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timvp
03-21-2019, 02:31 AM
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Classic trap game. A game after an emotional win against the Warriors and a game before a pivotal game against the Rockets, the Spurs were in San Antonio to take on a Heat that had won seven of their previous nine games, with their two losses coming against the top two teams in the East: Milwaukee and Toronto.

Unfortunately, the Spurs came out of the gates without any energy on Wednesday night. The offense was stuck in mud; the defense was porous and noncombative. Miami held control of the game for much of the first 36 minutes, growing their advantage to as fat as 18 points.

In the fourth quarter, the good guys finally woke up. They entered the period trailing by 12 points but eventually battled all the way back. Rudy Gay shot and missed a three-pointer that could have tied it with 38 seconds remaining. With the Spurs still trailing by three, DeMar DeRozan blocked a shot and snared the rebound with ten seconds left in regulation. However, Dwyane Wade -- in his final game in San Antonio -- stole the ball to seal the victory for the Heat.

As it turned out, it was simply too little, too late for the Spurs. The lack of energy in the first three quarters was too much to overcome. And let's give the Heat credit, as their zone-happy, trap-happy defense discombobulated the wary Spurs and they undeniably played harder for more of the 48 minutes.

That was a disappointing way for San Antonio's nine-game winning streak to end. Let's hope they can get back on the horse on Friday when they do battle in Houston.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
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LaMarcus Aldridge's statistics look fine but he was one of the leading culprits of San Antonio's low energy ways. He wasn't involved much offensively, mostly because he wasn't running the court as hard as usual or battling for low post position as often as usual. Defensively, he was decent to good in one-on-one situations but his help was a step late and he didn't venture out to the perimeter much at all. Aldridge was still productive due to his high skill level but he left the intangibles at his house, unfortunately.
Grade: C+
Summary: Aldridge didn't bring the juice.

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DeMar DeRozan
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The good: DeMar DeRozan continued his much improved play on the defensive end. He was physical and attentive both individually and team-wise. In the fourth quarter, his defense took another step forward. His 15 rebounds were a career-high, many of which were contested. On offense, his shot-selection was fine and he did a fair amount of playmaking. The bad: DeRozan's fourth quarter was forgettable, to put it kindly. All three of his turnover came occurred down the stretch, he didn't make a basket in the fourth and he compounded his struggles by picking up a technical foul as the Spurs were attempting their comeback. San Antonio could have really used a big fourth by DeRozan -- and they got the opposite. Additionally, in the first three quarters, his effort was sporadic and his focus waned.
Grade: C
Summary: DeRozan came up small in the fourth quarter.

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Derrick White
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I'm not sure what was wrong with Derrick White. On offense, he was moving slower than usual, wasn't making many plays, wasn't getting elevation on his shots and his decision-making was often iffy. On defense, he was painfully slow to loose balls, lost track of shooters and his individual D was sub par. Hopefully White just had an off game and this wasn't a case of his feet bothering him again. An injury to White would be disastrous right now.
Grade: D-
Summary: White was pretty darn bad on both ends.

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Bryn Forbes
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Bryn Forbes had a hard time. Defensively, he was overwhelmed too easily and was slow to get hands up on shooters. Offensively, his ball-handling was labored and his confidence was shaky whenever he was in a situation where a decision needed to be made. Forbes played decently well in the fourth so let's hope that portends to better play in coming games.
Grade: C
Summary: Forbes wasn't of much help.

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Jakob Poeltl
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Jakob Poeltl rebounded well, particularly on the offensive end, and made a few heady passes. However, his physicality was missing in action and he negated his size advantage too easily with finesse play. His screening wasn't as sturdy as normal and his activity level on defense was a few notches lower than we've witnessed in recent affairs.
Grade: C+
Summary: Poeltl needed to be tougher.

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Rudy Gay
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With the offense out of rhythm, the Spurs leaned more on Rudy Gay and he helped the Spurs gain some traction on that end. He scored well in isolations and, even more vitally, he broke down the defense enough to create opportunities for others -- and that led to his game-high seven assists. Gay also limited his mistakes and looked more limber than usual going toward the rim. Defensively, he was hot and cold but he was at least energetic most of the evening, tallied eight rebounds and provided some rim protection.
Grade: A-
Summary: Gay stepped up when called upon.

