Grades: Spurs vs. Thunder - Mar. 2, 2019

[timvp]

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The Spurs continued their recovery from a dismal Rodeo Road Trip with a second straight home victory. Tonight, it was a relatively easy 116-102 win over the Thunder. San Antonio got up early and successfully held on.

The story of the game for the Spurs was their defense. Not only did they hold OKC to a point per possession on the whole, they were dominant defensively in each quarter outside of the second quarter. In those 12 minutes, the Spurs gave up 38 points. In the other 36 minutes, the Spurs allowed only 64 points.

Yes, Oklahoma City was playing without Paul George, the league's second-highest scorer. But, regardless, the defensively-challenged Spurs will take any good news they can get on that end of the court. The starters were especially good defensively -- let's hope they can build on that going forward.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
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LaMarcus Aldridge set the tone in the first half with 23 points on 10-for-14 shooting. He was too crafty for Steven Adams and too big for anyone else on OKC to handle. Aldridge did well mixing in brute strength post-ups with feathery fallaways. In the second half, Aldridge's offense dried up but he made up for it with very good defense. He was chasing around smaller, quicker players much of the night (starting with Jerami Grant) and held up extremely well. Aldridge was also strong on the boards and ran the court hard.
Grade: A-
Summary: Aldridge played offense in the first half, defense in the second half.

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DeMar DeRozan
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It wasn't the most aesthetically-pleasing night for DeMar DeRozan but he was effective. Yes, he committed four of the team's 11 turnovers and routinely dribbled into the teeth of the defense (despite having open shots available) but he was above average in just about every other category. Defensively, his individual D was impressive at times, he rebounded well and he paid attention team-wise. Offensively, he played within the structure of the sets and made numerous heady passes to open shooters. What shooting slump? DeRozan has now hit at least half of his shots in all five games since the All-Star break.
Grade: B+
Summary: DeRozan got the job done.

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Bryn Forbes
https://i.imgur.com/yXVIEAs.png
I guess he's healthy. Bryn Forbes walked off the calf contusion that forced him out of the previous contest to post his best game in quite a while. Offensively, Forbes took good shots and smoothly created offense when it was needed. Defensively, this was a step forward for a guy who has been lit up on that side of the court as of late. He battled, he was better at cutting off driving lanes and he limited his mental mistakes. Looking at the performances by the perimeter players, I'd say only Derrick White was better than Forbes defensively.
Grade: A-
Summary: Forbes bounced back.

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Derrick White
https://i.imgur.com/IrTA2dV.png
Derrick White is getting better and better at defending Russell Westbrook. Tonight, he was really impressive in that regard. White stayed in front of him, forced him into mistakes and limited his easy possessions. The only thing that slowed down White's defense was foul trouble in the first quarter. Offensively, White was also an asset. His scoring in the lane was beautiful; White's patience, smarts and ability to read angles shone brightly. His playmaking, though, wasn't nearly as sharp. He was slow at getting the team into its sets and wasn't creating easy baskets for teammates at his normal rate.
Grade: B+
Summary: White played really well in multiple areas.

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Jakob Poeltl
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This was a strange game for Jakob Poeltl. On one hand, he could have played a whole lot better. On the other hand, he made great progress in terms of learning how to play with the rest of the starters. Truthfully, the latter is much more important than the former. Against the Thunder, his screens weren't as strong as usual, he wasn't rolling to the hoop hard enough, he wasn't keeping his head up to receive passes and his finishing was shaky. Defensively, he got bullied on the glass by Adams and shied away from contact at times. However, Poeltl was really good at protecting the rim and nimbly played passing lanes. And, like always, he was a beast on the offensive boards.
Grade: C+
Summary: Poeltl aided his long-term prognosis.

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Rudy Gay
https://i.imgur.com/vqYr2we.png
It looks like Pop has decided to use Rudy Gay as the bench's go-to scorer and he played that role perfectly against Oklahoma City. Gay's ability to score in isolations on the perimeter against bigger players and in the post against smaller defenders made him a matchup nightmare for the Thunder. He routinely made something out of nothing, an attribute the Spurs desperately needed tonight. Defensively, Gay was above average. He was strong rebounding-wise, strong in the paint and applied enough pressure on the perimeter to mostly hide his lack of quickness.
Grade: A-
Summary: Gay is starting to acclimate to his bench role.

