Need to take the ball away from Derozan to close out games.

[spursistan]

Already sick and tired of this bum low IQ and lack of composure. He just so desperately trying to play heroball and in the process choked couple of games with few other close shaves..

Pop needs to trust White more. He is already a steadier hand than Derozan..

[ducks]

Does he close out as good as Hillary

[Twisted_Dawg]

Very lucky we salvaged a win as bad as he played down the stretch.

[fusionjazzman72]

I think Derozan Ball is just a tad better than cottonball!!:rollin

[SequSpur]

DeRozan sucks!

[jermaine]

We go to White all game but goes away from him in the clutch.

[John B]

Tbh I like Gay closing, despite big FT miss tonight. He can shoot over anyone

[8sy21vd]

I'd like to see White/LA featured down the stretch. Demar could slash to the basket and White would find him. That iso crap with Demar taking a contested one-footed fade away is rubbish.

[TDomination]

We go to White all game but goes away from him in the clutch.

i just don't understand this

[spurs1990]

The good news is that after this season, and then the next season, the Spurs really only have him for one more season.

[slick'81]

The good news is that after this season, and then the next season, the Spurs really only have him for one more season.

The fckn horror or him and mills

[TD 21]

The problem is, he's useless off ball and since he can't space the floor or defend (though to be fair, he's incredibly the 4th worst perimeter defender on this roster), he ideally shouldn't close most of the time . . . but that obviously wouldn't fly.

As predictably brutal as he was down the stretch, this team can't catch a break. The worst part of the late surge wasn't that it happened, but that you knew it would. The only thing that stopped the Nuggets from completing it, was the fact that it was at home.

[Twisted_Dawg]

The good news is that after this season, and then the next season, the Spurs really only have him for one more season.

Nah, they'll give him a huge extension.

[Slippy]

Agree but Pop vary of Demars mindset. Hell as a fan I am too. You see him chucking a sad earlier in the game at refs . It became all about Demar instead of the spurs. At the teams detriment.

[sasaint]

Nah, they'll give him a huge extension.

Maybe not IF Pop isn't still in charge.

[SpurPadre]

Reading this thread and other posts about tonight's game without having watched it, you'd think White was 13-13 instead of the 4-13 he really was. I'm not saying that means he had a bad game because he didn't and contributed in other areas but the truth is that LMA, DeRozan, and Gay have to be our closers in that order, tbh. And I say this knowing DeMar is a choker but he's still a more reliable scorer than White.

[NASpurs]

The good news is that after this season, and then the next season, the Spurs really only have him for one more season.

Yeah we say that about a couple of players in perpetuity. Got rid of one and others just pop up.

[spurs1990]

We have sunk so low that our franchise player is soundly established as a career choker and 4th quarter clunker and none of us Spurs fans blink an eye. It's like we've accepted our new position in NBA life.

[R. DeMurre]

Reading this thread and other posts about tonight's game without having watched it, you'd think White was 13-13 instead of the 4-13 he really was. I'm not saying that means he had a bad game because he didn't and contributed in other areas but the truth is that LMA, DeRozan, and Gay have to be our closers in that order, tbh. And I say this knowing DeMar is a choker but he's still a more reliable scorer than White.


Scoring wasn't the issue-- the Spurs had a double digit lead late in the 4th in a game where White had 9 assists and 0 turnovers. Closing in this case meant taking care of the ball, extending every possession, and not giving up any easy baskets.

[SpurPadre]

Scoring wasn't the issue-- the Spurs had a double digit lead late in the 4th in a game where White had 9 assists and 0 turnovers. Closing in this case meant taking care of the ball, extending every possession, and not giving up any easy baskets.

Yeah but you don't just play keepaway. Eventually, you have to score and if you tout his 9 assists then you should be aware he's going to pass it to somebody. If it's not LMA or Gay, guess what, it'll have to DeMar because those are our only proven scorers.

[alpha_HaZE]

Reading this thread and other posts about tonight's game without having watched it, you'd think White was 13-13 instead of the 4-13 he really was. I'm not saying that means he had a bad game because he didn't and contributed in other areas but the truth is that LMA, DeRozan, and Gay have to be our closers in that order, tbh. And I say this knowing DeMar is a choker but he's still a more reliable scorer than White.

someone with some sense, the hate DeMar gets is unreasonable.

