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InRareForm
04-05-2019, 12:08 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/specials/politics/20190306-2020-election-odds-who-will-be-the-next-us-president

in2deep
04-05-2019, 12:14 PM
Tulzi is really good bet

phxspurfan
04-05-2019, 12:31 PM
Gregg Popovich +10000

which one of you neckbeards put this in

rmt
04-06-2019, 01:02 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/specials/politics/20190306-2020-election-odds-who-will-be-the-next-us-president

Isn't that from a month ago? Things have changed since.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 01:12 PM
:lol @ the TDS of these fake odds makers.

Trump only at +150

Will Hunting
04-06-2019, 02:09 PM
How did the odds for Trump not move at all after the Mueller report? At the very least 2020 is a coin flip but imo Trump is the favorite over whoever wins the Dem primary.

ducks
04-06-2019, 02:53 PM
Wall Street insiders say over 70 percent trump wins 2020

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 02:55 PM
Wall Street insiders say over 70 percent trump wins 2020

:cry But +150 :cry

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 02:56 PM
How did the odds for Trump not move at all after the Mueller report? At the very least 2020 is a coin flip but imo Trump is the favorite over whoever wins the Dem primary.

Cos they're fake odds, bruh. Media always doing narrative. Have you not learned this yet?

Will Hunting
04-06-2019, 03:07 PM
Cos they're fake odds, bruh. Media always doing narrative. Have you not learned this yet?
The bookmakers have formulas they use based off where the money is going, they’re not going to throw money away for a media narrative.

i think they’re probably getting a lot of action in the other direction. The whole point of their odds are to get action on both sides.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 03:08 PM
The bookmakers have formulas they use based off where the money is going, they’re not going to throw money away for a media narrative.

i think they’re probably getting a lot of action in the other direction. The whole point of their odds are to get action on both sides.

Sure, real book makers. That has nothing to do with this fake odds page.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 03:10 PM
The bookmakers have formulas they use based off where the money is going, they’re not going to throw money away for a media narrative.

i think they’re probably getting a lot of action in the other direction. The whole point of their odds are to get action on both sides.

Yeah, plus at 150, he’s still 4+ times favorite over second best (700, Bernie)

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 03:16 PM
Yeah, plus at 150, he’s still 4+ times favorite over second best (700, Bernie)

And your point is?

Pavlov
04-06-2019, 03:21 PM
And your point is?You're upset that Trump is the favorite.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 03:44 PM
And your point is?

That they don’t look like entirely unrealistic odds

ElNono
04-06-2019, 03:47 PM
Bovada odds, pretty much in-line:

https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

ducks
04-06-2019, 03:50 PM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/56337146_1108191769520828_184014905974718464_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=fe64fe95a3d8063b0de912114b3dc3da&oe=5D4B2214

LaSíSí
04-06-2019, 05:33 PM
That they don’t look like entirely unrealistic odds

An incumbent with a 50 percent approval rating and no threat from his party and against a weak field at 3-2 is realistic?

:lmao Partisan hack
:lmao Your not even half-hearted attempt at justifying the BS odds coming into focus.

Pavlov
04-06-2019, 06:30 PM
An incumbent with a 50 percent approval rating and no threat from his party and against a weak field at 3-2 is realistic?

:lmao Partisan hack
:lmao Your not even half-hearted attempt at justifying the BS odds coming into focus.Why did you change your screen name for that?

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 06:46 PM
Bovada odds, pretty much in-line:

https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

Then I guess if those odds are real, then the odds makers are not very smart. Trump's chances are basically north of 50 percent.

At Republicans +120 and Trump +175, they seem to be building way too much into the idea that Trump won't run for re-election and/or get beaten in a primary.

Millennial_Messiah
04-06-2019, 08:19 PM
How did the odds for Trump not move at all after the Mueller report? At the very least 2020 is a coin flip but imo Trump is the favorite over whoever wins the Dem primary.

President Bernie would be awesome, but Trump winning would be better than many of the Dems.