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Davis Bertans
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Finally. Davis Bertans broke out of his three-point slump with a pair of triples in the fourth quarter. Prior to those threes, Bertans hadn't hit one since the Raptors game. The three-pointers against the Thunder helped put the game to bed but Bertans didn't do much else offensively at any other point of the game. Defensively, he was decent in halfcourt (he had a few great possessions, truth be told) but was unreliable in transition defense and he blew a couple of team-defense rotations.
Grade: C
Summary: It's good to see Bertans do what he does best.

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Patty Mills
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Ouch. Patty Mills can't play much worse. Offensively, his shot-selection was poor, his time-management was poor, his decision-making was poor and he wasn't handling many of the point guard duties. Defensively, Mills might have been even worse. He got blown by repeatedly and the Spurs struggled to find anyone to hide him on. It wasn't helping that Mills' energy level was at its lowest possible setting. Disappointing.
Grade: F+
Summary: Mills was bad. Really bad.

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Marco Belinelli
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Marco Belinelli didn't play well but, unlike Mills, I didn't think his effort was an issue. He was scratching and clawing on defense, even if the results were unimpressive. Offensively, he took a few bad shots but he was moving well without the ball and was creating space for teammates.
Grade: D+
Summary: Belinelli had a bad night at the office.

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Pop
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I've wanted Pop to start Poeltl just about all season so I'm not complaining now that Poeltl has started the last two games. I'm not sure yet if it's a permanent change but it has my seal of approval. With Poeltl in the starting lineup, the team's defensive potential is much higher ... even though it's undeniable that their offensive ceiling is negatively impacted in such an alignment. I don't have an issue with how the rest of the minutes were doled out -- the rotation was fine. Bringing Gay off the bench is beginning to look like the right call.
Grade: A-
Summary: Pop didn't do much, if anything, wrong.

Looking ahead: San Antonio, 35-29, can sweep their three-game homestand with a victory over Denver, 42-20, on Monday. That promises to be a challenge but it's definitely doable.

[monty4329]

Thanks for the grades (do you ever sleep?)

I take two things from this game:

- DDR took only 16 shots and passed the ball instead of the constant dribble-iso-turnover he seems to like. When this happens we usually win.
- The lead was never relinquished. This is a huge improvement, and badly needed. We lost so many games that should have been kept under control after the initial lead.

OKC was bad today, hopefully it was due to the defense. I liked a lot the rim protection (sure, they can't shoot 3s without George, but still) and the collapsing in the paint.

The two-bigs starting five is very dangerous, though. If one gets in foul trouble early or, worse, tweaks an ankle we are totally exposed for the rest of the game. Pau wasn't producing anything lately, but still he was a long body and was blocking/contesting shots.
We need a third center as insurance, I hope Gortat will be amenable to sit 40 minutes (I doubt it).

[WallyTiger]

TheCloser was bad. Really bad.

[RC_Drunkford]

Thanks for the grades TimVP. I don't think starting Poeltl for Gay is the right call in the long run. Having Gay out there with LA and DeRozan used to be pretty effective and created missmatches galore. Pop might just try this line up to see if he can improve the defense that way

[ceperez]

The starting five defense in the first half was great! Poetl adds that much needed defense in the paint.

Otherwise, OKC just played badly and that's what got the win.

[MoSpur02]

Loving the grade on Mills. He sucked. Him shooting them transition threes really pisses me off.

[r0drig0lac]

the highlight of the last games is that Demar is playing more intelligent, ironically, the game in toronto was the beginning of this good sequence

[ZeusWillJudge]

White has 14 points, 8 boards, 2 assists, 3 steals, and a block. While doing a damn good job defending Westbrook on the other end of the floor. Gets a lower grade than Forbes.

Expectations are pretty high for this young man.

