Rank em: Allen; Ginobili; Wade

[Rummpd]

1. Allen
2. Manu
3. Wade

Starting a team go with above in primes

[BD24]

1. Wade
2. Manu
3. Allen

[spurraider21]

manu is always a "what could have been" with respect to his ability to lead a team and to have a team built around him. ray allen gets underrated because people remember him too much for his celtics/heat days. i know spurstalk will have manu >>> allen but i dont think its that big a gap, especially because we've seen allen carry teams for seasons at a time

1. Wade
2a. Manu
2b. Allen

[LkrFan]

Manure
Allen
D-Whistle

In that order

[Laker_1995]

Manu
wade
Ray Ray

[Chris]

1. Manu
2. Wade
3. Allen

Allen doesn't even belong in the conversation. A complimentary piece.

[Chris]

Should have went with Allen Iverson. Then we have:

1. AI
2. Manu
3. Wade

[Fabbs]

1. Manu
2. Wade
3. Allen

Allen doesn't even belong in the conversation. A complimentary piece.
Gift given to Wade-Allen by CIA Popped in 2013 or these two don't ring.

We saw how effective Wade and Allen truly were when Timmy Duncar took over as player coach in 2014 while Crater stayed out of the way.

[Chris]

Gift given to Wade-Allen by CIA Popped in 2013 or these two don't ring.

We saw how effective Wade and Allen truly were when Timmy Duncar took over as player coach in 2014 while Crater stayed out of the way.

Timmy Duncar

[ambchang]

Wade is clearly number one. Why the contrary views for shock value?

[DMC]

4 rings
3 rings
2 rings (or whatever, not sure how many Allen has)


Ranked

[ElNono]

tbh, Allen tried to be a franchise player and failed. But he was a great shooting specialist. Wade was athletically superior by a mile compared to the other two. Manu was just versatile. He gave you offense, defense, when you needed it.

Honestly hard to rank, different players, all great players.

[Fabbs]

tbh, Allen tried to be a franchise player and failed. But he was a great shooting specialist. Wade was athletically superior by a mile compared to the other two. Manu was just versatile. He gave you offense, defense, when you needed it.

Honestly hard to rank, different players, all great players.
Wade and Manu def had great years. Allen meh not so much. Good? Yes. Great? Meh. His chokage with little Derek Swisher guarding him most of the game vs the Flamers in Game 7 gives his legacy a huge cut.

Manu I think Craters failure to get him off the court during his 2013 Alzheimers episodes most def tarnished Manu. Sure he got it back in 14 but take that '13 L off the record and he is looking even better. I know with no 13 we might not have had an uber motivated Timmy Dunks who demanded 100% from everyone so theres that. Do we repeat in 14 if Crater and Manu do not ruin 13? Maybe not.

[D-Wade]

Allen was robbed as a Buck in 2001 vs. Philly. (Ray Ray did 22/5/5 on ~50% on the season). I still maintain they were the better team. Even before 6, he had plenty of clutch playoff performances.

[Mr. Body]

Wade
Manu
Ray

[spurraider21]

tbh, Allen tried to be a franchise player and failed. But he was a great shooting specialist. Wade was athletically superior by a mile compared to the other two. Manu was just versatile. He gave you offense, defense, when you needed it.

Honestly hard to rank, different players, all great players.
thats such a gross understatement of what ray allen was, though...

[DAF86]

Wade is clearly number one. Why the contrary views for shock value?

I wouldn't say "clearly", tbh. Aside from 2006, with Shaq on his side, Wade never did too much as the go to guy of a franchise, tbh.

Wade was a monster on all facets of the game except the most important one: shooting (specially for a Shooting guard). That's why I wouldn't say he's "clearly" better than the other two, but I do have him on the top.

1-Wade
2-Manu
3-Allen

[spurraider21]

i will say that manu did have one of his best playoff performance against ray allen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VV6ibmaUFc

[DAF86]

i will say that manu did have one of his best playoff performance against ray allen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VV6ibmaUFc

Manu was a monster. Some people are way too caught up with the fact of never seeing him as the official alpha dog of an NBA team, but those same people ignore the fact that guys like DeRozan and Lowry have "led" the Raptors to multiple elite regular season records. Folks need to open their mind a bit more.

[spurraider21]

Manu was a monster. Some people are way too caught up with the fact of never seeing him as the official alpha dog of an NBA team, but those same people ignore the fact that guys like DeRozan and Lowry have "led" the Raptors to multiple elite regular season records. Folks need to open their mind a bit more.
its just that its still a hypothetical with him. we've never seen a team "built around" prime manu. we've never seen teams rely on manu to be the #1 for extended periods of time.

manu led the spurs in scoring exactly 1 time in his career (07-08) and that season ended with them getting bounced in 5 games by the lakers. manu had 1 great game where the spurs won, and in the other 4 games he scored a total of 33 points on 10/38 shooting

[ambchang]

I wouldn't say "clearly", tbh. Aside from 2006, with Shaq on his side, Wade never did too much as the go to guy of a franchise, tbh.

