Is Pelosi the Pragmatic One?

[DMC]

Nancy comes out of this looking like a true statesman. How will the democrat voter base respond to her more job focused approach?

How do you feel about it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Adam Schiff certainly came out looking like an idiot.

[SpursforSix]

Adam Schiff certainly came out looking like an idiot.

"Cows technically don't fart"

yeah...Schiff is the idiot

[pgardn]

Mitch and Nancy were made for each other.

They are both pretty much self preservation types who only intervene when they know they are safe.
They both are politically brilliant, and thats not a complement.

[pgardn]

"Cows technically don't fart"

yeah...Schiff is the idiot

He gambled and lost.
He took the line that there is too much coincidence in the way Trump behaved, and how one might behave if in bed with Russians.
Failing to recognize how reckless Trump is without thinking, was a big mistake by Adam Ant. Collusion requires some real patience and thinking and at the time the chances of it actually working were so slim.

I wonder where Trump is currently on the Russians interfering in our elections. The thought that this MIGHT have swayed an election is so utterly galling to him...

[baseline bum]

Mitch and Nancy were made for each other.

They are both pretty much self preservation types who only intervene when they know they are safe.
They both are politically brilliant, and thats not a complement.

False equivalence. McConnell is the one who completely broke Washington after the scary negro got in office.

[pgardn]

False equivalence. McConnell is the one who completely broke Washington after the scary negro got in office.

If Nancy sees the political opportunity with Trump she will jump on it in a second imo. It's about judging what you have to back you up. And Mitch got it right. If you think Pelosi has some higher moral value about an actual working government under Republican rule I don't agree. If she judges that the opportunity is right, she WILL disrupt.

As far as starting to break government we might actually go back to the last Democratic Senate leader, Harry Reid.

[DMC]

I asked questions about Nancy Pelosi and I get comments about Adam Schiff and Mitch McConnell.

[pgardn]

I asked questions about Nancy Pelosi and I get comments about Adam Schiff and Mitch McConnell.

What do you expect?
That’s a surprise on this board like you’ve never done it...

If you can’t see the similarities and differences in political figures to give some sense of relative behavior of the time that’s your problem.

So make an argument out of the red team being more moral and smarter in the blue team.
Show us another wacked IQ graph.

[CosmicCowboy]

I asked questions about Nancy Pelosi and I get comments about Adam Schiff and Mitch McConnell.

Nancy is trying to be the sane adult in her party as the alternative to AOC and the other newbie whackos.

[baseline bum]

If Nancy sees the political opportunity with Trump she will jump on it in a second imo. It's about judging what you have to back you up. And Mitch got it right. If you think Pelosi has some higher moral value about an actual working government under Republican rule I don't agree. If she judges that the opportunity is right, she WILL disrupt.

As far as starting to break government we might actually go back to the last Democratic Senate leader, Harry Reid.

Bullshit, stop normalizing McConnell, he is the most cancerous thing in American politics in at least 50 years. In Obama's two terms McConnell filibustered more Obama appointments than had been filibustered in the history of the nation before. Then he decided Obama didn't have the authority to nominate Supreme Court candidates for a vote despite President Scary Negro compromising from the beginning with a nominee Garland who the GOP had been asking him to nominate before. Yeah Pelosi is an obstructionist now, but why shouldn't she be now that McConnell has made it the new normal? The GOP doesn't get to have a working government when they're in majority power after sabotaging it when the minority.

[Winehole23]

Turnabout is fair play.

The chances of Republicans playing nice if they lose in 2020 is approximately zero.

[Winehole23]

Nancy comes out of this looking like a true statesman. How will the democrat voter base respond to her more job focused approach?

How do you feel about it?I think she's right that impeachment is a blind alley, but I also think her donor-facing, establishmentarian bent could hurt her own party in the upcoming elections.

Anodyne, middle of the road statemanship doesn't work as well in elections when everyone's pissed off at government. DJT is living proof.

The GOP opened the door to crazy, no telling what we'll get next.

[boutons_deux]

The chances of Republicans playing nice if they lose in 2020 is approximately zero.

The chances of Republicans playing nice if they win in 2020 is approximately zero.