[cd021]

Really like the idea of starting Poeltl with LMA and then staggering his minutes with Aldridge. He may muck up the spacing but his offensive rebounding helps mitigate that somewhat and with White guarding the best guard and always having a big at the rim, it looks like the Spurs could manage to actually stop teams on defense.

Gay coming off the bench makes plenty of sense, especially if he's coming in at the four-minute mark of each half like last night. He doesn't have to worry about other teams putting their best defender against him because they're likely on their way to the bench when he's coming in and he can be more aggressive in attacking without having to play third to LMA and DDR.

[Play Boban]

Start poeltl.......

[monty4329]

Really like the idea of starting Poeltl with LMA and then staggering his minutes with Aldridge. .

The problem is that you start your only 2 centers. It is a gamble that personally I don't like much, even if it makes sense from the basketball point of view. We'll see if it was situational (and a psychological boost for Poeltl), or more of a regular starting five.

[Larry O]

Could it be possible that starting a player one or two games, and then have him come off the bench the next two games, can disrupt the player's rhythm and the team's chemistry? I know that Pop will do lineup changes for matchup reasons, but usually at this point of the season, the lineups are set, unless there's a injury. JP25 may most likely start again against Denver, but if he's going to remain in the starting lineup, he needs to show more confidence and consistency when he plays. Perhaps this may happen for him if he is permanently moved to the starting lineup. I think that it really benefits LMA the most. It takes less pressure off of him to focus on scoring and not as much of a load on defense and rebounding. We'll see what happens going forward. GSG!!!

[offset formation]

The problem is that you start your only 2 centers. It is a gamble that personally I don't like much, even if it makes sense from the basketball point of view. We'll see if it was situational (and a psychological boost for Poeltl), or more of a regular starting five.

I'm sure it was almost entirely for matchups. When you have someone with Westbrook's and Schroeder's quickness, combined with our hit and miss defensive guard play, you have to have a rim protector or you'll give up easy buckets all night long. So you have him there as a backup.

[offset formation]

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The Spurs continued their recovery from a dismal Rodeo Road Trip with a second straight home victory. Tonight, it was a relatively easy 116-102 win over the Thunder. San Antonio got up early and successfully held on.

The story of the game for the Spurs was their defense. Not only did they hold OKC to a point per possession on the whole, they were dominant defensively in each quarter outside of the second quarter. In those 12 minutes, the Spurs gave up 38 points. In the other 36 minutes, the Spurs allowed only 64 points.

Yes, Oklahoma City was playing without Paul George, the league's second-highest scorer. But, regardless, the defensively-challenged Spurs will take any good news they can get on that end of the court. The starters were especially good defensively -- let's hope they can build on that going forward.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
https://i.imgur.com/1nluyNF.png
LaMarcus Aldridge set the tone in the first half with 23 points on 10-for-14 shooting. He was too crafty for Steven Adams and too big for anyone else on OKC to handle. Aldridge did well mixing in brute strength post-ups with feathery fallaways. In the second half, Aldridge's offense dried up but he made up for it with very good defense. He was chasing around smaller, quicker players much of the night (starting with Jerami Grant) and held up extremely well. Aldridge was also strong on the boards and ran the court hard.
Grade: A-
Summary: Aldridge played offense in the first half, defense in the second half.

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DeMar DeRozan
https://i.imgur.com/ZKxGADZ.png
It wasn't the most aesthetically-pleasing night for DeMar DeRozan but he was effective. Yes, he committed four of the team's 11 turnovers and routinely dribbled into the teeth of the defense (despite having open shots available) but he was above average in just about every other category. Defensively, his individual D was impressive at times, he rebounded well and he paid attention team-wise. Offensively, he played within the structure of the sets and made numerous heady passes to open shooters. What shooting slump? DeRozan has now hit at least half of his shots in all five games since the All-Star break.
Grade: B+
Summary: DeRozan got the job done.

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Bryn Forbes
https://i.imgur.com/yXVIEAs.png
I guess he's healthy. Bryn Forbes walked off the calf contusion that forced him out of the previous contest to post his best game in quite a while. Offensively, Forbes took good shots and smoothly created offense when it was needed. Defensively, this was a step forward for a guy who has been lit up on that side of the court as of late. He battled, he was better at cutting off driving lanes and he limited his mental mistakes. Looking at the performances by the perimeter players, I'd say only Derrick White was better than Forbes defensively.
Grade: A-
Summary: Forbes bounced back.

