***Official 2019 NFL DRAFT Thread***

[spurraider21]

Begins Thursday April 25.

There's already a devoted offseason thread, but figured that should be limited to coaching stuff and free agency.

imo the top 3 players in the draft are Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, and Josh Allen. Raiders pick at #4, so just hope one of them slides.

[Robz4000]

Josh Allen gonna be a Niner imo.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Probably worst year for QBs since 2013. Maybe the rest of the draft falls that way, too? Everyone except the Eagles (and possibly Steelers, but they got zero net return for their prize that draft) had a lousy draft haul that year.

[Avant]

Darrell Henderson a RB just ran a 4.36 40, that is cooking for RB's. His stock just went up.

Most in that 4.45-4.60 range.

[spurraider21]

Josh Rosen trade rumors seem legit and reports coming out that cards will absolutely draft Kyler Murray. Great news for everybody near the top of the draft. Studs will fall

[Silver&Black]

Time to draft a QB Tampa. Don't fuck this up.

[Will Hunting]

Josh Rosen trade rumors seem legit and reports coming out that cards will absolutely draft Kyler Murray. Great news for everybody near the top of the draft. Studs will fall
Cardinals are such a clusterfuck :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Time to draft a QB Tampa. Don't fuck this up.

In the worst draft class for QBs since 2013. Lol.

Better wait 'till next year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cardinals are such a clusterfuck :lol

So are the other Arizona sports franchises too, well at least the Suns and Dbacks, I don't follow hocky because I'm not a canuck faggot

[Silver&Black]

In the worst draft class for QBs since 2013. Lol.

Better wait 'till next year.

That's just my hatred for Jameis talking.

[Holden_Caulfield]

if rosen is on the block and the jags are to sign foles. i would like the jags to trade a 4th or lower for rosen lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's just my hatred for Jameis talking.
Yep, and Dwayne Haskins is the same exact player, at best. Somewhere between him and EJ Manuel.

Kyler Murray is that X-factor if you're looking for a Vick type QB; but he'll be long gone before Tampa? I'm not sure he'll be great or not but he does have some of that Vick/Russell Wilson game in him.

Otherwise, 2020 has a much better and better well rounded QB class, from Herbert to Tagovailoa.

if rosen is on the block and the jags are to sign foles. i would like the jags to trade a 4th or lower for rosen lol

Why do you want to make a premium pick QB from last year (one with an ego at that) a backup? Also, what makes you think Zona would trade last year's 9th overall (that they traded UP for) for a 4th or lower?

[spurraider21]

doesnt seem like rosen is going to get a first round pick... if thats the case the pats should definitely target him with a 2nd and a late, or something

[Millennial_Messiah]

doesnt seem like rosen is going to get a first round pick... if thats the case the pats should definitely target him with a 2nd and a late, or something

well, he is an accurate pocket passer statue type of QB like Brady... Cowboys have one of those in Mike White, albeit lower rent... those guys need perfect coaching and the right Oline to succeed though. But Rosen (and White) both need to fix the sack fumbling issue, if you're going to be a non-mobile pocket passer you need to be able to make the subtle squirm moves in the pocket and be able to throw it from different angles to get the ball off.

[Avant]

Some talk about Murray maybe lacking in "smarts".....hmmm?

Could be totally wrong.

[Will Hunting]

doesnt seem like rosen is going to get a first round pick... if thats the case the pats should definitely target him with a 2nd and a late, or something
Yep.

Rosen probably needs 1-2 years on the bench unlearning all of the bad habits he picked up after one year in a completely dysfunctional situation, but he definitely has potential. Of the Cardinals games I saw he was capable of making throws into really tight windows when he wasn’t getting sacked 2 seconds after the snap.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Why do you want to make a premium pick QB from last year (one with an ego at that) a backup? Also, what makes you think Zona would trade last year's 9th overall (that they traded UP for) for a 4th or lower?
rosen doesnt look ready tbh and it would help his development to sit for a year or two assuming we get foles for a 2-3 year deal. they would trade him because they literally fired everyone and the new management seems to want to start over with kyler (if the rumors are true). but honestly id trade the jags 2nd round pick but nothing higher.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yep.

Rosen probably needs 1-2 years on the bench unlearning all of the bad habits he picked up after one year in a completely dysfunctional situation, but he definitely has potential. Of the Cardinals games I saw he was capable of making throws into really tight windows when he wasn’t getting sacked 2 seconds after the snap.

He needs to be like Brady and compensate for his lack of physical athleticism/mobility by making those subtle shifts in the pocket and pre-snap pass pro audibles like Brady does. Sacks aren't just the fault of the OL, but also the QB. Brady has never had a top 5 ranked OL but he's always near the lowest in the NFL in sacks taken.

[Will Hunting]

He needs to be like Brady and compensate for his lack of physical athleticism/mobility by making those subtle shifts in the pocket and pre-snap pass pro audibles like Brady does. Sacks aren't just the fault of the OL, but also the QB. Brady has never had a top 5 ranked OL but he's always near the lowest in the NFL in sacks taken.
Yeah any offensive system requiring Rosen as a rookie or 2nd year QB to be able to make the same pre snap reads that Brady makes is retarded.