I remember when dubya scraped into his 2nd term by the smallest margin EVER for an incumbent (and only because Blackwell/OH's counting fraud), Repugs were being labeled "sore winners"

[hater]

Pelotudosi is an ancient swamp monster


She's doing ancient swamp monster thangs

[boutons_deux]

Mueller reportedly wants Congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice (https://theweek.com/speedreads/831161/mueller-reportedly-wants-congress-decide-trump-obstructed-justice)

Barr's letter "leaves the distinct sense that

Mueller's detailed accounting of the president's potential acts of obstruction is significant," and

"that may well be the point,"

An obvious reason Mueller, "being barred from indicting the president,"

would

lay out an extensive case for and against criminal obstruction

but not give his prosecutorial opinion is that

he's "teed up the question of presidential obstruction for evaluation by a different actor — to wit, by Congress."

Barr's letter actually "seems to suggest that

Trump may have done impeachment-worthy things,

but not prosecution-related things,"
(https://theweek.com/speedreads/831161/mueller-reportedly-wants-congress-decide-trump-obstructed-justice)
https://theweek.com/speedreads/831161/mueller-reportedly-wants-congress-decide-trump-obstructed-justice (https://theweek.com/speedreads/831161/mueller-reportedly-wants-congress-decide-trump-obstructed-justice)

Mueller set the bar for collusion very high

and

Barr set the definition of obstruction extremely narrow

Congress is not bound by either Mueller or Barr.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

Boo still jacking off to impeachment fantasies.

[Spurtacular]

Adam Schiff certainly came out looking like an idiot.

Was looking like an idiot all along; but I don't think that matters to them. It's about the bottom line.

[pgardn]

Bullshit, stop normalizing McConnell, he is the most cancerous thing in American politics in at least 50 years. In Obama's two terms McConnell filibustered more Obama appointments than had been filibustered in the history of the nation before. Then he decided Obama didn't have the authority to nominate Supreme Court candidates for a vote despite President Scary Negro compromising from the beginning with a nominee Garland who the GOP had been asking him to nominate before. Yeah Pelosi is an obstructionist now, but why shouldn't she be now that McConnell has made it the new normal? The GOP doesn't get to have a working government when they're in majority power after sabotaging it when the minority.

Normalizing.

Thats BS.

Harry Reid started with the judge thing by going nuclear. You need to get that straight.
McConnell has taken the next step up by openly declaring he would sabotage a president's agenda. Because he said it this makes him worse?
Thats BS.

If the GOP does not have a working government they will not be elected. Our government could be said to be working surprisingly well despite the fact we have a lying megalomaniac at the helm. If anything this could demonstrate the power of our institutions. (This is said with the belief that our gap in income will catch up with us imo) Pelosi has more in common with McConnell than she has with Schiff.

Bottom line is I dont like it either. But these things have roots that lead back to older agendas. And Im not going to make a hero out of Pelosi because she is a saavy operator. This business requires a very strong sense of self preservation at the expense of others. Including those in your own party.

[pgardn]

Was looking like an idiot all along; but I don't think that matters to them. It's about the bottom line.

No he took a stand that looks bad right now.
This is not over.
But he took a stand. I happen to think it was incorrect, but in 20 years... We might find out quite a bit about the lying child we have as a leader.
Schiff is a big boy. He had to know it was a stretch unless he has a completely different definition of collusion. Trump still might be compromised to some extent given his huge debt in the past and the dirty ways he played with it. I could see this idiot being the first president to spend his retirement days in Russia getting paid as a megaphone for the weakness of US democracy. Give him a TV show.

[baseline bum]

Normalizing.

Thats BS.

Harry Reid started with the judge thing by going nuclear. You need to get that straight.


You need to get your facts straight. Harry Reid didn't do that until late 2013 while McConnell was the senate minority and then majority leader since Day 1 of the Obama presidency and filibustered practically everything from the very start.



McConnell has taken the next step up by openly declaring he would sabotage a president's agenda. Because he said it this makes him worse?
Thats BS.


Because he did it and made it the new normal makes him the worst thing we have seen in Washington in decades.



If the GOP does not have a working government they will not be elected. Our government could be said to be working surprisingly well despite the fact we have a lying megalomaniac at the helm. If anything this could demonstrate the power of our institutions. (This is said with the belief that our gap in income will catch up with us imo) Pelosi has more in common with McConnell than she has with Schiff.


The only thing this government has been productive in is McConnell rushing right wing judges through confirmation after slowing things to a crawl in the Obama presidency.



Bottom line is I dont like it either. But these things have roots that lead back to older agendas. And Im not going to make a hero out of Pelosi because she is a saavy operator. This business requires a very strong sense of self preservation at the expense of others. Including those in your own party.

