Gronk Retires

[Darth_Pelican]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26351121/grateful-gronkowski-announces-retirement

[JohnnyMax]

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[phxspurfan]

Thanks Gronkers for the memories. Glad you didn't turn out like that punk Aaron Hernandez

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brady's going to have to earn #7 bigtime ... he wouldn't have won this past playoffs without Gronk... those 2 big deep catches near the left corner deep inside the red zone, one against the Chiefs, one against the Rams, they probably don't win either game without that catch in both cases.

[Mitch]

The man destroyed his body for the team, nothing but respect.

[Mitch]

The man destroyed his body for the team, nothing but respect.

[SpursforSix]

The man destroyed his body for the team, nothing but respect.

Give me a break. He's one of the best TE ever but let's not pretend that he (or any other player) does this for "the team". He did it because he loves playing football and winning. Not to mention the money.

[Mitch]

Give me a break. He's one of the best TE ever but let's not pretend that he (or any other player) does this for "the team". He did it because he loves playing football and winning. Not to mention the money.

Settle down, s46, your opinion can exist too if you care that much about it.

[SpursforSix]

Settle down, s46, your opinion can exist too if you care that much about it.

Ah...the old "settle down".

[Will Hunting]

Brady's going to have to earn #7 bigtime ... he wouldn't have won this past playoffs without Gronk... those 2 big deep catches near the left corner deep inside the red zone, one against the Chiefs, one against the Rams, they probably don't win either game without that catch in both cases.
You're the king of "if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle" hot takes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You're the king of "if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle" hot takes.

I am aware that they won the SB in 2016-17 without Gronk for the playoffs and got to the AFCCG in 2013-14 without him. BUT... they had better weapons those years, especially in '16-17 with Amendola, Mitchell, & Bennett. '13 they were pretty crappy at tight end with the loss of both Hernandez and then Gronk. But they did have solid wideouts and prime Blount that year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

that being said, I don't know why they don't just grab Hogan and Jordy Nelson, they both fit Brady's scheme and shouldn't be very expensive.


Patterson is gone, so Dorsett should fill the role of gadget 4th receiver just fine.

[Will Hunting]

I am aware that they won the SB in 2016-17 without Gronk for the playoffs and got to the AFCCG in 2013-14 without him. BUT... they had better weapons those years, especially in '16-17 with Amendola, Mitchell, & Bennett. '13 they were pretty crappy at tight end with the loss of both Hernandez and then Gronk. But they did have solid wideouts and prime Blount that year.
Yeah that has nothing to do with what I said.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was pointing out how unnecessary it is to say that a team would have lost if one of its best players wasn’t there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah that has nothing to do with what I said.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was pointing out how unnecessary it is to say that a team would have lost if one of its best players wasn’t there.

But he wasn't unanimously one of their "best players" last year, not even by media standards. His stats certainly weren't up to stuff from before. But the fact he always draws the double and pretty much eliminates any Cover 2-ish plays from the other team's defensive playbook, makes him super invaluable. He's like Travis Kelce but less fast but more dominant on contested catches, plus he's a hell of a run blocker. He will be sorely missed.

What I'm saying is I still think the Patriots will be able to win pretty consistently without him, especially since their running game looks strong again. And who's really better than them in the AFC? Kansas City might lose Tyreek Hill and they already lost Hunt. Chargers are perennial chokers. The rest of the East is still bad. The Browns are incredibly talented but too raw and young, probably a year away. The Steelers are done, probably the Ravens too with their losses on defense. The Colts are the only team I can think of, honestly. The rest of the AFC South are chokers.

[Will Hunting]

But the fact he always draws the double and pretty much eliminates any Cover 2-ish plays from the other team's defensive playbook, makes him super invaluable.
A guy who commands double coverage and can't be guarded with cover 2 is invaluable? You don't say!

[Mitch]

A guy who commands double coverage and can't be guarded with cover 2 is invaluable? You don't say!

Andy just parrots things he sees in headlines, tbh

[Will Hunting]

Andy just parrots things he sees in headlines, tbh
And then he takes those things and tries to sound smart.

”I hear Gronk is pretty good, time for a hot take about how the Patriots would be worse without him”

[SpursforSix]

Gronk is basically the Chris Mullins of the Pats.

[Mitch]

And then he takes those things and tries to sound smart.

”I hear Gronk is pretty good, time for a hot take about how the Patriots would be worse without him”

:lol he's been trying to fit in by piggybacking any team that could potentially win the superbowl

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol he's been trying to fit in by piggybacking any team that could potentially win the superbowl

As it stands, I think 2019 in the AFC is the Patriots' to lose for one more year. All the other real elite surefire contenders are in the NFC.

Teams like the Browns and possibly Colts are one year away from a serious SB run.
Much of the old guard (Steelers/Ravens) are back to rebuilding.
Texans are their usual average to slightly above average selves.
Chargers are talented a-f but you can't take a team with that bad of a coach seriously.
As great as Patrick Mahomes is, losing both the bell cow AND the best pure "Z" receiver since early career DeSean Jackson, is just too much to handle.
The rest of the AFC East is rebuilding (familiar?), so the Pats should go 5-1 or 6-0 in the division.

I predict 12-4 and another SB appearance, with 2 of their regular season losses to the NFC East (Eagles/Cowboys), one random away division game, and another random game somewhere else.

[Mitch]

As it stands, I think 2019 in the AFC is the Patriots' to lose for one more year. All the other real elite surefire contenders are in the NFC.