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Patty Mills
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With White struggling, Patty Mills was asked to do more and the results were mostly positive. He wasn't bashful about shooting and his five well-timed three-pointers kept the Spurs in the game. Mills also pushed the pace, got teammates involved and hustled on defense. I do have to dock him for a few questionable decisions, particularly at the end of quarters. Mills' lack of time, score and situational awareness can be baffling.
Grade: B+
Summary: Mills did a lot right.

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Marco Belinelli
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The Spurs were desperate for production from Marco Belinelli and he didn't disappoint. He made smart decisions, fired away when given an inch, moved spectacularly without the ball, was in attack mode with the ball and generally gave the Spurs a much needed injection of energy. Defensively, he competed well and did all he could to stop the Heat from taking advantage of his physical limitations.
Grade: A
Summary: Belinelli did his part.

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Davis Bertans
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I liked the aggressiveness Davis Bertans exhibited with his shot; I don't remember him passing up anything that resembled a clear look tonight. Unfortunately, that aggressiveness didn't translate to the rest of the his game. His defensive intensity wasn't dialed in and he reverted to bad habits in terms of not being physical enough under the basket.
Grade: B-
Summary: The Spurs could have used a bit more out of Bertans.

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Pop
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With his starters sleepwalking and White particularly playing poorly, Pop wasn't dealt the easiest of hands. He did well to get some extra production from his bench. However, in retrospect, he should have played Belinelli more and maybe Bertans as well. Pop may have given up on Poeltl too early but, then again, going small at least provided the team with more mobility and activity.
Grade: B-
Summary: Pop pushed some right buttons but not enough.

Looking ahead: Welp, that winning streak was fun while it lasted.

A bounce back win against the Rockets would be a great way to forget about the poor effort against the Heat. Get it.

John B
03-21-2019, 02:51 AM
Thanks for the grades Timvp. It was a classic let down after an emotional win. I hope they learned their lesson and play hard from the get go. Houston would be ready after a lost. Let’s hope our guys would be.

slick'81
03-21-2019, 03:36 AM
Def needed more poodle power!

duncan2k5
03-21-2019, 03:52 AM
How do we view this as a trap game, but give ourselves props for beating the warriors as if we figured them out? We aren't a good team... Our ceiling is mediocrity... We need to make massive offseason changes or else we are stuck in this place for years to come

smaka
03-21-2019, 04:18 AM
Watching Demar in 4th quarter was so damn frustrating. Forcing shots, rushing around the court with tunnel vision... I wasn't able to watch the rest of the game, but I would prefer White to take the command in last minutes, doubt he could've been worse than Demar was.

vavvi
03-21-2019, 04:48 AM
That was the reason why we will be facing GS in the first round.
We play poorly on the road and play poorly against bad teams (especially effort-teams). I think we won't be able to take advantage of the easy schedule to end the year.
Easy schedule = Hard schedule for the Spurs.

This game was such a frustration to watch.

SouthTexasRancher
03-21-2019, 05:04 AM
Good grades....pretty much spot on. The bench was on and the starters stunk the place up.

ceperez
03-21-2019, 05:11 AM
The Heat's defense was pretty good. Good enough to make this game much more difficult to win.

They took the Spurs out of their rhythm.

White looked ordinary and kept missing shots he should be able to make.

The plus is that this team fought back and could have won through better execution in the end.

monty4329
03-21-2019, 06:18 AM
For once I am not mad at DDR. Yes he played like shit but he had to try to do more due to the rest of the team sleeping. Pity for a super game by Beli, got wasted.

What makes me mad is that everybody knew this was a trap game. Pop too: so wake the team up, for Christ's sake. I don't give a damn about Wade's gift and all that shit, have the team ready and focused instead.

With OKC losing it was an excellent chance to get a good distance over 8th seed. Not anymore.

I am baffled about the inability to attack a pretty straightforward 2-1-2 zone. Executed really well, but still a 2-1-2 zone. It took 2.5 quarters to realize you attack it with frontal penetration. I learned that when I was 13 y.o.. I realize nowadays young guys never learn zone defense, but that is not the case for Spurs players. Baffling.

