Court of Law and Dwight Clark

[Avant]

Starters

*ProBowl, +1st-tm All-Pro (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/allpro.htm)




Pos
Player
Age
Yrs
GS
Summary of Player Stats
Drafted (tm/rnd/yr)



Offensive Starters







QB
Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
25
2
16
311 for 488, 3,565 yards, 19 td, 12 int, & 25 rushes for 95 yards and 2 td
San Francisco 49ers / 3rd / 82nd pick / 1979 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1979/draft.htm)


RB
Ricky Patton (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PattRi00.htm)
27
3
15
152 rushes for 543 yards, 4 td, & 27 catches for 195 yards and 1 td
Atlanta Falcons / 10th / 257th pick / 1978 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/draft.htm)


FB
Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
24
1
11
98 rushes for 330 yards, 1 td, & 51 catches for 477 yards and 0 td
San Francisco 49ers / 1st / 13th pick / 1980 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1980/draft.htm)


WR
Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)*
24
2
16
85 catches for 1,105 yards, 4 td, & 3 rushes for 32 yards and 0 td
San Francisco 49ers / 10th / 249th pick / 1979 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1979/draft.htm)


WR
Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
28
6
15
59 catches for 969 yards, 8 td, & 9 rushes for 43 yards and 0 td
Miami Dolphins / 2nd / 36th pick / 1975 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1975/draft.htm)


TE
Charle Young (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)
30
8
16
37 catches for 400 yards, 5 td
Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 6th pick / 1973 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1973/draft.htm)


LT
Dan Audick (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AudiDa20.htm)
27
4
16
2 fumbles recovered
Pittsburgh Steelers / 4th / 106th pick / 1977 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/draft.htm)


LG
John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
28
4
16

San Francisco 49ers / 8th / 223rd pick / 1976 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1976/draft.htm)


C
Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
25
3
16

San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 175th pick / 1978 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/draft.htm)


RG
Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)*
27
5
16

San Francisco 49ers / 2nd / 42nd pick / 1976 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1976/draft.htm)


RT
Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
29
7
16
2 fumbles recovered
San Francisco 49ers / 2nd / 35th pick

[Avant]

Who can show me a game roster showing Clark at TE?

Here is an actual game. There we see Clark where, yep....WR.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcflzu8bKc0


No cards listing him as a TE, no rosters listing him as a TE, no game footage showing him as the starting TE/just WR.

This is actually a SLAMDUNK, not even close. Clark is without question a WR.

[Blake]

ZyyQNG7-JZU


"Tight end Dwight Clark"

[Avant]

Getting back to SI

The Day The 49ers Struck Gold | Vault - Sports Illustrated


(https://www.si.com/vault/1999/11/29/270673/the-day-the-49ers-struck-gold-january-10-1982-san-francisco-beats-dallas-on-the-catch)https://www.si.com/.../the-day-the-4...an-francisco-b (https://www.si.com/.../the-day-the-49ers-struck-gold-january-10-1982-san-francisco-b)...

Nov 29, 1999 - As San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Dwight Clark soared to make the .... people opened doors, ran into the streets and yelled their lungs out.

[Millennial_Messiah]

TE

[Avant]

TE


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/232887124608-0-1/s-l1000.jpg


Now show me a TE...ok?

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/232887124608-0-1/s-l1000.jpg


Now show me a TE...ok?
Fast, white, smaller, and below average blocker... so is George Kittle also a wideout?

[Avant]

Fast, white, smaller, and below average blocker... so is George Kittle also a wideout?

https://d395i9ljze9h3x.cloudfront.net/req/20180910/images/headshots/KittGe00_2018.jpg
George Kittle

George Kittle
Position: TE
6-4, 250lb (193cm, 113kg)
Team: San Francisco 49ers


(https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2018.htm)Dwight Clark Dwight Edward Clark
Position: WR
6-4, 212lb (193cm, 96kg)
Born: January 8 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/friv/birthdays.cgi?month=1&day=8), 1957 in Kinston, NC


(https://www.pro-football-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?state=NC)



(https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2018.htm)

[Avant]

A 212 pound TE...really?

[Millennial_Messiah]

A 212 pound TE...really?

1980s all football players were smaller... we had 200 pound MLBs for crying out loud. 300 lbs was considered the upper limit for a huge run stuffing 3-4 nose tackle.

[Avant]

1980s all football players were smaller... we had 200 pound MLBs for crying out loud. 300 lbs was considered the upper limit for a huge run stuffing 3-4 nose tackle.

What about all those actual game videos of those Niner games showing Clark playing WR?

What about all his cards....WR?

What about this Niner fan who can talk ever Nner ever knowing he was a WR?

[Avant]

Got this off the Niners site.


However, while looking through the 49ers history, I noticed that there really haven't been that many great tight ends wearing the red, white and gold. As I've said repeatedly, I think Vernon Davis will reach that elite level at some point, but until then, the competition at the all-time TE position is scarce. Accordingly, I've decided to not even hold a vote. Simply put, Brent Jones (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneBr00.htm) is the best tight end in 49ers history and it's not all that close. Jones leads all 49ers tight ends in receptions, yards, touchdowns and Pro Bowl appearances and ranks in the top among all 49ers receivers in receptions, yards and touchdowns.

While Jones was never overrated as a tight end, I don't think he would qualify as underrated. I can't imagine anybody not recognizing the talent of Brent Jones and his major contributions during the 49ers glory days. He earned 3 Super Bowl rings and made four trips to the Pro Bowl. The 49ers had great receivers in Rice and Taylor and a great rushing/receiving threat in Roger Craig, but the importance of Jones to the West Coast offense is considerable. Throw in a streak of 125 consecutive games and you've got not only a franchise great, but an all-time great.

Honorable Mentions: Like I said, there is not a lot in the way of tight end talent in 49ers history. Ted Kwalick (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KwalTe00.htm) was a 3-time Pro Bowler at tight end in the early 70s, while Russ Francis (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranRu00.htm) was the primary TE and immediate predecessor of Brent Jones. I really thought Eric Johnson might have worked his way onto this type of list, but injuries have derailed him and now he's off in New Orleans. If Vernon Davis can continue to improve (he did improve his receptions and yards from year 1 to year 2), I don't see why he won't pass Brent Jones in the 49ers record books. Davis is a receiving tight end who is immensely athletic and could become the primary target of Smith/Hill/whomever. But that's an argument for another day.


Where is Dwight Clark, what.....not even an honorable mention?


Why is he ranked third on that site at WR?

[Avant]

Judge.....I see Mr. Avant with a mountain of evidence proving that Dwight Clark was a WR. He has everything we could ask for, videos, cards, magazines, newspapers, rosters, WIKI, what more is there? Mr.Blake as nothing close to that, a feeble...Joe said....some obvious mistakes made by some reporters.

