Dirk is retiring

[benefactor]

per Shams

Cheers Dirk. Easily my favorite non Spur.

[DMC]

I thought this was a foregone conclusion, no?

[HarlemHeat37]

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[Texas_Ranger]

mavs ceremony was way better than Wade's. Dirk also didn't seek attention the whole year.

[Chris Fall]

I was convinced since the beginning of the season he would retire after this season. But when Doncic became an instant superstar and they traded for the unicorn, I do think he seriously reconsidered.

The Porzingrape likely swayed it back the other way.

[lmbebo]

Why was Charles, Kemp?!, Bird, Scottie and ...? there?

[Chillen]

Amazing player, his game will be missed.

[Sportstudi]

Why was Charles, Kemp?!, Bird, Scottie and ...? there?

Probably because (at least as far as I remember) they were part of that Nike Hoops Heroes tour back in 1997 (?). In that game Dirk dunked over Barkley.

[WallyTiger]

real legend
respect

[spursistan]

Dirk's one ring worth >>>>>>>>>> Durbeta coming Threepeat.

A true legend of the game. So long.

[Killakobe81]

I moved to dfw in 2010 one year before he beat the, Heatles in 2011 he may only have missed one or two jumpers that mattered all year.
Best pure shooting season I ever saw when you factor in the Finals. Steph had a better regular season recently and Bird had some damn good ones too but 2011 Dirk, shot the shit out the ball.

[Jodelo]

Why was Charles, Kemp?!, Bird, Scottie and ...? there?

His childhood heroes.

[lefty]

Always refreshing to see a player who didn’t look up to MJ

[pad300]

Respect. Pour one out.

[phxspurfan]

One of the last great players from the Golden Era of b-ball going out

[MultiTroll]

2011 playoffs putting the nail in Kirbys retirement was fabulous.

[lefty]

2011 playoffs putting the nail in Kirbys retirement was fabulous.
2011 playoffs Dirk is perhaps the greatest individual title run ever.
Unstoppable and made a lot of clutch shots

[Killakobe81]

2011 playoffs Dirk is perhaps the greatest individual title run ever.
Unstoppable and made a lot of clutch shots

It was uncanny and he did it in the regular season too ...

[Splits]

What? No retirement tour year?

[benefactor]

2011 playoffs Dirk is perhaps the greatest individual title run ever.
Unstoppable and made a lot of clutch shots
Dream was pretty good too tbh

[FrostKing]

Always refreshing to see a player who didn’t look up to MJ
WRONG. He stated Jordan is the only one whom didn't show

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don`t respect any white man with mixed race children.

[lefty]

Dream was pretty good too tbh

Damn I forgot about him :lol

[lefty]

It was uncanny and he did it in the regular season too ...

Yup

[Mugen]

Dirk is the last of the non-bitchmade superstars tbh. Props to him on a great career.

[Dirks_Finale]

2011 playoffs Dirk is perhaps the greatest individual title run ever.
Unstoppable and made a lot of clutch shots

It was incredible to watch. I'd also put Duncan's 03 run in there as well.

[benefactor]

Damn I forgot about him :lol
Det 95 run tho...33/10/4.5/3:wow

[FkLA]

I've grown to like him and respect him. Great career, his one legged fadeaway was probably a Top 5 most unstoppable move of any player. Maybe even Top 3. 5th best PF and Top 40 player of all-time. :tu

[spurraider21]

one of the best power forwards of his era in the midwest/southwest division

[Mark Celibate]

I was convinced since the beginning of the season he would retire after this season. But when Doncic became an instant superstar and they traded for the unicorn, I do think he seriously reconsidered.

The Porzingrape likely swayed it back the other way.

doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would even consider not retiring after this season but who knows? Would've been more awkward than mookie at a TING family reunion if he decided to stay another. Really don't even see the point considering he's legitimately not good enough to make an NBA roster at this point and the whole farewell tour thing. I think he would've had to have known how bad a look it would be.

[MultiTroll]

His claiming Kirby was the player of era over Timmy Duncs is some super weak assed shit tho.

MavRef is the only reason he made it past the Great Timmy in 2006. Stepping on his foot and getting the fucking call.

[LkrFan]

Spurs are classy:
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[ambchang]

Always liked dirk other than those crazy free throws he got. Maintained the entire choke label was unfair well before 2011 and that he was a tough superstar to build around.

Respect his game.

[koriwhat]

good riddance! fuck the mavs!

lets go to the way back machine and now fast forward to the hypocrisy that is this thread.

[Neo.]

I've grown to like him and respect him. Great career, his one legged fadeaway was probably a Top 5 most unstoppable move of any player. Maybe even Top 3. 5th best PF and Top 40 player of all-time. :tu

lol this guy thinking hes throwing subtle shade

[FkLA]

Spurs are classy:
1116135844157505536

Damn :cry

[DAF86]

Never been a huge fan of Dirk's boring game style, tbh, but he's one of the coolest personalities the NBA has ever produced.

[Dirks_Finale]

Spurs are classy:
1116135844157505536

Spurs always do it right. Much respect.

I saw Dirk choke up a bit the previous night in Dallas, but this really hit him and he just couldn't hold back.

Kobe/Duncan/Dirk era is officially over. And it was real fun to watch.

[LkrFan]

Even Bird, the Chuckster and Pip showing love:
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You know you're a badass when HOFers give you props.

[benefactor]

Full tribute...well done SA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzdabvpM2M

[benefactor]

good riddance! fuck the mavs!

lets go to the way back machine and now fast forward to the hypocrisy that is this thread.
No one gives a shit what you think, Joey

[koriwhat]

No one gives a shit what you think, Joey

that may be true but you all were singing another tune about the bigGerm not even a few yrs ago. i'm a bit biased though because i always say, "fuck everyone and all other teams but the spurs!"

i can respect dirk for being in the league for 2 decades but i've always hated his game and despised him for a long time now.

[spurraider21]

dont understand how you can call dirk's game boring.

watching him shoot was one of the best sights in the NBA for the past 2 decades

[Neo.]

dont understand how you can call dirk's game boring.

watching him shoot was one of the best sights in the NBA for the past 2 decades

dafs problem is accepting that dirk > manu

joeys problem is he got brain damage from the beatings he took for giving out crappy tattoos

[Spurs da champs]

Great player, but not a fan as his constant bitching & flailing elbows (dirty AF) werent cool tbh.

[Neo.]

Great pla:cryyer, but not a fan as h:cryis constant bitching & flailing:cry elbows (dirty AF:cry:cry:cry) werent cool tbh.:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[Spurs da champs]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CHPbm9q9wJA/hqdefault.jpg

[R. DeMurre]

I don`t respect any white man with mixed race children.


Holy shit, you're a redneck. Tim Duncan's kids are mixed race. Does that bother you?

[Bynumite]

Skip Bayless just dropped the infamous manu>dirk shit take on national tv :lmao

Spurfans :lmao




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNRNdBfrSw

[Millennial_Messiah]

Holy shit, you're a redneck. Tim Duncan's kids are mixed race. Does that bother you?
Of course not. TD isn't white. And he's one of my all time favorite people, tbh.

Please re-read my post again.

[R. DeMurre]

Of course not. TD isn't white. And he's one of my all time favorite people, tbh.

Please re-read my post again.


Educate me, please. You don't respect white men with mixed race babies, but when Non-white men have mixed race babies, it's ok? I'd love to hear your reasoning for this.

[Rummpd]

Dirk class
Wade attention whore

[benefactor]

that may be true but you all were singing another tune about the bigGerm not even a few yrs ago. i'm a bit biased though because i always say, "fuck everyone and all other teams but the spurs!"

i can respect dirk for being in the league for 2 decades but i've always hated his game and despised him for a long time now.
Really? Find me a post. For years I've always said he was my favorite non spurs player

[DAF86]

dont understand how you can call dirk's game boring.

watching him shoot was one of the best sights in the NBA for the past 2 decades


dafs problem is accepting that dirk > manu

joeys problem is he got brain damage from the beatings he took for giving out crappy tattoos

I'm not saying he sucked, just that I found his game boring, what's so wrong about that? :lol

Dude was a 7 foot stiff with an awkward/ugly looking jumper and a Harden-like hability to draw weak fouls, which angered me as a rival fan.

I didn't know considering Dirk's game boring was some kind of unique take, tbh. You are acting as if I said that Curry's game is boring. :lol

[spurraider21]

I'm not saying he sucked, just that I found his game boring, what's so wrong about that? :lol

Dude was a 7 foot stiff with an awkward/ugly looking jumper and a Harden-like hability to draw weak fouls, which angered me as a rival fan.

I didn't know considering Dirk's game boring was some kind of unique take, tbh. You are acting as if I said that Curry's game is boring. :lol
you're just thinking of old man dirk tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

Educate me, please. You don't respect white men with mixed race babies, but when Non-white men have mixed race babies, it's ok? I'd love to hear your reasoning for this.