It falls more on coaching than it does Rosen, but either way, the Cardinals o-line is just really fucking shitty. When your left tackle whifs on a block and gives the QB less than 2 seconds to throw, it's not a coaching or pre-snap audible problem.

Brady also plays in an offense where he doesn't have to hold the ball very long vs. Rosen who was constantly facing 3rd and 10+ in situations where he would need to have 3-4 seconds of clean pocket time for a play to develop.

[spurraider21]

bump for tonight

there's so little activity in this forum.. 2014 draft reached 37 pages. https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226666

this place is a graveyard now :depressed

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[Robz4000]

Looking like the Cards might pass on Murray afterall, eh?

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I'm gonna try and watch.

I quit posting too much here between all those bumped Wilson threads and MM's bad takes. But finally about to start the season.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Looking like the Cards might pass on Murray afterall, eh?

If they stand pat at #1, they'll pick him. If they trade down, they won't. Simple as that.

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I don't know. Browns don't pick until #49 and for the first time in about two decades the draft isn't our Super Bowl.

[FrostKing]

bump for tonight

there's so little activity in this forum.. 2014 draft reached 37 pages. https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226666

this place is a graveyard now :depressed
The kneeling

Fuck watching athletes that don't like my demographic.

I expect Fantasy Football to continue declining and that will snowball ratings

[Will Hunting]

The kneeling

Fuck watching athletes that don't like my demographic.

I expect Fantasy Football to continue declining and that will snowball ratings
:lol how is someone who hates America as much as you do pissed about athletes kneeling for the national anthem?

[FrostKing]

:lol how is someone who hates America as much as you do pissed about athletes kneeling for the national anthem?
Hahah

[Mugen]

Please god, let the Raiders end up with one of Bosa, Williams, or Allen.

[spurraider21]

Please god, let the Raiders end up with one of Bosa, Williams, or Allen.
if they take haskins at 4 im never going to a game again until gruden and mayock are fired

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No first round pick, but boys may deal Taco. Doubt they can get that much for him :lol

[Mugen]

if they take haskins at 4 im never going to a game again until gruden and mayock are fired

Yep ,that's the nail in the coffin tbh.

[spurraider21]

Yep ,that's the nail in the coffin tbh.
if Q and Bosa are gone, i'm good with taking Allen, trading back, and maybe reaching a bit for Ed Oliver. Devin White is a stud but they'd get much better value in a trade back than selecting him at 4.

picking anybody else would be a dud. picking haskins (or another qb besides kyler) would be disastrous.

the back end of the first really depends on the board. if sweat/ferrell/gary are there i think you have to take one. i also like the corners. if they take a RB and WR/TE it would be a pretty poor choice of players from a value perspective. its much more important to hit at DE and CB than RB or WR, and its not like we have some absurd glaring need at those positions to justify it. TE maybe, but i'd rather just take one later. luke wilson is a competent receiving TE on our roster

[FkLA]

Josiah Tauaefa imo tbh

[Mugen]

if Q and Bosa are gone, i'm good with taking Allen, trading back, and maybe reaching a bit for Ed Oliver. Devin White is a stud but they'd get much better value in a trade back than selecting him at 4.

picking anybody else would be a dud. picking haskins (or another qb besides kyler) would be disastrous.

the back end of the first really depends on the board. if sweat/ferrell/gary are there i think you have to take one. i also like the corners. if they take a RB and WR/TE it would be a pretty poor choice of players from a value perspective. its much more important to hit at DE and CB than RB or WR, and its not like we have some absurd glaring need at those positions to justify it. TE maybe, but i'd rather just take one later. luke wilson is a competent receiving TE on our roster

Pretty much agree with most except reaching for Oliver at 4 would almost be as bad as Haskins at that spot IMO. I'd be thrilled with Allen at 4. I like White a lot but I'd prefer trading with Snyder and getting #15 plus another future 1st back tbh....

Josh Jacobs or Noah Fant with the late 1sts would also be really bad IMO, I'd much rather go secondary with one of those picks and another edge rusher with the other pick like you said....

[spurraider21]

Pretty much agree with most except reaching for Oliver at 4 would almost be as bad as Haskins at that spot IMO. I'd be thrilled with Allen at 4. I like White a lot but I'd prefer trading with Snyder and getting #15 plus another future 1st back tbh....

Josh Jacobs or Noah Fant with the late 1sts would also be really bad IMO, I'd much rather go secondary with one of those picks and another edge rusher with the other pick like you said....
raiders beat writers have been very lukewarm on allen... they dont think gruden/mayock love him

i really dont like the idea of taking jacobs. i'm ok with using one of those picks on a TE or WR... whether it be Fant or Marquise Brown. but if they use both of those on offense i'd be pissed. #35 should be defense too. chase winovich would be pretty good there. i also like jaylon ferguson

[spurraider21]

the bills/jets supposedly have a deal in place for the bills to move up to #3 to take Quinnen Williams. odd given that they're in the same division, but the reporters seem confident nonetheless. jets want to move back and take oliver

of course cards can fuck everything up by not taking kyler #1 :lol

[Mugen]

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Not putting a lot of stock into it but if true, it means the Raiders want Williams. Swap picks and the Raiders throwing in a 4th rounder would be fine IMO if it means securing their guy.