How funny was witness Spurraider with his......jump way ahead in the that video showing Clark at WR to ....see there he is at TE....hahaha~~ (the court laughs)

There is nothing left to do here but proclaim Dwight Clark a WR and Mr. Avant was right. I have to ask however....Mr. Blake you didn't know Mr, Avant was a long time Niner fan? He can talk Billy Wilson but can't talk Dwight Clark, think about that.

[Pavlov]

"jes' havin' fun"

[Avant]

"jes' havin' fun"


Here you are Pavlov....

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9739831#post9739831)
That NYT tweet to nervous laughter ratio lol.
Nervous about what, TSA?

My laughter was mocking you.

Just having fun mocking someone Pavlov?


How about.....


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274427


(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274427)

[Avant]

Ok, here is that dagger in the heart.

George Kittle breaks Vernon Davis’s single season 49ers record for most receiving yards by a tight end


Davis had 965 yards in a season, the most ever by a Niner TE. Dwight Clark has a 1105 season, so if he were a TE that would have been the record, right?

That should put an end to this silliness. All of us who know football knew Clark was never a TE.

Blake, it's time,ok? How about.....ok ok ok I was wrong...ok?

[Pavlov]

Dude you're still posting about this?

Dumbass.

[Avant]

Dude you're still posting about this?

Dumbass.

We first see you here....

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274427&page=33

....June 6 2018, and you are STILL posting there

Fucking idiot.

[Avant]

Let's reveiw

Game videos showing Clark at WR, none showing him at TE.

Football cards showing Clark as a WR, none showing him as a TE

Niner rosters listing Clark as the WR, none listing him as a TE.

Clark averaging over 13 yards a reception, that is better than any of the great TE's in decades.

Niner site talking the best Niner TE's, no Clark mentioned.

Same site talking the best Niner WR, Clark at number three.

George Kittle breaking the yards records for a Niner TE, he breaks the 965 yard record held by Vernon Davis, Clark has a 1105 season, if a TE that would have been the record.

All the evidence is there. Who can't see that Dwight Clark was a WR?

[Avant]

Add

Kellen Winslow was a GREAT TE, his career avg per catch....12.5, his best season 14.5.

He was a far better player than Dwight Clark, yet, here are Clarks numbers...13.3/16.9.....how can that be, hell Winslow is in the Hall of Fame. Could it be....Clark has WR numbers and Winslow has TE, ya think?

And, Clark was a 212 pounder, that's kinda light for TE.

[Avant]

Tony Gonzalez is considered the greatest TE to ever play the game, his numbers are staggering, BUT......

He averaged 11.4 yards a catch, his best season ever a 12.9.

Clark had that 13.3/16.9.

So Dwight Clark as a TE had more yards than Winslow and Gonzalez per catch? Try..nope. He had a WR average, not a TE.

How could anyone not get this?

NY Times Magazine

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/27/magazine/lives-they-lived-dwight-clark.html

The play that led to the pass that led to The Catch was called Sprint Right Option. The primary target was the speedy Freddie Solomon; the second was Dwight Clark, a wide receiver no one except the San Francisco 49ers’ coach, Bill Walsh, thought could be an N.F.L. star. The Clark option rarely worked in practice — Joe Montana would throw the ball too high or too low. Targeting Solomon was typically a better bet, except in the last minute of the fourth quarter on that chilly January night at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, when Solomon slipped on the soggy grass.
It was 1982, and the San Francisco 49ers were still “lovable losers destined to break your heart,” recalls the longtime sportswriter and N.F.L. Network analyst Michael Silver, who grew up a 49ers fan. The Dallas Cowboys, the 49ers’ opponent in that night’s N.F.C. championship game, had dominated the previous decade and reeked of the imperiousness that came with being anointed “America’s Team.”

[Avant]

I saved this for last.


Go here

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/

It is real easy to register, takes about 20 minutes to get back to your e-mail.

Now ask those Niner fans......What position did Dwight Clark play......you won't see one...TE. And, if somebody did....TE...watch how many "nope, you are wrong".


I can talk Gary Lewis, Vic Washington, Paul Hofer, Delvin Williams, Ricky Patton, talk Niners from the 40's but don't know what position Dwight Clark played, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

Niner mug, Niner cap, Niner clock, Niner ruler, Niner coasters, Niner book, Niner pencils, but don't know where Dwight Clark played, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

Former Idaho basketball R.C. Owens could jump. So he lined up right under the crossbar, yep, gonna jump up and bat down a FG. Yep, he batted down a FG. I know that Niner (with the Colts) lore but not where ......



http://profootballdaly.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-08-14-at-6.59.27-PM.png


R. C. Owens’ one-of-a-kind field-goal block

A couple of years ago, when R. C. Owens (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OwenR.00.htm) died, newspapers mentioned the unusual way he’d once blocked a field goal try for the Colts. From his New York Times obituary (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/sports/football/r-c-owens-wide-receiver-behind-the-alley-oop-dies-at-77.html?_r=0):
In 1962, the 6-foot-3 Owens wowed fans by standing under the goal post at the goal line (goal posts have since been moved to the back of the end zone) and leaping to block a long, line-drive field-goal attempt by the Washington Redskins. The tactic was legislated out of existence.

Unfortunately, none of Owens’ obits featured a photo of his amazing play, perhaps because papers couldn’t find one. I ran into the same problem 25 years ago when I was digging up art for my first book, The Pro Football Chronicle. Nobody had kept the negative — or something.
Too bad. As you can see, R. C. really got up there. He was already on his way down (along with the ball) when this was snapped. Don’t ask me where it came from.


Owens the first Niner to have a 1000 yard season, he and QB Y.A.Tittle famous for the Alley Oop pass. Title throwing oi high, Owens jumping over everyone to snag it.

[Blake]

"SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers will honor former tight end Dwight Clark with a season-long celebration of his life that will include unveiling a statue of "The Catch."

Clark died in June at age 61. He suffered from ALS...."

https://abc7news.com/sports/49ers-to-honor-dwight-clark-with-season-long-celebration/3908618/

[spurraider21]

you wanted a court of law. you had a jury of your peers (ST posters). they ruled in favor of clark being a TE

sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

[Avant]

George Kittle broke the Niner yards record last season, he broke a 965 yard record held by Vernon Davis.

Dwight Clark had a 1105 season, now think.......why wasn't that the TE yards record, well?

[Avant]

you wanted a court of law. you had a jury of your peers (ST posters). they ruled in favor of clark being a TE

sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

So why do we never see Clark listed as a TE on any roster, in any game videos, on any cards? Why didn't he hold that Niner yards record, he had more yards than Vernon Davis? Why is he ranked number three at WR and not ranked at all at TE on that Niner site.

