Republicans release draft of heath care policy

[RandomGuy]

I read through it, and was struck by the .... BUWAHAHAHAHAHA

fuck, I couldn't keep a straight face. April fools.

The mental defects running the Republican party couldn't come up with a health care solution if you held a constitutionally protected gun to their pointy little head.

[Spurtacular]

Dems fresh off fucking up health care wanting to talk shit.

[UnWantedTheory]

Dems fresh off fucking up health care wanting to talk shit.Yet Republicans have had no issue slowly making it worse without any proposed solution.

[Spurtacular]

Yet Republicans have had no issue slowly making it worse without any proposed solution.

Republicans don't care about fixing it either. They do want to make it more feasible though.

[RandomGuy]

Dems fresh off fucking up health care wanting to talk shit.

What is the Trump party plan, you stupid Kunt?

Go on, tell the class what your Dear Leader has up his ... sleeve. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Republicans don't care about fixing it either. They do want to make it more feasible though.

How are they going to "make it more feasible?"

:lmao You know they can't and won't. They have had fucking decades to come up with a plan, and your brown nosing ass can't give clue one what that plan is, because it doen'st fucking exist, and even stupid shits like you know it.

[Spurtacular]

How are they going to "make it more feasible?"

:lmao You know they can't and won't. They have had fucking decades to come up with a plan, and your brown nosing ass can't give clue one what that plan is, because it doen'st fucking exist, and even stupid shits like you know it.

You're head is so far up your ass. You still think Obamacare was a good thing.

[UnWantedTheory]

Republicans don't care about fixing it either. They do want to make it more feasible though.
I don't care if they didn't want to fix it, all they had to do was not fuck over American citizens by making it worse. If they come up with something better I am all for it, but they just tried to slowly fuck the ACA over so they can point fingers at the Dems. That is the opposite of making it feasible, that is quite simply sabotage for political gain.

[UnWantedTheory]

You're head is so far up your ass. You still think Obamacare was a good thing.Ok, for the sake of argument, let us say the ACA was fucked from the get go. Was making it worse while not having an alternative, helpful to Americans, or harmful to them? The answer is clear to the sane.

[Spurtacular]

I don't care if they didn't want to fix it, all they had to do was not fuck over American citizens by making it worse.

They already did fuck up Americans. Costs don't just skyrocket like that for no reason.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I have a health care solution: Cut all Obamacare funding/tax credits. Everyone pays the same amount for insurance regardless of income, how it should be.

[Pavlov]

Dems fresh off fucking up health care wanting to talk shit.Fresh?

It's been nine years.

:lol derp

[UnWantedTheory]

They already did fuck up Americans. Costs don't just skyrocket like that for no reason.
You did not answer me, so I ask again, why does it make sense for Republicans to make what you deem a failure, even worse? Your high costs became higher thanks to them. I am not defending, nor attacking the ACA, but I do see that Repubs didn't help us by trying to sabotage it. That doesn't mean I am defending the ACA, or that it was perfect, but it was made worse to harm the American people for political gain. How can you defend that shit?

[RandomGuy]

You're head is so far up your ass. You still think Obamacare was a good thing.

The Republicans in Congress think it is a good thing.

Notice they quit trying to repeal it? :lmao

Obamacare was a fucking Republican idea to begin with, moron. I am going to guess you don't know that.

I'm sure you want to jump on the Trump bandwagon and take away peoples health insurance. that is about what idiots like you want to happen.

[RandomGuy]

You're head is so far up your ass. You still think Obamacare was a good thing.

Your head is so far up your ass, you can't even tell me what the Republican solution for health insurance is. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Fresh?

It's been nine years.

:lol derp

So, they didn't vote against repeal? They fucked it all up. Deal with it, psychopath.

[Pavlov]

So, they didn't vote against repeal? They fucked it all up. Deal with it, psychopath.Repeal and replace with what?

[Spurtacular]

You did not answer me, so I ask again, why does it make sense for Republicans to make what you deem a failure, even worse? Your high costs became higher thanks to them. I am not defending, nor attacking the ACA, but I do see that Repubs didn't help us by trying to sabotage it. That doesn't mean I am defending the ACA, or that it was perfect, but it was made worse to harm the American people for political gain. How can you defend that shit?

You're just pretending it wasn't a piece of shit.
My costs more than tripled overnight when obamacare was implemented. You have your head up your ass.