Trump is the favorite simply because he's the incumbent. IIRC most people in 2011 thought Obama was going down, especially after Benghazi. But... he was just fine in Nov. 2012. Incumbency is a real thing. If Trump can win 35-40% of the Latino vote like Bush did in 2004, the Dems have zero chance.

ducks
04-06-2019, 08:54 PM
There are more registered Republicans in California than in any other state. In the 2016 election, Trump received more votes in California than in every state except Texas and Florida. The press apparently doesn't like to visit the counties in California where Trump is popular

ducks
04-06-2019, 08:57 PM
43% of the counties in Calif voted in favor of Trump/Pence. Hardly wildly unpopular.

Will Hunting
04-06-2019, 09:57 PM
Then I guess if those odds are real, then the odds makers are not very smart. Trump's chances are basically north of 50 percent.

At Republicans +120 and Trump +175, they seem to be building way too much into the idea that Trump won't run for re-election and/or get beaten in a primary.
It’s an especially stupid idea since the incumbent losing his own primary (Trump or anyone else for that matter) would mean an extremely divided base that has no chance at winning a general.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 09:59 PM
Then I guess if those odds are real, then the odds makers are not very smart. Trump's chances are basically north of 50 percent.

At Republicans +120 and Trump +175, they seem to be building way too much into the idea that Trump won't run for re-election and/or get beaten in a primary.


Do you understand how betting lines work? Those odds give Trump way over 50% odds. 2nd best odds pay 12x as much.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:00 PM
An incumbent with a 50 percent approval rating and no threat from his party and against a weak field at 3-2 is realistic?

:lmao Partisan hack
:lmao Your not even half-hearted attempt at justifying the BS odds coming into focus.


what?

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:02 PM
+150 means you get $50 back for every $100 you bet.

Bernie is 2nd best at +700, meaning you get back $600 for every $100 you bet.

Obviously the lesser return has the better odds.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 10:03 PM
Do you understand how betting lines work? Those odds give Trump way over 50% odds. 2nd best odds pay 12x as much.

That's not how it works. If they thought Trump was > 50% he'd probably be coming in at 4-5. As another poster said, there is some room for alterations based on getting people to vote on both sides. But +175 is way too high. If even 40 percent were betting on Trump and he won, the sites would take a bath.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:04 PM
I mean, we’re still a year out, lots of things can happen between now and then. Those are probably fairly conservative odds.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:06 PM
That's not how it works. If they thought Trump was > 50% he'd probably be coming in at 4-5. As another poster said, there is some room for alterations based on getting people to vote on both sides. But +175 is way too high. If even 40 percent were betting on Trump and he won, the sites would take a bath.

This early, the odds are stacked towards making big gambles, which end up being the biggest losers too. ie: anything past trump pays 12x or more, that’s the bait the casinos are interested in. Only one Democrat will survive the primary, so they’ll make their money with that field alone.

Will Hunting
04-06-2019, 10:09 PM
+150 means you get $50 back for every $100 you bet.

Bernie is 2nd best at +700, meaning you get back $600 for every $100 you bet.

Obviously the lesser return has the better odds.

He’s actually right here, tbh.

+150 means you get 150 for every 100 you bet. Getting $50 for every $100 you bet would be a line of -200.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 10:34 PM
He’s actually right here, tbh.

+150 means you get 150 for every 100 you bet. Getting $50 for every $100 you bet would be a line of -200.
ElNono

Typically 50/50 would be -110.

If it's 55/45 Trump, the line would be around -120, -130.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:41 PM
He’s actually right here, tbh.

+150 means you get 150 for every 100 you bet. Getting $50 for every $100 you bet would be a line of -200.


ElNono

Typically 50/50 would be -110.

If it's 55/45 Trump, the line would be around -120, -130.

You guys are correct and I'm wrong. Apologies. I did look up the lines and those I posted are for Bovada.

I do still think it's way too early to form any kind of opinion based on the lines, and I also do think they'll make most of their money from the Dem field.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 10:49 PM
You guys are correct and I'm wrong. Apologies. I did look up the lines and those I posted are for Bovada.