The white man should only procreate with White women. To do otherwise is disgusting, bestiality, and a blatant strict violation of the Fourteen Words. Especially when the man has the phallic organ and thus has the power of choice.

When an intelligent, good looking Mixed Black man like Tim Duncan has children with a white woman, it is a mixed story. On one hand, he has improved the diversity of the species. On the other hand, he is likely to be cheated on, because most white women with black men ultimately feel the "guilt" of having given themselves to the Black man. Hence, Amy D. being the cheating slut she was. Awful for such a great human being in Tim Duncan, but unfortunately the most realistic outcome. If TD had married a loyal, faithful Black woman, that would not have happened. Black women are loyal to their Black husbands who are loyal to them.

[Neo.]

Skip Bayless just dropped the infamous manu>dirk shit take on national tv :lmao

Spurfans :lmao




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNRNdBfrSw

:lmao daf

:lmao skip using manu>dirk for shock value proving its one of the worst takes of all time

[koriwhat]

Really? Find me a post. For years I've always said he was my favorite non spurs player

blanket statements aren't always the best to use and i see in this case i was wrong. :tu

[R. DeMurre]

The white man should only procreate with White women. To do otherwise is disgusting, bestiality, and a blatant strict violation of the Fourteen Words. Especially when the man has the phallic organ and thus has the power of choice.

When an intelligent, good looking Mixed Black man like Tim Duncan has children with a white woman, it is a mixed story. On one hand, he has improved the diversity of the species. On the other hand, he is likely to be cheated on, because most white women with black men ultimately feel the "guilt" of having given themselves to the Black man. Hence, Amy D. being the cheating slut she was. Awful for such a great human being in Tim Duncan, but unfortunately the most realistic outcome. If TD had married a loyal, faithful Black woman, that would not have happened. Black women are loyal to their Black husbands who are loyal to them.


So are you a White supremacist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy)?

[Millennial_Messiah]

So are you a White supremacist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy)?

No. I believe all races are equal, but I am firmly against mixed race procreation.

[FrostKing]

No. I believe all races are equal, but I am firmly against mixed race procreation.
IMO if you cut out interracial dating, race issues would have gone ALOT smoother and still to this day.

[Millennial_Messiah]

IMO if you cut out interracial dating, race issues would have gone ALOT smoother and still to this day.

100% Agree.

In both cases it's the man who turns violent/turns his friends violent because the woman of his race is marrying/procreating with a man of the opposite race and they turn jealous, violent, insidious, hateful, venomous, furious. Even when people don't die, racist cultural norms are passed along and it's a vicious cycle. It starts with jokes and turns into serious issues. It's cancerous.

[GAustex]

100% Agree.

In both cases it's the man who turns violent/turns his friends violent because the woman of his race is marrying/procreating with a man of the opposite race and they turn jealous, violent, insidious, hateful, venomous, furious. Even when people don't die, racist cultural norms are passed along and it's a vicious cycle. It starts with jokes and turns into serious issues. It's cancerous.
Boy this thread took a quick change in direction...

What pissed me off about Dirk was he was so unguardable when it seemed he should have been.

[R. DeMurre]

No. I believe all races are equal, but I am firmly against mixed race procreation.


The white man should only procreate with White women. To do otherwise is disgusting, bestiality, and a blatant strict violation of the Fourteen Words.

When an intelligent, good looking Mixed Black man like Tim Duncan has children with a white woman, it is a mixed story. On one hand, he has improved the diversity of the species.


You don't think all races are equal. Read your own words. You're just an old fashioned racist trying to spin your doctrine. Are you really going to quote David Lane, one of the most well known White Nationalists in the world, and act like, oh, I'm not racist? You literally could have quoted anyone that ever lived-- any scientist, philosopher, writer, politician, etc-- and the guy you choose is a violent racist and a famous admirer of Hitler? Give me a break.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You don't think all races are equal. Read your own words. You're just an old fashioned racist trying to spin your doctrine. Are you really going to quote David Lane, one of the most well known White Nationalists in the world, and act like, oh, I'm not racist? You literally could have quoted anyone that ever lived-- any scientist, philosopher, writer, politician, etc-- and the guy you choose is a violent racist and a famous admirer of Hitler? Give me a break.
Hitler wasn't as bad as people paint him out to be today, but his means to an end just escalated from reasonable to bad to worse to historically evil. His idea all along from the late 1920s onward was to make Germany a strong world power and provide an enhanced, wealthy version of socialism (with plenty of room for capitalism) to ethnic Germans. Think basically all the benefits of communism/socialism without any of the negative stuff like super high taxation, government control of your life and business, etc. as long as you're an ethnic German. Basically the Jews, Slavs, and nonwhites were meant to be forced worker bees (but still fed and provide housing) for the benefit of the Germans to all live upper middle class to wealthy lives. Unfortunately things got out of hand when he tried annexing too much territory and pissed off the West and the Soviet Union got too big and powerful for him to ignore. Then, Hitler panicked. But originally, nobody, including Jews, were meant to actually die.

[140]

You don't think all races are equal. Read your own words. You're just an old fashioned racist trying to spin your doctrine. Are you really going to quote David Lane, one of the most well known White Nationalists in the world, and act like, oh, I'm not racist? You literally could have quoted anyone that ever lived-- any scientist, philosopher, writer, politician, etc-- and the guy you choose is a violent racist and a famous admirer of Hitler? Give me a break.
He's just a retard with a lame new schtick :lol don't bother tbh

[FrostKing]

Tiger Woods ex-wife was a Swedish model and their kids together look Indian. How sad that must be for her. Might as well be adopted.

[R. DeMurre]

No. I believe all races are equal, but I am firmly against mixed race procreation.


He's just a retard with a lame new schtick :lol don't bother tbh


It's unbelievable.

[FrostKing]

It's unbelievable.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C-84fwed9QY/hqdefault.jpg

[FkLA]

Manu was better than Dirk but theres no shame in that. Doesn't mean Dirk wasn't special as well, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Hitler wasn't as bad as people paint him out to be today...



Basically the Jews, Slavs, and nonwhites were meant to be forced worker bees (but still fed and provide housing) for the benefit of the Germans to all live upper middle class to wealthy lives.


You realize you're describing slavery, and defending it as justified, right?

[Broly]

the infamous manu>dirk shit take
People actually thought this?

[TDfan2007]

Manu was better than Dirk but theres no shame in that. Doesn't mean Dirk wasn't special as well, tbh.

You can't be serious...

[Mark Celibate]

You can't be serious...

he's shifting the trolling into overdrive, especially now that MM has hijacked this tread tbh

[Kim Jong-il]

Manu was better than Dirk but theres no shame in that. Doesn't mean Dirk wasn't special as well, tbh.
We can see your trolling from the ISS.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Manu was better than Dirk but theres no shame in that. Doesn't mean Dirk wasn't special as well, tbh.

Agreed, tbh. Manu's wife is attractive and beautiful. Can't say the same for Dogface, unfortunately.

[FkLA]

Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to circumstances. Both were special.

[Jodelo]

Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to circumstances. Both were special.

Stick to tranny porn.

[daslicer]

Agreed, tbh. Manu's wife is attractive and beautiful. Can't say the same for Dogface, unfortunately.

:lol aren't you the same guy who was married to a black woman?

[FkLA]

To be honest, Manu vs Dirk is a pretty good debate. I was trying to think who was the better player. The reason I would say Dirk is because teams gameplanned for him and he shouldered more of a load. The reason I'd say Manu is because he made teammates better and was a more complete player, but he didn't shoulder the load, Duncan did. I'd probably give a slight edge to Dirk because he won a ring as the best player on his team without another all-star. That's crazy. In any case, I'll miss them both. We truly lived a golden age of basketball.

Manu won a gold medal with Luis Scola or Andres Nocioni as his second best player. Everything else is just circumstances that were out of Manu's control.

[Agilist]

:lol what exactly is the argument of Manu over Dirk?

More complete player? Who gives a fuck, Rasheed Wallace was a more "complete" player than Shaq. Shaq was slow and all he could do was baby hook and dunk. I mean, why not take Rasheed over him? He could shoot the three, more mobile, and had more moves in teh post!!

Are we talking the fact that he never got a shot to lead a team? You could use that argument for literally any non-franchise player in the NBA. But anybody who's not a brainlet knows that there's nothing special Ginobili brings to the table where a team would lose sleep trying to gameplan for him. You can just see that by watching him. He would put up nice stats, but he's more of a Chauncey Billups/Chris Bosh type of player.

[K...]

:lol what exactly is the argument of Manu over Dirk?