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

Was that Sarah Palin at the game?

[DAF86]

Remember when folks thought that us preferrig to trade for Robert Covington were crazy? :lol

[monty4329]

Agree but Pop vary of Demars mindset. Hell as a fan I am too. You see him chucking a sad earlier in the game at refs . It became all about Demar instead of the spurs. At the teams detriment.

I cannot take that guy any longer. Again he almost costed us the game tonight. But this is 100% Pop's fault. Why the fuck give him the ball closing games? Even my grandma from the grave could have seen what was happening. I don't know if I am more angry at him or Pop. Fucking retarded morons both.

[monty4329]

Reading this thread and other posts about tonight's game without having watched it, you'd think White was 13-13 instead of the 4-13 he really was. I'm not saying that means he had a bad game because he didn't and contributed in other areas but the truth is that LMA, DeRozan, and Gay have to be our closers in that order, tbh. And I say this knowing DeMar is a choker but he's still a more reliable scorer than White.

What did DDR do in the last 4 minutes? Except dribbling the ball and miss shots? He is a giant liability, he shouldn't even get near the ball closing games. Again and again the same story.

[monty4329]

Already sick and tired of this bum low IQ and lack of composure. He just so desperately trying to play heroball and in the process choked couple of games with few other close shaves..

Pop needs to trust White more. He is already a steadier hand than Derozan..

100% agree

[r0drig0lac]

Reading this thread and other posts about tonight's game without having watched it, you'd think White was 13-13 instead of the 4-13 he really was. I'm not saying that means he had a bad game because he didn't and contributed in other areas but the truth is that LMA, DeRozan, and Gay have to be our closers in that order, tbh. And I say this knowing DeMar is a choker but he's still a more reliable scorer than White.

no doubt

[XDT76]

Remember when folks thought that us preferrig to trade for Robert Covington were crazy? :lol

I would loved to have Covington on this team, but not over the Raptors trade. With Savic and Covington on this team we will not have a secondary rim protector or anyone who can handle and play make at least adequately on this team when white is out. I was hoping previously the wolves would take mills and Gasol for Covington.

[TheGoatishere]

Remember when folks thought that us preferrig to trade for Robert Covington were crazy? :lol

That is still crazy day ...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Was that Sarah Palin at the game?

saw her too! meow

[BD24]

Derozan played a great game until he decided to go into hero mode down the stretch. Couldn’t agree more with putting the ballin whites hands down the stretch instead

[bklynspursfan]

I don't mind him with the ball, but wish he'd go down in the post more. He seems to do better there, and can better spot his teammates. He played a good game, so I don't mind him having the ball in his hands. It's probably best for the team to build his confidence in those moments again.

But rather him have it in different spots than he had it

[Harry Callahan]

So I'm not the only one who saw Sarah Palin there. I know she was a basketball player - she may have even been a college player. Nope. I checked - only played through high school.....

[SAGirl]

The problem is, he's useless off ball and since he can't space the floor or defend (though to be fair, he's incredibly the 4th worst perimeter defender on this roster), he ideally shouldn't close most of the time . . . but that obviously wouldn't fly.

As predictably brutal as he was down the stretch, this team can't catch a break. The worst part of the late surge wasn't that it happened, but that you knew it would. The only thing that stopped the Nuggets from completing it, was the fact that it was at home.
Appears like a sighting of playoff Derozan.

[RC_Drunkford]

need to take the ball away from DeRozan period. He makes the team worse. Melo 2

[Larry O]

This no defense playin'; butterfingers havin'; low BBIQ thinkin' playa"! It's no wonder why The Raptors FO was so eager to get rid of him when the opportunity came up to trade him for No. 2. BUT I also blame Pop for crunch time play draw-ups & who will have the ball & score in those situations. There's that saying: Fool me once: shame on you. Fool me twice: shame on me. Fool me three times: I'm an idiot, lol. I'd would have thought that Pop would have addressed this issue by now, but I guess he doesn't want to hurt DD10's feelings, boo-hoo (IDIOT!). Looking back, yeah, I can see why he got benched in 4th quarter siuatons of a game when he played with the Raptors because he would just mess things up! Breathe, breathe... I'm okay, but hopfully Pop & his staff will seriously address this matter and correct it, too. DW4 needs to be trusted more, & just let him fly! To be honest, in my opinion, DW4 is more valuable to this team than DD10 is right now. Yeah, DD10 can score; he can assist, but in cruch time... get the ball out of his hands! Did I say, please? PLEASE!!!