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Derrick White
https://i.imgur.com/IrTA2dV.png
Derrick White is getting better and better at defending Russell Westbrook. Tonight, he was really impressive in that regard. White stayed in front of him, forced him into mistakes and limited his easy possessions. The only thing that slowed down White's defense was foul trouble in the first quarter. Offensively, White was also an asset. His scoring in the lane was beautiful; White's patience, smarts and ability to read angles shone brightly. His playmaking, though, wasn't nearly as sharp. He was slow at getting the team into its sets and wasn't creating easy baskets for teammates at his normal rate.
Grade: B+
Summary: White played really well in multiple areas.

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Jakob Poeltl
https://i.imgur.com/FUIlW00.png
This was a strange game for Jakob Poeltl. On one hand, he could have played a whole lot better. On the other hand, he made great progress in terms of learning how to play with the rest of the starters. Truthfully, the latter is much more important than the former. Against the Thunder, his screens weren't as strong as usual, he wasn't rolling to the hoop hard enough, he wasn't keeping his head up to receive passes and his finishing was shaky. Defensively, he got bullied on the glass by Adams and shied away from contact at times. However, Poeltl was really good at protecting the rim and nimbly played passing lanes. And, like always, he was a beast on the offensive boards.
Grade: C+
Summary: Poeltl aided his long-term prognosis.

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Rudy Gay
https://i.imgur.com/vqYr2we.png
It looks like Pop has decided to use Rudy Gay as the bench's go-to scorer and he played that role perfectly against Oklahoma City. Gay's ability to score in isolations on the perimeter against bigger players and in the post against smaller defenders made him a matchup nightmare for the Thunder. He routinely made something out of nothing, an attribute the Spurs desperately needed tonight. Defensively, Gay was above average. He was strong rebounding-wise, strong in the paint and applied enough pressure on the perimeter to mostly hide his lack of quickness.
Grade: A-
Summary: Gay is starting to acclimate to his bench role.

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Davis Bertans
https://i.imgur.com/ucY2jSF.png
Finally. Davis Bertans broke out of his three-point slump with a pair of triples in the fourth quarter. Prior to those threes, Bertans hadn't hit one since the Raptors game. The three-pointers against the Thunder helped put the game to bed but Bertans didn't do much else offensively at any other point of the game. Defensively, he was decent in halfcourt (he had a few great possessions, truth be told) but was unreliable in transition defense and he blew a couple of team-defense rotations.
Grade: C
Summary: It's good to see Bertans do what he does best.

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Patty Mills
https://i.imgur.com/gTa4B5z.png
Ouch. Patty Mills can't play much worse. Offensively, his shot-selection was poor, his time-management was poor, his decision-making was poor and he wasn't handling many of the point guard duties. Defensively, Mills might have been even worse. He got blown by repeatedly and the Spurs struggled to find anyone to hide him on. It wasn't helping that Mills' energy level was at its lowest possible setting. Disappointing.
Grade: F+
Summary: Mills was bad. Really bad.

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Marco Belinelli
https://i.imgur.com/hP9vIFY.png
Marco Belinelli didn't play well but, unlike Mills, I didn't think his effort was an issue. He was scratching and clawing on defense, even if the results were unimpressive. Offensively, he took a few bad shots but he was moving well without the ball and was creating space for teammates.
Grade: D+
Summary: Belinelli had a bad night at the office.

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Pop
https://i.imgur.com/x7B1It7.jpg
I've wanted Pop to start Poeltl just about all season so I'm not complaining now that Poeltl has started the last two games. I'm not sure yet if it's a permanent change but it has my seal of approval. With Poeltl in the starting lineup, the team's defensive potential is much higher ... even though it's undeniable that their offensive ceiling is negatively impacted in such an alignment. I don't have an issue with how the rest of the minutes were doled out -- the rotation was fine. Bringing Gay off the bench is beginning to look like the right call.
Grade: A-
Summary: Pop didn't do much, if anything, wrong.