[spurraider21]

1121532443348078594

Not putting a lot of stock into it but if true, it means the Raiders want Williams. Swap picks and the Raiders throwing in a 4th rounder would be fine IMO if it means securing their guy.
:lol instant reaction to word that bills want to move up for williams. jets are managing to pull off a bidding war. kudos to them if this is all true.

its unlikely a fourth will get it done tbh... i wouldn't want to move up unless we're getting bosa. at this point best move is to find a team that wants a qb and move down

[spurraider21]

Mugen

raiders top beat writer is confidently stating were going Quinnen, Oliver, or trading down

[Raven]

had no idea was today.. what awful timing

[Robz4000]

:lol Cards

[Robz4000]

:tu Bosa

[spurraider21]

Bosa is such a slam dunk pick. Good job niners for not botching it.

Jets are gonna take this to the last second as they field trade calls... I'm watching on a stream delay. still hoping we can take Q at 4, or trade down otherwise. if Q is off the board, raiders writers think Mayock/Gruden are taking Oliver. we can trade down a few picks (giants?) and still get him there

[spurraider21]

damn, jets drafted Q.

him and leonard williams up front... nice.

[Pelicans78]

Raiders getting Daniel Jones

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1121572140627705856

[spurraider21]

the fuck?

fire mayock/gruden right now tbh

[Holden_Caulfield]

lmao who :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

josh allen falls to jags?

[spurraider21]

i mean, i like ferrell...


clelin ferrell is one of the more underrated edge players in the draft. i'd take him over gary 10/10. he does everything well. he can get around the edge, has a lot of counters, and a go-to inside swim move... basically the one reggie white made famous with the big club. he plays the run pretty well too. he has frank clark written all over him and has the frame to bulk up even more. he's not quite as lengthy, but he has some julius peppers to him too. i dont see why he's getting mocked outside the top 15 (some mocks have him falling to the raiders at #24). he's not a combine warrior, but i think he's a safe pick.

if i'm ranking edge players... i'm going Nick Bosa, Josh Allen (i've shared my thoughts on him, i think he's very good but not a 4-3 DE), Montez Sweat, Clelin Ferrell, Brian Burns, Jaylon Ferguson, Zach Allen all above Rashan Gary, but gary looks like he's going to be a top 10 pick.

but they could have easily traded back 10 spots and taken him. i mean even if you aren't getting full value on a trade back, any extra picks would be nice if you're willing to take him at 4 anyway. truly puzzling...

[spurraider21]

Bucs take Devin White per every mock draft... even over Josh Allen. i guess there was some truth to the talk that scouts dont like Allen as much as the media does

[Holden_Caulfield]

come on allen drop to jags pls

[Holden_Caulfield]

oh shit djones i actually like him but the giants drafted a qb in 3 straight drafts :lmao

[spurraider21]

oh shit djones i actually like him but the giants drafted a qb in 3 straight drafts :lmao
they needed to draft a real one this time... not some fuck like lauletta

[spurraider21]

you know, we would have seen the raiders pick coming if Mayock had just released his mock draft

[Pelicans78]

Man, that's a reach.

[Holden_Caulfield]

they needed to draft a real one this time... not some fuck like lauletta
at least theyre not the raiders :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

josh allennnnnnnnnnnn fuck yeah bitches

[spurraider21]

congrats holden

[Holden_Caulfield]

duke and kentucky guys in the top 7. what is this the nba :lol

[spurraider21]

duke and kentucky guys in the top 7. what is this the nba :lol
fitting that a wildcat becomes a jaguar

[Mugen]

:lol @ me thinking Oliver was a reach at 4......

Even if you absolutely love Ferrell, trade down 15-20 spots and he's there for you....

[spurraider21]

ed oliver to the bills is such a perfect fit... mocked him there as well. perfect replacement for kyle williams

[spurraider21]

:lol @ me thinking Oliver was a reach at 4......

Even if you absolutely love Ferrell, trade down 15-20 spots and he's there for you....
i mean i'd seen a bunch of mocks where he's gone by 13-14... but why not trade back a few spots, even for poor value, and take him there?

this is still preferable to taking a QB though tbh

[Holden_Caulfield]

drew lock so i can laugh at flacco he gonna get benched again

[Holden_Caulfield]

finally a trade. lets see if they got raped like the chiefs

[Raven]

drew lock so i can laugh at flacco he gonna get benched again

let's not pretend like he lost his job fairly or that him losing his job provided any improvement.