No one is making her out to be a hero. I'm pointing out she is not the one who broke our government. That's McConnell. I'm pointing out she never did anything as undemocratic as McConnell did when he stole Obama's Supreme Court appointment. These are the kind of both sides false equivalences I'd expect to hear out of the mouths of Trump or Hannity. The both sides talk is right wing propaganda for normalizing the bastard who is killing (maybe has killed) the US federal government.

[pgardn]

You need to get your facts straight. Harry Reid didn't do that until late 2013 while McConnell was the senate minority and then majority leader since Day 1 of the Obama presidency and filibustered everything from the very start.



Because he did it and made it the new normal makes him the worst thing we have seen in Washington in decades.



The only thing this government has been productive in is McConnell rushing right wing judges through confirmation after slowing things to a crawl in the Obama presidency.



No one is making her out to be a hero. I'm pointing out she is not the one who broke our government. That's McConnell. I'm pointing out she never did anything as undemocratic as McConnell did when he stole Obama's Supreme Court appointment. These is the kind of both sides false equivalences I'd expect to hear out of the mouths of Trump or Hannity. The both sides talk is right wing propaganda for normalizing the bastard who is killing (maybe has killed) the US federal government.

McConnell had the power to do that. Reid took a very drastic step to change a rule that led to very little compromise required on assigning judges.
That is not something to be taken lightly. Did McConnell change the rules to begin with? McConnell is the SAME GUY who urged the president not to use the powers of a silly National Emergency. Why would he even take this risk knowing he could expose himself and basically did?

And I will make this point. The new normal that could be the scariest is people not calling out a guy that is making lying OK if you win with it.
This is by far the most dangerous new normal. Attempt to Neuter the press and lie. But I cant really say if it is normalized. It is with idiots like Chris, Spurter.

[baseline bum]

McConnell had the power to do that. Reid took a very drastic step to change a rule that led to very little compromise required on assigning judges.
That is not something to be taken lightly. Did McConnell change the rules to begin with? McConnell is the SAME GUY who urged the president not to use the powers of a silly National Emergency. Why would he even take this risk knowing he could expose himself and basically did?

And I will make this point. The new normal that could be the scariest is people not calling out a guy that is making lying OK if you win with it.
This is by far the most dangerous new normal. Attempt to Neuter the press and lie. But I cant really say if it is normalized. It is with idiots like Chris, Spurter.

Tell me how much compromise there was with McConnell before Reid changed the rules. Once the scary negro got inaugurated McConnell threw compromise completely out the window and it's never coming back because now the left (well really the American Tories) is just as pissed and is willing to follow McConnell's example in obstructing everything they can. Which they should.

LMAO at McConnell urging the president and then doing nothing to stop him when he absolutely could have by getting 67 votes to override our Dear Leader's veto.

[baseline bum]

Next you're going to tell me Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker were anti-Trump too because of their words?

[pgardn]

Tell me how much compromise there was with McConnell before Reid changed the rules. Once the scary negro got inaugurated McConnell threw compromise completely out the window and it's never coming back because now the left is just as pissed and is willing to follow McConnell's example in obstructing everything they can. Which they should.

McConnell did this because he knew it could play imo. He is very astute and knew the lingering anger of the white guy that thinks he has been done wrong. And then Obama possibly being more interested in his own popularity rather than his party. Im not condoning the fact that McConnell used the black man to foster the narrative of the middle class white guy losing ground economically, like Obama had somehow lifted up people of color at white expense.
What I am saying is that Democrats taking a rule changing step has now been used against them. So this means the blue team gotta play dirtier?

I dont believe this. Call Trump for what he is. But making shit up... People that vote for Trump and his ilk know he is lying, but they dont care as long as their prescriptions for a better white society are followed. And then of course the trickle down crap that the red team still believes.

[pgardn]

Next you're going to tell me Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker were anti-Trump too because of their words?



Im not really sure what you mean here.
They are on the same team. And that team does control money after life in the legislature. So I imagine all would tread carefully.
But Im not sure of their financial situations.

[hater]

1110337889936789505

[baseline bum]

McConnell did this because he knew it could play imo. He is very astute and knew the lingering anger of the white guy that thinks he has been done wrong. And then Obama possibly being more interested in his own popularity rather than his party. Im not condoning the fact that McConnell used the black man to foster the narrative of the middle class white guy losing ground economically, like Obama had somehow lifted up people of color at white expense.
What I am saying is that Democrats taking a rule changing step has now been used against them. So this means the blue team gotta play dirtier?