Dude, the guy was not a TE, ok?

[spurraider21]

So why do we never see Clark listed as a TE on any roster, in any game videos, on any cards? Why didn't he hold that Niner yards record, he had more yards than Vernon Davis? Why is he ranked number three at WR and not ranked at all at TE on that Niner site.

Dude, the guy was not a TE, ok?
avante, time for argument is over. you had your chance in the ST court of law. the jury heard your case and reached a verdict.

i'm sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

[Avant]

All anyone has to do is actualy watch any of the youtube videos, it is just that easy. You will see Clarl ay WR not TE.

BINGO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In a court of law that would be it, actual video evidence proving that Clark was a WR not a TE.

What more is there?

Nobody hrere can show anything proving Clark played TE, I have TONS of proof he played WR.

I win and it really wasn't close at all. Just watch a game....BOOM~~~~~~~~~~

[Avant]

avante, time for argument is over. you had your chance in the ST court of law. the jury heard your case and reached a verdict.

i'm sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

So this and all his other cards are wrong?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QhWEUBDR-jw/UGuQeK9kJ7I/AAAAAAAACmY/eXvAfofI8YQ/s1600/clark.jpg




This is wrong?


Starters



*ProBowl, +1st-tm All-Pro (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/allpro.htm)
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Pos
Player
Age
Yrs
GS
Summary of Player Stats
Drafted (tm/rnd/yr)



Offensive Starters







QB
Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
25
2
16
311 for 488, 3,565 yards, 19 td, 12 int, & 25 rushes for 95 yards and 2 td
San Francisco 49ers / 3rd / 82nd pick / 1979 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1979/draft.htm)


RB
Ricky Patton (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PattRi00.htm)
27
3
15
152 rushes for 543 yards, 4 td, & 27 catches for 195 yards and 1 td
Atlanta Falcons / 10th / 257th pick / 1978 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/draft.htm)


FB
Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
24
1
11
98 rushes for 330 yards, 1 td, & 51 catches for 477 yards and 0 td
San Francisco 49ers / 1st / 13th pick / 1980 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1980/draft.htm)


WR
Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)*
24
2
16
85 catches for 1,105 yards, 4 td, & 3 rushes for 32 yards and 0 td
San Francisco 49ers / 10th / 249th pick / 1979 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1979/draft.htm)


WR
Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
28
6
15
59 catches for 969 yards, 8 td, & 9 rushes for 43 yards and 0 td
Miami Dolphins / 2nd / 36th pick / 1975 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1975/draft.htm)


TE
Charle Young (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)
30
8
16
37 catches for 400 yards, 5 td
Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 6th pick / 1973 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1973/draft.htm)


LT
Dan Audick (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AudiDa20.htm)
27
4
16
2 fumbles recovered
Pittsburgh Steelers / 4th / 106th pick / 1977 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/draft.htm)


LG
John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
28
4
16

San Francisco 49ers / 8th / 223rd pick / 1976 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1976/draft.htm)


C
Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
25
3
16

San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 175th pick / 1978 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/draft.htm)


RG
Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)*
27
5
16

San Francisco 49ers / 2nd / 42nd pick / 1976 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1976/draft.htm)


RT
Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
29
7
16
2 fumbles recovered
San Francisco 49ers / 2nd / 35th pick / 1974 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1974/draft.htm)



Defensive Starters








This is wrong?



NY Times Magazine

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ght-clark.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/27/magazine/lives-they-lived-dwight-clark.html)

The play that led to the pass that led to The Catch was called Sprint Right Option. The primary target was the speedy Freddie Solomon; the second was Dwight Clark, a wide receiver no one except the San Francisco 49ers’ coach, Bill Walsh, thought could be an N.F.L. star. The Clark option rarely worked in practice — Joe Montana would throw the ball too high or too low. Targeting Solomon was typically a better bet, except in the last minute of the fourth quarter on that chilly January night at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, when Solomon slipped on the soggy grass.
It was 1982, and the San Francisco 49ers were still “lovable losers destined to break your heart,” recalls the longtime sportswriter and N.F.L. Network analyst Michael Silver, who grew up a 49ers fan. The Dallas Cowboys, the 49ers’ opponent in that night’s N.F.C. championship game, had dominated the previous decade and reeked of the imperiousness that came with being anointed “America’s Team.”

[spurraider21]

So this and all his other cards are wrong?

this is why we have courts. so you can make your argument and have a jury of your peers reach a verdict after carefully considering the arguments and evidence of both sides.

i'm sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

[Avant]

I had a feeling nobody here but myself really knew football, calling Dwight Clark who everybody knows was a WR a TE says it all.

[Avant]

this is why we have courts. so you can make your argument and have a jury of your peers reach a verdict after carefully considering the arguments and evidence of both sides.

i'm sorry it didnt go the way you wanted

Where is any evidence he played TE? What did the game video show? Yep, WR. Where is any card that reads....TE?

Dude, Clark was a WR, no need to expose the posters here as know nothings, so slow that roll.

No court ignores video evidence, where is any where he starts at TE?

What about Charles Young, Russ Francis the real TE;s? What about Clarks 13.3 avg per catch, which is better than all the great TE's, well?

Dude, if you are thinking about going into law, drop that idea.

[spurraider21]

Where is any evidence he played TE? What did the game video show? Yep, WR. Where is any card that reads....TE?

Dude, Clark was a WR, no need to expose the posters here as know nothings, so slow that roll.

No court ignores video evidence, where is any where he starts at TE?

What about Charles Young, Russ Francis the real TE;s? What about Clarks 13.3 avg per catch, which is better than all the great TE's, well?

Dude, if you are thinkin about going into law, drop that idea.
the court of law weighed the evidence and reached a verdict. you presented your case. it was considered.

i'm sorry it didn't go the way you wanted

[Avant]

the court of law weighed the evidence and reached a verdict. you presented your case. it was considered.

i'm sorry it didn't go the way you wanted

Sorry but nobody ignores the facts. The facts prove he was never a TE. The facts show us he played WR.

Obviously the jury wouldn't know a TE or a WR from a LB or a DB.

[spurraider21]

Sorry but nobody ignores the facts. The facts prove he was never a TE. The facts show us he played WR.

Obviously the jury wouldn't know a TE or a WR from a LB or a DB.
The jury considered all the evidence presented and reached a verdict.

I'm sorry it didn't go your way.

[Avant]

The jury considered all the evidence presented and reached a verdict.

I'm sorry it didn't go your way.

It did go my way, I showed proof that Clark was indeed a WR.

Dude, some jury you got there, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

[spurraider21]

It did go my way, I showed proof that Clark was indeed a WR.