[spurraider21]

rashan gary to packers. thats the guy i was most wary of this draft... bust candidate

[spurraider21]

let's not pretend like he lost his job fairly or that him losing his job provided any improvement.
they scored more points per game and won more games with lamar than flacco... dudes washed

[spurraider21]

redskins sitting pretty with haskins falling to them at 15 without having to trade up... lets see if they pull the trigger

[Raven]

they scored more points per game and won more games with lamar than flacco... dudes washed

yeah, i actually watched the games.

[spurraider21]

yeah, i actually watched the games.
good job.

i dont think lamar jackson is the answer. but its telling he was a better option than flacco.

[spurraider21]

wow dexter lawrence at 17 to the giants.

[Holden_Caulfield]

dang no wr. saquon gonna get 200 receptions :lol

[spurraider21]

montez sweat falling quite a bit... tbh i wouldnt be opposed to double dipping at DE and drafting him at 24, though gruden will probably draft a RB

[Raven]

good job.

i dont think lamar jackson is the answer. but its telling he was a better option than flacco.

he wasn't

[Raven]

montez sweat falling quite a bit... tbh i wouldnt be opposed to double dipping at DE and drafting him at 24, though gruden will probably draft a RB

good lord...

[Holden_Caulfield]

did these faggots at espn really waste 15 minutes talking about simmons

[spurraider21]

Mugen denver took Fant. saved us from ourselves.

Hoping we take Montez Sweat or a corner right here... they're all on the board. Greedy/Baker/Murphy/Ya-Sin

[spurraider21]

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) and now eagles traded up to 22.... hopefully to take jacobs

broncos and eagles saving us from ourselves :lol

edti: fuck, they took OL. gruden might still take a back.

[Mugen]

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) and now eagles traded up to 22.... hopefully to take jacobs

broncos and eagles saving us from ourselves :lol

Liked the Eagles picking up Burns tbh.

I'm hoping we go secondary at 24

[Mugen]

Liked the Eagles picking up Burns tbh.

I'm hoping we go secondary at 24


Woops - confused, though the Eagles had picked up Burns.

[spurraider21]

raiders on the clock.

sweat still on the board, i think thats the best pick. otherwise take the top CB on your board. i'm lukewarm on taking a WR like hollywood brown. very anti-RB

[Mugen]

Please god, no Jacobs here.

[Mugen]

Sweat or Murphy

[spurraider21]

Sweat or Murphy
i like greedy the most, but wont complain about murphy, baker, or even ya-sin

pick is in

[Mugen]

:lmao

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lmao

[Holden_Caulfield]

its better than fournette at 4 tbh

[phxspurfan]

LOL Lions picked a TE in the first round?! So stupid

[phxspurfan]

LOL Redskins picking the overrated EJ Manuel clone...classic

[spurraider21]

of course. gruden.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Gruden should go back to being a hokey announcer who comes up with goofy nicknames tbh.

[spurraider21]

LOL Redskins picking the overrated EJ Manuel clone...classic
racist tbh. he's nothing like manuel whatsoever

[phxspurfan]

Denver wasted their pick too. Wow so many obvious mistakes

[phxspurfan]

racist tbh. he's nothing like manuel whatsoever

OK, Jameis Winston without the clutch gene

[phxspurfan]

Not super mad with the best RB for the Vegas Raiders. There are worse picks. Defense would have been better of course

[Will Hunting]

Was Marquis Brown crying because he’s going to have to catch passes from Lamar Jackson.

[phxspurfan]

Was Marquis Brown crying because he’s going to have to catch passes from Lamar Jackson.

Lamar Jackson is a QB? News to me

[Will Hunting]

:lmao he’s wearing a god damn grill for his interview

black people are so funny

[Will Hunting]

Lamar Jackson is a QB? News to me
Where did I say he was a QB? I only said Brown would be forced to catch passes from him :lol

[spurraider21]

lol marquise brown crying cause he knows lamar cant pass for shit

edit: goddam it will hunting beat me to the same joke

:lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

the fuck the phone has a cord lol

[spurraider21]

OK, Jameis Winston without the clutch gene
so basically just a black qb. got it.

[Will Hunting]

So much for hoping Sweat would somehow drop to New England.

[spurraider21]

sweat off the board. hollywood brown off the board. CB or bust. worst case, take another DE like winovich or ferguson, though those guys are both gonna be on the board at 35

[Will Hunting]

Oh sweet another Gruden fuck up coming here

[phxspurfan]

so basically just a black qb. got it.

Wow you are such a crybaby

[Will Hunting]

Just seeing the full draft results now.

:lmao:lmao:lmao the Giants GM holding a press conference saying you can’t draft off of need and then drafting a 2nd round talent 6th overall

[phxspurfan]

No one selected any CBs yet basically... yet a shit ton of worthless TEs

[Holden_Caulfield]

i hope jawan falls to the jags. doubtful but heres to hoping. seattle probably picks him though

[Holden_Caulfield]

so where does rosen go i almost forgot about him :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

so where does rosen go i almost forgot about him :lol

So Telvin Smith Senior has to be on the trade block big time... right?


Maybe he goes to the Eagles for a 5th or a 3rd next year?

