I quit, boys

[FkLA]

I've stuck through so many heartbreakers and blowouts over the years but this is truly a disgusting display by the coach and "star" players.




LMA and DD are fucking losers. I've wanted to believe in them all year but they are what they are. They'll get coddled here though because we're a city that just got spurned by Nephew and that struggles to attract talent.

Pet wombat. Seems like an amazing guy. I genuinely do believe he brings a lot of positive energy to the locker room. He does try really hard and gives it his all on the court but he fucking sucks. Should've never been resigned much less to that contract.

Bellinelli. Seriously why was he signed? He was a complete liability in the playoffs in 2014. The team clearly needed defensive wings after losing two all-defense wings to TOR. He had a solid regular season (again) but has shown what he is in the playoffs (again).

Pop is full of himself. He's let the fact that he's the GOAT get to his head. His hockey subs, the arrogance to stick to shit rotations that obviously aren't working, not playing his supposed best players in critical moment/quarters, neutering his best player's minutes in the fucking playoffs because he's a "genius" that invented DNP-rest and he knows best. What other coach does this? Noone. Because noone else has the arrogance that comes with being the GOAT. It's not senility, it's arrogance. I've never thought this but maybe bringing in new blood might be for the best. Ideally, Pop remains president and younger, hungrier, less arrogant coach takes over.

Cherry on top--you have that instagram baller on the sideline laughing as if the team isn't down 30. Probably brainstormng his next instagram baller post..."This ain't happening next year! I got yall! 100 *tongue sticking out emoji*"

[DPG21920]

I truly don’t understand Pop. LMa and White are in down 29 :lol Last game at home LMA didn’t play down 12

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Duncan ain't walking through those doors man...

[TheGreatYacht]

You quit just like Pop did

[Uriel]

:lol Instagram baller :lol

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

Ok goodbye, i expect to not see a comment from you again this season since you quit

[objective]

Pop would never call out the refs to the media either. Every other damn coach plays that game. And there's only one way to lose: by not playing

[Arcadian]

I kept the game on just so I could see how badly they lose. I hope for the Nuggets to win by 40 just so Pop realizes how horribly he has done.

[TDMVPDPOY]

pop: win my way or the highway

his the pos that cant get over himself...

when it comes to losing, the spurs are the best at losing in elimination games...

[midnightpulp]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.

[Stabula]

"This ain't happening next year! I got yall! 100 *tongue sticking out emoji*"

:lmao

[DAF86]

We need Pop to coach the regular season and somebody else take over in the playoffs.

[KDKSpurs24]

GTFOH then

[DAF86]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.

We didn't lose this series because of that. Denver is also among the teams that shoot the three the least and they are the second seed.

We lost this series because of Pop and his retarded management of substitutions and timeouts. Otherwise this series probably ends up in a sweep. Pop managed to turn a sweep in our favour into a series loss.

[exstatic]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.

Our offense isn’t the problem. Our TS% was the same as Houston’s. Our defense is beyond awful.

[objective]

We didn't lose this series because of that. Denver is also among the teams that shoot the three the least and they are the second seed.

We lost this series because of Pop and his retarded management of substitutions and timeouts. Otherwise this series probably ends up in a sweep. Pop managed to turn a sweep in our favour into a series loss.

Sooo ... You wouldn't give Pop a B+ for the playoffs?

[sasaint]

I kept the game on just so I could see how badly they lose. I hope for the Nuggets to win by 40 just so Pop realizes how horribly he has done.

His ego will blind him to that realization. Not happening. Post game interview: "They hit shots; we didn't."

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Spurs only have 1 good perimeter defender :lol

[99 Problems]

:claw Wishing you all the best man.

[TDMVPDPOY]

popabitch cant win shit without td

[FkLA]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.

We don't have to be legit contenders to beat one of the weakest, pretender 2nd seeds of all-time though. They were there, ready to die in Game 2 and Pop's arrogance let them off the hook. And if it truly is a systemic issue (still think the ceiling was very high with Nephew who is primarily a midrange guy), that's also on Pop's arrogance. He's basically saying I'm going to zag while you zig because I'm the GOAT and I'm that good.