Dude, some jury you got there, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~
both sides presented their evidence. you showed your evidence that clark was a WR. blake showed his evidence that clark was a TE.

the jury considered all evidence and reached a verdict. yep, clark was a TE.

you dont have to like their result, but thats the verdict. i'm sorry it didnt go your way

[Avant]

both sides presented their evidence. you showed your evidence that clark was a WR. blake showed his evidence that clark was a TE.

the jury considered all evidence and reached a verdict. yep, clark was a WR.

you dont have to like their result, but thats the verdict. i'm sorry it didnt go your way

Yep, they finally got it right, Clark was a WR.

Cool~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avant]

This is how this is going to work.

Until we see an actual game showing Clark playing TE he didn't.

This proves he played WR.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcflzu8bKc0



Yep, that is just one game, so, where is that one game showing Clark at TE?


If we don't see any video proving he played TE we must go with the one proving he played WR.

YES.....he did line up tIght, there is no doubt about that at all, but......he always played a FAR FAR FaR larger % of his game as what he was a WR. He was always listed as a WR, never a TE.

[spurraider21]

Yep, they finally got it right, Clark was a WR.

Cool~~~~~~~~~~~~
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278253&page=2&p=9741520#post9741520
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278253&page=2&p=9741520#post9741520

theres your verdict

[Blake]

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl

[Avant]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278253&page=2&p=9741520#post9741520
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278253&page=2&p=9741520#post9741520

theres your verdict

Here is the verdict.

both sides presented their evidence. you showed your evidence that clark was a WR. blake showed his evidence that clark was a TE.

the jury considered all evidence and reached a verdict. yep, clark was a WR.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This was just too easy, not that there was any real doubt. Every football fan in the world knows Dwight Clark was a WR. No debate at all.

[Blake]

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl

Too easy

[spurraider21]

Lol clear typo

[Avant]

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl


On that same site.

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl?ref=collections&l=950305&collectionId=2504&li_source=LI&li_medium=desktop-top-collection

[Blake]

On that same site.

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl?ref=collections&l=950305&collectionId=2504&li_source=LI&li_medium=desktop-top-collection

On that same site

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl

[Avant]

Lol clear typo

It's over now, sorry it didn't go your way, yep....bummer? You don't....typo....you just suck it up and ....better luck next time.

[spurraider21]

It's over now, sorry it didn't go your way, yep....bummer? You don't....typo....you just suck it up and ....better luck next time.
im not the jury, though. see the poll results.

[Blake]

It's over now, sorry it didn't go your way, yep....bummer? You don't....typo....you just suck it up and ....better luck next time.

The typo happened after the jury ruled. It's irrelevant. Your testimony as being a super fan is irrelevant. Your whining now is irrelevant.

I win.

[Avant]

On that same site

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl

See number 18

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/top-30-san-francisco-49ers-players-all-time-012617

[Avant]

The typo happened after the jury ruled. It's irrelevant. Your testimony as being a super fan is irrelevant. Your whining now is irrelevant.

I win.

Sorry guy, but without video evidence to match mine you lose. No court in the world would take what you have shown over a real game video. And you know that, or should.


Are you ever going to address just why is it all his cards say....WR? Dude, do you really think they were wrong?

Go to any football forum out there and post....

Dwight Clark was a TE

And watch just how wrong you are. Then try to convince them he really was, go ahead do it.


Blake, all this because you just can never admit you are wrong, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dude, do you really think a guy like myself who can take you back to 1946 the first Niner season, can talk every Niner ever, doesn't know who played what position, really guy, really?

Come on man don't be ridiculous.

[DMC]

Dwight Clark = TE

[Avant]

Dwight Clark = TE

translation

Who is Dwight Clark?

[Avant]

This should finally put this to rest, the final nail in the coffin.

Here are the top WR's of the 80's, we find Clark ranked 4.


https://www.ranker.com/list/best-80s-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl


Here are the top TE's of the 80's



(https://www.ranker.com/list/best-80s-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl)https://www.ranker.com/list/best-80s-tight-ends/ranker-nfl


Dwight Clark no mention at all.


That has gotta prove once a for all that no the guy was not a TE and yes he was a WR.

What more can there be?

Sure, just messing with ya guy, will work, I can go with that, just don't ignore reality over and over again it looks idiotic. Staring Right at a card that reads....WIDE RECEIVER...and saying, he was a TE.......HAHAHAHAHAHA~~~~~~

[Avant]

Judge...so we have new evidence, it appears that Dwight Clark was a highly ranked WR in his day, we see a 4th best WR. Now, when looking at him as a TE we see nothing, no mention at all. Well......that pretty much wraps this silliness up, anyone disagree? (everyone agreed).

The final say of this court is this.

Dwight Clark is a WR, so good job Mr Avant, you overwelmed us with evidence proving your side, ever thought of being a lawyer? Anyway.....Mr. Blake, it was as if you never really caught on to what true evidence really is. No video evidence, no rosters, no nothing actually showing Clark being a TE. Trust me....but Joe said......was never going to work, how you thought it would..??? You were shown numerous football cards all reading WR, which you just ignored, when you finally found one that mentioned he played some TE you freaked out, but....you didn't see....WIDE RECEIVER?

Ok, case closed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is absolutely no doubt of any kind that Clark was a WR and not a TE. How anyone couldn't see this....???

Done~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Some traveling music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRZTAmcW7c

[Blake]

Judge...so we looking at him as a TE we see nothing, no mention at all. Well......that pretty much wraps this silliness up, anyone disagree?


Dwight Clark is a WR, so good job Mr Avant, you overwelmed us with evidence proving your side, ever thought of being a lawyer? No video evidence, no rosters, no nothing actually showing Clark being a TE.










Blake, nobody ever disputed that the guy plays some TE, ok? I saw him do it, ok?

[Avant]

Blake, you just saw total proof that Clark was not a TE. That is why he wasn't mentioned among the top TE's of the 80's.

We find him as the number 4 WR.

Dude, moving into some other position doesn't change what position you play is, ok? Why are you struggling with that so badly? Hell, Drew Brees moves out to WR....right? He's a WR now? Come on guy.

Dude, ya simply got beat, ok? I get..."I will never ever say I lost"....but ya lost, now let it go.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avant]

Ok now that Blake has been taken care of, this will become a music thread.

Here is one of those hidden gems....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o5_fa5n7KU

[Blake]

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-of-all-time/ranker-nfl

[Avant]

Blake, you already showed that.

Right now I;m over on another site a place that talks football first. It is a football forum but does have sub forums.

I asked those guys there about what postion Clark played, BOOM...WR, then I asked....did he play TE, One guy..."that was Dallas Clark".

Now, will you go with what those guys say? Talking a FAR more football knowledgeable gang there....well? Guys there who can talk the history of it all.

Blake, you're just not getting it, YES Clark has lined up as a TE, I mentioned that right off the bat, BUT....he was never known as a TE...what about that aren't you understanding? Dude, all his cards say...WR...for a reason, yep...WR.