More complete player? Who gives a fuck, Rasheed Wallace was a more "complete" player than Shaq. Shaq was slow and all he could do was baby hook and dunk. I mean, why not take Rasheed over him? He could shoot the three, more mobile, and had more moves in teh post!!

Are we talking the fact that he never got a shot to lead a team? You could use that argument for literally any non-franchise player in the NBA. But anybody who's not a brainlet knows that there's nothing special Ginobili brings to the table where a team would lose sleep trying to gameplan for him. You can just see that by watching him. He would put up nice stats, but he's more of a Chauncey Billups/Chris Bosh type of player.

the fuck?

[Neo.]

Only spurfans, argiefans, and blatant Dirk haters even remotely consider Manu/Dirk to even be a conversation worth having.

Manu was great and vastly underrated/underappreciated. But Dirk was transcendent and legendary. Not much comparison between the two, regardless of the situation.

[daslicer]

Only spurfans, argiefans, and blatant Dirk haters even remotely consider Manu/Dirk to even be a conversation worth having.

Manu was great and vastly underrated/underappreciated. But Dirk was transcendent and legendary. Not much comparison between the two, regardless of the situation.

I would say only Manutards, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.

[ElNono]

Never had an issue with Dirk... classy guy all around

[Fat Brandon Bass]

I would say only Manutards, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.

He probably would have averaged around 20 ppg for a few years at his peak, but the difference between him and superstars like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, etc is that you can't just stick your best defender one-on-one on those guys and forget about it. You have to send double teams or come up with a scheme or else they'll consistently dominate. Manu isn't that kind of transcendental player. If he was the go-to player, you could just put Tony Allen on him and forget about it

IMO, I actually think Tony Parker would've been a better franchise player at his prime than Manu

[ambchang]

No comparison between manu and dirk. It’s just crazy anybody would even compare the two. It’s like comparing kobe to duncan. One a great complimentary piece and the other a centrepoint of a championship team.

That said if prime manu played today he’d be an mvp candidate.

Prime dirk would be goat.

[FkLA]

I would say only Manutards, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.

And Manu could've arguably had 6 or 7 instead of 4. So what's your point there? Your take about 2003 is retarded. They were well on their way to going down 3-1 before Dirk went down. If anything the whole nothing to lose mentality after Dirk's injury and emergence of NVE allowed them to get back in the series.

[Kim Jong-il]

Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to circumstances. Both were special.
“Circumstances” :lol Manu chose to be in those circumstances. He could have left San Antonio and been the alpha on his own team. He chose not to. That’s on him. He decided to dominate on Easy Mode his whole career instead of switching over to Hard. He can’t ever be compared to Dirk because of that.

[FkLA]

Manu Ginobili won a gold medal with teammates that made Jason Terry look like MJ. Prime Manu always had the ball in his hands at the end of games, in the highest of stakes, for a team that was a legit championship contender for the better part of an entire decade. Was he as unstoppable of a scorer or isolation player as Dirk? Of course not. But if you don't think he was special in his own right just because he had Timmy you are a retard. There's not many players, if any, that ran the pick and roll as masterfully as the great Emmanuel David Ginobili.

[Kim Jong-il]

Using gold medals as an argument here :lmao in that case Kobe > Duncan obviously. His years with Shaq were just “circumstances”. Also, being on Team USA and only winning bronze :lmao

[FkLA]

What did Dirk ever lead Deutschland to?

[daslicer]

And Manu could've arguably had 6 or 7 instead of 4. So what's your point there? Your take about 2003 is retarded. They were well on their way to going down 3-1 before Dirk went down. If anything the whole nothing to lose mentality after Dirk's injury and emergence of NVE allowed them to get back in the series.

I don't see how my '03 take is retarded. Obviously you emotionally reacted without thinking this through. First off the Spurs were not on their way to going up 3-1 before Dirk went down. They were on their way to going up 2-1. Dirk got hurt in game 3 of the series and didn't play afterwards. Spurs were the favorites to win that series and I believe they would have likely won had Dirk played but I can't say with 100 percent they would. Anything could happened in game 4 with a healthy Dirk. They could have easily tied the series 2-2. Anytime a teams best player gets hurt it's a huge break for the opposition. Just look at the current Warriors run .

[Kim Jong-il]

What did Dirk ever lead Deutschland to?
:lmao comparing German teams to those loaded Argentina squads. Just getting one of those shitty Germany teams into the Olympics is a massive accomplishment.

[daslicer]

Manu Ginobili won a gold medal with teammates that made Jason Terry look like MJ. Prime Manu always had the ball in his hands at the end of games, in the highest of stakes, for a team that was a legit championship contender for the better part of an entire decade. Was he as unstoppable of a scorer or isolation player as Dirk? Of course not. But if you don't think he was special in his own right just because he had Timmy you are a retard. There's not many players, if any, that ran the pick and roll as masterfully as the great Emmanuel David Ginobili.

Manu was a talented player but to say he was better than a guy who was a perennial top MVP candidate throughout the '00s is pretty asinine. You are letting your hate cloud your judgement.

[Kim Jong-il]

Tranny Porn Lover getting shit on by his fellow Spurs fans :lmao

[FkLA]

I don't see how my '03 take is retarded. Obviously you emotionally reacted without thinking this through. First off the Spurs were not on their way to going up 3-1 before Dirk went down. They were on their way to going up 2-1. Dirk got hurt in game 3 of the series and didn't play afterwards. Spurs were the favorites to win that series and I believe they would have likely won had Dirk played but I can't say with 100 percent they would. Anything could happened in game 4 with a healthy Dirk. They could have easily tied the series 2-2. Anytime a teams best player gets hurt it's a huge break for the opposition. Just look at the current Warriors run .

Spurs would've won regardless. To say he could've had another ring if he didn't get injured, to try to add to his legacy is weak. He might not have any of LeBron James didn't literally crawl into the fetal position during the Finals in 2012.


Manu was a talented player but to say he was better than a guy who was a perennial top MVP candidate throughout the '00s is pretty asinine. You are letting your hate cloud your judgement.

I don't hate Dirk. I just rate Manu appropriately. All his advanced stats suggest he was much more than just a talented sixth man. He was an elite player, his raw stats just weren't there due to circumstances.

[Kim Jong-il]

“circumstances”

Again, those were circumstances that MANU CHOSE TO LIMIT HIMSELF WITH. THAT’S HIS FAULT. If he enjoyed his role with the Spurs and didn’t want to change, that’s fine. Commendable even. But it still means that he lowered his own ceiling and legacy. He did it to himself. And obviously Manu doesn’t care about his own “very great, but not as great as Dirk” legacy nearly as much as you do :lol

[Kim Jong-il]

Horry > Jordan. Raw stats aren’t there due to “circumstances” tbh :lmao

[FkLA]

:lmao comparing German teams to those loaded Argentina squads. Just getting one of those shitty Germany teams into the Olympics is a massive accomplishment.

Loaded to the point that winning a gold medal was conceivable? Nah, Manu's greatness made that happen. The French, Spanish, and Serbian have had more stacked teams (for non-USA NT standards) and they didn't do what Manu did.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

:lmao I can't believe FkLA is seriously using the gold medal as a legitimate case of Manu>Dirk. You act like Argentina was some crazy underdog that went through a gauntlet to get the gold. They pretty much just had to beat the US in one game in their worst year ever. Wow! They were able to upset a slightly favored team in one game! What an accomplishment! This same US team got dicked down by Carlos Arroyo and Puerto Rico. Arroyo > Dirk tbh

[daslicer]

Spurs would've won regardless. To say he could've had another ring if he didn't get injured, to try to add to his legacy is weak. He might not have any of LeBron James didn't literally crawl into the fetal position during the Finals in 2012.



I don't hate Dirk. I just rate Manu appropriately. All his advanced stats suggest he was much more than just a talented sixth man. He was an elite player, his raw stats just weren't there due to circumstances.

1. When I say Dirk could have had another ring I'm referring to '06 and '07 and not '03. He choked big time in '06 and '07 against Haslem and a year later Stephen Jackson.
2. No one is saying Manu was not an elite level player at one point of time in his career but like I said it's asinine to say he was better than a perennial MVP level player in Dirk. It reminds me of how bull fans used to say during the '90's Scottie Pippen was better than David Robinson,Olaujuwon, K.Malone etc. Sure Scottie was great but not on those guys level.

[FkLA]

:lmao I can't believe people are using 2012 for why Dirk > Manu. LeBron literally choked. Dirk shot 40% that series and beat a LeGOATless Heat team. Big deal!

[Kim Jong-il]

Imagine “circumstances” being your only argument :lmao

[daslicer]

:lmao I can't believe people are using 2012 for why Dirk > Manu. LeBron literally choked. Dirk shot 40% that series and beat a LeGOATless Heat team. Big deal!