[Spurtacular]

Repeal and replace with what?

I'm not getting into that mind numbing bull shit. It has no relevance on Democrats fucking shit up.

[Spurtacular]

Your head is so far up your ass, you can't even tell me what the Republican solution for health insurance is. :lmao

:lol Same talking point over and over.

[Pavlov]

I'm not getting into that mind numbing bull shit. It has no relevance on Democrats fucking shit up.There was nothing to replace it.

OK.

[Spurtacular]

There was nothing to replace it.

OK.

:cry Nothing to replace the scam with :cry

:lmao Psychopav Chump spouting talking points

[Pavlov]

:cry Nothing to replace the scam with :cry

:lmao Psychopav Chump spouting talking pointsOK, what was their plan?

Disprove my talking point.

[johnsmith]

I’m still confused as to why anyone would think a democrat or republican In our federal government is going to come up with anything worth a shit regarding insurance. They’ve ALL proven to be a waste of time and helped to increase costs....that’s it....that’s all they’ve done. But keep arguing over which party wants to help more.

[Spurtacular]

OK, what was their plan?

Disprove my talking point.

Have I said a good word about Republicans?

:cry Muh team :cry

[Pavlov]

Have I said a good word about Republicans? Did they have a plan?

Yes or no.

[UnWantedTheory]

You're just pretending it wasn't a piece of shit.
My costs more than tripled overnight when obamacare was implemented. You have your head up your ass.
So you can't answer the question. I also never said it didn't suck you fucking moron. I asked why it made sense to make something you think sucks, even worse for Americans? You can't answer that because it would force you to admit to being the fucking idiot you are.

[Spurs Homer]

I’m still confused as to why anyone would think a democrat or republican In our federal government is going to come up with anything worth a shit regarding insurance. They’ve ALL proven to be a waste of time and helped to increase costs....that’s it....that’s all they’ve done. But keep arguing over which party wants to help more.

I agree with you - but what is the solution?

When a Dem says he has a plan for Universal care - what happens?

The right screams "socialism" "how are you going to pay for it"

When Trump gifts 2 trillion to the 1% richest -ZERO people on the right asked "how will you pay for it"

or worse yet -

they accept the "it will pay for itself" bullshit.

So what is the answer - do nothing?

[boutons_deux]

There is no solution to how Capitalism is fucking America. The oligarchy has too much wealth = political power.

The rigged, predatory, wealth-sucking status quo is untouchable. Just bend over and pay up.

[RandomGuy]

:lol Same talking point over and over.

Same inability to admit that they don't have a plan over and over.

Would it be so hard to admit that the Republicans don't really give a shit about whether non-rich people have health care?

[RandomGuy]

I’m still confused as to why anyone would think a democrat or republican In our federal government is going to come up with anything worth a shit regarding insurance. They’ve ALL proven to be a waste of time and helped to increase costs....that’s it....that’s all they’ve done. But keep arguing over which party wants to help more.

Every other major indutrialized economy has come up with a national health insurance plan.

Every.
Other.
One.

This shit is not hard, but for the fact that Republicans cry wolf over anything that isn't "muh free market" even when the free market doesn't work.

[RandomGuy]

You're just pretending it wasn't a piece of shit.
My costs more than tripled overnight when obamacare was implemented. You have your head up your ass.

Boo fucking hoo. You probably had a sucker policy that didn't cover most things, and would have bankrupted your ass in a heartbeat for anything halfway major. There is a reason one third of all gofundme campaigns are for health care.

[ElNono]

it’s difficult, tbh, there’s no sensible approach to healthcare reform that improves the current or previous systems that wouldn’t cap costs, include tax hikes, or significant govt subsidies. None of that really goes with the conservative agenda.

It’s really not laughing matter either.

[johnsmith]

Every other major indutrialized economy has come up with a national health insurance plan.

Every.
Other.
One.

This shit is not hard, but for the fact that Republicans cry wolf over anything that isn't "muh free market" even when the free market doesn't work.

I totally agree....but from what I’ve seen, neither party has our best interest in mind....never have, never will....so nothing changes. I realize how cynical and awful and short sighted that sounds, but it’s just kinda where I’m at with my opinion of our government.

[johnsmith]

I agree with you - but what is the solution?

When a Dem says he has a plan for Universal care - what happens?