I do still think it's way too early to form any kind of opinion based on the lines, and I also do think they'll make most of their money from the Dem field.

I put Trump's odds of winning at 60 percent or better. So, I just wonder if a legit site is really offering +175. If I was at a Vegas Sports Book, I'd put maybe the largest bet I've ever done on that.

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:54 PM
I don't do online betting on presidential stuff b/c I don't know if these sites cut and run or whatever. But if I was at a Vegas sports book and Trump was +175, I'd put maybe the biggest bet I've ever done. I question whether a site is truly giving those bets. Maybe they're factoring in mortality / health or something at this point / people betting heavy on Dems or something.

There's only a few reputable online sites, like, say, BWin, which have a large euro presence. I don't do political gambling either.

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 10:54 PM
I had to check and see if some Vegas sports book was taking political bets just in case...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/they-wont-take-your-bet-on-the-election-in-las-vegas/

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 10:55 PM
There's only a few reputable online sites, like, say, BWin, which have a large euro presence. I don't do political gambling either.

What's the full web address of bwin?

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:57 PM
What's the full web address of bwin?

https://www.bwin.com/

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:57 PM
They won't take US bettors tho

ElNono
04-06-2019, 10:59 PM
https://sports.bwin.com/en/sports/61/betting/politics#sportId=61

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 11:00 PM
https://www.bwin.com/

Looks good. I have stayed away from online cos I hear stuff about not having protections from the feds/banks.

apalisoc_9
04-06-2019, 11:01 PM
Lets go Bernie!!!!!

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 11:01 PM
Lets go Bernie!!!!!

:lol Faggot troll.

ducks
04-06-2019, 11:15 PM
Damm I might have to drop 10k on trump

Spurtacular
04-06-2019, 11:27 PM
Damm I might have to drop 10k on trump

Trump at +135 to win on https://sports.bwin.com/en/sports/61/betting/politics#sportId=61

I'd be willing to drop a couple bills on that if I did online betting, tbh.

ducks
04-07-2019, 03:36 PM
Make 13k

JokicParty
04-07-2019, 05:27 PM
If Dems were smart they would run Klobuchar. She's smart as a whip and wouldn't alienate moderates in swing states - I think she would beat Trump.

baseline bum
04-07-2019, 05:29 PM
If Dems were smart they would run Klobuchar. She's smart as a whip and wouldn't alienate moderates in swing states - I think she would beat Trump.

That worked so well running an intelligent female moderate in 2016.

JokicParty
04-07-2019, 05:42 PM
That worked so well running an intelligent female moderate in 2016.

Clinton is quite far to the left of Klobuchar.

I would also trust Amy to campaign more in Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.

baseline bum
04-07-2019, 05:48 PM
Clinton is quite far to the left of Klobuchar.


:lmao at center right Clinton being too far to the left

spurraider21
04-07-2019, 05:49 PM
Yeah, plus at 150, he’s still 4+ times favorite over second best (700, Bernie)
its misleading at this point because you're splitting democrat votes quite a bit among the candidates while the incumbent has party unity at this point

Will Hunting
04-07-2019, 05:51 PM
Clinton is quite far to the left of Klobuchar.
:lmao what a crock of shit

ElNono
04-07-2019, 07:50 PM
Clinton is quite far to the left of Klobuchar.

:rollin

Spurtacular
04-07-2019, 10:48 PM
:lmao Chumpettes pretending Democrats are centrists at this point.

Chris
04-09-2019, 06:20 PM
Odds to be the 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee:

Bernie Sanders +300
Kamala Harris +350
Joe Biden +400
Beto O'Rourke +450
Andrew Yang +900
Amy Klobuchar +1000
Pete Buttigieg +1400
Cory Booker/Elizabeth Warren +1800
Kirsten Gillibrand/Tulsi Gabbard +2000

Spurtacular
04-09-2019, 08:35 PM
Odds to be the 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee:

Bernie Sanders +300
Kamala Harris +350
Joe Biden +400
Beto O'Rourke +450
Andrew Yang +900
Amy Klobuchar +1000
Pete Buttigieg +1400
Cory Booker/Elizabeth Warren +1800
Kirsten Gillibrand/Tulsi Gabbard +2000

These candidates are so sorry. It's no wonder Dems went all in on the illusion of their groomed felon in 2016.