I dont believe this. Call Trump for what he is. But making shit up... People that vote for Trump and his ilk know he is lying, but they dont care as long as their prescriptions for a better white society are followed. And then of course the trickle down crap that the red team still believes.

Yes McConnell said to hell with having a working government and led the charge to breaking it. I'd really love to hear your explanation about how Harry Reid's November 2013 rule change caused Mitch McConnell to fundamentally change the senate in January 2009, which he absolutely did with his obstructionism. And yes blue team has to play dirty now since those are the new rules of the game and any other action would lead to complete dominance by the red team. McConnell set it all in motion and this hyperpartisanship will be his legacy.

[baseline bum]

Im not really sure what you mean here.
They are on the same team. And that team does control money after life in the legislature. So I imagine all would tread carefully.
But Im not sure of their financial situations.

Because they said they were against Trump to the cameras too and then voted with him just like McConnell.

[boutons_deux]

Harry Reid started with the judge thing by going nuclear.

Only because Bitch McC was blocking, slow-walking ALL of Obama's nominations.

Get That Straight

[pgardn]

Yes McConnell said to hell with having a working government and led the charge to breaking it. I'd really love to hear your explanation about how Harry Reid's November 2013 rule change caused Mitch McConnell to fundamentally change the senate in January 2009, which he absolutely did with his obstructionism. And yes blue team has to play dirty now since those are the new rules of the game and any other action would lead to complete dominance by the red team. McConnell set it all in motion and this hyperpartisanship will be his legacy.

He did not fundamentally change anything.
He used fear to give his party an advantage and because he vocalized what is said by both parties behind closed doors.
This first is not new. The second was a political calculation that worked. He knew what the majority of the voting country was thinking.

So Harry Reid counters by changing rules.
Win the Senate and the House and the presidency. Elections matter.
Like taking the House back.

So you become hyper partisan to counter it.
Does this include lying and trying to dismantle the press?

[pgardn]

Only because Bitch McC was blocking, slow-walking ALL of Obama's nominations.

Get That Straight

Im saying you dont change the rules that can lead to one party taking a tyrannical hold of the judiciary.
And win fckn elections.

Elections YOU dont believe in anyway so get the hell off this site fcked and unfcked.

[Winehole23]

Because they said they were against Trump to the cameras too and then voted with him just like McConnell.Bunch of conformists pretending to hew to Trump dislike while defending his actions to the nth.

Motif.

[baseline bum]

He did not fundamentally change anything.
He used fear to give his party an advantage and because he vocalized what is said by both parties behind closed doors.
This first is not new. The second was a political calculation that worked. He knew what the majority of the voting country was thinking.

So Harry Reid counters by changing rules.
Win the Senate and the House and the presidency. Elections matter.
Like taking the House back.

So you become hyper partisan to counter it.
Does this include lying and trying to dismantle the press?

Are you honestly trying to tell me McConnell's unprecendented obstructionism wasn't a fundamental change to the senate? I'd put the blame on Harry Reid if he came and changed that rule in 2009 but it's McConnell who changed the senate that year. And yes the Democrats have to become obstructionists to the GOP in kind. Why should only GOP laws get passed? I don't know why you keep telling me about about shutting down the press. I mean Democrats shouldn't vote for any GOP nominee to the supreme court. I mean they should filibuster the GOP's agenda the same way the GOP did to the Democrats.

[baseline bum]

Bunch of conformists pretending to hew to Trump dislike while defending his actions to the nth.

Motif.

The most disgusting thing was when Ben Sasse talked about how credible he found Christine Blasey Ford right before he jumped in with his rant about the Democrats timing of the allegations going public to justify his vote for Kavanaugh. Now we can have a Supreme Court built in the image of our dysfunctional congress.

[pgardn]

Are you honestly trying to tell me McConnell's unprecendented obstructionism wasn't a fundamental change to the senate? I'd put the blame on Harry Reid if he came and changed that rule in 2009 but it's McConnell who changed the senate that year. And yes the Democrats have to become obstructionists to the GOP in kind. Why should only GOP laws get passed? I don't know why you keep telling me about about shutting down the press. I mean Democrats shouldn't vote for any GOP nominee to the supreme court. I mean they should filibuster the GOP's agenda the same way the GOP did to the Democrats.

The honest call imo:
McConnell's clearly stated goal to thwart Obama requires political backing from voters.
What happened to Congress while Obama won the presidency again?