[itzsoweezee]

Our offense isn’t the problem. Our TS% was the same as Houston’s. Our defense is beyond awful.

They scored 90 points. Are you retarded? Of course the offense is the problem. And when you're easy to guard and can't shoot, like the Spurs are, the other team is going to get a lot of opportunities to score easily off of misses.

Dumb roster all around. And it should be clear now that the thought that DJM is going to make a difference next year is just wishful thinking

[midnightpulp]

We didn't lose this series because of that. Denver is also among the teams that shoot the three the least and they are the second seed.

We lost this series because of Pop and his retarded management of substitutions and timeouts. Otherwise this series probably ends up in a sweep. Pop managed to turn a sweep in our favour into a series loss.

Denver is about league average on 3s, shooting 6 more attempt than the Spurs. Still a big difference. More importantly, they're in the bottom half of shots from 10-22 feet. The Spurs system is behind the times.

[Mugen]

Spurs only have 1 good perimeter defender :lol

There's also no way they thought White would be as good defensively as he is tbh....

So the front office went into this season after losing Kawhi, Danny, and Fathead on the perimeter by bringing in Beli, Derozan, and giving Forbes a bigger role :lol

[MoSpur02]

Shades of TPark TBH

[baseline bum]

All through Game 1 I felt it was just Denver missing wide open shots. And then Game 2 was pretty much the same thing until Murray went supernova in the fourth. I don't know if it was nerves or what the first couple of games but now the Nuggets seem to be the team they were in the regular season. Aside from White's monster Game 3 this series has really been about what Denver has done, which is to be expected with the Spurs being a lower tier playoff team.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

You can't quit on a team when they already quit on themselves tbh

[therealtruth]

But what about the 19 point leads? Spurs can still win game 6 and force a game 7.

[objective]

This should be been a sweep, Pop cost them the series

[Robz4000]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.

They also led the league in 3PT%, but I do agree they take too many midrange shots. Main issue has been Pop and the two losers masquerading as All Stars falling apart when the going gets tough.

[FkLA]

We didn't lose this series because of that. Denver is also among the teams that shoot the three the least and they are the second seed.

We lost this series because of Pop and his retarded management of substitutions and timeouts. Otherwise this series probably ends up in a sweep. Pop managed to turn a sweep in our favour into a series loss.

He should've killed that Mills-Belli duo after they lost the first 19 point lead. But he trotted it out again and lost another 19 point lead. Then the motherfucker does the same thing in Game 3 and almost lost that game if White didn't go wild. We're now in Game 5 and he's still trotting it out. Who the fuck does that? For what reason other than arrogance and a belief that his rotations are never wrong?

[midnightpulp]

Our offense isn’t the problem. Our TS% was the same as Houston’s. Our defense is beyond awful.

Houston's TS% was higher and their o-rating was 2.6 points higher, while only being .5 points better defensively. 2.6 points might not sound like much, but it is.

[midnightpulp]

They also led the league in 3PT%, but I do agree they take too many midrange shots. Main issue has been Pop and the two losers masquerading as All Stars falling apart when the going gets tough.

You want volume today.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:cry Please return Kawhi

[SouthTexasRancher]

Without Tim, Tony and Manu, Pop ain't shit. Retire Pop, retire. Spend your twilight years running for some political office. Put your dog house from hell to good use....run for city dog catcher. Seriously, Pop just continues to get out coached. The NBA has moved on from Pop. He is like Hillary and crazy uncle Joe, as all 3 think they are still relevant.

[DAF86]

Houston's TS% was higher and their o-rating was 2.6 points higher, while only being .5 points better defensively. 2.6 points might not sound like much, but it is.

Dude, give it up. This series isn't about that. Trust me, there's nobody advocating for some more 3pt shooting and less midrange shooting than me. But on this series, volume 3pt shooting has had nothing to do with losing.

[ZeusWillJudge]

There's also no way they thought White would be as good defensively as he is tbh....

So the front office went into this season after losing Kawhi, Danny, and Fathead on the perimeter by bringing in Beli, Derozan, and giving Forbes a bigger role :lol


Exactly.