Wade was a monster on all facets of the game except the most important one: shooting (specially for a Shooting guard). That's why I wouldn't say he's "clearly" better than the other two, but I do have him on the top.

1-Wade
2-Manu
3-Allen

Actually, you are right. If it was :lol today’s nba then wade would go down the list.

[DAF86]

its just that its still a hypothetical with him. we've never seen a team "built around" prime manu. we've never seen teams rely on manu to be the #1 for extended periods of time.

manu led the spurs in scoring exactly 1 time in his career (07-08) and that season ended with them getting bounced in 5 games by the lakers. manu had 1 great game where the spurs won, and in the other 4 games he scored a total of 33 points on 10/38 shooting

I've seen teams built around him, all were champions, tbh.

Also, way to sell short a WCF on one ankle, tbh. :lol

[spurraider21]

I've seen teams built around him, all were champions, tbh.

Also, way to sell short a WCF on one ankle, tbh. :lol
yeah lets also talk about his durability issues even when taking a secondary/bench role most of his career

[HarlemHeat37]

Wade's peak was only beaten by Dad Killer among SGs..the 2006 Finals was historic, he single-handedly beat a very good Mavs team that had a top 20 player in his prime..

Many have forgotten how dominant he was due to the lack of popularity during the 2003-2007 era(along with being LeBron's sidekick in the era which saw the NBA's resurgence)

[ElNono]

thats such a gross understatement of what ray allen was, though...

Let’s say he was an elite shooting specialist? I mean he wasn’t a difference maker on defense, his driving/passing wasn’t noteworthy, you just couldn’t give him an inch of daylight for a shot, or he’ll burn you.

[ElNono]

yeah lets also talk about his durability issues even when taking a secondary/bench role most of his career

tbh, the whole durability argument I’ve found largely silly. Manu misses a grand total of 1 playoffs in his career due to injury or otherwise, no more or less than Duncan himself (also due to injury), or plenty of other players, and by 2009 Manu was playing fairly big minutes for the Spurs.

I’m more inclined to buy that his career would’ve been shorter and perhaps more injured with a larger role, but I actually think most of the prognosticators that said early in his career he was wouldn’t last were largely wrong seeing him play until 40+ at a high level.

[baseline bum]

Wade's peak was only beaten by Dad Killer among SGs..the 2006 Finals was historic, he single-handedly beat a very good Mavs team that had a top 20 player in his prime..

Many have forgotten how dominant he was due to the lack of popularity during the 2003-2007 era(along with being LeBron's sidekick in the era which saw the NBA's resurgence)

Wade's 2006 ECF against Detroit was even more impressive. Sad everyone forgets how ridiculous a player Wade was.

[spurraider21]

Let’s say he was an elite shooting specialist? I mean he wasn’t a difference maker on defense, his driving/passing wasn’t noteworthy, you just couldn’t give him an inch of daylight for a shot, or he’ll burn you.
during their respective peaks, allen's and manu's assist were a lot closer than you'd think. manu was obviously better at driving/passing, but allen wasn't a nothing in that category. people are remembering his celtics days more than anything. he was a legit #1 option who was plagued with awful teams.

he had to carry a team whose second best player was rashard lewis. and beyond that? luke ridnour? radmonovic? jerome james? :lmao

manu had the luxury of only having to take over to the extent that all time greats like duncan and parker weren't able to on a given night. admittedly, the guy stepped up when they were out (the loss to the lakers in 04 when duncan/parker sat and manu put the team on his back is still one of his great moments)... but he didnt have to do it on a nightly basis.

im not trying to shit on manu, he's my favorite of all time, along with timmy, and i've had the same avatar since the day i joined this board :lol... people sleep on ray allen like he was klay thompson.

[ElNono]

during their respective peaks, allen's and manu's assist were a lot closer than you'd think. manu was obviously better at driving/passing, but allen wasn't a nothing in that category. people are remembering his celtics days more than anything. he was a legit #1 option who was plagued with awful teams.

he had to carry a team whose second best player was rashard lewis. and beyond that? luke ridnour? radmonovic? jerome james? :lmao

Hey, that stuff happened to a lot of guys. KG too, even Dirk, who eventually soldiered on and broke through. It was the Lakers time or the Duncan era. It happens. I mean guys like Dirk, IMO, have an added value of sticking with it and eventually getting it done as opposed going for super teams.