Meanwhile Utah is running away

sananspursfan21
03-21-2019, 07:00 AM
One of the more maddening games to watch in the moment but after waking up this morning, the anger didn’t carry over. I think what pissed me off the most was that with all due respect to an NBA great I’ll definitely miss seeing out there, Wade got so lucky out there. The half court three, the bank shot, the poke-out to force a turnover. Cmon, his game didn’t translate well with age. But he caught some stupid breaks tonight.

But this loss hasn’t bothered me too much because the Heat are kind of a trap team in general. They’re a little better than they seem. They’re a legitimate star away from being top of the east imho

ZeusWillJudge
03-21-2019, 07:20 AM
Trap games happen to dominant teams that don't think they have to bring their best effort to beat a lesser team. Trap games happen earlier in the season, when you think you have plenty of opportunities to make up for a dumb loss.

When there are only a dozen games left, and you're not a dominant team, and a loss or two could drop you from 4th seed all the way down to 8th seed? There are no trap games.

Last night one team wanted the W much more than the other.

D-Robinson 50 fan
03-21-2019, 08:54 AM
The starters looked lethargic throughout most of the game. While it seemed Miami's guys understood the urgency of them getting this win. The zone defense also discombobulated our guys offensive efficiency.

I hope they come ready to play against Houston and the defense is locked in because if they do not that game could get ugly super quick

superbigtime
03-21-2019, 09:07 AM
classic spoiler game. I knew this game would be a struggle. D White was awful. Dragic is a Spur killer once again.

TDomination
03-21-2019, 09:09 AM
I didn't catch the first 3 quarters and was wondering why White wasn't playing at the end. I guess he struggled pretty bad.

It would be terrible if he was feeling pain. Lets just hope he had an off night.

And sucks that LMA pretty much proved Scream A Smith, at least for now. He's got to be consistent. He can be really great at times, but then lethargic at other times.

BackHome
03-21-2019, 09:11 AM
The Heat are no joke they always give effort and play hard add to it we had the longest winning streak a loss was bound to happen

Dex
03-21-2019, 09:15 AM
The starters looked awful all night. The +/- numbers pretty much tell that tale of the night.

Even though they were playing better, you're not gonna win a lot of games when you have to resort to Beli and Mills shooting more shots than LMA and DDR.

Play Boban
03-21-2019, 09:23 AM
I say Play Poeltl. Poop the Moron plays him under 20 minutes and the Sperms take the L? Coincidence? Hell no.

Mugen
03-21-2019, 09:27 AM
:lol Can't believe anybody thinks the Spurs will win either @ Houston or @ Boston...wouldn't be surprised if the old man decides to throw the game for TP/Borrego as well...

"Trap Game" when this loser team has to win every single game at home because they are literally the worst road team left in the playoffs (a sign of softness and poor coaching)...

This loss pretty much guaranteed an 8th seed and a chance for Pop to get on his knees for 4 games praising Kerr and his "it's just a game schtick".....

SpursDynasty85
03-21-2019, 09:44 AM
Gay let them get a lot of offensive rebounds. He seemed slow footed too today. Mills definitely deserves a higher grade than him. Belli too high as well. Pop is definitely too high. I thought he was thoroughly out coached and confused. Failed to make the right adjustments because he was totally unprepapred for that Spoelstra clinic. Gotta give a ton of credit to the Heat and their coaching staff too.

TheRemix
03-21-2019, 10:04 AM
I was shaking my head in disgust as the heat brought out the zone and it worked. Teams in this day and age are supposed to take advantage of that out of date formation and punish it with 3pt shooting. I get that it bothered the spurs and threw off their rhythm but ugh you're supposed to be licking your chops when you see zone defense

Mugen
03-21-2019, 10:08 AM
I was shaking my head in disgust as the heat brought out the zone and it worked. Teams in this day and age are supposed to take advantage of that out of date formation and punish it with 3pt shooting. I get that it bothered the spurs and threw off their rhythm but ugh you're supposed to be licking your chops when you see zone defense

The zone has given Pop trouble for like 20 years at this point. Without Manu recognizing and attacking it, he's helpless.

GusT15
03-21-2019, 10:12 AM
The zone has given Pop trouble for like 20 years at this point. Without Manu recognizing and attacking it, he's helpless.

