUC5p-HeIE0

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUC5p-HeIE0
https://media.giphy.com/media/2SrRuwtcf6m4M/giphy.gif

[140]

Pro Wrestling is not fake.




The biz is all about giving an illusion of violence with a predetermined outcome.

:lmao

[Avant]

https://media.giphy.com/media/2SrRuwtcf6m4M/giphy.gif



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Pc8n_4Www

[Avant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOSYcM4AJ8k

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Pc8n_4Www
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MadeupOrganicHartebeest-max-1mb.gif

[spurraider21]

Pro Wrestling is not fake.


NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY....thinks the action is real

[Avant]

I knew you wouldn't get it, you don't.

PRO...PRO....PRO....Wrestling IS...illusion of violence/predetermined outcomes...that is PRO wrestling and that is totally real, nothing fake about that at all. That is what the biz is suppose to be.....I know....huh????

When you don't understand what the biz is about is when guys like you....FAKE.

All of us in the know see it for what it really is and that is very real.

[midnightpulp]

Suprised spurraider doesnt like wrestling? Basically a live action real time comic book, and usually better stunts than the average MCU flick.

[cmspur]

https://youtu.be/wxxjGroUK0E

Muralitharan, the Sri Lankan Spin Wizard of Cricket!!!

[Xevious]

MMA....Royce Gracie

That's ridiculous. While he deserves credit for putting brazilian jiu jitsu (and MMA) on the map, he'd get destroyed by average fighters today even in his prime.

[gambit1990]

"pro" wrestling is so fucking stupid :lol