[spurraider21]

Hey, that stuff happened to a lot of guys. KG too, even Dirk, who eventually soldiered on and broke through. It was the Lakers time or the Duncan era. It happens. I mean guys like Dirk, IMO, have an added value of sticking with it and eventually getting it done as opposed going for super teams.
:lmao KG "soldiered on and broke through" when he joined the Celtics alongside Ray Allen... dirk "soldiered and broke through" when the mavs built a great roster full of players to hide _irk's deficiencies (chandler, marion, kidd). ray allen rang as one of the key players on the celtics and then again as a key role player for miami. when the celtics needed him to step up, he averaged 20 ppg in the finals, shot over 50% from 3, and set a then-record for 3's in a series, outplaying the league mvp. when miami needed him to step up, he did. what did manu do in the finals that year, tbh?

[ElNono]

KG stopped being a franchise player when he moved to Boston, same with Allen. The Wolves and SuperSonics experiments were a failure. Dirk never stopped being the franchise player for the Mavs.

Everyone knows the high and lows of Manu’s career, tbh, I’m pointing out why I mentioned the Allen as a franchise player was a failure. I didn’t dismiss him at all either, he was a great player.

[Benoit]

Ginobili>Allen>Wade. Wade most overrated ever

[DAF86]

during their respective peaks, allen's and manu's assist were a lot closer than you'd think. manu was obviously better at driving/passing, but allen wasn't a nothing in that category. people are remembering his celtics days more than anything. he was a legit #1 option who was plagued with awful teams.

he had to carry a team whose second best player was rashard lewis. and beyond that? luke ridnour? radmonovic? jerome james? :lmao

manu had the luxury of only having to take over to the extent that all time greats like duncan and parker weren't able to on a given night. admittedly, the guy stepped up when they were out (the loss to the lakers in 04 when duncan/parker sat and manu put the team on his back is still one of his great moments)... but he didnt have to do it on a nightly basis.

im not trying to shit on manu, he's my favorite of all time, along with timmy, and i've had the same avatar since the day i joined this board :lol... people sleep on ray allen like he was klay thompson.

I actually rate Allen higher than most folks. You are just underrating Manu.

[SupremeGuy]

Manu and Wade had better primes, imo.

Wade
Manu
Allen

[FrostKing]

If you compare statistics: Wade reached some tiers such as 30 PPG, 6 boards and 7 assists (twice) not reached by Allen

People forget the Sonics was Allen's second team. When Allen joined the Celtics he was already 32 yrs old

[spurraider21]

KG stopped being a franchise player when he moved to Boston, same with Allen. The Wolves and SuperSonics experiments were a failure. Dirk never stopped being the franchise player for the Mavs.

Everyone knows the high and lows of Manu’s career, tbh, I’m pointing out why I mentioned the Allen as a franchise player was a failure. I didn’t dismiss him at all either, he was a great player.
bucks made ECF, sonics were a good team. he was only a failure from a championship or bust mentality, with his prime coinciding with the duncan spurs and shaq lakers dynasties. and he had subpar talent around him to other "franchise players"... on the other hand you have manu who was never asked to be a "franchise player" so its a complete hypo.

[Ghazi]

Wade was the best player in the world in 2006 and even 1-2 other years, although the refs handed him the first ring.

Manu is definitely better than Allen, IMO.

1. Wade 2. Manu 3. Allen for me.

[Ghazi]

ElNono KG was a franchise player in 2008 while with Boston. Was definitely a top 3 player in the league that year and his defensive intensity changed the culture in Boston.

[Rummpd]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

Wade then Manu then Allen by this i was wrong

[Chris Fall]

Actually could be a decent discussion because the value of each isn't just in the individual numbers. And the championship success of each could also be argued were not mostly because of any of them. But each was great in his own right for parts and stretches of their careers. I'd probably rank them Wade, Allen, Manu based on their NBA careers. But I'm not hardcore in that ranking.

I will say this about Ray Allen though. I think he would dominate in this era of the NBA. Teams now run offenses around three point shooting. It's not crazy for an individual player to take 15 threes in a game or average 10+ threes per. More wide open, transition action. Defenders not allowed to hand check and obstruct players out on the perimeter or in open court. A young, in his prime Ray Allen would put up some very impressive scoring numbers imo

[spurraider21]

celtics ray allen was essentially rip hamilton with 3 point range... but prime ray was so much more

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

D-Whistle
Manu
Gay Allen

[ElNono]

ElNono KG was a franchise player in 2008 while with Boston. Was definitely a top 3 player in the league that year and his defensive intensity changed the culture in Boston.

Sorry but he wasn’t. Boston went from being Paul Pierce’s team to a super team. It’s just not your classical NBA team with the franchise player + pieces.

[ElNono]

bucks made ECF, sonics were a good team. he was only a failure from a championship or bust mentality, with his prime coinciding with the duncan spurs and shaq lakers dynasties. and he had subpar talent around him to other "franchise players"... on the other hand you have manu who was never asked to be a "franchise player" so its a complete hypo.

It might not be fair, but we wouldn’t be having this convo if all of these 3 guys didn’t win championships. That’s just part and parcel of these comparisons