CosmicCowboy
04-09-2019, 08:40 PM
Media is sure loving Buttigieg. He could be a fun throwaway bet at 1400.

CosmicCowboy
04-09-2019, 08:41 PM
I honestly don't see how Trump wins again. That's the sucker bet.

Nbadan
04-10-2019, 01:18 AM
I honestly don't see how Trump wins again. That's the sucker bet.

I could see it given the right third party candidate tbh

apalisoc_9
04-10-2019, 01:55 AM
These numbers are misleading. Once the Democrats can figure out who they would want to run, its most likely going to be -110 moneyline for trump and a something very close for the democrat candidate.

Democrats will win the popular vote no question.

I still cant believe hillary won the popular vote. One of the all time Worst candidate.

Shes like demar derozan trying to win MVP votes.

CosmicCowboy
04-10-2019, 08:58 AM
These numbers are misleading. Once the Democrats can figure out who they would want to run, its most likely going to be -110 moneyline for trump and a something very close for the democrat candidate.

Democrats will win the popular vote no question.

I still cant believe hillary won the popular vote. One of the all time Worst candidate.

Shes like demar derozan trying to win MVP votes.

It was literally just two states that gave her the popular vote. New York and California.

Spurtacular
04-10-2019, 08:59 AM
These numbers are misleading. Once the Democrats can figure out who they would want to run, its most likely going to be -110 moneyline for trump and a something very close for the democrat candidate.

Democrats will win the popular vote no question.

I still cant believe hillary won the popular vote. One of the all time Worst candidate.

Shes like demar derozan trying to win MVP votes.

You think whatever scrub the Dems nominate will get the same odds as a successful sitting president and businessman?

CosmicCowboy
04-10-2019, 09:02 AM
You think whatever scrub the Dems nominate will get the same odds as a successful sitting president and businessman?

Yes

Spurtacular
04-10-2019, 09:07 AM
Yes

Wouldn't be surprised. It's sad though.

spurraider21
04-10-2019, 11:49 AM
It was literally just two states that gave her the popular vote. New York and California.
and?

that doesn't diminish it.

california is just 1 state but it contains millions of individuals. they dont vote as a collective, so thats a really dumb way of looking at it imo. why would you diminish the relevance of somebody's vote because of where they live?

boutons_deux
04-10-2019, 12:10 PM
Trash would solidly repeat if

he exposed everything's he is and has been hiding

tax returns

Mueller report

health records

one-on-one conversations with Pootin

and they all confirmed what his has been saying

a slam fucking, backboard-smashing dunk

CosmicCowboy
04-10-2019, 12:41 PM
and?

that doesn't diminish it.

california is just 1 state but it contains millions of individuals. they dont vote as a collective, so thats a really dumb way of looking at it imo. why would you diminish the relevance of somebody's vote because of where they live?

I didn't diminish it, the US Constitution did. As the name implies, the US is a union of STATES. The whole system was set up so that the largest and most populous states didn't automatically rule the other states.

spurraider21
04-10-2019, 12:53 PM
I didn't diminish it, the US Constitution did. As the name implies, the US is a union of STATES. The whole system was set up so that the largest and most populous states didn't automatically rule the other states.
im not talking about the electoral college

you brushed off the popular vote difference as "it came from 2 states"

who cares if it was from 2 states or 22?

CosmicCowboy
04-10-2019, 12:55 PM
im not talking about the electoral college

you brushed off the popular vote difference as "it came from 2 states"

who cares if it was from 2 states or 22?

Apparently you do. I was just stating a fact. FWIW it's happened at least 8 times before.

spurraider21
04-10-2019, 01:00 PM
Apparently you do. I was just stating a fact. FWIW it's happened at least 8 times before.
i'm not talking about the electoral college.

CitizenDwayne
04-10-2019, 03:02 PM
Fuck New York and Cali, that ain’t real America!