If you are lauding then bashing McConnell's accurate reading of the voting public then Im with you.
But saying he McConnell initiated this is far from complete.
People believed it must be done.

This is my point. WE have a choice.
This is still being used against McConnell, heck I have used it.
But it requires nods from the voting public. He read this. He read the sentiment of the voting public. He stated out loud what he would attempt to do!
So Harry Reid changes rules.

And this is all before Trump's surprise victory.
So now look at the situation. blue team thought it would be appointing SC nominees.
Now you got pond scum like Chris and Spurter euphoric. And poor Ginsburg trying to hold on. Not to mention the overhaul at the lower level judgeships..

[baseline bum]

The honest call imo:
McConnell's clearly stated goal to thwart Obama requires political backing from voters.
What happened to Congress while Obama won the presidency again?

If you are lauding then bashing McConnell's accurate reading of the voting public then Im with you.
But saying he McConnell initiated this is far from complete.
People believed it must be done.

This is my point. WE have a choice.
This is still being used against McConnell, heck I have used it.
But it requires nods from the voting public. He read this. He read the sentiment of the voting public. He stated out loud what he would attempt to do!
So Harry Reid changes rules.

And this is all before Trump's surprise victory.
So now look at the situation. blue team thought it would be appointing SC nominees.
Now you got pond scum like Chris and Spurter euphoric. And poor Ginsburg trying to hold on. Not to mention the overhaul at the lower level judgeships..

Blue team was appointing a SC nominee. The one red team asked for before because Obama was compromising. McConnell said fuck compromise just like he had been doing since 2009. The fact that a lot of white people were angry about the scary negro president doesn't change the fact that McConnell was the one in power who made obstructionism the new normal.

[pgardn]

The most disgusting thing was when Ben Sasse talked about how credible he found Christine Blasey Ford right before he jumped in with his rant about the Democrats timing of the allegations going public to justify his vote for Kavanaugh. Now we can have a Supreme Court built in the image of our dysfunctional congress.

They were not the only ones. There were other people in that room that believed her and voted for Kavanaugh.
And thats how bad partisanship can get. And would a Democrat follow the party line to get an ideological, but criminal, comrade in?
Yep.

[baseline bum]

They were not the only ones. There were other people in that room that believed her and voted for Kavanaugh.
And thats how bad partisanship can get. And would a Democrat follow the party line to get an ideological, but criminal, comrade in?
Yep.

Lots of both sides conjecture instead of blaming the party that actually did it for a lifetime SC appointment.

[pgardn]

Blue team was appointing a SC nominee. The one red team asked for before because Obama was compromising. McConnell said fuck compromise just like he had been doing since 2009. The fact that a lot of white people were angry about the scary negro president doesn't change the fact that McConnell was the one in power who made obstructionism the new normal.

There is no way he says this in public without the backing of his team and his team knowing their voters.
McConnell is not a stupid angry man who spouts off like the orange guy he is still learning how to manipulate.

If you are arguing Im not giving enough credit to his evil genius I can accept that. He had to have help. In fact I would say he plays it very safe.

[pgardn]

Lots of both sides conjecture instead of blaming the party that actually did it for a lifetime SC appointment.

Very important position that some senators are still convincing themselves he can be impartial even if he is a liar.

You dont want me to go through a list of Democrats gone bad and lying.

[baseline bum]

Very important position that some senators are still convincing themselves he can be impartial even if he is a liar.

You dont want me to go through a list of Democrats gone bad and lying.

The Democrats would have likely pulled the nomination if in that situation. Senate Democrats forced their own Franken out for way less.

[boutons_deux]

Im saying you dont change the rules that can lead to one party taking a tyrannical hold of the judiciary.
And win fckn elections.

Elections YOU dont believe in anyway so get the hell off this site fcked and unfcked.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

win elections? Obama won, and had the right to have his nominations voted on by the Senate.

btw

GO FUCK YOURSELF

[Spurtacular]

No he took a stand that looks bad right now.
This is not over.
But he took a stand. I happen to think it was incorrect, but in 20 years... We might find out quite a bit about the lying child we have as a leader.
Schiff is a big boy. He had to know it was a stretch unless he has a completely different definition of collusion.

You all up Schiff's butt, bruh.

[Spurtacular]

Trump still might be compromised to some extent given his huge debt in the past and the dirty ways he played with it. I could see this idiot being the first president to spend his retirement days in Russia getting paid as a megaphone for the weakness of US democracy. Give him a TV show.