No one is just using 2012 for why Dirk is better than Manu. Again you are emotionally overreacting since you can't even get the dates right in when Dirk won. Anyways Dirk was amazing during that playoffs. He scorched the Lakers and Thunder during the '11 run.

[FkLA]

No one is just using 2012 for why Dirk is better than Manu. Again you are emotionally overreacting since you can't even get the dates right in when Dirk won. Anyways Dirk was amazing during that playoffs. He scorched the Lakers and Thunder during the '11 run.

It was just a sarcastic response to the disparaging post about Manu's gold medal run. Try to keep up.

If LeBron doesn't outchoke him in 2011, Dirk retires with the same soft, choker label he had for the large majority of his career.

[FkLA]

Imagine “circumstances” being your only argument :lmao

Yeah, being the guy that is trusted with having the ball down the stretch for four title teams and a bunch of other elite, non-title teams is no biggie. Just like the gold medal.

[daslicer]

It was just a sarcastic response to the disparaging post about Manu's gold medal run. Try to keep up.

If LeBron doesn't outchoke him in 2011, Dirk retires with the same soft, choker label he had for the large majority of his career.

Can't discredit Dirk for 2011 because Lebron choked. Dirk had a great run he overcame the soft label before that 2011 Finals. He ended the Kobe-Gasol Lakers and took out the Durant-Westbrook-Harden Thunder team. Two teams the Spurs greatly struggled with from '08-'13.

[FkLA]

1. When I say Dirk could have had another ring I'm referring to '06 and '07 and not '03. He choked big time in '06 and '07 against Haslem and a year later Stephen Jackson.

Ok, but how is this in any way a positive thing for his legacy? Not to mention the fact that if Manu just controlled his primal instincts in '06 Dirk wouldn't have even had a chance to choke.


2. No one is saying Manu was not an elite level player at one point of time in his career but like I said it's asinine to say he was better than a perennial MVP level player in Dirk. It reminds me of how bull fans used to say during the '90's Scottie Pippen was better than David Robinson,Olaujuwon, K.Malone etc. Sure Scottie was great but not on those guys level.

IDK I don't really think Scottie was clearly inferior to those other guys. He was an MVP level player while MJ was failing at baseball. Just like Manu was when circumstances dictated it. I mean, I guess prime Olajuwon was better. Probably prime Dave too but those two guys were also complete, elite two way players (Dirk wasn't).

[FkLA]

Can't discredit Dirk for 2011 because Lebron choked. Dirk had a great run he overcame the soft label before that 2011 Finals. He ended the Kobe-Gasol Lakers and took out the Durant-Westbrook-Harden Thunder team. Two teams the Spurs greatly struggled with from '08-'13.

You mean the Lakers team at the end of their run? Or the OKC team just starting theirs? Sounds like a really cute story to frame it how you did, but in reality neither of those two teams were at the same level the teams the Spurs ended up struggling with.

[Jodelo]

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[Kim Jong-il]

Yeah, being the guy that is trusted with having the ball down the stretch for four title teams and a bunch of other elite, non-title teams is no biggie. Just like the gold medal.
well that explains all his Finals MVP’s. Surely if Parker & Kawhi got that award, Manu must have gotten one as well :lmao

[daslicer]

Ok, but how is this in any way a positive thing for his legacy? Not to mention the fact that if Manu just controlled his primal instincts in '06 Dirk wouldn't have even had a chance to choke.



IDK I don't really think Scottie was clearly inferior to those other guys. He was an MVP level player while MJ was failing at baseball. Just like Manu was when circumstances dictated it. I mean, I guess prime Olajuwon was better. Probably prime Dave too but those two guys were also complete, elite two way players (Dirk wasn't).

1. Historically a lot of playoff series are won on costly mistakes like Manu did in '06. A year earlier Rasheed Wallace made a dumb mistake of double teaming Manu and leaving Horry open for the game winner. Going by your logic the Spurs don't deserve credit for that '05 title since they benefited from Rasheed's costly mistake. Bottom line you just don't want to give credit. You come across as bitter as Laker fans did when the Spurs beat them in '99 and '03. Not a good look.

2. Scottie definitely was not an MVP level player in '94-'95 season. During that year he put up great numbers but could not lead the bulls to playing above .500 basketball. Things were so bad that the bulls were below .500 when MJ came back with about 20 some games left. But then again that's probably type of record Manu would lead his team to if he didn't have the luxury of playing with Duncan.

3. :lol at the 2 way player bs argument. Jimmy Butler is a much better 2 way player than Durant but nobody would be stupid to say he's better than Durant. Going by your logic Butler is better than both Curry and Durant.

[Will Hunting]

Imagine “circumstances” being your only argument :lmao
Manufan have always used the inherently flawed premise that all of his advanced stats/efficiency would have stayed the same if hed been the #1 option on another team and his usage was way up, if he ever had to carry the load Dirk carried for over a decade his brittle bones would have shattered :lol

[daslicer]

You mean the Lakers team at the end of their run? Or the OKC team just starting theirs? Sounds like a really cute story to frame it how you did, but in reality neither of those two teams were at the same level the teams the Spurs ended up struggling with.

1. Dirk ended the Lakers run much like Duncan did in '03. He slammed the door shut on them. Lakers were the favorites to win that series and had HCA. Dirk was huge game 1 of the series. He was super clutch in the 4th quarter of game 1. In the final minute of the game he scored 4 points to put the Mavs ahead 96-94 over the Lakers in a nail biter. In game 2 of that series he came up huge from start to finish and lead the Mavs to a double digit win over the Lakers. If you don't remember the Lakers were heavy favorites to 3 peat. The only team people felt could beat them back then was the newly form Heatles.

2. Again you sound as pathetic as Laker fans when they make excuses for losing to the Spurs in '03. They say stuff you say "Spurs only won because we were at the end of run and our guys were tired. We didn't have Rick Fox. Blah Blah."

3. OKC in '11 was as good as they were in '12. The only difference was Dirk straight up annihilated them by averaging 32.2 points on 55 percent shooting. The Spurs incarnation from '11-'14 didn't have anybody that could straight up put up the numbers Dirk did against them. It took a team effort to beat them in '14 lead by Duncan-Manu-#2. But none of those 3 guys were as dominant as Dirk was against them in '11.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao I can't believe FkLA is seriously using the gold medal as a legitimate case of Manu>Dirk. You act like Argentina was some crazy underdog that went through a gauntlet to get the gold. They pretty much just had to beat the US in one game in their worst year ever. Wow! They were able to upset a slightly favored team in one game! What an accomplishment! This same US team got dicked down by Carlos Arroyo and Puerto Rico. Arroyo > Dirk tbh
:lol that user name/avatar

[ElNono]

I don't know why some posters erroneously keep insisting with Manu > Dirk...

It's Manu >>>>>>>> Dirk...

[daslicer]

Manufan have always used the inherently flawed premise that all of his advanced stats/efficiency would have stayed the same if hed been the #1 option on another team and his usage was way up, if he ever had to carry the load Dirk carried for over a decade his brittle bones would have shattered :lol

That's one of the main things I could not stand about Manu was his body was made out of glass. Almost every year after '07 he was dealing with some major injury. '08 he played with a broken ankle in the playoffs. '09 missed playoffs due to broken ankle. '10 played with a broken nose. '11 got his arm broken in the final regular season game. '12 missed a few weeks due to breaking his hand randomly which lead to Danny Green become the starting SG. By '12 I had gotten discouraged and realized Manu could not be trusted to be fully relied on due to being too damn brittle.

Manu would have had a much shorter career if he was number 1 guy due to playing more minutes and his reckless style of basketball. He benefited more than anything by playing with the Spurs. Very few coaches outside of Pop would have been smart enough to manage his minutes.

[Chris]

Manu has more hardware. Not even a debate :lol

[Will Hunting]

That's one of the main things I could not stand about Manu was his body was made out of glass. Almost every year after '07 he was dealing with some major injury. '08 he played with a broken ankle in the playoffs. '09 missed playoffs due to broken ankle. '10 played with a broken nose. '11 got his arm broken in the final regular season game. '12 missed a few weeks due to breaking his hand randomly which lead to Danny Green become the starting SG. By '12 I had gotten discouraged and realized Manu could not be trusted to be fully relied on due to being too damn brittle.

Manu would have had a much shorter career if he was number 1 guy due to playing more minutes and his reckless style of basketball. He benefited more than anything by playing with the Spurs. Very few coaches outside of Pop would have been smart enough to manage his minutes.
Agreed. Nothing he could do about his body being made out of glass, but it’s certainly relevant to this discussion since it would have played a role in how he did as a #1 option.

[Kim Jong-il]

Manu has more hardware. Not even a debate :lol
Kobe more hardware than Duncan :tu

[ElNono]

Agreed. Nothing he could do about his body being made out of glass, but it’s certainly relevant to this discussion since it would have played a role in how he did as a #1 option.