Dude, Jmmy Graham lines up out wide all the time, right? But....he is neverr ever called a WR because he isn't, you really don't get this?

Now I showed you that place you mentioned above showing Clark as the number 4 best WR of the 80's and no mention at al as a TE.

Now here is Clark on that same site as the third greatest WR in Niner history. And there is talk of the best Niner TE's numerous places, Clark is never mentiined at all.

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-san-francisco-49ers-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl?ref=collections&l=950305&collectionId=2504&li_source=LI&li_medium=desktop-top-collection

Blake, come on guy, Clark was a WR who came in tight once in awhile, ok guy?

Will you take what those guys say over there as the end to this....well?

[Blake]

Give me the link to this other site

[Avant]

Give me the link to this other site

Blake, once you see everyone....yep WR...will you admit you were 100% wrong, well?

[Blake]

Give me the link to this other site

[Avant]

Blake, everybody said...WR, ok? Will you take that as the finish of this, and....ok ok I was wrong...well?

[Blake]

Give me the link to this other site

[Blake]

You obviously just made up your little story about this other site.

[Avant]

You obviously just made up your little story about this other site.

Blake there is no site that would agree with you that Clark was a TE, why not give a shot? Come on guy go anywhere trying to sell Clark was a TE. The first thing you will read is this.....you mean Dallas Clark.....he was a TE, Dwight was a WR.

Come on guy do it.

By the way, here are the top five Niner TE;s, guess what, no Clark.

https://ninernoise.com/2018/12/08/49ers-5-best-tight-ends-franchise-history/

[Avant]

In the real world when a guy who can talk the Niners in their AAFC days tells you......Dwight Clark was a WR, people will.....ok thanks. Only here do we see....so what ya have over 55 years following the Niners.

Amazing~~~

The first NFL 1000 yard rusher from one of those HBCU schools (NCA&T) was J.D.Smith a converted college DB. Yep, a Niner.

There has never been any team that had three future Hall of Famer's at RB but the Niners, all there together.

This was...

Joe "Jet" Perry...Compton JC
Hugh "King" McElhenny....Compton JC/Washington
John Henry Johnson ....ASU (a FB)

Their first 1000 yard WR was former Idaho basket baller R. C. Owens, he and QB Y.A.Tittle (and there was C.R. Roberts also...ha~) famous for the Alley Oop pass.

Leo "Lion" Nomellini a lineman and a Hall of Famer as big in the rasslin' biz.

Illinois hurdler Abe Woodson a stud kick returner.

Jim Johnson (HOFer) was the bro of Olympic decathlon gold medalist Rafer Johnson, they grew up in nearby Kingsburgh.

But I don't know what position Dwight Clark played, hahaha~~~~

Who remembers Niners...Gary Lewis, George Mira, Ken Willard? How about....Paul Hofer, Michael Carter, Ricky Patton?

I know what position Dwight Clark played and it wasn't TE.

Hell, according to my Niner clock....10:50 as I sit this whiskey and coke down in this Niner coaster. Wearing a Niner ball cap and sweater. Over there under glass....

Ronnie Lott RC
Joe Montana RC
Jerry Rice RC
Frank Gore RC
Terell Owens RC
Roger Craig RC

I think I know where Dwight Clark played, honest.

[Blake]

You obviously just made up your little story about this other site.

[Avant]

Blake, I gave you a deal. Will you accept ....he was a WR.....which is the consensus? Will you...ok I was wrong...well?

[Blake]

Lol.

My deal is that you made up a story about a message board where everyone agrees with you.

You're a loser and a liar

[Avant]

Lol.

My deal is that you made up a story about a message board where everyone agrees with you.

You're a loser and a liar

Blake, it's never been about everyone agrees with me, it's about EVERYONE knows that Dwight Clark was a WR.

Dude, a loser is a guy who ignores all his football cards, actual game footage, a Niner site listing the best Niner TE and he isn't mentioned, a site talking the best WR's of the 80's and he is number 4, then when talking TE's, no mention at all. That is a loser and you lost, why are you STILL failing to realize the obvious? Blake ya got beat accept it, ok man?

Blake, do you really think I only post here? The reason I do post here is because we can talk like this, this isn't allowed anywhere else. And that sucks.

Here is the deal, now pay attention.

I am trying to get more posters involved which is hard to do with something that simple. How many will....yep, WR?

When I see that's it and nobody else has a take then I will show you that NOBODY said....he was a TE...BUT....only if you promise to.....ok ok ok I was wrong he was not a TE.....deal?

Then there is always....

You go to any football forum on the internet and ask the question....Was Dwight Clark a TE..........watch what happens everywhere you ask that question, you wil read....WR. And if somebody...TE...watch how quickly he gets mugged with...WRONG.

You never even watched any of those videos at all did ya?

Challenge to everyone.

Find any football forum ask if Clark was a TE, if more posters say...TE than WR.....my days here are done, yep....poof~~~ gone.

Everybody who knows football knows players move from position to position, but they all have a position, a roster spot. Blake can't seem to figure this out.

[Blake]

Lol.

My deal is that you made up a story about a message board where everyone agrees with you.

You're a loser and a liar

[Avant]

So you finally accepted you're beat so just trolling now.

Blake, go anywhere and talk Clark being a TE....ok?

Google....What position did Dwight Clark play. This is what you'll see.

Dwight Clark/Position
Wide receiver

....why?

Go ahead try it.

Wiki

Dwight Clark - Wikipedia


(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiizM7bqpfhAhWaIDQIHTw1CLQQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDwight _Clark&usg=AOvVaw2U7PZBB11O6-xJYd7s4YCl)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Clark

Dwight Edward Clark (January 8, 1957 – June 4, 2018) was an American football wide receiver and executive. He played nine seasons for the San Francisco ...

Blake, this...I will NEVER EVER admit I got it wrong NEVER.......hahahaha~~~~~

Joe Montana could post here.....Blake, you misunderstood me, I was talking about how Dwight would have played center if we needed him there. We had a few plays where he'd come n tight, but was always a WR, ok? Sorry but Avant gets it and you don't.

Blake.....nope, he was a TE.

Joe Montana.....take it easy on him Avant, maybe just agree with him, he seems a bit unstable.

Do you even look at any of this?

New York Post

https://nypost.com/2018/06/04/dwight-clark-famous-for-the-catch-dies-at-61/

[Avant]

Here ya go Blake.

https://49ersfaithfulforum.com/

Register and post a thread.......What position did Dwight Clark play.....ok?

[Blake]

Give me the link to this other site

Pussy

[Avant]

Pussy

Blake, I gave you the deal, why aren't you taking it?