[itzsoweezee]

You can tell that the dude idolizes Kobe. Unfortunately, as much of a chucker Kobe was, he delivered a lot more than DeRozan has.

[bklynspursfan]

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[DPG21920]

DDR is more than capable; the issue is at times he goes from making the right plays to forcing things. It’s not like the other 3 quarters don’t exist. He does well there. It’s just him pushing too hard vs trusting the system.

[GusT15]

1103351596623245314

Just imagine how many assists and 3pt shots he would create if he was passing the ball the right way.

Having the ability to make the defense gather around you while driving is an elite skill in today's NBA.

Making the pass at the RIGHT time is the foundation of something called the beautiful game.

Of course he leads the team in assists,he is the main ball handler/slasher.

[bklynspursfan]

Just imagine how many assists and 3pt shots he would create if he was passing the ball the right way.

Having the ability to make the defense gather around you while driving is an elite skill in today's NBA.

Making the pass at the RIGHT time is the foundation of something called the beautiful game.

Of course he leads the team in assists,he is the main ball handler/slasher.

He does a really god job of drawing extra defenders or getting into the paint and kicking out. Often times he's leaving his feet without knowing what he wants to do, so hopefully he gets that under control. Still about twice as much than the next guy, and he shares the ball-handling with White, and LMA of course gets his touches, so still impressive what he's doing and far better at finding guys than I thought he'd be.

[GusT15]

He does a really god job of drawing extra defenders or getting into the paint and kicking out. Often times he's leaving his feet without knowing what he wants to do, so hopefully he gets that under control. Still about twice as much than the next guy, and he shares the ball-handling with White, and LMA of course gets his touches, so still impressive what he's doing and far better at finding guys than I thought he'd be.

Do you remember how much shit Tony Parker was getting from this board when he was dribble dribble and passed the ball at 5 seconds left? DDR is the main ball handler,not White.When they are both in game and especially in the clutch.Vs Denver White deferred to DDR in the last 6 mins and DeRozan was running point.

Nobody is saying he is not capable of drawing defenders.Nobody is saying he NEVER passes the ball.We are saying he should pass more sensibly.

I had the exact same issue with #2 at times,many times actually,but Nephew was actually hitting his shots and even more importantly with the game on the line.
So even though he was passing even less,i couldn't complain."Hey that was ugly and he should have passed the ball.Oh well,he made the 2 and we won,all is good"

[bklynspursfan]

Do you remember how much shit Tony Parker was getting from this board when he was dribble dribble and passed the ball at 5 seconds left? DDR is the main ball handler,not White.When they are both in game and especially in the clutch.Vs Denver White deferred to DDR in the last 6 mins and DeRozan was running point.

Nobody is saying he is not capable of drawing defenders.Nobody is saying he NEVER passes the ball.We are saying he should pass more sensibly.

I had the exact same issue with #2 at times,many times actually,but Nephew was actually hitting his shots and even more importantly with the game on the line.
So even though he was passing even less,i couldn't complain."Hey that was ugly and he should have passed the ball.Oh well,he made the 2 and we won,all is good"

The TP thing was different IMO. I agree DeMar's decision making can improve tho, and that comes with repetition, especially for a guy whos been known to be a scorer first.

[GreekSpursfan]

Imagine paying a guy 27m and be forced to take the ball away from him in crunch time and people here are anxious we make the playoffs.

[Pako]

Pop wants Demar to learn how to close the game just like how he trained Kawhi. We won't go far if he can't close the game like an elite player. This is a painful way of learning and it might cost us games but if Demar gets it, then we have a chance to go far during the post season.

[GusT15]

Pop wants Demar to learn how to close the game just like how he trained Kawhi. We won't go far if he can't close the game like an elite player. This is a painful way of learning and it might cost us games but if Demar gets it, then we have a chance to go far during the post season.

You cannot teach or coach the clutch gene to a player.Not at 30 at least.
If your heart rate elevates to the sky,if your mind is not capable of reading the floor,if you shit your pants every time the game is on the line,no coach and no system is gonna help you make the basket,the right pass,the correct decision.