Manu knew the zone defense inside out cause he was going up against it for 20 mins in every game in Europe :lol

8FOR!3
03-21-2019, 10:32 AM
Bench did their jobs and then some, starters looked uninspired but it happens. DeRozan put in the effort he just lacked the energy so did the rest of that lineup.

monty4329
03-21-2019, 10:35 AM
I was shaking my head in disgust as the heat brought out the zone and it worked. Teams in this day and age are supposed to take advantage of that out of date formation and punish it with 3pt shooting. I get that it bothered the spurs and threw off their rhythm but ugh you're supposed to be licking your chops when you see zone defense

Zone defense might be out of date on NBA 2K19. In the real world it is extremely effective and difficult to attack if the defenders are tall and athletic. It also takes time to teach and to learn to execute. That's why only few NBA teams can use it properly. Hironically, Spurs have one of the best situational zone defense tricks. Unfortunately Pop doesn't seem to spend enough time on offensive sets against the zone.

TheRemix
03-21-2019, 10:35 AM
The zone has given Pop trouble for like 20 years at this point. Without Manu recognizing and attacking it, he's helpless.

Good point

TDomination
03-21-2019, 10:39 AM
Most of us have Spurs losing @ Rockets. So if somehow, someway the Spurs can win that one, that will definitely make up for this loss.

bklynspursfan
03-21-2019, 10:39 AM
:lol Can't believe anybody thinks the Spurs will win either @ Houston or @ Boston...wouldn't be surprised if the old man decides to throw the game for TP/Borrego as well...

"Trap Game" when this loser team has to win every single game at home because they are literally the worst road team left in the playoffs (a sign of softness and poor coaching)...

This loss pretty much guaranteed an 8th seed and a chance for Pop to get on his knees for 4 games praising Kerr and his "it's just a game schtick".....

Uh, how? OKC is in 8th, and have a far tougher schedule than we do.

TheRemix
03-21-2019, 11:02 AM
Zone defense might be out of date on NBA 2K19. In the real world it is extremely effective and difficult to attack if the defenders are tall and athletic. It also takes time to teach and to learn to execute. That's why only few NBA teams can use it properly. Hironically, Spurs have one of the best situational zone defense tricks. Unfortunately Pop doesn't seem to spend enough time on offensive sets against the zone.
Yes, i've seen this before. Good teams play man with elements of zone and it's always situational. Like when someone is slashing and help comes down it leaves one guy to defend the wing and corner. Real zone defense is only really effective in college

Mugen
03-21-2019, 11:50 AM
Uh, how? OKC is in 8th, and have a far tougher schedule than we do.

I see 3 guaranteed road losses remaining and I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots shit the bed again at home.

When's the last time the Spurs were in a heated race for good seeding and actually got what they wanted? Pop's probably ecstatic about the prospects of being able to bend over for Kerr again :lol

ZeusWillJudge
03-21-2019, 12:03 PM
The zone has given Pop trouble for like 20 years at this point. Without Manu recognizing and attacking it, he's helpless.


That's a damn fact right there. That was always my biggest complaint about Parker. I had hopes that DDR could break down a zone better.

Rosewood
03-21-2019, 12:18 PM
How do we view this as a trap game, but give ourselves props for beating the warriors as if we figured them out? We aren't a good team... Our ceiling is mediocrity... We need to make massive offseason changes or else we are stuck in this place for years to come Trade Demar/LMA for draft picks or what? What's your solution after Kawhi fucked us?

heyheymymy
03-21-2019, 12:56 PM
Remember that 2010 series against the suns when Dragic just dusted us?

phxspurfan
03-21-2019, 01:02 PM
I don't understand how Forbes, who had to run PG while White was out, suddenly has forgotten how to dribble. When guys close out on him now he seems surprised and scared to do much of anything. Did none of that time in the G league even help him?

r0drig0lac
03-21-2019, 01:39 PM
Zone defense might be out of date on NBA 2K19. In the real world it is extremely effective and difficult to attack if the defenders are tall and athletic. It also takes time to teach and to learn to execute. That's why only few NBA teams can use it properly. Hironically, Spurs have one of the best situational zone defense tricks. Unfortunately Pop doesn't seem to spend enough time on offensive sets against the zone.