[Will Hunting]

so where does rosen go i almost forgot about him :lol
The two teams most likely to get him got the QB they wanted so they’re not going after him anymore, I’m praying that New England can trade a 2nd rounder for him.

[Will Hunting]

so where does rosen go i almost forgot about him :lol
The two teams most likely to get him got the QB they wanted so they’re not going after him anymore, I’m praying that New England can trade a 2nd rounder for him.

[phxspurfan]

Rosen would be great learning under the goat

[Holden_Caulfield]

So Telvin Smith Senior has to be on the trade block big time... right?


Maybe he goes to the Eagles for a 5th or a 3rd next year?
he was rumored to be on the block though josh allen will play 4-3 DE so that pick shouldnt impact telvin much

[Millennial_Messiah]

The two teams most likely to get him got the QB they wanted so they’re not going after him anymore, I’m praying that New England can trade a 2nd rounder for him.

Pats should get lock

[Millennial_Messiah]

he was rumored to be on the block though josh allen will play 4-3 DE so that pick shouldnt impact telvin much

Allen is not a full time 4-3 DE. He is a 4-3 OLB. Dime/Situational 4-3 DE, possibly, but will not hold up as a 4-3 DE against the run.

[Millennial_Messiah]

sweat off the board. hollywood brown off the board. CB or bust. worst case, take another DE like winovich or ferguson, though those guys are both gonna be on the board at 35

I honestly like the Clelin Farrell pick. Khalil Mack replacement TBH.

Abram was a reach though. And the RB pick in the 1st round is just laughable.

[Millennial_Messiah]

LJ Collier is probably a reach. Brandon Graham guy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Redskins have won this draft. Haskins AND Sweat??? TBH.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Pats get Lock, let's go!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wtf??? That guy is a JAG.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dez Bryant/Alshon Jeffery clone, is the ceiling for that guy

[spurraider21]

Abram is a fine pick. Would have preferred greedy but still good corners on the board for round 2

[Millennial_Messiah]

Abram is a fine pick. Would have preferred greedy but still good corners on the board for round 2

I've heard Greedy is falling because people have compared him to Deion Sanders... elite coverage corner who is scared to press or tackle. Basically hates contact.

Abram was mostly mocked in the latter 2nd round lately.

[FrostKing]

49ers stockpiling White talent

Feels good :meeting:

[LkrFan]

49ers stockpiling White talent

Feels good :meeting:

:lol

[Avant]

49ers stockpiling White talent

Feels good :meeting:


My Niners had the very first black 1000 yard rusher in NFL history in Joe "The Jet" Perry. He was also the first RB to have consecutive 1000 yard seasons.

In their history (1946-2019) they have had..one...stud white RB in Hugh "King" McElhenny. Yep, like Perry he's a HOFer.

The more white players a team has the slower they are when it comes to team speed, which is not good.

[Avant]

Kyler Murray needs to give Russell Wilson a call thanking him for being the reason he is getting a shot.

Dwayne Haskins will be the best of this weak QB class. Have doubts about Murray do think he's simply not smart enought for the pro game. He scored the lowest on that Wonderlic Test at 20. Yes I know Marino 16, but do believe that was a.....fuck this stupid shit on his behalf, knowing he was in without that test.

Don't see Jacobs being the answer for the Raiders when it comes to RB. He simply isn't all that.

The Pats just keep amazing me, they have their next Stanley Morgan now, easy to see why they rule the NFL.

Round two will be the round that really seperates the have/have nots in this draft.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/48sw3Lj/5060-1.jpg

[manufan10]

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1121838080653238273

[Mugen]

Hoping Greedy drops to 38

[spurraider21]

Hoping Greedy drops to 38
we at 35 tho

edit: oh shit didnt realize we started at 4pm today :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

i hope jawan falls to the jags. doubtful but heres to hoping. seattle probably picks him though

Lol fuck yeah

[Mugen]

we at 35 tho

edit: oh shit didnt realize we started at 4pm today :lol

Two trade backs, at 40th overall now.

[spurraider21]

damn man, jags landed allen at 8 and then got jawaan in the 2nd. nice.

[Mugen]

Greedy still available....

[spurraider21]

i'd be down for Greedy or Long at CB. other wise Winovich or Ferguson at DE

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) i'll bet you $20 gruden is taking drew lock tbh :lol

[Mugen]

If Gruden goes Drew Lock here :lmao

[spurraider21]

If Gruden goes Drew Lock here :lmao
tampa took some guy named sean bunting at CB to let greedy fall to us. we gotta make this happen tbh.

irv smith at TE would be such a boring pick for a low upside guy. but he'd probably start right away

[Mugen]

I mean you couldn't have Woody up there and have him announce anybody besides a DB

I'm wondering if Maycock is just drafting everybody at the National Championship Game :lol

Regardless, I like the pick.