[Avant]

Madden game
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV2nXF6XUAAOKLV.jpg

[Avant]

Notice we have yet to see anything that says.....TE...?

Football card companies....WR
Video games.....WR

Blake it really is time to toss in the towell, you're beat son.

Here is every roster in Niner history (I think, stopped after the Clark years) go to the 80's.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/lineups.htm

We always see....Dwight Clark WR, we never see him at TE.

Blake, you can this......ok ok I was wrong....ok?

[Chucho]

Why not just let it go, Larry?

[Avant]

Why not just let it go, Larry?

Dude
1 Minute Ago #83 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278360&p=9748817&viewfull=1#post9748817)
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https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9748815#post9748815)
I am still waiting to hear where you're getting this black transvestite from...



Your seriously going to deny your wish casting of Serena William's having a dick? Or Mooch Obama? Or praying for Reck's return? You want lady men. Your stock cant get any lower here and you're only hurting you with such bogus denial.




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Be true to yourself, derp.




Why not just let it go Chucho?

[Chucho]

Dude
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https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9748815#post9748815)
I am still waiting to hear where you're getting this black transvestite from...



Your seriously going to deny your wish casting of Serena William's having a dick? Or Mooch Obama? Or praying for Reck's return? You want lady men. Your stock cant get any lower here and you're only hurting you with such bogus denial.




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Be true to yourself, derp.




Why not just let it go Chucho?

Because I'm right and you've been told you were wrong by a judge and a democratic poll.

[Avant]

Because I'm right and you've been told you were wrong by a judge and a democratic poll.

Dude, EVERYBODY knows Dwight Clark was WR....

See


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/J6exJdrhAiI/maxresdefault.jpg


I am 100% right and EVERYBODY knows it.

Chucho, let it go, ok? And, why do you follow Spur around and me?

Here is every season roster in Niner history.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/lineups.htm

Dwight Clark is always at WR, never at TE.

That is it, it's totally over.

We never see.....Tight End.
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Here is an actual game, all anyone has to do is watch, BINGO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcflzu8bKc0


Only here could this even be debated at all, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~

See the list of starters, see......WR Dwight Clark?

[Avant]

Watching a replay of last seasons Chiefs vs Pats game, just saw Tyreek Hill line up at RB (which he was in college) and take a pitch out, so he's now a WR/RB?

No he's not.

[Blake]

Blake, I gave you the deal, why aren't you taking it?

Because you don't have the leverage in the deal. I do.

Right now all I have to do is call you a liar and it's done.

[spurraider21]

seeing the small ignore box instead of his stupid posts is such a nice cosmetic change tbh

[Avant]

Because you don't have the leverage in the deal. I do.

Right now all I have to do is call you a liar and it's done.

I just showed you Niner rosters for every season Clark played, there he is at WR, how about some grunt or something, ok?

Dude, just watch any game on youtube, and there he is....WR.

Do you really think I don't post other places? I just don't want you there.

[Avant]

I challenge anyone to show any actual game footage where Clark was listed as a TE.

Any football card that lists Clark...TE

Any Niner roster that reads Clark TE.

Any video game where Clark is a TE.

Any ranking where he is a TE.

Where is that at?

[Blake]

Any football card that lists Clark...TE

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/la4AAOSwXrBbGTwg/s-l1600.jpg

[Avant]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/la4AAOSwXrBbGTwg/s-l1600.jpg

That right there says it all. Blake, you haven't ever really gotten this at all, and that proves it.

Dude, see where it reads.....WIDE RECEIVER...? That is what he is listed as, ok guy? What about this don't you understand? The guy was NEVER called a TE, never thought of as a TE, never considered to be a TE.........my God guy. Did he once in awhile come in tight.....sure. BUT....the guy never played the TE position.

Are you kidding me?


Talk to me about this, stop ignoring it.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/lineups.htm

[Avant]

Blake, why do you ignore everything? What about those cards, how about that Madden game? Well?

Why do ALL his cards read...WR....well?

[Blake]

That right there says it all. Blake

Yes it does.

"Tight end..... Or wide receiver....... Extremely effective from either spot"

[Avant]

Yes it does.

"Tight end..... Or wide receiver....... Extremely effective from either spot"

Blake, what does this tell you?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/lineups.htm

[Blake]

Any football card that lists Clark...TE

What did the football card tell you.

"He lined up at tight end"

If it hardly happened, why mention it?

Why have so many media outlets mentioned it?

[Avant]

What did the football card tell you.

"He lined up at tight end"

If it hardly happened, why mention it?

Why have so many media outlets mentioned it?

Blake, talk to me about this, ok?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/lineups.htm

[Avant]

In any actual court of law all that would be needed is actual game footage of Clark playing WR and none of him playing TE. That is all that would matter. I have absolute proof he played WR, Blake has....nothing.

Blake, it really is time you showed Clark playing TE like he did WR in a game, so where is it?

I can show any Niner game from 81-86 knowing it will prove my point, why can't you do that......well?

[Blake]

In any actual court of law all that would be needed is actual game footage of Clark playing WR and none of him playing TE. That is all that would matter. I have absolute proof he played WR, Blake has....nothing.

I have the football card you asked for.

You're a buffoon

[Avant]

I have the football card you asked for.

You're a buffoon

No you don't, the cards reads..........WIDE RECEIVER....as his position.

Blake, do your best ok?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS...Clark would line up tight....ok? EVERYBODY....knows this, alright? BUT....................his position and where he spent 90% of his time was at WR, He was always considered to be a WR, what about that don't you get? He was NEVER thought of as a TE.....ok?

Blake, are you retarded?

What about this don't you understand?

1986 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1986.htm)


10-5-1
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)
RB Joe Cribbs (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CribJo00.htm)
FB Roger Craig (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CraiRo00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Jerry Rice (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm)*+
TE Russ Francis (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranRu00.htm)
LT Bubba Paris (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PariBu20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
LDE Jeff Stover (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StovJe20.htm)
NT Michael Carter (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CartMi01.htm)
RDE Dwaine Board (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoarDw20.htm)
LOLB Milt McColl (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoMi20.htm)
LILB Riki Ellison (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElliRi20.htm)
RILB Jim Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnJi20.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)
LCB Tim McKyer (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McKyTi20.htm)
RCB Don Griffin (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifDo21.htm)
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)
FS Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)*+
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Max Runager (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RunaMa20.htm)
PR Don Griffin (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifDo21.htm)
KR Derrick Crawford (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrawDe21.htm)