[FkLA]

All through Game 1 I felt it was just Denver missing wide open shots. And then Game 2 was pretty much the same thing until Murray went supernova in the fourth. I don't know if it was nerves or what the first couple of games but now the Nuggets seem to be the team they were in the regular season. Aside from White's monster Game 3 this series has really been about what Denver has done, which is to be expected with the Spurs being a lower tier playoff team.

Denver fucking sucks. Just about any other coach in the league would've stepped on their throat in Game 2.

[Dex]

https://media.giphy.com/media/2ept7eRuyq98s/200.gif

[offset formation]

GTFOH then

[JeffDuncan]

I hear that the Lakers need fans.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can't win jack with a midget backcourt. The Mills/Forbes combo is trash.

[Robz4000]

You want volume today.

Eh, they don't need to chuck 40 threes a game when they play at such a slow pace. The offense this year was way too stagnant with players standing around watching LMA and DeRozan ISO and chuck fadeaway jumpers. Spurs need to dump DeRozan and LMA too (though I can live with keeping LMA), go back to a motion-offense, and add defenders. If they double down on Mills/Beli/Forbes whIle keeping both LMA/DeRozan and hoping Murray alone fixes the defense then the organization is content to be mediocre.

[Hoops Czar]

I truly don’t understand Pop. LMa and White are in down 29 :lol Last game at home LMA didn’t play down 12
I thought you didn't want him to pull the plug too early?

[Kurgan]

Top two teams in the West are 1st and 2nd in 3 pointers made per game in the playoffs. Top two teams in the East are 4th and 5th. Spurs are dead last.

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[**BUSTA**]

I truly don’t understand Pop. LMa and White are in down 29 :lol Last game at home LMA didn’t play down 12

Playing LMa and White together in garbage time may have been one of the more sensible things Pop did.
I don't know why he did it, but it may have allowed White to work though his problems and get White
and Aldridge back in sync with each other before game 6. Maybe ?

[baseline bum]

Denver fucking sucks. Just about any other coach in the league would've stepped on their throat in Game 2.

I find it really hard to believe the Spurs should be in control of this series after how ugly Games 4 & 5 were. And Mills and Bellinelli are awful to watch but Lonnie Walker would be even worse. That guy does not look like an NBA player yet even in garbage time. If there is one bench player who has really pissed me off it's Rudy Gay. But then again that was Gay's reputation for years in Memphis and Toronto too so I probably shouldn't be surprised. This team is so lacking in talent with Murray injured and I'm still kind of in shock they won 48 games with that roster.

[midnightpulp]

Dude, give it up. This series isn't about that. Trust me, there's nobody advocating for some more 3pt shooting and less midrange shooting than me. But on this series, volume 3pt shooting has had nothing to do with losing.

Because you're seeing what you want to see, being results oriented with micro-decisions. You don't lose a game in which you're leading by 19 by 9 just because Pop chose to go with a suspect line-up for a bit. Let's look at the 3 point stats from that game: Spurs: 5-18, Denver: 10-24. 15 point difference. Game 4 home loss: Spurs: 5-17, Denver: 15-31. Tonight: Spurs: 7-24, Denver: 14-33. Absolutely slaughtered from 3 in the losses, but yeah, this series isn't about the Spurs lacking 3 point shooting vs. Denver :lol. It's about Pop and playing Mills and Belli (who admittedly suck) too much. Spurs are outgunned, and no amount of counterfactuals would've changed things.

I get it, it's easier and more cathartic to "blame" individuals after a loss rather than just admitting we're bringing a mid-range knife to a three point gun fight.

[midnightpulp]

Top two teams in the West are 1st and 2nd in 3 pointers made per game in the playoffs. Top two teams in the East are 4th and 5th. Spurs are dead last.

http://i63.tinypic.com/3326yrb.png

:tu

"It's not about 3 point shooting, though!" Some of the takes here :lol

[gambit1990]

Top two teams in the West are 1st and 2nd in 3 pointers made per game in the playoffs. Top two teams in the East are 4th and 5th. Spurs are dead last.

http://i63.tinypic.com/3326yrb.png
3PA is even worse than 3PM.

[Budkin]

Shades of TPark TBH

Nothing will ever top TPark’s fat ass quitting.

