Manu bench points scored? - Lou Williams record

[lmbebo]

Hi

Read the stuff about Lou Williams having scored the most bench points in NBA history, passing Dell Curry and Jamal Crawford? Anyways, expected Manu to be up there as well. Maybe McHale?

Anyone have a link to that record?

[lmbebo]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&is_playoffs=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_starter=N&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&order_by=pts

Found my own answer

[Play Boban]

Lou Williams is a hollow points scorer. Empty stats. Manu brought the intangibles fwiw tbh.

[EP Money Man]

From that chart, Manu is 7th. But what’s impressive is he has lowest FG attempts of the ones ahead of him and he has one of the lower minutes played.

Like a baawwssss!

[Mirrornick]

Manu began his nba career at the age of 25. Didn't really start scoring until 27. Had he started at 19, he would hold the record for a long time.

[Drom John]

7 Manu Ginobili
15 Dale Ellis
16 Antoine Carr
26 Marco Belinelli
32 Steve Kerr
55 Terry Porter
59 Danny Ferry
62 Patty Mills
69 Malik Rose
75 Jerome Kersey
78 Tyrone Corbin
90 Matt Bonner
99 Kevin Willis

[spurraider21]

manu also started a bunch... he wanst a 6th man his whole career

manu started 349 of his 1057 nba games, which is about a 3rd of his NBA career. to put that into some perspective, starting 349 games is over 4 full seasons worth.

[Drom John]

Spurs as Spurs
1 Manu Ginobili
2 Patty Mills
3 Malik Rose
4 Matt Bonner
5 Boris Diaw
6 Chuck Person
7 Marco Belinelli
8 Antonio Daniels
9 Gary Neal
10 Brent Barry

[ZeusWillJudge]

As mentioned above, Manu started a lot of games - so the number of bench games for him is lower. He also played for Pop, on teams that were always among the slowest pace teams in the league. When you're playing in slow-pace games, you're putting up fewer total shots. No way around it.

When you look at the total package - PTS, AST, RB, STL, BLK, 2P%, 3P%, FTA you see that Manu was probably more of a complete player than the six guys above him on the points list. And that doesn't take into account that Manu was a damn tough defender, on a team that demanded playing on both ends of the floor.

Bot don't take anything away from the guys above him on the list. Every one of them were/are damn good ballers.

[TimmyBuckets]

Manu is in the same league as Wade. No comparison. Let the dude score his points. Empty stats. Please see 2005 Pistons series. Dude's a fucking (4x) champion.

[skin27]

Manu is in the same league as Wade. No comparison. Let the dude score his points. Empty stats. Please see 2005 Pistons series. Dude's a fucking (4x) champion.


nope, wade had a higher ceiling

[Spurtacular]

nope, wade had a higher ceiling

He needed charity to beat Dirk in 06, tbh.

[TimmyBuckets]

nope, wade had a higher ceiling

Respectfully disagree.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Manu is in the same league as Wade. No comparison. Let the dude score his points. Empty stats. Please see 2005 Pistons series. Dude's a fucking (4x) champion.

nope, wade had a higher ceiling

Respectfully disagree.


WTF are you two yammering about? Higher ceiling? One guy is retired, and the other is done this year, and you're talking about ceiling?

[buttsR4rebounding]

WTF are you two yammering about? Higher ceiling? One guy is retired, and the other is done this year, and you're talking about ceiling?

Manu's Living room has a 14 foot ceiling, Wade's Living room a 12 foot ceiling.

[monty4329]

Manu began his nba career at the age of 25. Didn't really start scoring until 27. Had he started at 19, he would hold the record for a long time.

If manu started in the NBA at 19, he would become a starter in a couple years and never relinquish the role. It was different at 24.

[monty4329]

nope, wade had a higher ceiling

Nobody is copying Wade style, he didn't innovate anything. Super player, for sure, but didn't add anything to "the basketball". Manu changed basketball in many ways.

[skin27]

Nobody is copying Wade style, he didn't innovate anything. Super player, for sure, but didn't add anything to "the basketball". Manu changed basketball in many ways.

so what if somebody copied manu? It will not erase the fact that wade was a better nba player than manu..

manu Was a better 3pt shooter and passer though..that’s it.

[Play Boban]

Manu began his nba career at the age of 25. Didn't really start scoring until 27. Had he started at 19, he would hold the record for a long time.

And he didn't start coming off the bench much until 2008 or so

[monty4329]

so what if somebody copied manu? It will not erase the fact that wade was a better nba player than manu..

manu Was a better 3pt shooter and passer though..that’s it.

No he wasn't. Ginobili was an innovator and that, by definition, makes him a "better player". You mix up flashyness, dunks, all-star-game adolescent entertainement with basketball. Different things, by a mile.

[skin27]

And he didn't start coming off the bench much until 2008 or so

he started playing off the bench in 2006 or 2007.

[skin27]

No he wasn't. Ginobili was an innovator and that, by definition, makes him a "better player". You mix up flashyness, dunks, all-star-game adolescent entertainement with basketball. Different things, by a mile.

wade is better, don’t discredit the accolades.

[Play Boban]

he started playing off the bench in 2006 or 2007.

True, although he did still start a significant amount of games in the 2007 and 2008 seasons, and then started 79/80 games in 2010-2011.

[superbigtime]

wade is better, don’t discredit the accolades.

yeah that .29 career 3 point %age is pretty dazzling.

[skin27]

True, although he did still start a significant amount of games in the 2007 and 2008 seasons, and then started 79/80 games in 2010-2011.

even in 2003 he played of the bench..

[BackHome]

Wade played in the EAST end of discussion.

[RC_Drunkford]

Prime Wade is not better than prime Manu

[ZeusWillJudge]

Manu's Living room has a 14 foot ceiling, Wade's Living room a 12 foot ceiling.

LMAO! Perfect.

I stand corrected. The ceiling discussion is more meaningful than most of the rest of this.

[skin27]

Prime Wade is not better than prime Manu


2009 wade is better than any of manu’s season..

[Play Boban]

even in 2003 he played of the bench..

I know.

[diego]

guess who these statlines (playoff per100 possessions) belong to:

FGA: 29.1 FG%: .476 3P%: .359 2P%: .518 FTA: 10.8 TRB: 6.8 AST: 8.0 STL: 1.6 BLK: 1.8 TO: 6.2 PF: 4.1 PTS: 38.7 ORTG: 107 DRTG: 106 NET:+1

FGA: 18.3 FG%: .463 3P%: .382 2P%: .505 FTA: 9.9 TRB: 8.5 AST: 6.0 STL: 2.7 BLK: .6 TO: 4.0 PF: 5.2 PTS: 27.2 ORTG: 116 DRTG: 102 NET: +14

FGA: 23.9 FG%: .475 3P%: .298 2P%: .491 FTA: 8.8 TRB: 7.7 AST: 6.4 STL: 2.4 BLK: 1.5 TO: 4.2 PF: 3.7 PTS: 30 ORTG: 107 DRTG: 104 NET: +3

FGA: 21.9 FG%: .412 3P%: .368 2P%: .444 FTA: 9.2 TRB: 7.4 AST: 7.1 STL: 2.4 BLK: 0.4 TO: 4.2 PF: 4.9 PTS: 29.4 ORTG: 110 DRTG: 104 NET: +6

Ive always considered them very similar. Manu is slightly better on O, wade is slightly better on D. who was more durable spurs fans?? wade will finish his career with less games than manu but substantially more minutes; he'll also have significantly more negative net rating seasons than manu did, and if manu had retired at wade's age manu wouldnt have had any negative seasons at all- wade had some even in his prime.