Teams like the Browns and possibly Colts are one year away from a serious SB run.
Much of the old guard (Steelers/Ravens) are back to rebuilding.
Texans are their usual average to slightly above average selves.
Chargers are talented a-f but you can't take a team with that bad of a coach seriously.
As great as Patrick Mahomes is, losing both the bell cow AND the best pure "Z" receiver since early career DeSean Jackson, is just too much to handle.
The rest of the AFC East is rebuilding (familiar?), so the Pats should go 5-1 or 6-0 in the division.

I predict 12-4 and another SB appearance, with 2 of their regular season losses to the NFC East (Eagles/Cowboys), one random away division game, and another random game somewhere else.

I don't really care for your ESPN takes, Andy :lol

[FkLA]

Someone send BelliGOAT college tape of David Morgan II, imho.

[spurraider21]

Someone send BelliGOAT college tape of David Morgan II, imho.
he's on the vikings and is a massive scrub

[FkLA]

he's on the vikings and is a massive scrub

Yeah but those retards underutilize him so badly. He's an elite blocker at the NFL level, and they already have that faggot Rudolph, so they treat him like he's only a blocking TE. He was an amazing pass-catching TE in college.

[spurraider21]

Yeah but those retards underutilize him so badly. He's an elite blocker at the NFL level, and they already have that faggot Rudolph, so they treat him like he's only a blocking TE. He was an amazing pass-catching TE in college.
do you like him as much as you liked manziel tbh?

[FkLA]

Do it BeliGOAT!

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[BD24]

do you like him as much as you liked manziel tbh?
I thought you were going to ask him if he liked him as much as he liked tranny porn tbh

[Avant]

His average per catch was amazing for a TE.

[FkLA]

I thought you were going to ask him if he liked him as much as he liked tranny porn tbh

shut up faggot

[BD24]

shut up faggot
Says the guy who looked up Tranny porn and posted it on a message board :lol

[Chucho]

Says the guy who looked up Tranny porn and posted it on a message board :lol

:lmao

[Avant]

:lmao

Dude, nothing about the GRONK, you are only here to do that kind of thing.

[Avant]

Getting back to the actual topic.

A 15 yard career average per catch is what WR average. That really is amazing. Bummer the guy can't stay healthy, if he'd ben able to play 12-14 seasons his numbers would dwarf those of Tony Gonzalez. Do we take his career averages and just place him above Gonzalez anyway?

[FkLA]

Says the guy who looked up Tranny porn and posted it on a message board :lol

shut up faggot

[Monostradamus]

I’m a tually hoping they get THAT nigga Jake Butt to replace Gronk.

[spurraider21]

I’m a tually hoping they get THAT nigga Jake Butt to replace Gronk.
theres some good TE's at the top of the draft too

or you can get the lolutsa faggot fkla is pimping

[BD24]

:cry shut up faggot :cry

[Millennial_Messiah]

theres some good TE's at the top of the draft too

or you can get the lolutsa faggot fkla is pimping

Morgan is actually a great blocking TE. But that's what he is in the NFL. He's as slow as an average o-lineman. Heck, the Vikings use him as their 6th lineman quite a bit and rarely have him go out for passes except in the red zone.

[FkLA]

Morgan is actually a great blocking TE. But that's what he is in the NFL. He's as slow as an average o-lineman. Heck, the Vikings use him as their 6th lineman quite a bit and rarely have him go out for passes except in the red zone.

Witten isn't fast. Gronk towards the end of his career wasn't fast. He's being underutilized, period. When you have the hands he has and the ability to go up and get the ball like he does, there's no excuse for using him solely as a 6th ineman.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Witten isn't fast. Gronk towards the end of his career wasn't fast. He's being underutilized, period. When you have the hands he has and the ability to go up and get the ball like he does, there's no excuse for using him solely as a 6th ineman.

He's a blocker, not a receiver. He dropped a handful of short checkdowns in the past couple years from two different QBs. That's just that.

[FkLA]

He's a blocker, not a receiver. He dropped a handful of short checkdowns in the past couple years from two different QBs. That's just that.

No.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No.

Yes.

[FkLA]

Yes.

GTFO

[Clipper Nation]

How long before he blows through too much of his money and comes back for the playoffs? We all know it's coming.

[Will Hunting]

How long before he blows through too much of his money and comes back for the playoffs? We all know it's coming.
He claims that he’s lived entirely on endorsement money and saved all of the NFL salary.

[Will Hunting]

Btw, all the reports leading up to this were that he’s coming back. Imo Belichick told him that they wanted him to take a pay cut and that’s what made his decision.

[Millennial_Messiah]

GTFO

Look, I like Morgan but he should be an OC or RT.

[FkLA]

Look, I like Morgan but he should be an OC or RT.

Wrong.

[Spurtacular]

Give me a break. He's one of the best TE ever but let's not pretend that he (or any other player) does this for "the team". He did it because he loves playing football and winning. Not to mention the money.

And he doesn't even love winning that much or he'd come back.

[Millennial_Messiah]

And he doesn't even love winning that much or he'd come back.

He wanted to end on a winning note. Not sure what Brady's sticking around for, either. He has nothing left to prove. Why not let the Jets or Bills have a chance in that division for once?

[Spurtacular]

He wanted to end on a winning note. Not sure what Brady's sticking around for, either. He has nothing left to prove. Why not let the Jets or Bills have a chance in that division for once?

:lol Like that's a big deal.