You need a reality check, dude.

[boutons_deux]

Impeach Trash as soon as SDNY, etc file their financial crimes cases.

Impeach Kavanaugh for Congressional perjury

[Spurtacular]

Pelosi is the "pragmatic" one if we're talking about being keen to her corporate benefactors. She was far left; the slide of Dems is making her look like a centrist these days.

[pgardn]

The Democrats would have likely pulled the nomination if in that situation. Senate Democrats forced their own Franken out for way less.

They had to because they championed the noble cause.
Im glad they did and Im glad he left.
A point for the blue team.

So this is what goes to the voters. You bring up playing fair, not being hypocrites, inclusion, listening to the other side, and you win.
Except you dont. So it does not work, you go dirty.

Imagine if this was some new political movement and we are discussing this in some back room about how we need to take power to further the good fight.
Im a dead man and considered more dangerous than the enemy because... maybe I say we can do this without extreme behavior, and surely I would blunt the fervor of the entire movement. I am the worst antagonist.

Warning:
"Extreme Virtue Signaling in the name of Christ"



Hide the children, but no.
they need to know the truth.
Im tired.

[pgardn]

You need a reality check, dude.

Says the pervert.
Go hump chump ya faggot.

[pgardn]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

win elections? Obama won, and had the right to have his nominations voted on by the Senate.

btw

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Damn I drilled a rotten tooth and the pus did floweth.

Let me help some more.
Trump won the election.
Move on.

Im taking mortar fire from Spurter, RunDMC and Boots.
Next up.

Tomorrow.

[DMC]

They had to because they championed the noble cause.
Im glad they did and Im glad he left.
A point for the blue team.

So this is what goes to the voters. You bring up playing fair, not being hypocrites, inclusion, listening to the other side, and you win.
Except you dont. So it does not work, you go dirty.

Imagine if this was some new political movement and we are discussing this in some back room about how we need to take power to further the good fight.
Im a dead man and considered more dangerous than the enemy because... maybe I say we can do this without extreme behavior, and surely I would blunt the fervor of the entire movement. I am the worst antagonist.

Warning:
"Extreme Virtue Signaling in the name of Christ"



Hide the children, but no.
they need to know the truth.
Im tired.

What kind of drugs did you do in your teens?

[pgardn]

What kind of drugs did you do in your teens?

Running, fishing, and kayaking.

[DMC]

Running, fishing, and kayaking.
Then where ever you work must have some really strong chemicals.

[ElNono]

IMO, she understands how to play the Washington game... unfortunately, that's exactly a big con against her too...

[DMC]

IMO, she understands how to play the Washington game... unfortunately, that's exactly a big con against her too...

Seems less risky though. There's room at the table for several. I don't think she has any legit POTUS hopes, but she wants to not really be targeted by the entire GOP because she toed the line on accusing the POTUS of basically treason.

[ElNono]

Seems less risky though. There's room at the table for several. I don't think she has any legit POTUS hopes, but she wants to not really be targeted by the entire GOP because she toed the line on accusing the POTUS of basically treason.

She's a lot like Mitch in that they're both cutthroat but calculating... there's no room for emotion there, just calculated strategies. Much like Mitch was called a RINO and everything else under the sun when he was in the minority because some people felt he wasn't combative or bombastic enough, same applies to Nancy now.

They're not in it for grandstanding, but if you let them, they'll quietly rip your heart out.

[Spurtacular]

The Democrats would have likely pulled the nomination if in that situation. Senate Democrats forced their own Franken out for way less.

:lol That's cute that you think it's about less or more as if the Dems are caught up on morals.

Frankly, the timing just couldn't have been worse. This came at the height of #MePoo. Dems would've looked like utter fucktards (more than usual, anyways) if they hadn't acted. Even your daddy chump was putting Franken on the altar.

[boutons_deux]

Pelosi ain't gonna disrupt shit

She just told the campaign industry if they work for a primary challenger to a Dem incumber, DNC will not give them any money.

For the Dem establishment, one AOC is one too many.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol That's cute that you think it's about less or more as if the Dems are caught up on morals.

Frankly, the timing just couldn't have been worse. This came at the height of #MePoo. Dems would've looked like utter fucktards (more than usual, anyways) if they hadn't acted. Even your daddy chump was putting Franken on the altar.

Franken got killed by the picture of the no consent double tit squeeze.

[Spurtacular]

Franken got killed by the picture of the no consent double tit squeeze.

Something that would've been recoverable at other times.