The right screams "socialism" "how are you going to pay for it"

When Trump gifts 2 trillion to the 1% richest -ZERO people on the right asked "how will you pay for it"

or worse yet -

they accept the "it will pay for itself" bullshit.

So what is the answer - do nothing?

No, you’re correct in my opinion. The answer should definitely not be “do nothing”. I just don’t think it matters anymore because neither party really cares. I’ve just been beaten down by political talk to the point I don’t think it’s ever going to be resolved.

[johnsmith]

There is no solution to how Capitalism is fucking America. The oligarchy has too much wealth = political power.

The rigged, predatory, wealth-sucking status quo is untouchable. Just bend over and pay up.

This is the most correct thing Boutons has ever posted. Actually, I probably agree with him more than I’d care to admit.

[Spurs Homer]

No, you’re correct in my opinion. The answer should definitely not be “do nothing”. I just don’t think it matters anymore because neither party really cares. I’ve just been beaten down by political talk to the point I don’t think it’s ever going to be resolved.

Well - if Dems could muster up some balls and respond when they get attacked and are called socialists -

they should respond with

"the republican party believes that only the elites deserve health care and they do not care if poor people die"

this should even the playing field.
But they are too nice.

[johnsmith]

Boo fucking hoo. You probably had a sucker policy that didn't cover most things, and would have bankrupted your ass in a heartbeat for anything halfway major. There is a reason one third of all gofundme campaigns are for health care.

I had a policy through work. A good one. And it also tripled overnight.

[TSA]

I had a policy through work. A good one. And it also tripled overnight.

My healthcare is still covered 100% through my work and they said nothing will change. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this bullshit.

[CosmicCowboy]

Of course they have one. Don't get sick.

[johnsmith]

My healthcare is still covered 100% through my work and they said nothing will change. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this bullshit.

I ended up going to work for a large company which helped a fair bit.

[boutons_deux]

Report: Sean Hannity worked with Trump and Republicans on health care policy

This latest example of a Fox host advising the president further

proves there is little separation between Fox News and the Trump administration

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/04/04/report-sean-hannity-worked-trump-and-republicans-health-care-policy/223339?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29 (https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/04/04/report-sean-hannity-worked-trump-and-republicans-health-care-policy/223339?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29)

[spurraider21]

it’s difficult, tbh, there’s no sensible approach to healthcare reform that improves the current or previous systems that wouldn’t cap costs, include tax hikes, or significant govt subsidies. None of that really goes with the conservative agenda.

It’s really not laughing matter either.
so play the first video on mute while having the second video on in the background just for audio. for best effect start the first video at 0:25


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdb4CemRTA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuL687HGfjI

[Spurtacular]

So you can't answer the question.

Stopped reading here.
Sorry you can't grasp a simple reality.
What part of my costs more than triple don't you understand?

[Spurtacular]

Same inability to admit that they don't have a plan over and over.



Yea, people would stop getting healthcare if Obamacare was shot down.

It's a talking point, bruh.

[UnWantedTheory]

Stopped reading here.
Sorry you can't grasp a simple reality.
What part of my costs more than triple don't you understand?
Are you incapable of comprehending what I said, or are you intentionally ignoring the real point? Again, for the sake of argument I will agree and say the ACA was complete and utter horse shit. I fucking hate it and it was implemented by the Dark Devil. Now how does making it worse help Americans you fucking retard?

[Spurtacular]

Are you incapable of comprehending what I said, or are you intentionally ignoring the real point? Again, for the sake of argument I will agree and say the ACA was complete and utter horse shit. I fucking hate it and it was implemented by the Dark Devil. Now how does making it worse help Americans you fucking retard?

It can't get worse on a large scale in terms of overall cost. It's a piece of shit. Scams don't get better.

[ElNono]

It can't get worse on a large scale in terms of overall cost. It's a piece of shit. Scams don't get better.

Not putting Spurtacular on the spot, but this is in a nutshell the cookie-cut conservative answer, tbh. Obamacare so bad = anything else better. The problem with this answer is:

1) It glosses over the McCain vote derailed repeal only. After 8 years and finding themselves with full control of Congress and the Executive, there was still no replace plan, despite the yearly calls for repeal and replace.

2) While Obamacare clearly did not address cost, it’s undeniably popular because addressed better access. Anything that replaces it and can be considered ‘better’ would need to keep as much access (ie: pre existing conditions, affordability for lower income persons, etc) which is problematic because it needs govt intervention one way or another.