I don't think pointing that out is unfair, tbh, but I also think he would've had much more glow to his career also (besides probably being a shorter career). Frankly, I don't even think Manu cares about that chatter.

[Chris]

Kobe more hardware than Duncan :tu

Negative.


https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/570e6c56910584155c8bc3c3-750-563.png

[Chris]

Manu came off the bench a large portion of his career and still torches Dirk. Put Manu on a different team as "the guy" with minutes, and we aren't even entertaining this conversation.

[Kim Jong-il]

Negative.


https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/570e6c56910584155c8bc3c3-750-563.png
Kobe 2 gold medals
Duncan bronze :lmao

[Kim Jong-il]

Manu came off the bench a large portion of his career and still torches Dirk. Put Manu on a different team as "the guy" with minutes, and we aren't even entertaining this conversation.
He had plenty of chances to do that and was too big a pussy to try :lmao

[DAF86]

People talking about the suppossed glass body of a man that played professional basketball from age 18 to 40. :lol

[FkLA]

1. Historically a lot of playoff series are won on costly mistakes like Manu did in '06. A year earlier Rasheed Wallace made a dumb mistake of double teaming Manu and leaving Horry open for the game winner. Going by your logic the Spurs don't deserve credit for that '05 title since they benefited from Rasheed's costly mistake. Bottom line you just don't want to give credit. You come across as bitter as Laker fans did when the Spurs beat them in '99 and '03. Not a good look.

Oh ok, so you can say "he could've had 3 rings if he just didn't choke in 06 and 07" as if those chokes don't actually detract from his legacy not add to it but I can't bring up Manu's foul or else it's hate? :lol


2. Scottie definitely was not an MVP level player in '94-'95 season. During that year he put up great numbers but could not lead the bulls to playing above .500 basketball. Things were so bad that the bulls were below .500 when MJ came back with about 20 some games left. But then again that's probably type of record Manu would lead his team to if he didn't have the luxury of playing with Duncan.

Uh, let's see Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting in 93-94. Led the Bulls to the 3rd seed. But yeah, let's just ignore that. Real objective.

Yeah, Manu would have led a sub .500 team without prime Duncan. Just like he did in the Olympics? Or when TD first started his decline, before he lost all the weight and transformed himself into a great role player? Right?


3. :lol at the 2 way player bs argument. Jimmy Butler is a much better 2 way player than Durant but nobody would be stupid to say he's better than Durant. Going by your logic Butler is better than both Curry and Durant.

Who told you Jimmy Butler is a better two way player than Durbeta? Butler isn't even a tier one guy. He's like a third tier star. Stop with the dumb comparisons.


1. Dirk ended the Lakers run much like Duncan did in '03. He slammed the door shut on them. Lakers were the favorites to win that series and had HCA. Dirk was huge game 1 of the series. He was super clutch in the 4th quarter of game 1. In the final minute of the game he scored 4 points to put the Mavs ahead 96-94 over the Lakers in a nail biter. In game 2 of that series he came up huge from start to finish and lead the Mavs to a double digit win over the Lakers. If you don't remember the Lakers were heavy favorites to 3 peat. The only team people felt could beat them back then was the newly form Heatles.

2. Again you sound as pathetic as Laker fans when they make excuses for losing to the Spurs in '03. They say stuff you say "Spurs only won because we were at the end of run and our guys were tired. We didn't have Rick Fox. Blah Blah."

Sure, it was a nice accomplishment but don't be dramatic about it. As a Spurs fan, I'm not going to stand here and act like the Lakers team that the Spurs beat in '03 didn't fall off some from the dominant ass '01 team. Why are you trying so hard to prop up Dirk?


3. OKC in '11 was as good as they were in '12. The only difference was Dirk straight up annihilated them by averaging 32.2 points on 55 percent shooting. The Spurs incarnation from '11-'14 didn't have anybody that could straight up put up the numbers Dirk did against them. It took a team effort to beat them in '14 lead by Duncan-Manu-#2. But none of those 3 guys were as dominant as Dirk was against them in '11.

Dude, they were an 8th seed in 2010. 4th seed in 2011. 2nd seed and eventual Western Conference champs in 2012. Their big three+Abaka were still young. It's common sense that they were still developing. Were the Warriors we beat in 2013 the same monsters they ended up becoming in 2015? Of course not. Don't be dumb.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Who told you Jimmy Butler is a better two way player than Durbeta? Butler isn't even a tier one guy. He's like a third tier star. Stop with the dumb comparisons.



:lol Oh man, the irony

[Bynumite]

Imagine comparing roleplayers coming off the bench to franchise players :lol

Lou Williams v Manu should be the topic of this thread tbh.

[FkLA]

Manufan have always used the inherently flawed premise that all of his advanced stats/efficiency would have stayed the same if hed been the #1 option on another team and his usage was way up, if he ever had to carry the load Dirk carried for over a decade his brittle bones would have shattered :lol

This notion that Manu was some Anthony Davis-esque china doll is false. The dude played year around for like 15 years and ended up playing+being a net positive player past 40. You don't do that by being a fragile china doll. Yeah, he doesn't make it past 40 if he carries the load of a #1 for all those years (or if he does he looks just as done as Dirk did the past few years)...but he has a dominant 8-10 year run with plenty of individual accolades during his prime.

[Will Hunting]

Manu came off the bench a large portion of his career and still torches Dirk. Put Manu on a different team as "the guy" with minutes, and we aren't even entertaining this conversation.
Agreed, he’s have broken his foot 10 games in :lol

[FkLA]

:lol Oh man, the irony

Get back to me when Butler closes for 4 title teams and countless other elite, non-title teams. Or when he leads a bunch of Prigionis to gold.

[FkLA]

The thing is if I say "well Manu has 4 rings, Dirk only has 1" the first thing someone will bring up is circumstances. Manu had Duncan, etc. Which is fair but if you say "Dirk's individual accolades trump Manu's" why can't I point to circumstances as well? Team success wise having Duncan helped Manu but individually it hurt him. That's just logical.

[Kim Jong-il]

:lol Oh man, the irony
:lmao

[DAF86]

It really is baffling that folks are so obtuse that can't see Manu had all the tools to be a number one guy on the NBA. Fuck, he was Indeed the number one option for the Spurs in multiple seasons, folks just want to ignore that fact for some reason. :lol

If Harden wasn't traded, he would still be averaging 16 ppg and people would think Westbrook is on a superior tier than him. :lol

[Kim Jong-il]

It really is baffling that folks are so obtuse that can't see Manu had all the tools to be a number one guy on the NBA. Fuck, he was Indeed the number one option for the Spurs un multiple seasons, folks just want to ignore that fact for some reason. :lol

If Harden wasn't traded, he would still be averaging 16 ppg and people would think Westbrook is on a superior tier than him. :lol
:lmao ifs and buts

[Kim Jong-il]

Amazing that Spurs fans will shit on Duncan’s legacy just to win a retarded Manu argument.

[Will Hunting]

This notion that Manu was some Anthony Davis-esque china doll is false. The dude played year around for like 15 years and ended up playing+being a net positive player past 40. You don't do that by being a fragile china doll. Yeah, he doesn't make it past 40 if he carries the load of a #1 for all those years (or if he does he looks just as done as Dirk did the past few years)...but he has a dominant 8-10 year run with plenty of individual accolades during his prime.
He averaged 25 minutes a game :lmao (mostly agains the other teams 2nd unit), of course he played into his 40s.

[FkLA]

Amazing that Spurs fans will shit on Duncan’s legacy just to win a retarded Manu argument.

Duncan is the GOAT PF, player of his generation, and Top 5 player ever. Try again bruh.

[FkLA]

He averaged 25 minutes a game :lmao (mostly agains the other teams 2nd unit), of course he played into his 40s.

And played international ball during the Summers for how many years? Add those minutes+all those playoff minutes courtesy of all the deep playoff runs and his minutes per year were probably more than Dirk. :lol

[DAF86]

Manu in his prime on today's NBA would be a top 5 player in the league, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

And played international ball during the Summers for how many years? Add those minutes+all those playoff minutes courtesy of all the deep playoff runs and his minutes per year were probably more than Dirk. :lol
Probably or were? Cmon Juan, provide some actual numbers to back up that claim.

[Will Hunting]

Manu in his prime on today's NBA would be a top 5 player in the league, tbh.
More what ifs and hypotheticals.

[DAF86]

More what ifs and hypotheticals.

Manu is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. No ifs or hypotheticals.