this

SpursDynasty85
03-21-2019, 02:06 PM
I was shaking my head in disgust as the heat brought out the zone and it worked. Teams in this day and age are supposed to take advantage of that out of date formation and punish it with 3pt shooting. I get that it bothered the spurs and threw off their rhythm but ugh you're supposed to be licking your chops when you see zone defense

Zones have become a lot more complex than your traditional rec league 2-3 or 3-2. A lot of it is based in real-time on who is on the floor and the best players in the world being coached by the best coaches in the world. Popovich threw some zone out there too a few times this season and worked great. It will be the norm soon enough with the explosion of talented superstar scorers. Need to hedge more against them and find unique ways of zoning out the rest of the field.

bklynspursfan
03-21-2019, 02:13 PM
I see 3 guaranteed road losses remaining and I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots shit the bed again at home.

When's the last time the Spurs were in a heated race for good seeding and actually got what they wanted? Pop's probably ecstatic about the prospects of being able to bend over for Kerr again :lol

That's cool and all, but have you seen OKCs schedule?

And idk how u define bending over for Kerr... both times we matched up with them the past 2 years, we were without our best player..

Mugen
03-21-2019, 02:27 PM
That's cool and all, but have you seen OKCs schedule?

And idk how u define bending over for Kerr... both times we matched up with them the past 2 years, we were without our best player..

I trust their coach more to get them right seeding tbh...hoping Derrick White can carry this loser squad and coaching staff to a 6 seed but that's asking a lot out of a 2nd year player.

bklynspursfan
03-21-2019, 02:57 PM
I trust their coach more to get them right seeding tbh...hoping Derrick White can carry this loser squad and coaching staff to a 6 seed but that's asking a lot out of a 2nd year player.

I mean, Pop has been pretty dialed in the last few weeks , shortening the rotation and what not. Last night's L was not about coaching.

Also, where we land isn't important, it's about who we matchup with. You'd rather 6th and possibly face Houston vs 7th and playing Denver? These guys just need to show up on the road before the playoffs and get more confident . Another streak into the playoffs isn't unlikely

Mugen
03-21-2019, 03:30 PM
I mean, Pop has been pretty dialed in the last few weeks , shortening the rotation and what not. Last night's L was not about coaching.

Also, where we land isn't important, it's about who we matchup with. You'd rather 6th and possibly face Houston vs 7th and playing Denver? These guys just need to show up on the road before the playoffs and get more confident . Another streak into the playoffs isn't unlikely

The only goal should be avoiding the Warriors.

I think they'd still lose to Houston or Denver but at least it wouldn't be downright embarrassing like if they matched up against the Warriors.

ZeusWillJudge
03-21-2019, 03:51 PM
The only goal should be avoiding the Warriors.

They could avoid the Warriors by finishing 9th. But they'd have to be really focused to pull it off.

pgardn
03-21-2019, 04:49 PM
They pretty much could not miss as well.
It happens.

In this nutty season, it's a minor thing.
Lets play the Nuggets.

GreekSpursfan
03-21-2019, 06:04 PM
I agree with the grades and even though Gay deserves that grade i would give him a B just for the wide open missed three that was so crucial in the outcome of the game.

SwansonInSibagat
03-21-2019, 08:17 PM
Happens everytime they get a statement win. They'll be back, though.

SwansonInSibagat
03-21-2019, 08:22 PM
How do we view this as a trap game, but give ourselves props for beating the warriors as if we figured them out? We aren't a good team... Our ceiling is mediocrity... We need to make massive offseason changes or else we are stuck in this place for years to come

You are stuck in a loop, my friend. Must be hell.

wildbill2u
03-22-2019, 12:40 PM
Zone defense might be out of date on NBA 2K19. In the real world it is extremely effective and difficult to attack if the defenders are tall and athletic. It also takes time to teach and to learn to execute. That's why only few NBA teams can use it properly. Hironically, Spurs have one of the best situational zone defense tricks. Unfortunately Pop doesn't seem to spend enough time on offensive sets against the zone.

That's why the bench played better against the zone. They play against our zone with the first teamers in practice. We basically don't have many bench players equipped to give our starters practice against a zone. Too many lead feet