[bklynspursfan]

You cannot teach or coach the clutch gene to a player.Not at 30 at least.
If your heart rate elevates to the sky,if your mind is not capable of reading the floor,if you shit your pants every time the game is on the line,no coach and no system is gonna help you make the basket,the right pass,the correct decision.

DeMar has had plenty of moments of scoring in the clutch, heck early on this year he won games for us. Consistency is the issue. And you make the right pass by getting reps, watching film, and learning from your mistakes. Even Patty as a playmaker this year vs last year (when he was learning) is night and day. His P&R passes have been much better this year.

[GusT15]

DeMar has had plenty of moments of scoring in the clutch, heck early on this year he won games for us. Consistency is the issue. And you make the right pass by getting reps, watching film, and learning from your mistakes. Even Patty as a playmaker this year vs last year (when he was learning) is night and day. His P&R passes have been much better this year.

Yeah dude and Lebron hit that 3 against Orlando (?),a fuckton years ago.Was/is Lebron clutch?
There is no shame for the number 1 option giving away the ball in the clutch.Lebron had Allen and Irving.He was never clutch.

Hell even if you're the most clutch player of all time,if the correct play to win you the game is passing the ball,YOU PASS THE BALL.
Jordan to Kerr,Jordan to Paxson etc

[spursistan]

Bump..

Why is this Anti-clutch, choking faggot still heroing us out of games is beyond me? :lmao..

Take the fuckin ball out of his hands FFS !!!!!!

[Genovaswitness]

stupid choking faggot :spin

but dekobe!!!

[Rusty]

"better than Kawhi!" :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

is it me or does thsi clown look like rodman without the piercings and dye

[$pursDynasty]

He is who he seemed to be from afar back when he was in Toronto, which is LeBron lost zero minutes of sleep worrying about a Derozan led Raptors team AND why the Raptors GM had no problem trading his behind.

[timtonymanu]

Bump..

Why is this Anti-clutch, choking faggot still heroing us out of games is beyond me? :lmao..

Take the fuckin ball out of his hands FFS !!!!!!

:cry buh he will be better in year 2, Pop will fix his choking habits

[timtonymanu]

Trade Derozan in the summer while he still has value, if there's any left.

[sananspursfan21]

He is clearly not the hero of this team, DWhite is. I love DeRozan and I’ll advocate for him all day, but he can’t be the hero late in the game. Let White distribute in crunch time and if DeRozan trips over a made shot, so be it.

[FkLA]

I dont mind him having the ball late in games but he needs to play in control like he does the rest of the game. So many times he'll be having a great game, then in the end he tries to "take over" and forces so much shit. He takes his closer label too seriously.

[TheRemix]

I dont mind him having the ball late in games but he needs to play in control like he does the rest of the game. So many times he'll be having a great game, then in the end he tries to "take over" and forces so much shit. He takes his closer label too seriously.

This. He takes out of control forced shots. It doesnt help that his shots are also off balanced because he's trying to make something happen. The ball needs to be in whites hands.

[boutons_deux]

He takes his closer label too seriously.

I take his LOSER label very seriously

[Rusty]

Pop wants Demar to learn how to close the game just like how he trained Kawhi. We won't go far if he can't close the game like an elite player. This is a painful way of learning and it might cost us games but if Demar gets it, then we have a chance to go far during the post season.

are you kidding me? He's 29 years old, been in this league that many years. He is who he is at this point and you can't change him from a choker to closer.

[sasaint]

Trade Derozan in the summer while he still has value, if there's any left.

Too late, besides, (as you noted above) Pop will keep him and "fix" him in year 2. :lol

We needed to trade him before the deadline.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

derozan is the charlie brown of the nba

[Capt Bringdown]

derozan is the charlie brown of the nba

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-12/31/8/campaign_images/webdr11/are-you-a-sad-sack-2-20627-1451567574-0_dblbig.jpg

[Rusty]

having Derozen on this team stunts MVWhite's growth :cry

fucking Poopovich

[GAustex]

derozan is the charlie brown of the nba

[cjw]

I like Demar, easy to rally behind especially after replacing the void of personality in Kawhi.