Looking ahead: San Antonio, 35-29, can sweep their three-game homestand with a victory over Denver, 42-20, on Monday. That promises to be a challenge but it's definitely doable.

:bobo

[John B]

Thanks for the grades Timvp. Agree on everything except I would give White higher grade than Forbes. White and Poeltl out there is the difference why the defense is much improved. Sure against Adams, Poeltl backed-down a little, but to everybody else, he was swatting shots with 3 blocks, and a deterrence for anyone to go for a layup. I like him starting for that matter, and especially if he can continue rolling to the basket for a floater or a dunk. His offensive rebounding is solid with 6, and covers any Aldridge half-baked fadeaways. And it allows Gay to dominate the 2nd unit and continues the offense which could be the reason why Spurs never relinquished the lead. I like the re-commitment to defense. I’m sure they had an earful in halftime allowing 62 points, because they tightened the defense on the 2nd half. Pau’s lack of defense was a distraction. It was pleasant to see the guys working harder on defense. I hope this continues and we could be peaking the right time. GSG!

[BackHome]

I wonder if they told Mills he is next trades/bought out hence his very poor play?

[R. DeMurre]

When I looked at ESPN.com after the game, the first highlight reel was of Westbrook, showing all of his drives and makes-- so strange the Spurs win the game and Westbrook shoots 7-17 from the field, 1-5 from three, with 7 turnovers, but looking at these highlights you'd think he'd dominated and led OKC to a victory. It's good to see D White embrace these defensive assignments-- Westbrook was visibly frustrated by White's tenacity. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it's still hard to not try and imagine how great a defensive trio Kawhi, Murray, and White would have been...

[John B]

When I looked at ESPN.com after the game, the first highlight reel was of Westbrook, showing all of his drives and makes-- so strange the Spurs win the game and Westbrook shoots 7-17 from the field, 1-5 from three, with 7 turnovers, but looking at these highlights you'd think he'd dominated and led OKC to a victory. It's good to see D White embrace these defensive assignments-- Westbrook was visibly frustrated by White's tenacity. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it's still hard to not try and imagine how great a defensive trio Kawhi, Murray, and White would have been...
Because they’re marketing NBA. Who would want highlights of White and Poeltl? Now we get to 2nd round then those names would come up with, “the Spurs have done it again finding guys.” It’s what sells.

[wildbill2u]

Whit e has 14 points, 8 boards, 2 assists, 3 steals, and a block. While doing a damn good job defending Westbrook on the other end of the floor. Gets a lower grade than Forbes. Expectations are pretty high for this young man.

White is so important to this team right now that his grades should reflect that when he has a game like this. You can't look at one quarter but at the overall game at both ends of the court. These stats are formidable for a new player in starting role.

[John B]

The problem is that you start your only 2 centers. It is a gamble that personally I don't like much, even if it makes sense from the basketball point of view. We'll see if it was situational (and a psychological boost for Poeltl), or more of a regular starting five.
I think Eubanks is serviceable. He has NBA-ready moves and can cleanup to lessen Aldridge minutes. He reminds me of Lee with his energy and craftiness around the basket. I hope he improves more.

[R. DeMurre]

Because they’re marketing NBA. Who would want highlights of White and Poeltl? Now we get to 2nd round then those names would come up with, “the Spurs have done it again finding guys.” It’s what sells.


I understand showing Westbrook highlights and how casual fans want to see that, but my point is that they don't show the reality of the game. They show his one made 3, not his four misses, and instead of talking about how his inefficiency was a big reason for the loss, they present it like he had a good game, which he didn't.

[R. DeMurre]

White has 14 points, 8 boards, 2 assists, 3 steals, and a block. While doing a damn good job defending Westbrook on the other end of the floor. Gets a lower grade than Forbes.

Expectations are pretty high for this young man.


:tu

[superbigtime]

Gave my parents tix to last night's game for Dad's bday who afterward commented flatly "Mills is a dud." Yep

[superbigtime]

I think Eubanks is serviceable. He has NBA-ready moves and can cleanup to lessen Aldridge minutes. He reminds me of Lee with his energy and craftiness around the basket. I hope he improves more.