1985 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1985.htm)
10-6-0
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
RB Wendell Tyler (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TyleWe00.htm)
FB Roger Craig (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CraiRo00.htm)*
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Russ Francis (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranRu00.htm)
LT Bubba Paris (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PariBu20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)*
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
LDE Jeff Stover (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StovJe20.htm)
NT Michael Carter (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CartMi01.htm)*
RDE Dwaine Board (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoarDw20.htm)
LOLB Todd Shell (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/ShelTo20.htm)
LILB Riki Ellison (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElliRi20.htm)
RILB Mike Walter (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WaltMi20.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)
LCB Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)
RCB Eric Wright (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEr00.htm)*+
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)*
FS Dwight Hicks (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HickDw00.htm)
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Max Runager (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RunaMa20.htm)
PR Dana McLemore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McLeDa20.htm)
KR Carl Monroe (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MonrCa00.htm)


1984 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1984.htm)
15-1-0
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
RB Wendell Tyler (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TyleWe00.htm)*
FB Roger Craig (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CraiRo00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
LT Bubba Paris (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PariBu20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)*
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)*
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)*+
LDE Jim Stuckey (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StucJi20.htm)
NT Manu Tuiasosopo (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TuiaMa20.htm)
RDE Dwaine Board (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoarDw20.htm)
LOLB Dan Bunz (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BunzDa20.htm)
LILB Riki Ellison (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElliRi20.htm)
RILB Jack Reynolds (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReynJa00.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)*
LCB Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)*
RCB Eric Wright (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEr00.htm)*
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)*
FS Dwight Hicks (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HickDw00.htm)*
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Max Runager (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RunaMa20.htm)
PR Dana McLemore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McLeDa20.htm)
KR Carl Monroe (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MonrCa00.htm)


1983 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1983.htm)
10-6-0
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
RB Wendell Tyler (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TyleWe00.htm)
FB Roger Craig (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CraiRo00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Russ Francis (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranRu00.htm)
LT Bubba Paris (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PariBu20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
LDE Lawrence Pillers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PillLa20.htm)
NT Pete Kugler (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KuglPe20.htm)
RDE Dwaine Board (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoarDw20.htm)
LOLB Willie Harper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarpWi20.htm)
LILB Riki Ellison (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElliRi20.htm)
RILB Jack Reynolds (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReynJa00.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)
LCB Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)*
RCB Eric Wright (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEr00.htm)
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)
FS Dwight Hicks (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HickDw00.htm)*
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Tom Orosz (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrosTo20.htm)
PR Dana McLemore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McLeDa20.htm)
KR Dana McLemore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McLeDa20.htm)


1982 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1982.htm)
3-6-0
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)
RB Jeff Moore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorJe01.htm)
FB Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)*+
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Charle Young (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)
LT Lindsey Mason (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MasoLi20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)*
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
LDE Jim Stuckey (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StucJi20.htm)
NT John Harty (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HartJo20.htm)
RDE Lawrence Pillers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PillLa20.htm)
LOLB Willie Harper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarpWi20.htm)
LILB Jack Reynolds (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReynJa00.htm)
RILB Bob Horn (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HornBo20.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)
LCB Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)*
RCB Eric Wright (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEr00.htm)
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)
FS Dwight Hicks (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HickDw00.htm)*
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Jim Miller (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillJi22.htm)
PR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
KR Dana McLemore (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McLeDa20.htm)


1981 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1981.htm)
13-3-0
QB Joe Montana (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm)*
RB Ricky Patton (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PattRi00.htm)
FB Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)*
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Charle Young (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)
LT Dan Audick (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AudiDa20.htm)
LG John Ayers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AyerJo20.htm)
C Fred Quillan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuilFr00.htm)
RG Randy Cross (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrosRa00.htm)*
RT Keith Fahnhorst (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FahnKe00.htm)
LDE Jim Stuckey (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StucJi20.htm)
NT Archie Reese (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReesAr20.htm)
RDE Dwaine Board (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoarDw20.htm)
LOLB Willie Harper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarpWi20.htm)
LILB Dan Bunz (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BunzDa20.htm)
RILB Jack Reynolds (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReynJa00.htm)
ROLB Keena Turner (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TurnKe01.htm)
LCB Ronnie Lott (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm)*+
RCB Eric Wright (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEr00.htm)
SS Carlton Williamson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa01.htm)
FS Dwight Hicks (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HickDw00.htm)*
K Ray Wersching (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/werscray01.htm)
P Jim Miller (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillJi22.htm)
PR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
KR Amos Lawrence (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LawrAm20.htm)


1980 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/1980.htm)
6-10-0
QB Steve DeBerg (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DebeSt00.htm)
RB Paul Hofer (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HofePa00.htm)
FB Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Charle Young (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)



At no time in his career do we ever see........................TE..............ok guy?

Blake, just how damn stupid are you?

Dude, let's have it................ok ok ok I was wrong, yes ya kicked my ass, yes Clark was a WR and not a TE, I was 100%..................WRONG.

[Avant]

I have never seen anyone like this Blake freak. The guy will never admit he fucked up and is wrong no matter how mauch ya toss at him.

Blake, why is it all his football cards read...........WR. He just ignores the question.

Blake.....here is game video showing Clark at WR, he just ignores it.

Blake, here is a Madden game, see...Clarke WR? He never says a word.

Blake, here are Niners rosters from 81 to 86, see.....Clarke WR? He ignores them,

Well this freak got his ass totally kicked and it was fun kicking this idiots ass, the guy is beyond stupid if he can;t figure out I know the Niners and Clark was a WR.

Blake, you got whipped son, time to admit it, ok?

Stupid, there is nobody in the world who can talk the Niners on my level, dead serious...................Dwight Clark was a WR.

Talk to me about C.R.Roberts, yep, no clue, want me to take you to school on who he was? That is where I'm at dummy, don't you think I'm going to know about Dwight Clark? Anything about him being a TE is 100% wrong and those who wrote that don't know football. And yes I know more about it than they do being a fan a lot longer.

[Blake]

What did the football card tell you.

"He lined up at tight end"

If it hardly happened, why mention it?

Why have so many media outlets mentioned it?

[Avant]

Blake, what do you think of what I just showed you, well? Talk to me about why on all those rosters we never see Clark at TE......well? Blake, stop ignoring what I'm showing you. So why do we see him only at WR.....well?

I showed you were he's a WR in that Madden game, don't ignore it. What do you think about it....well?

And, do you really think TOPPS would have got it wrong all those years listing him as a....WR?

Dude, post any Niner game video ya want and we will not see Clark as the TE. Not saying he will never come in tight but it real be real obvious he is the WR. Just watch any game and there it is.

Blake, a Niner fan isn't going to know the Dwight Clark story....really?

[Blake]

In a court of law in this case, documents and expert testimony saying he also played tight end would likely suffice.

I've got both. You lose.

[Avant]

Blake, pay attention.