But it’s clear that he presses in pressure situations and loses control, like trying to go play for play with MVP candidates. Not to mention the Spurs have been better with him on the bench (slight net negative rating with him on floor) but that could also be based on the dynamite bench lineups.

It’s not happening given marketability and how cold of a move it would be perceived as, but what could realistically be expected if they moved on from him after the season? And what kind of money does he realistically expect when his contract is up?

[tmtcsc]

His awful play cost the Spurs the last 2 games. He is NOT a winner.

[Larry O]

This is on Pop! DD10 isn't a PG, but White is. White needs to be handling the ball, especially in crunch time. Yeah, DD10 is an all-star and all, but he's also proven over and over that he has no business with handling the ball when the game is tight. Pop needs to trust White to do his job...

[tmtcsc]

This is on Pop! DD10 isn't a PG, but White is. White needs to be handling the ball, especially in crunch time. Yeah, DD10 WAS an all-star and all, but he's also proven over and over that he has no business with handling the ball when the game is tight. Pop needs to trust White to do his job...

FIFY

[tmtcsc]

I like Demar, easy to rally behind especially after replacing the void of personality in Kawhi.

But it’s clear that he presses in pressure situations and loses control, like trying to go play for play with MVP candidates. Not to mention the Spurs have been better with him on the bench (slight net negative rating with him on floor) but that could also be based on the dynamite bench lineups.

It’s not happening given marketability and how cold of a move it would be perceived as, but what could realistically be expected if they moved on from him after the season? And what kind of money does he realistically expect when his contract is up?

It's not cold at all. The Spurs need to get better and if they can get better by moving him, they should move him. He's getting paid handsomely right now but he's going to lose money on his next contract every year he stays in the Western Conference. Dude is a hot mess handling the ball at the end of games.

[lefty]

"better than Kawhi!" :lmao

[monty4329]

I can't stand his pussy demeanor, it is unbearable. Fucking loser. Why the fuck is he even on the floor closing games? Give the ball to White and have Beli shoot and get free throws. Idiot faggot DDR dragging this team the whole season, what a loser loser loser.

[smaka]

His awful play cost the Spurs the last 2 games. He is NOT a winner.

Agree, this was pathetic again.

[spursistan]

Derozan in the clutch, my goodness :lmao..

[MultiTroll]

CIA DumbAss again.
Playoff preview?

[resistanze]

Derozan in the clutch, my goodness :lmao..

[boutons_deux]

CIA DumbAss again.
Playoff preview?

I bet there won't be any need for Spurs clutch performances, winners vs GSW. The games will be out of reach.

[itzsoweezee]

Demar has never been a net positive player. Teams do better when he's on the bench, including this year. The Spurs would be better off if he were out of the lineup. White, gay, and Aldridge, plus the bench, is more than enough for a very good offense.

[slick'81]

Demar has never been a net positive player. Teams do better when he's on the bench, including this year. The Spurs would be better off if he were out of the lineup. White, gay, and Aldridge, plus the bench, is more than enough for a very good offense.


spurs would of been better off never trading for him to begin with.....yet here we are

[MultiTroll]

I bet there won't be any need for Spurs clutch performances, winners vs GSW. The games will be out of reach.
CIA Popped is 18-20 playoffs since Tim Duncan coached the 2014 Spurs to one of the GOAT wins.
1-4 without either Duncan or Kwa to coattail off.
It's not looking good. I'm all for being surprised but stupid shit like having Spiritual Leader Patty as the playing time pet and DD closing out games when he is clearly completely uncomfortable doing so is redundant.

[Slippy]

Atleast we all know, not to get our hopes up under 2min when spurs are close or leading.

Pop hasn't seen enough of Demar closing already. Lol

To be fair, Demar got the spurs back into this game. Same result though .

[Slippy]

spurs would of been better off never trading for him to begin with.....yet here we are

I'm starting to come around to this way of thinking. Obviously hindsight helps.

[slick'81]

I'm starting to come around to this way of thinking. Obviously hindsight helps.

We all knew what derozan was tbh. No matter how spur fan spins it kawhi for derozan probably wasnt going to be a win for sa

[$pursDynasty]

Derozan ball is NOT winning basketball , I thought about starting that as a tread but why :deadhorse oh and this dead horse stinks