[spurraider21]

I mean you couldn't have Woody up there and have him announce anybody besides a DB

I'm wondering if Maycock is just drafting everybody at the National Championship Game :lol

Regardless, I like the pick.
not gonna complain about a corner... but yeah looks like mayock's scouting wasn't very deep tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

im glad gruden controlled himself and we only took 1 offensive player with our top 4 picks

[Mugen]

im glad gruden controlled himself and we only took 1 offensive player with our top 4 picks

Yeah, honestly it could have been a lot worse.

[spurraider21]

wow cleveland got greedy williams. nasty combo with denzel ward

[chunticakes]

Waaaay past Jim Brown's bedtime.

[spurraider21]

raiders now have 2 fourths... they should be able to trade up if there's a guy they're targeting here.

winovich and jaylon ferguson both still on the board...

[spurraider21]

matcalf falling quite a bit... i dont see an issue with that. he's a one trick pony with drop issues. underwear model/combine warrior

[Pelicans78]

Oooh Saints replace Unger with a legit center!!

[spurraider21]

Rosen to Dolphins. Miami did well after taking Wilkins in round 1. dolphins got a 5th round pick out of it too :lol... gave up a 2nd for Rosen and a 5th

really surprised the pats never made a play for him

edit: they corrected the trade terms. dolphins gave a 2nd and 5th... they didnt get a fifth back. thats still a great deal for them. i'd rather spend a 2 and 5 on Rosen than a 1 on Daniel Jones... :lol giants

[Pelicans78]

The Cards GM is awful.

[JoeTait75]

The Cards GM is awful.

What do you think about Greedy Williams, 78?

[spurraider21]

Winovich a steal for pats

[chunticakes]

Winovich a steal for pats

Patriots drafted Thor lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

jags draft quinnen william's brother quincy williams with pick 98 out of murray state which was projected to be a udfa :lol just when we were having a nice draft

[Millennial_Messiah]

2 quality safeties still on the board. Cowboys need to trade up to get one.

[midnightpulp]

I don't get the logic of going with these undersized "athletic" QBs? Their overall success rate is poor compared to 6'3"+ pocket passers. Russell Wilson's SB win was more a result of his defense than any ensuing paradigm shift. Kyler Murray will bust and then try a Tebow. Book it. Looks like the Raiders drafted like ass, too. No surprise.

[Raven]

I don't get the logic of going with these undersized "athletic" QBs? Their overall success rate is poor compared to 6'3"+ pocket passers. Russell Wilson's SB win was more a result of his defense than any ensuing paradigm shift. Kyler Murray will bust and then try a Tebow. Book it. Looks like the Raiders drafted like ass, too. No surprise.
opportunity cost. It is easier to draft a new qb every 3 years tha to attempt to build an offensive line that would protect such a a player after he gets the big bucks. While they are cheap, the team tends to do well since they got all that cap to spare, meaning GMs and coaches get to look good since they improved the overall result without a top notch qb. Needless to say, as a pats fan I love it.

[Raven]

not knowing almost any of the players in the draft, i have to say that from the looks of it, it has been a very positive draft for the pats.

[Mugen]

I don't get the logic of going with these undersized "athletic" QBs? Their overall success rate is poor compared to 6'3"+ pocket passers. Russell Wilson's SB win was more a result of his defense than any ensuing paradigm shift. Kyler Murray will bust and then try a Tebow. Book it. Looks like the Raiders drafted like ass, too. No surprise.

Could have been a lot worse, mid. A lot worse.

[benefactor]

Meh draft so far for Houston. All the picks feel like projects in some way. Tytus Howard has a chance to be elite, but it will take some time and Watson needs blockers now. Lonnie Johnson is interesting. Big, physical press corner that can match up well with big receivers.

My favorite pick so far is TE Kahale Warring. He hasn't played a lot of football but he's a ridiculous athlete for 6'5 250. Played six different sports before he got around to football and what limited tape there is on him suggests he has a pretty good feel for the game and the position. Some Travis Kelce comparisons getting tossed around, but I'm not gonna be that guy. We will see how he translates to the pros but I like him a lot...especially since Ryan Griffin got arrested for public intoxication last night and has likely played his last snap in Houston.

[Will Hunting]

I like 3 of the Patriots 5 picks so far. Annoyed they took a corner in the 2nd round when the Alabama tight end was still available.

[Will Hunting]

I like 3 of the Patriots 5 picks so far. Annoyed they took a corner in the 2nd round when the Alabama tight end was still available.
I revise this, the corner they took is 6’4” and can probably be developed at either safety position.

[Pelicans78]

What do you think about Greedy Williams, 78?

He’s a very good cover corner with very good speed. However not physical as a tackler and I wonder how much desire he has as a player. Skipped the bowl game, didn’t meet with any teams. But the talent is there.

[spurraider21]

He’s a very good cover corner with very good speed. However not physical as a tackler and I wonder how much desire he has as a player. Skipped the bowl game, didn’t meet with any teams. But the talent is there.
his tackling is becoming absurdly overblown... i think he's the press man corner in the draft

[FrostKing]

Meanwhile at the NFL draft

https://i.ibb.co/6ZxDx2T/0427191206.jpg

[benefactor]

Omenihu is solid value in the 5th round. I would have liked them to take a RB there but they do need the depth on the D-line so I'm good with it.