[Will Hunting]

Manu is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. No ifs or hypotheticals.
Sure no ifs or hypotheticals, just opinions involving vague and non-descript adjectives.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

It really is baffling that folks are so obtuse that can't see Manu had all the tools to be a number one guy on the NBA. Fuck, he was Indeed the number one option for the Spurs in multiple seasons, folks just want to ignore that fact for some reason. :lol

If Harden wasn't traded, he would still be averaging 16 ppg and people would think Westbrook is on a superior tier than him. :lol

:lmao

Please define what that means and provide facts that shows when was the "number one option" for the Spurs. I see that Manu never led the team in scoring in any of his seasons. First, you had Duncan as the obvious alpha for so long, then Parker bridges the gap and is the leading scorer until Kawhi comes along and fills the alpha role.

shit, out of all four of those guys all of them but Manu got to be the lead dog for atleast a season. Manu was literally a Robin his whole career :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

Sure no ifs or hypotheticals, just opinions involving vague and non-descript adjectives.

4 NBA championships and 1 Olympic gold as a top player of his teams. There really aren't much clearer non vague criterias than that, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

4 NBA championships and 1 Olympic gold as a top player of his teams. There really aren't much clearer non vague criterias than that, tbh.
Wasn’t the top player on any of the 4 NBA championships. Fake news, tbh.

[DAF86]

:lmao

Please define what that means and provide facts that shows when was the "number one option" for the Spurs. I see that Manu never led the team in scoring in any of his seasons. First, you had Duncan as the obvious alpha for so long, then Parker bridges the gap and is the leading scorer until Kawhi comes along and fills the alpha role.

shit, out of all four of those guys all of them but Manu got to be the lead dog for atleast a season. Manu was literally a Robin his whole career :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2008.html

Well, that was easy.

[DAF86]

Wasn’t the top player on any of the 4 NBA championships. Fake news, tbh.

So Pippen isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time?

[Fat Brandon Bass]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2008.html

Well, that was easy.

:lol one season, you said multiple. How did the team do that year? Just asking for a friend tbh

[Will Hunting]

So Pippen isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time?
I’d put Dirk ahead of no tippin Pippen.

[Will Hunting]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2008.html

Well, that was easy.
Duncan led that team in total points. Manu led in PPG but naturally played less games because of injuries from having to play more than his casual 25 MPG :lol

[FkLA]

Probably or were? Cmon Juan, provide some actual numbers to back up that claim.

Hard to do that. His actual yearly load when you include his regular season+playoff+international minutes was much higher than the picture you are trying to paint though. That's something you can't dispute.

[DAF86]

:lol one season, you said multiple. How did the team do that year? Just asking for a friend tbh

They made the Western Conference Finals.

[DAF86]

I’d put Dirk ahead of no tippin Pippen.

That wasn't the question though.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Hard to do that. His actual yearly load when you include his regular season+playoff+international minutes was much higher than the picture you are trying to paint though. That's something you can't dispute.

:lol more "what-if's"

[Will Hunting]

Hard to do that. His actual yearly load when you include his regular season+playoff+international minutes was much higher than the picture you are trying to paint though. That's something you can't dispute.
Sure it is, especially when you can’t even give me actual numbers to back up your claim.

We’re in agreement though that backing up your hypothetical Manu arguments is something that’s hard to do.

[FkLA]

:lol more "what-if's"

lol no those are facts son

[Will Hunting]

That wasn't the question though.
Specify what “one of the greatest basketball players of all time” means and I’ll answer it.

[DAF86]

:lol one season, you said multiple. How did the team do that year? Just asking for a friend tbh

Also, number one option =/= most points. Nash was the number one option of the mid '00s Suns, but Amare would average more points.

[Will Hunting]

lol no those are facts son
If they’re facts you’d have actual numbers to back them up.

[FkLA]

Sure it is, especially when you can’t even give me actual numbers to back up your claim.

We’re in agreement though that backing up your hypothetical Manu arguments is something that’s hard to do.

You: lol all he played was 25 MPG of course he played past 40
Me: what about all his international minutes and additional minutes from all those deep playoff runs?
You: well he you don't have actual numbers so I can still say lol he only played 25 MPG

Great argument :tu

[Will Hunting]

Also, number one option =/= most points. Nash was the number one option of the mid '00s Suns, but Amare would average more points.
So what year was Manu the #1 option for the Spurs? Be specific.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Also, number one option =/= most points. Nash was the number one option of the mid '00s Suns, but Amare would average more points.

rofl Manu was not some high volume assist guy that the offense flowed through like Nash was, you're just talking out of your ass. Where are you even going with this one?

[Will Hunting]

You: lol all he played was 25 MPG of course he played past 40
Me: what about all his international minutes and additional minutes from all those deep playoff runs?
You: well he you don't have actual numbers so I can still say lol he only played 25 MPG

Great argument :tu
Sounds about right. You keep saying “all those international minutes” yet can’t give me any specifics behind the actual quantity of international minutes :lol

[Will Hunting]

rofl Manu was not some high volume assist guy
:cry but in a world where up is down and on a night when the moon shines on a coyotes’ asshole, he could have been!!! :cry

[DAF86]

So what year was Manu the #1 option for the Spurs? Be specific.

2008, 2010 and 2011.

[DAF86]

rofl Manu was not some high volume assist guy that the offense flowed through like Nash was, you're just talking out of your ass. Where are you even going with this one?

You are probably a Mavs fan. Do you remember the 2010 Spurs-Mavs series? Do you remember who was the number one option for the Spurs in that?

[daslicer]

Oh ok, so you can say "he could've had 3 rings if he just didn't choke in 06 and 07" as if those chokes don't actually detract from his legacy not add to it but I can't bring up Manu's foul or else it's hate? :lol



Uh, let's see Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting in 93-94. Led the Bulls to the 3rd seed. But yeah, let's just ignore that. Real objective.

Yeah, Manu would have led a sub .500 team without prime Duncan. Just like he did in the Olympics? Or when TD first started his decline, before he lost all the weight and transformed himself into a great role player? Right?



Who told you Jimmy Butler is a better two way player than Durbeta? Butler isn't even a tier one guy. He's like a third tier star. Stop with the dumb comparisons.



Sure, it was a nice accomplishment but don't be dramatic about it. As a Spurs fan, I'm not going to stand here and act like the Lakers team that the Spurs beat in '03 didn't fall off some from the dominant ass '01 team. Why are you trying so hard to prop up Dirk?



Dude, they were an 8th seed in 2010. 4th seed in 2011. 2nd seed and eventual Western Conference champs in 2012. Their big three+Abaka were still young. It's common sense that they were still developing. Were the Warriors we beat in 2013 the same monsters they ended up becoming in 2015? Of course not. Don't be dumb.


1. The olympics is a shit accomplishment. Evident by Laker fans using it to prop up Kobe over Duncan. It's one game win all tournament just like the NCAA tournament which allows upsets to happen. I don't respect that format and never will.

2. Duncan even when he declined was still an all-star player. Let's be real here he wasn't a role player like you are making him out to be. During the second worst season of his career which was '10-'11 season he was an all-star. Even if that argument was true Manu got to play with prime Tony from '08-'13 who was a top 5 PG around that time. He had plenty of help so I can't say he ever lead a team filled with only role players.

3. Bulls in '93-'94 had Horance Grant who was an all-star player that year along with BJ Armstrong who was another all-star. They added Kukoc who was a great sixth man. Their center Cartwright was a great defensive player who was the equivalent of what Bogut used to be for the Warriors. They also added Longley. Pippen had a lot of help that year. Bulls lost Grant,Cartwright to FA in the summer of '94 and it resulted in Pippen putting up empty stats and leading the bulls to a sub .500 record in the '94-'95 season until Jordan came back late in the year to rescue them. You wouldn't know all this since you were in diapers back then.

3. If Butler is a tier 3 star than Manu is to since Butler's career statistics are higher than Manu's. You originally said Manu was better than Dirk because he was elite at both ends while Dirk wasn't. I said according to your logic than Butler has to be better than Durant since he's elite at both ends while Durant is only elite at the offensive end. You said it was a dumb comparison which proves my point that your logic is flawed.

4. I'm not trying to prop Dirk just I don't believe in being a myopic fan like you are. I despised the hell out of Dirk in '06 and '09. I couldn't stand his flopping and whining but at the same time I can't acknowledge that Manu is better than him. Manu never had a playoff run that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff run or a playoff series that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff series. Feel free to post a playoff series or playoff run Manu had that was better than Dirk. :lol It's ironic you are a Bernie Sander supporter who clings to emotions but despises facts. You sound a lot like a Trumper.

5. Comparing the 2013 Warriors to the 2011 Thunder is a terrible comparison. Durant in 2011 made all-nba first team while Westbrook was on all-nba second team. By 2011 they were both already superstars. Curry and Klay were good in '13 but they didn't make any All-NBA teams and were not all-stars.

[Will Hunting]

2008, 2010 and 2011.
I think 2008 is debatable but I’ll conceed 2010 and 2011 and either way, none of those teams made it past the WCF.