[HarlemHeat37]

Because you're seeing what you want to see, being results oriented with micro-decisions. You don't lose a game in which you're leading by 19 by 9 just because Pop chose to go with a suspect line-up for a bit. Let's look at the 3 point stats from that game: Spurs: 5-18, Denver: 10-24. 15 point difference. Game 4 home loss: Spurs: 5-17, Denver: 15-31. Tonight: Spurs: 7-24, Denver: 14-33. Absolutely slaughtered from 3 in the losses, but yeah, this series isn't about the Spurs lacking 3 point shooting vs. Denver :lol. It's about Pop and playing Mills and Belli (who admittedly suck) too much. Spurs are outgunned, and no amount of counterfactuals would've changed things.

I get it, it's easier and more cathartic to "blame" individuals after a loss rather than just admitting we're bringing a mid-range knife to a three point gun fight.

Of course it's about 3-point shooting, that's a given, but something that hasn't changed in the NBA(and will never change) is needing to be able to defend to win a title..

The Warriors are back to playing great D after coasting during the RS..the Rockets have been the best defense in the NBA since the All-Star break..the Bucks have been great all year on that end and the Raptors have been on a different level since adding Marc Gasol..

Combining low-volume in 3s, mid-range go-to guys and a rotation full of non-defenders gives them very little room for error..they're fortunate to be playing against a fake 2 seed like Denver or this would have been a sweep..

[emanueldavidginobili]

The Spurs are the 7th seed verse the 2nd seed going back home down 3-2. Stop bitching what else did you expect. Did you not watch the regular season?

[gambit1990]

if OP leaves then there'll be less bad takes on here tbh.

[gambit1990]

this is what happened: ST overestimated the spurs after the streak earlier in the season, overestimated the spurs after the streak later in the season, and overestimated the spurs after they went up 2-1.

i never bought into it and it wasn't even hard to see why.

"spurs have a chance against any team that isn't the warriors" :lol
"spurs are making it to the WCF" :lol

[DPG21920]

Of course it's about 3-point shooting, that's a given, but something that hasn't changed in the NBA(and will never change) is needing to be able to defend to win a title..

The Warriors are back to playing great D after coasting during the RS..the Rockets have been the best defense in the NBA since the All-Star break..the Bucks have been great all year on that end and the Raptors have been on a different level since adding Marc Gasol..

Combining low-volume in 3s, mid-range go-to guys and a rotation full of non-defenders gives them very little room for error..they're fortunate to be playing against a fake 2 seed like Denver or this would have been a sweep..

I dont know why people call Denver fake. Yeah, they are streaky but their defense is a lot better than people give credit.

[tmtcsc]

Pop would never call out the refs to the media either. Every other damn coach plays that game. And there's only one way to lose: by not playing

Pop takes out his anger on the media - specifically Tom Orsborn. That's his whipping boy with a mic.

[Kurgan]

All the elite teams(Warriors, Rockets, Bucks, Raptors) are attempting 30+ threes per game. Meanwhile, Spurs are attempting 17 per game. It's insanity to handicap yourself like this. Spurs built a flawed roster around a flawed system that doesn't work in today's NBA.

[midnightpulp]

Of course it's about 3-point shooting, that's a given, but something that hasn't changed in the NBA(and will never change) is needing to be able to defend to win a title..

The Warriors are back to playing great D after coasting during the RS..the Rockets have been the best defense in the NBA since the All-Star break..the Bucks have been great all year on that end and the Raptors have been on a different level since adding Marc Gasol..

Combining low-volume in 3s, mid-range go-to guys and a rotation full of non-defenders gives them very little room for error..they're fortunate to be playing against a fake 2 seed like Denver or this would have been a sweep..

But a great offense is also the best defense in this era. Defending the 3 tires out players faster than defending a plodding midrange/low post team. Spur opponents simply don't exhaust themselves as much defending their offense as Spur players do against a 3 point shooting team. I do agree the Spurs personnel is also defensively deficient from an athleticism/talent perspective. Patty Mills, Belli, DeFrozen, LMA, Gay, never have been great defenders.