Nobody is saying the guy never played in tight, I told you I've seen him line up at the TE position a few times...ok guy? Just like Jimmy Graham lines up out wide. BUT....BUT....his position, his roster spot, his pay, had him at the WR position. What about that don't you get? My God guy you really can't figure this out.......really?

I just showed you the guys who did play TE when Clark was there, what did that tell you? The fact we see him listed as a WR for all those years doesn't send a message?

Dude, at no time in his career did Dwight Clark ever come into any game as the TE, ok guy? Would he have a play where he came in tight...sure. But he was always a WR.

Blake, it would be just this simple.

Avante....here are all his games on video watch them for yourselves court. Now where did Clark play?

They would all come back....he was a WR.

Dude. you're whipped. you lost, and everybody knows it. Go ahead Blake.....ok ok ok I was wrong.

No such thing as a WR/TE on any roster.

[Blake]

Montana:

“He’ll do everything you want him to. He’ll block downfield. He’ll come in tight and be a small tight end. He never even questioned it..."

https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-dwight-clark-als-20180109-story.html

[Avant]

Blake......what is Montana telling us there? Where is....he'll come in.....from? Dude, where is he at to have to....he'll come in.....well?

Dude, are you for real? Montana is saying.........as a WR he'd still come in and play TE if need be......ok? BUT.....as you saw numerous times his position was always....WR. Montana telling you that with...........he'll come in. If he were a TE he's already be there.

Wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm taking the win, it's getting stupid now, Blake got his ass kicked and it was fun doing it.

Blake, ya took a beating son, surprised ya can still type.

Just watch any Niner game from 80-86 and there it is. Dwight Clark WR.

At no time do we ever see....TE Dwight Clark


QB Steve DeBerg (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DebeSt00.htm)
RB Paul Hofer (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HofePa00.htm)
FB Earl Cooper (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopEa00.htm)
WR Dwight Clark (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarDw00.htm)
WR Freddie Solomon (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SoloFr01.htm)
TE Charle Young


(https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh00.htm)

[Blake]

Sports Illustrated: TE
Associated Press: TE
USA Today: TE
Sacramento Bee: TE
Joe Montana: "he played some TE"



Avante: :cry they're all wrong I'm a historian I'm a historian I've got cards :cry

[Avant]

Blake, that proves you don't read what I;m bringing. I already showed you all those places calling Clark a WR....also. And....Forbes, Chicago Tribune, NY Times. a paper in Houston. Want me to find it for you?

Dude, what about......just watch actual game footage....don't you get? Where is any game footage where he is the TE?

Go to post 213 in this thread (page 7) there are all those places and more calling Clark a WR.

[Spurtacular]

Got to be honest. This thread delivered. Props to Avant and Blake for rising above the mean.

[Avant]

Got to be honest. This thread delivered. Props to Avant (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54054) and Blake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) for rising above the mean.

Thanks.

What is strange and I do get what Blake is saying, is how many times we do read....tight end Dwight Clark. Real easy to see a non Niner fan thinking he was a TE. But....when a known Niner fan of over 50 years tells you......actually he was a WR, honest.....then ya....ok thanks.

[Blake]

The court already ruled.

[Avant]

Blake, I have that video evidence proving Clark was a WR. You have nothing.

Dude, ya lost, ok?

No court in the world ignores this..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcflzu8bKc0


Come on Blake, where is your PROOF Clark was a TE?

Dude, you lost, deal with it.

This from 1985



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNneXNKNeF4


What do you have, yep......................nothing.

[Avant]

Have another Blake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6jgg8DmCU

There is my proof Clark was a WR, whatcha got.............well?

Blake, ever thought of actually watching just some of those videos? You haven't watch anything have you?

[Blake]

Who can prove Clark ever played TE, well?

[Blake]

........as a WR he'd still come in and play TE if need be......ok?

[Avant]

Blake, you have never really got this at all, And I've explained it to you a dozen times.

Please pay "close" attention, ok?

I told you early in this YES...YES...YES...Clark came in tight, he played the TE position...ok guy? BUT....at no time was he ever thought of or considered to be a TE....ok guy?

Dude, stop with this silliness, ok? Just look at any actual game footage, why aren't you doing that? The guy never ever stated a game as THE TE...ok Blake? Watch any game he ever played and 98% of the time....WR. Dude, watch any game and there it is.

Blake, ya got beat, time to simply....ok ok I was wrong he was a WR and not a TE.

[Chucho]

Good lord you fucking retard, just give it the fuck up already. nobody gives a shit about what you think. this is not open for debate any more you dumb fuck. there was a trial and there was a poll. You got beat the fuck up in both. Just leave it alone.

[Avant]

Good lord you fucking retard, just give it the fuck up already. nobody gives a shit about what you think. this is not open for debate any more you dumb fuck. there was a trial and there was a poll. You got beat the fuck up in both. Just leave it alone.

Chucho, you think a kid in middle school can run a 20.00. That says shut up about spots talk of any kind.

Dude, you ever going to post a thread or do anything other than leech off everybody else?

And, Dwight Clark was a WR, you can't read? See............WR........?


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/I~4AAOSw9P1cjTQT/s-l640.jpg

[Chucho]

Chucho, you think a kid in middle school can run a 20.00. That says shut up about spots talk of any kind.

Dude, you ever going to post a thread or do anything other than leech off everybody else?

And, Dwight Clark was a WR, you can't read? See............WR........?


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/I~4AAOSw9P1cjTQT/s-l640.jpg

You're the fucking moron who thinks I think a kid ran a 20 second whatever the fuck the race is. Dipshit pedophile.

[Blake]

Nah, a real court of law would be ok with the evidence I've provided.

You lose.

[Avant]

Dude, a court would watch three/four youtube videos, they'd see Clark at WR.

You lost Blake, time to ....ok ok I was wrong.

[Avant]

You're the fucking moron who thinks I think a kid ran a 20 second whatever the fuck the race is. Dipshit pedophile.

Stupid, it was..."if SFS said he ran a 20.00 as a kid, then he did", dude that is humanly impossible and you should know that.

So why do all of Clarks cards read...WR...well?

Why no TE?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SRVXNXmVL.jpg

[Avant]

Really am bored with this now, OBVIOUSLY Dwight Clark was a WR,not even a debate at all.

Blake lost and that is also OBVIOUS. Just watch any game video and BOOM....WR.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Moving on.

Blacks have far cooler names that us Okies do.

Zion
Ivory
Elijah
Haven
Cyril
Mozelle
Savante
Theolonious
Hiawatha
Vonteze
Evander
Deoantarius
Trendarvis
Gloster
Laidanian
Eulace
Revey
Alonzo
Theotis
Vernus
Alphonso
Vestee
Vesco
Houston
Israel

Fair Hooker
Handsome Wearing
Tyrone Whatley
X.L. Emerson
Ebanizer Edmons
Huelon Hewritt