Im in agreement that Manu is as good as the Paul Pierce/Ray Allen type wing scorer who could be the #1 option on a team capable of winning 55+ games and winning a playoff series or two.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

You are probably a Mavs fan. Do you remember the 2010 Spurs-Mavs series? Do you remember who was the number one option for the Spurs in that?

How are you defining the number one option?

[DAF86]

How are you defining the number one option?

As the guy that had the most offensive responsabilities on the entire team. The guy that had the most possessions going through his hands. The guy the other team most had to account for in terms of defensive scheming. You know, the usual stuff.

[Will Hunting]

As the guy that had the most offensive responsabilities on the entire team. The guy that had the most possessions going through his hands. The guy the other team most had to account for in terms of defensive scheming. You know, the usual stuff.
In 2008 Duncan was still the guy teams always had to worry more about accounting for but Manu always drew more attention than Parker did imo.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

As the guy that had the most offensive responsabilities on the entire team. The guy that had the most possessions going through his hands. The guy the other team most had to account for in terms of defensive scheming. You know, the usual stuff.

I'd disagree with the bolded, but even still they got swept in the second round that year. I'm still not sure how you take that and spin it into the fact that he was somehow better than Dirk when Dirk actually led a team to a title

[daslicer]

You are probably a Mavs fan. Do you remember the 2010 Spurs-Mavs series? Do you remember who was the number one option for the Spurs in that?

:lol number 1 option by .8 points in that series. Manu averaged 19 while Duncan averaged 18.2. Manu got the 19 on a Westbrook FG percentage of 41 percent and 3 point FG of 32 percent. Amazing what you can do when you have Duncan cleaning up your garbage.

[FkLA]

Sounds about right. You keep saying “all those international minutes” yet can’t give me any specifics behind the actual quantity of international minutes :lol

Yeah, so let's just assume he played 0 international minutes because I don't know where to find them.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, so let's just assume he played 0 international minutes because I don't know where to find them.
:lmao if you don’t know where to find them then how have you determined they were so significant?

[Kim Jong-il]

Duncan is the GOAT PF, player of his generation, and Top 5 player ever. Try again bruh.
And second banana to Manu fucking Ginobili, apparently :lmao

[DAF86]

I'd disagree with the bolded, but even still they got swept in the second round that year. I'm still not sure how you take that and spin it into the fact that he was somehow better than Dirk when Dirk actually led a team to a title

I'm not here arguing Manu > Dirk, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

I'm not here arguing Manu > Dirk, tbh.
Then what are you arguing? I don’t think anyone is saying Manu is a scrub.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

:lol

So Duncan > Dirk, Manu > Dirk, and hence Parker > Dirk since Parker/Ginobili is pretty much a toss-up....How the fuck did Dirk manage to upset three superstars in their prime in 06?

That must have been some serious planet alignment tbh imo

[Will Hunting]

:lol

So Duncan > Dirk, Manu > Dirk, and hence Parker > Dirk since Parker/Ginobili is pretty much a toss-up....How the fuck did Dirk manage to upset three superstars in their prime in 06?

That must have been some serious planet alignment tbh imo
It was the greatness of Devin GOAT Harris and Desagana Diop, tbh.

[DAF86]

Then what are you arguing? I don’t think anyone is saying Manu is a scrub.

I'm arguing the fact that Manu could have been a relatively succesful franchise player if he had the chance. Point that many here seem to argue.

[Will Hunting]

I'm arguing the fact that Manu could have been a relatively succesful franchise player if he had the chance. Point that many here seem to argue.
Define “relatively successful”, not trying to be argumentative but not sure if I agree with that or not.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

It was the greatness of Devin GOAT Harris and Desagana Diop, tbh.

:lol

we're probably not too far off from FkLA using what-ifs and lecturing us on how Josh Howard/Jason Terry were really the team leaders that season

[DAF86]

Define “relatively successful”, not trying to be argumentative but not sure if I agree with that or not.

What you said about the Paul Pierce/Ray Allen type player. Although, in today's NBA he might be even more than that. I mean, if Harden is a perennial MVP candidate.

[Will Hunting]

What you said about the Paul Pierce/Ray Allen type player. Although, in today's NBA he might be even more than that. I mean, if Harden is a perennial MVP candidate.
Yeah I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that prime Manu could have done what early 2000s Paul Pierce did.

Regarding Harden, it’s just Dantoni stat padding. Really stupid that the award voters haven’t wised up to stat inflating gimmicks yet imo.

[FkLA]

1. The olympics is a shit accomplishment. Evident by Laker fans using it to prop up Kobe over Duncan. It's one game win all tournament just like the NCAA tournament which allows upsets to happen. I don't respect that format and never will.

Yeah, so easy to get upsets that since the creation of the original dream team Manu is the only non-American guy to lead his country to gold. :lol


2. Duncan even when he declined was still an all-star player. Let's be real here he wasn't a role player like you are making him out to be. During the second worst season of his career which was '10-'11 season he was an all-star. Even if that argument was true Manu got to play with prime Tony from '08-'13 who was a top 5 PG around that time. He had plenty of help so I can't say he ever lead a team filled with only role players.

He led a team to gold with a bunch of Prigionis. You also act like Dirk had a bunch of rag tag players his whole career. There were plenty of years he played alongside all-stars when he didn't accomplish shit. The year he did ring, he had plenty of high-level role players. Kidd got a pity all-star nod sometime during his stint in Dallas too if you want to get technical.


3. Bulls in '93-'94 had Horance Grant who was an all-star player that year along with BJ Armstrong who was another all-star. They added Kukoc who was a great sixth man. Their center Cartwright was a great defensive player who was the equivalent of what Bogut used to be for the Warriors. They also added Longley. Pippen had a lot of help that year. Bulls lost Grant,Cartwright to FA in the summer of '94 and it resulted in Pippen putting up empty stats and leading the bulls to a sub .500 record in the '94-'95 season until Jordan came back late in the year to rescue them. You wouldn't know all this since you were in diapers back then.

Oh ok, so Pippen lost a lot of solid pieces and his team got worse. What a fraud! Dirk must've gone back to back after he lost Chandler.


3. If Butler is a tier 3 star than Manu is to since Butler's career statistics are higher than Manu's. You originally said Manu was better than Dirk because he was elite at both ends while Dirk wasn't. I said according to your logic than Butler has to be better than Durant since he's elite at both ends while Durant is only elite at the offensive end. You said it was a dumb comparison which proves my point that your logic is flawed.

Link to when I originally said that? Get your shit together. As far as your KD-Butler thing goes, Butler isn't even clearly a better defender than Durant. When he's engaged on that end, Durant is actually the better defender.


4. I'm not trying to prop Dirk just I don't believe in being a myopic fan like you are. I despised the hell out of Dirk in '06 and '09. I couldn't stand his flopping and whining but at the same time I can't acknowledge that Manu is better than him. Manu never had a playoff run that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff run or a playoff series that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff series. Feel free to post a playoff series or playoff run Manu had that was better than Dirk. :lol It's ironic you are a Bernie Sander supporter who clings to emotions but despises facts. You sound a lot like a Trumper.

Better how? PPG? I already acknowledged Manu wasn't the elite scorer or isolation player Dirk was. That doesn't mean his impact wasn't huge. The advanced stats don't lie.


5. Comparing the 2013 Warriors to the 2011 Thunder is a terrible comparison. Durant in 2011 made all-nba first team while Westbrook was on all-nba second team. By 2011 they were both already superstars. Curry and Klay were good in '13 but they didn't make any All-NBA teams and were not all-stars.

From 8th, to 4th, to 2nd and Western conference title. They weren't done growing.

[DAF86]

1. The olympics is a shit accomplishment. Evident by Laker fans using it to prop up Kobe over Duncan. It's one game win all tournament just like the NCAA tournament which allows upsets to happen. I don't respect that format and never will.

The other day I was watching a TV show with people arguing if that non-NBA Olympic Gold is the greatest feat in all of sports history. Just to give you an idea of how retarded your take is, son. :lol

[FkLA]

:lmao if you don’t know where to find them then how have you determined they were so significant?

Common sense?

[FkLA]

What you said about the Paul Pierce/Ray Allen type player. Although, in today's NBA he might be even more than that. I mean, if Harden is a perennial MVP candidate.

Those guys were better scorers/isolation guys but Manu on top of being capable of being a 20 PPG guy was a master of the pick and roll, and in general just a better orchestrator of an offense. Harden with less scoring and more heart+defense is definitely a better comparison, imo.

[Neo.]

Harden with less scoring and more heart+defense is definitely a better comparison, imo.

Except for the fact that you described an imaginary player.