[tmtcsc]

I switched to the OKC game. I'm not a fan of Westbrook and his on-court antics but there's no arguing that he plays with his emotions on his sleeve and competes. We don't have a single player on the Spurs who plays with any accountability. None.

[Dex]

Seriously though, FkLA...don't make this kind of post, then try to come back next season and act like you are still a fan or even a moderate supporter of this team.

We are all frustrated by this game. We are all frustrated by this series. We are all frustrated by this season, and by life after Duncan. But we aren't all out here throwing our fandom on the ground for everyone to witness.

You want to quit? Then quit.

But if you are going to do it, you better own it.

[Atl Spur]

We need defenders! Shooting more threes is not the answer.

[DPG21920]

Next season: “Hi I am FkLB - I’m new here! Long time lurker first time poster”

[spursistan]

We need Pop to coach the regular season and somebody else take over in the playoffs.

I would legit take Nate fuckin MacMillan over him if I'm trying to win 50-50 playoffs series..

The fact that 90% of this fanbase is fretting about him in all of the the pre-series previews shows you that he stopped being an asset at this level of competition years ago..

[FkLA]

I find it really hard to believe the Spurs should be in control of this series after how ugly Games 4 & 5 were. And Mills and Bellinelli are awful to watch but Lonnie Walker would be even worse. That guy does not look like an NBA player yet even in garbage time. If there is one bench player who has really pissed me off it's Rudy Gay. But then again that was Gay's reputation for years in Memphis and Toronto too so I probably shouldn't be surprised. This team is so lacking in talent with Murray injured and I'm still kind of in shock they won 48 games with that roster.

Yeah, but it's not like his only option was to play Walker in their place. How about just upping the minutes of White/DD/Forbes? Play them 40+ in Game 2 and you go home in complete control. You want to know why most people's only memory of Belli in the 2014 playoffs is that shot he made in the Finals? Because he was only averaging like 5-10 non-garbage minutes per game.



Because you're seeing what you want to see, being results oriented with micro-decisions. You don't lose a game in which you're leading by 19 by 9 just because Pop chose to go with a suspect line-up for a bit. Let's look at the 3 point stats from that game: Spurs: 5-18, Denver: 10-24. 15 point difference. Game 4 home loss: Spurs: 5-17, Denver: 15-31. Tonight: Spurs: 7-24, Denver: 14-33. Absolutely slaughtered from 3 in the losses, but yeah, this series isn't about the Spurs lacking 3 point shooting vs. Denver :lol. It's about Pop and playing Mills and Belli (who admittedly suck) too much. Spurs are outgunned, and no amount of counterfactuals would've changed things.

I get it, it's easier and more cathartic to "blame" individuals after a loss rather than just admitting we're bringing a mid-range knife to a three point gun fight.

Dude, we're talking about the fucking Denver Nuggets. You make it sound like a team that uses the 3 point shot heavily will always beat a team like the Spurs. In reality, the Spurs beat Houston (who is the poster child for that style) just a couple of years ago. So yes, players and coaching do matter. Our pussy ass star players and arrogant coach had more to do with this series loss than the system.

[lefty]

Spurs only have 1 good perimeter defender :lol
And he was traded for ddr

[midnightpulp]

this is what happened: ST overestimated the spurs after the streak earlier in the season, overestimated the spurs after the streak later in the season, and overestimated the spurs after they went up 2-1.

i never bought into it and it wasn't even hard to see why.

"spurs have a chance against any team that isn't the warriors" :lol
"spurs are making it to the WCF" :lol

We might finally agree on something after all these years. What were people here expecting with team that is centered around a midrange shooting LMA and Defrozen, with role players consisting of a past his prime Rudy Gay, Bryn Forbes, Patty Mills, Marco Bellinelli, and Jakob Poeltl? At least Derrick White gave us some nice moments.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I dont know why people call Denver fake. Yeah, they are streaky but their defense is a lot better than people give credit.

Steph Curry is streaky but nobody calls the Warriors fake. Gay, maybe, but not fake.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I switched to the OKC game. I'm not a fan of Westbrook and his on-court antics but there's no arguing that he plays with his emotions on his sleeve and competes. We don't have a single player on the Spurs who plays with any accountability. None.