I like him too. Yes, serviceable seem like the right word to describe.

[slick'81]

I wonder if they told Mills he is next trades/bought out hence his very poor play?

nope were stuck with him

[spurs10]

Thanks for the grades! Yes with the exception of Patty we saw so good play. I think the moment White got benched in the first Patty was the target and they went right at him. Westbrook is relentless and when Patty tried to draw a charge it was a foul. Other than that, it was a great win!

[SpurSpike]

I wonder if they told Mills he is next trades/bought out hence his very poor play?

It was kinda funny when at the end of the game pop pulled the starters and Mills thought he was part of that group but was told to get back out there with the 3rd stringers.

[vavvi]

Forbes played a good game but I still liked he played only 26 minutes. I think he should never play 30+ minutes.

As for Poeltl+LA start I think it's reasonable only against certain matchups like a bad 3pt-shooting George-less OKC team.
Against OKC you actually want Westbrook, Schroder, Felton and Grant launch 3pointers. It's a smart defense against them if you can protect the basket.

In a series against Warriors or Rockets LA+Poeltl is a suicide.

[cd021]

The problem is that you start your only 2 centers. It is a gamble that personally I don't like much, even if it makes sense from the basketball point of view. We'll see if it was situational (and a psychological boost for Poeltl), or more of a regular starting five.

If this is the starting lineup, I think I like it. Poeltl starts alongside and plays the first 7 minutes of each half, before being subbed out by Gay with Aldrige sliding over and playing center.

Jakob comes back in around the two minutes left in the first and third quarter for Aldridge and then plays around the first five minutes of the 2nd and 4th with Aldridge likely closing the game at center. This allows for the Spurs three best defenders to play together for long stretches and then go smaller with more offensive minded units. It should help improve the Spurs defense while still being able to score efficiently.

[cd021]

Forbes played a good game but I still liked he played only 26 minutes. I think he should never play 30+ minutes.

As for Poeltl+LA start I think it's reasonable only against certain matchups like a bad 3pt-shooting George-less OKC team.
Against OKC you actually want Westbrook, Schroder, Felton and Grant launch 3pointers. It's a smart defense against them if you can protect the basket.

In a series against Warriors or Rockets LA+Poeltl is a suicide.

I think against every other playoff team, it's a solid unit given that could actually stop teams. Spurs aren't likely to face GSW or Houston in the playoffs so it probably isn't a big deal.

[Slippy]

the highlight of the last games is that Demar is playing more intelligent, ironically, the game in toronto was the beginning of this good sequence

Demar is much improved since that game. Playing within the confines of the offense, still playmaking and being very selective on calling his number. His man on man D is still a step slow but the offort is there on disrupting passing lanes and rebounding.

glad to see he reads spurstalk . Lol

[Coach X]

White is so good. It's crystal clear how important is his impact on teams defense but what about the offense?

He not only runs the plays as needed but also drives the fastbreak well. He's a good playmaker an passer, plays off the ball correctly and can score in all the areas off the court and solves the possessions efficiently when the shot clock runs down.

Of course, he still turns the ball over too much and sometimes gets himself in trouble in random actions but hey, this is his real first year in the league... and he's playing the STARTING POINT GUARD position. Kudos to him.

[Keepin' it real]

White is so good. It's crystal clear how important is his impact on teams defense but what about the offense?

He not only runs the plays as needed but also drives the fastbreak well. He's a good playmaker an passer, plays off the ball correctly and can score in all the areas off the court and solves the possessions efficiently when the shot clock runs down.

Of course, he still turns the ball over too much and sometimes gets himself in trouble in random actions but hey, this is his real first year in the league... and he's playing the STARTING POINT GUARD position. Kudos to him.

Translation: Great job PATFO!!!!

[TDomination]

It was kinda funny when at the end of the game pop pulled the starters and Mills thought he was part of that group but was told to get back out there with the 3rd stringers.

I saw that. That was hilarious.

[nateboussad]

great as he was all season, it is hard to forget about his Finals performance.




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