[daslicer]

The other day I was watching a TV show with people arguing if that non-NBA Olympic Gold is the greatest feat in all of sports history. Just to give you an idea of how retarded your take is, son. :lol

:lol Must have been an Argentina show. No way in hell it could be an American TV show.

[DAF86]

:lol Must have been an Argentina show. No way in hell it could be an American TV show.

Spanish actually, but it doesn't matter. You wouldn't need a TV show to realize that the only non-NBA gold in Olympic history is quite the accomplishment, tbh. :lol

[Will Hunting]

Common sense?
That doesn’t make any sense.

[Will Hunting]

Spanish actually, but it doesn't matter. You wouldn't need a TV show to realize that the only non-NBA gold in Olympic history is quite the accomplishment, tbh. :lol
A) what do you mean by “non NBA gold”?
B) I agree that the 2004 gold was a great team accomplishment for Argentina. Right up there with keeping Joseph Mengele in hiding and sheltered from the Nuremberg Trials, tbh.

[daslicer]

Spanish actually, but it doesn't matter. You wouldn't need a TV show to realize that the only non-NBA gold in Olympic history is quite the accomplishment, tbh. :lol

:lol like I said not an american TV show. Also again it's biased since it's Spanish. We all know these clowns view Manu as an Honorary Spanish/Hispanic guy. Too bad the majority of American fans don't view it as an achievement. In the States it's viewed as a fluke. America wiped your asses when they sent their A team in '08, '12,'16.

[DAF86]

A) what do you mean by “non NBA gold”?
B) I agree that the 2004 gold was a great team accomplishment for Argentina. Right up there with keeping Joseph Mengele in hiding and sheltered from the Nuremberg Trials, tbh.

That it was the only time that the US didn't win gold when fielding NBA players.

[DAF86]

:lol like I said not an american TV show. Also again it's biased since it's Spanish. We all know these clowns view Manu as an Honorary Spanish/Hispanic guy. Too bad the majority of American fans don't view it as an achievement. In the States it's viewed as a fluke. America wiped your asses when they sent their A team in '08, '12,'16.

Did Manu fuck your wife or something? Why so much brain numbing hate son? :lol

[daslicer]

Did Manu fuck your wife or something? Why so much brain numbing hate son? :lol

:lol You are a cuck. Judging by your mindless slurping of him he probably did sleep with your wife.

[Mark Celibate]

If we're talking the era that he played in, if you give Manu a supporting cast similar to Dirk's in the Western Conference, I think he could lead a team to the playoffs as a perennial 4-8 seed type team depending on the year. Probably many first round exits, a couple of trips to the second round, and maybe one WCF if I'm being generous (the Boozer/Williams Jazz made one after all).

[Will Hunting]

That it was the only time that the US didn't win gold when fielding NBA players.
It had as much to do with luck as it did accomplishment. The US team that year imploded and fell apart for reasons unrelated to Argentina. Two years later in 2006 the US couldn’t even win the FIBA championship and lost to a bunch of goat fuckers in Greece :lol

[DAF86]

:lol You are a cuck. Judging by your mindless slurping of him he probably did sleep with your wife.

Such a dumb poster. :lol

[DAF86]

It had as much to do with luck as it did accomplishment. The US team that year imploded and fell apart for reasons unrelated to Argentina. Two years later in 2006 the US couldn’t even win the FIBA championship and lost to a bunch of goat fuckers in Greece :lol

Maybe, still one of the greatest feats of all-time though. Let's also not forget that it was Manu's Argentina that started that US team implosion handing them their first loss ever two years prior in Indianapolis.

[Mark Celibate]

Maybe, still one of the greatest feats of all-time though. Let's also not forget that it was Manu's Argentina that started that US team implosion handing them their first loss ever two years prior in Indianapolis.

that's a crazy overexaggeration. How can you say that? Yeah the US is historically the dominant country in basketball, but not in the early-mid 00's. 2002, they got sixth place in the FIBA championship, 2004 they lost to a shitty Puerto Rico team, and struggled again in the 2006 FIBA championship. Argentina beating the US in 2004 is not a significant upset considering Argentina was a Top 3 country at the time.

After the US, they're just beating teams at or below their level. Other than one upset, I don't see anything significant at all about that gold medal. You guys are acting like he dragged some third world hellhole like Somalia to the top :lol

[daslicer]

Such a dumb poster. :lol

:lol you live up to your SN which actually stands for Dumb As Fuck 86.

[DAF86]

:lol you live up to your SN which actually stands for Dumb As Fuck 86.

Thanks for proving my point son. :lol

[daslicer]

Thanks for proving my point son. :lol

:lol you proved my point by responding.

[FkLA]

It had as much to do with luck as it did accomplishment. The US team that year imploded and fell apart for reasons unrelated to Argentina. Two years later in 2006 the US couldn’t even win the FIBA championship and lost to a bunch of goat fuckers in Greece :lol

Wait a minute now. The Lakers imploded too, in typical Kirby Lakers fashion they bent over once the going got tough and Bynum literally went after a midget. LeBron curled into a fetal position in the Finals. I don't see you bringing that up to discredit Dirk's ring though. Double standard much?

[FkLA]

Except for the fact that you described an imaginary player.

Nah, his name is Emmanuel David Ginobili actually.

[HarlemHeat37]

Such a dumb poster. :lol

:lol

[Will Hunting]

Wait a minute now. The Lakers imploded too, in typical Kirby Lakers fashion they bent over once the going got tough and Bynum literally went after a midget. LeBron curled into a fetal position in the Finals. I don't see you bringing that up to discredit Dirk's ring though. Double standard much?
The two teams you’re talking about won multiple championships in other years. The 2004 US team lost to fucking Puerto Rico by 20 points.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe, still one of the greatest feats of all-time though. Let's also not forget that it was Manu's Argentina that started that US team implosion handing them their first loss ever two years prior in Indianapolis.
Their implosion was completely internal. Larry Brown was the dumbest possible coach for that situation and the roster was a shitshow.

Argentina didn’t have shit to do with them losing to Puerto Rico by 20 points :lol

[daslicer]

:lol

:lol Trust me that's how I feel about your stupid black supremacy takes.

[FkLA]

The two teams you’re talking about won multiple championships in other years. The 2004 US team lost to fucking Puerto Rico by 20 points.

So? That doesn't change the fact that in 2011, the year Dirk rang, all those things happened.

Not to mention the fact that the Heat didn't even have Ray Allen yet and were starting Joel Anthony.

[Millennial_Messiah]

So? That doesn't change the fact that in 2011, the year Dirk rang, all those things happened.

Not to mention the fact that the Heat didn't even have Ray Allen yet and were starting Joel Anthony.

Ilgauskas/Bosh/James/Wade/Chalmers


Anthony/Haslem/James Jones/Miller/Bibby off the bench


they were just fine in 2012 without Ray Allen, tbh, against a way, waaaaay more talented team in Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka all on the same team with Sefolosha, Jackson, Perkins, Muhammad, Cook etc to round out that roster.

[midnightpulp]

Missed this thread :lol. FkLA has retarded opinions on just about everything :lol. No, Manu isn't greater than Dirk. You'd have to be a moron or malaria net buying soccer fan to think otherwise (funny how soccer fans side Manu).

[Ghazi]

My favorite player of all time. May he have success for the remainder of his natural life and may he be blessed after that. :)

It was heartbreaking watching what he endured from 2003-2010, and that 2011 title was so so so sweet

[Ghazi]

It is kinda lame after 2011 we never even fielded a team CLOSE to being a contender, but such is life I guess.

[R. DeMurre]

Hitler wasn't as bad as people paint him out to be today, but his means to an end just escalated from reasonable to bad to worse to historically evil. His idea all along from the late 1920s onward was to make Germany a strong world power and provide an enhanced, wealthy version of socialism (with plenty of room for capitalism) to ethnic Germans. Think basically all the benefits of communism/socialism without any of the negative stuff like super high taxation, government control of your life and business, etc. as long as you're an ethnic German. Basically the Jews, Slavs, and nonwhites were meant to be forced worker bees (but still fed and provide housing) for the benefit of the Germans to all live upper middle class to wealthy lives. Unfortunately things got out of hand when he tried annexing too much territory and pissed off the West and the Soviet Union got too big and powerful for him to ignore. Then, Hitler panicked. But originally, nobody, including Jews, were meant to actually die.


Just want to remind everyone how this guy thinks...

[Chris]

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Why is the search feature disabled? Took me a minute to find this thread.

[140]

There's quite a few missing from that video, half assed effort tbh

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/1OmE3B-s8ow

[LkrFan]

This is the classiest sendoff I've ever seen for a rival
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Good job Spurs. :tu

[Dirks_Finale]

Spurs make it impossible to hate on them, tbh.


This is the classiest sendoff I've ever seen for a rival
RRzdabvpM2M

Good job Spurs. :tu