[Raven]

I really like our draft. I think nobody will end up being a great player, but many could be decent to good and the positions were mostly big needs, so happy.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I have no idea what Lynch is doing with the draft this year. Besides Bosa (who is going to be awesome), I'm not sure any of the picks made sense. I get that we need a receiver for Jimmy, but this was a weak weak draft of receivers this year, yet we still chose 2 of them with our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Then we got a punter with the 4th pick (and even tho he's the best in the nation) why use a 4th on a punter? Then they drafted a TE? just a strange draft man.

[Millennial_Messiah]

49ers have a lot of holes tbh.

[spurraider21]

cardinals got awful value for rosen, but otherwise i like their draft a lot.

murphy at the top of round 2 is great (dont care for the isabella pick from the rosen trade)... zach allen at the top of round 3 is great, and then hakeem butler at round 4 might be among the bigger steals. deionte thompson at 5 too.

but this draft will always be weighed by murray vs rosen no matter how well or poorly the other picks do

[Will Hunting]

I really like our draft. I think nobody will end up being a great player, but many could be decent to good and the positions were mostly big needs, so happy.
Harry should at least be able to provide what LaFell did in 2014 but probably agreed not a pro bowler. They clearly see something special though because other teams wanted Harry and they could have easily traded down to get more picks which Belichick loves to do.

I like the offensive line picks a lot. They needed a swing tackle to develop in case Wynn doesn’t work or even if he does when Cannon misses 4-6 games with an injury and they have a replacement lined up when Thuney gets a huge deal from Detroit or Miami next year.

Drafting another running back hopefully means Burkhead doesn’t get any more carries either.

It sucks they didn’t get a tight end but the value was never there, all of the good tight ends were reached on too early.

[Will Hunting]

cardinals got awful value for rosen, but otherwise i like their draft a lot.

murphy at the top of round 2 is great (dont care for the isabella pick from the rosen trade)... zach allen at the top of round 3 is great, and then hakeem butler at round 4 might be among the bigger steals. deionte thompson at 5 too.

but this draft will always be weighed by murray vs rosen no matter how well or poorly the other picks do
I’ve never seen a team mishandle a QB picked in the top 10 as much as how they mishandled Rosen. They rushed Rosen into the field behind a disaster of an offensive line to run an offense with horrible coaching then they sell low on him after one year of shitty play from him that was caused by their incompetence more than by Rosen himself.

[spurraider21]

i'm lukewarm on the raiders draft...

i like ferrell a lot as a player (wrote about him fairly extensively pre-draft)... but the value at 4 just wasn't there. even if they didnt get any good trade back deals, still better to take a mediocre one if you're getting ferrell anyway. they botched it, but wound up with a pretty high floor guy who can play the run and pass and has multiple pass rush moves

josh jacobs pick was disappointing. dont like taking RB's in the first unless they're unique talents like barkley/peterson. but he should still easily wind up with 1300+ yards this year, since he's also a great receiver

after that i actually liked the picks we made, but those don't weigh as much as the earlier picks.

abram at safety at the end of the first was nice. karl joseph is on the last year of his deal, joyner is guaranteed only for 2 years. he's a legit strong safety.

trayvon mullen at CB in round 2 was a strong pick. would have preferred greedy but he still projects as a starter, especially on nickel downs.

maxx crosby represents good value in the 4th and gives us another rotational DE. we needed multiple, we got 2.

then took another big/fast corner, a tight end with legit starting potential. renfrow is a slot receiver, which we are pretty thin at (ryan grant). dont care for the last pick, he's probably a practice squad guy

Overall i give it a B-. They made up for a shaky start with solid midround picks on players with value and fitting positional need.

[johnsmith]

Someone that knows more about college ball tel me if the Dre Lock pick was intelligent?

[Will Hunting]

Someone that knows more about college ball tel me if the Dre Lock pick was intelligent?
I wasn’t a fan but other than that Broncos had a really solid draft imo.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Someone that knows more about college ball tel me if the Dre Lock pick was intelligent?
He has all the tools that you want as a QB. He made a sorry Mizzou team respectable. And he was a projected 1st round pick going into the draft. Getting him at 42 was a steal.

[spurraider21]

hes jay cutler

[Millennial_Messiah]

FUCK the Cowboys for not getting UDFA Tyree Williams.

They could have had their QB of the future, who's just as good/accurate as Dak Prescott but is 3 inches taller and runs a 4.5. They could have had him for a 7th rounder and flipped Prescott for a 1st and 2nd next year. Dumbass Jerry...

[Avant]

I hate to see these ratings on the draft now. We won't know for a few years how this draft actually went.

I do know one thing Josh Jacobs wasn't all that, a dumb pick for the Raiders.

Why are my Niners wasting a pick on a TE?

The Giants are stupid.