3) Paul Ryan as VP candidate put together probably the closest thing to a formal conservative plan for replacement, which included turning Medicare into a voucher program, reliance on HSAs, and basically did not address cost or access. People voted for Obama (and Obamacare) by a fairly wide margin.

4) It never helps either that the biggest argument against Obamacare was that it’s a job killer, yet the country employment level has been excellent by any measurable standard.

The last time there was a significant conservative addition to healthcare was Medicare part D. Was completely unfunded, and earned Dubya the RINO moniker from his peers (despite it wasn’t decried as socialism).

I don’t think Congress is gonna get it done, IMO. It might just take Trump and an executive order.

[CosmicCowboy]

Congress has become totally dysfunctional. They won't get anything done on healthcare OR immigration.

[pgardn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdb4CemRTA


]

1:50

” I don’t repeat myself”
” I don’t repeat myself “

He never ceases to amaze and stupefy.

[pgardn]

Congress has become totally dysfunctional. They won't get anything done on healthcare OR immigration.

When the executive branch shows zero leader ship through inept policy.
There is no Will to even work with the red congress on tough issues.

[CosmicCowboy]

When the executive branch shows zero leader ship through inept policy.
There is no Will to even work with the red congress on tough issues.

The congressional dysfunction predates Trump, unless you are including Obama in that description.

[pgardn]

The congressional dysfunction predates Trump, unless you are including Obama in that description.

True

Except Health care was addressed.

[RandomGuy]

I had a policy through work. A good one. And it also tripled overnight.

The addition of pre-existing conditions, and pre-emptory raises in premium will do that.

Can't speak to how the actuaries in your plan managed to get that substantiated. This is why we need to increase income taxes on the wealthy, because you can bet your ass they are earning money on the profits from your health insurer, and paying less in taxes than you do.

[RandomGuy]

I totally agree....but from what I’ve seen, neither party has our best interest in mind....never have, never will....so nothing changes. I realize how cynical and awful and short sighted that sounds, but it’s just kinda where I’m at with my opinion of our government.

That may change. Single payer is now being discussed at the progressive end of the Democratic party, and Medicare for all is a good first step, something the right will fight tooth and nail.

The two sides are NOT equal, but hey, I can't fault anybody for being cynical at this point. Just don't let the "both sides are equal" it cloud your thinking too much. That is an assumption that MUST always be challenged. Flat earth and globe earth theories are a good example of why that is.

[RandomGuy]

The congressional dysfunction predates Trump, unless you are including Obama in that description.

Here is your sides total, hypocritical double standard, i.e. Obama Derangement Syndrome, a play in three minutes:

What If Fox News Covered Trump the Way It Covered Obama?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

[boutons_deux]

A broken Congress, less than 15% public approval, is absolutely desired by the oligarchy, since they have rigged the status quo and don't want it touched.

Meanwhile, the oligarchy's whores in Trash's Exec continue to "neo-liberalize", aka destroy, their agencies.

Meanwhile, Bitch McC rams through in groups young incompetent ideologues into their Federal robes for life.

and the political SCOTUS whores will permit the citizenship question and approve partisan gerrymandering.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[baseline bum]

That may change. Single payer is now being discussed at the progressive end of the Democratic party, and Medicare for all is a good first step, something the right will fight tooth and nail.

The two sides are NOT equal, but hey, I can't fault anybody for being cynical at this point. Just don't let the "both sides are equal" it cloud your thinking too much. That is an assumption that MUST always be challenged. Flat earth and globe earth theories are a good example of why that is.

The Democrats are going to fight it tooth and nail too. I have no hope for the party after they have been shitting on Bernie and AOC. You think they'd learn something from the asskicking they took thanks to Clinton but nope. They want to be the party of Clinton and not the party of FDR.

[boutons_deux]

"Single payer is now being discussed at the progressive end of the Democratic party, and Medicare for all is a good first step"

The right will fight because BigHealthCare pays them VERY WELL to fight.

Reducing America's cost of health care means reducing BigHealthCare's income, profits

BHC simply will not allow that and have the $$$ to protect their profits.

The power of the oligarchy is not open to challenge.

[RandomGuy]

The congressional dysfunction predates Trump, unless you are including Obama in that description.

Seen the Republican solution to health care/insurance yet?