I do have doubts that Murray is ready for the pro game, he scored a 20 on that Wonderlic test, at 15 he's on twitter calling everyone a queer, he bailed on a contract in baseball, he quit on Texas A&M, he has sucked in every interview and his dad hangs around. Prediction.....Cards regret letting Rosen go.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm pleased with our draft other than the Singletary pick (but I'd love to be proven wrong here), and
Beane made some solid FA acquisitions on affordable deals to help Allen out. Josh looked pretty damn good to finish the season, and if he continues his development then Buffalo should be back in playoff contention come 2020. I'm excited about our defense next season, though...has the potential to be elite if we can get decent DB play outside of Tre White.

[Will Hunting]

I'm pleased with our draft other than the Singletary pick (but I'd love to be proven wrong here), and
Beane made some solid FA acquisitions on affordable deals to help Allen out. Josh looked pretty damn good to finish the season, and if he continues his development then Buffalo should be back in playoff contention come 2020. I'm excited about our defense next season, though...has the potential to be elite if we can get decent DB play outside of Tre White.
Bills had maybe the best draft of any team. Oliver might have a higher ceiling than anyone else in the draft and was a steal where they took him.

The AFC East is going to be brutal in 1-2 years imo. Rosen is by far better than any other prospect Miami has had as a potential Marino replacement and the Bills are putting a really good team around Josh Allen.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bills had maybe the best draft of any team. Oliver might have a higher ceiling than anyone else in the draft and was a steal where they took him.

The AFC East is going to be brutal in 1-2 years imo. Rosen is by far better than any other prospect Miami has had as a potential Marino replacement and the Bills are putting a really good team around Josh Allen.
I think you're way overrating Josh Allen (the QB) and Josh Rosen. Neither of them are very good. Also, the Redskins had a better draft than the Bills.

[spurraider21]

Oliver and Ford at 1 and 2 were both great picks for Buffalo. love what they did at the top

[The Gemini Method]

Not sure what to make of the Rams' draft.

We addressed some line needs and got help at Linebacker. Looks like the team is happy with what we have in house and adding some pieces may be for depth which was an issue last year. I guess it's up to Notebloom to come in and man the line. Kupp returning may be the best quasi-draft thing going for the team. The drafting of another RB is concerning. Is Gurley going to be this annual question mark? I surely hope not.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Drafting RBs in the first 3 rounds is stupid tbh.

[Darth_Pelican]

Drafting RBs in the first 3 rounds is stupid tbh.

Yeah, the Saints drafting Alvin Kamara in the 3rd round was a horrible pick. lol smh

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Yeah, the Saints drafting Alvin Kamara in the 3rd round was a horrible pick. lol smh

At least the first 2 rounds

3rd is iffy but he better be damn good and a year 1 major contributor (Kamara, Hunt were)

any GM who drafts a RB in the first round should get a lobotomy... or even better, a lobectomy.

[SpursforSix]

At least the first 2 rounds

3rd is iffy but he better be damn good and a year 1 major contributor (Kamara, Hunt were)

any GM who drafts a RB in the first round should get a lobotomy... or even better, a lobectomy.

You always point to the Patriots as the epitome of greatness and smart decisions.
Now you're saying their GM is stupid.

You can't have it both ways.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You always point to the Patriots as the epitome of greatness and smart decisions.
Now you're saying their GM is stupid.

You can't have it both ways.
Even Will Hunting hated the Michel pick. It is what it is. Imagine the Patriots with Darius Leonard next to Hightower and Van Noy. Bell cows were available later in the draft. Oh well, they won anyway because the league just sucked last year outside of the Chiefs who had a historically sucky defense.

[SpursforSix]

Even Will Hunting hated the Michel pick. It is what it is. Imagine the Patriots with Darius Leonard next to Hightower and Van Noy. Bell cows were available later in the draft. Oh well, they won anyway because the league just sucked last year outside of the Chiefs who had a historically sucky defense.

We’re not talking about Will Hunting. We’re talking about you extolling the Pats one day and contradicting yourself the next. Then qualifying their Super Bowl.

Personally, I think the Michele pick was bad. He’s got an injury history and my guess is that he’ll have knee problems his whole career.

But that hat has nothing to do with taking an RB in the late first round.

That being said, in general, using an early pick on RB is a bad idea. There’s not a lot of separation between the top college RBs. And I don’t think you get any extra wins by taking the #1 RB over the #10 RB. Especially if you have a good O line.

Barkley is an outlier in that he probably is worth a high pick for certain teams. Giants aren’t one of them though. You gotta be in SB contention to make that pick.

Anyway, the point of my post was to point out your consistent vacillation between your opinions.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Barkley is an outlier in that he probably is worth a high pick for certain teams. Giants aren’t one of them though. You gotta be in SB contention to make that pick.

And if you're in SB contention... it's irrelevant because you're not picking him anyway unless you trade the farm for him which probably pisses away your super bowl anyway.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6JcVF3Jpsg

[FrostKing]

CURRENTLY ON ABC

SportsCenter Special: Grading the 2019 NFL Draft


:rollin. Force feeding the poor American public to digest this pile of amateur shit.

[spurraider21]

you post about the NFL as much as anybody