Westbrick is literally this generation's Allen Iverson.

[Big Empty]

😭😞 i feel ur pain. Our star players gave up. No balls. Passive. Scared. Never seen that even pre-Tim Duncan era....well shit. We got a home game left. Lets see nothin to lose

[DAF86]

Because you're seeing what you want to see, being results oriented with micro-decisions. You don't lose a game in which you're leading by 19 by 9 just because Pop chose to go with a suspect line-up for a bit. Let's look at the 3 point stats from that game: Spurs: 5-18, Denver: 10-24. 15 point difference. Game 4 home loss: Spurs: 5-17, Denver: 15-31. Tonight: Spurs: 7-24, Denver: 14-33. Absolutely slaughtered from 3 in the losses, but yeah, this series isn't about the Spurs lacking 3 point shooting vs. Denver :lol. It's about Pop and playing Mills and Belli (who admittedly suck) too much. Spurs are outgunned, and no amount of counterfactuals would've changed things.

I get it, it's easier and more cathartic to "blame" individuals after a loss rather than just admitting we're bringing a mid-range knife to a three point gun fight.

Dude try watching a game for once and you will notice when those 3's came, how they came and why they came.

It was keeping the foot on the gas for 3 to 6 more minutes and the series would have been over.

Since you aren't watching the games I will give you a hand so you can understand: all went to shit when we got our 3pt squad into the game. The lineup that shoots more 3's (and more accurately) than any other bench in the league.

[Reck]

Spurs won 2 more games then they thought they would.

Granted, for a minute it looked like they had a shot but Nuggets are the better team. That's it.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, but it's not like his only option was to play Walker in their place. How about just upping the minutes of White/DD/Forbes? Play them 40+ in Game 2 and you go home in complete control. You want to know why most people's only memory of Belli in the 2014 playoffs is that shot he made in the Finals? Because he was only averaging like 5-10 non-garbage minutes per game

Dude, we're talking about the fucking Denver Nuggets. You make it sound like a team that uses the 3 point shot heavily will always beat a team like the Spurs. In reality, the Spurs beat Houston (who is the poster child for that style) just a couple of years ago. So yes, players and coaching do matter. Our pussy ass star players and arrogant coach had more to do with this series loss than the system.

The Spurs team that beat Houston was a lot different roster wise. Danny Green and Leonard being the main perimeter defenders is a pretty big difference. You're also being results oriented. Just because something happens once, doesn't mean it's mathematically sound. A team that doesn't shoot as many 3s as their opponent is at a mathematical disadvantage. Yes, players do matter. Players who can actually shoot a 3 :lol.

Why do you think contending teams today are built they way they are? It's what works. Spurs don't have a system that works.

[Kurgan]

Dude, we're talking about the fucking Denver Nuggets. You make it sound like a team that uses the 3 point shot heavily will always beat a team like the Spurs. In reality, the Spurs beat Houston (who is the poster child for that style) just a couple of years ago. So yes, players and coaching do matter. Our pussy ass star players and arrogant coach had more to do with this series loss than the system.

We had a legit superstar back then. We were also more competitive on the three point front. We attempted 26 threes a game in that series.

The Rox would destroy the current Spurs roster. We're actually fortunate we got the Nugs instead to give us a respectable playoff exit. D'Antoni sweeping the Spurs in massive blowout wins would have been hard to stomach.

[FkLA]

Seriously though, FkLA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213)...don't make this kind of post, then try to come back next season and act like you are still a fan or even a moderate supporter of this team.

We are all frustrated by this game. We are all frustrated by this series. We are all frustrated by this season, and by life after Duncan. But we aren't all out here throwing our fandom on the ground for everyone to witness.

You want to quit? Then quit.

But if you are going to do it, you better own it.

You are cool and I like you but I don't think I've ever seen you say a negative thing about the team or Pop. A fanbase full of complacent/sunshine pumper fans isn't good for the organization.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I quit boys (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278990)


Well that explains all the nervous sheep.

See you here tomorrow?

[midnightpulp]

Dude try watching a game for once and you will notice when those 3's came, how they came and why they came.

It was keeping the foot on the gas for 3 to 6 more minutes and the series would have been over.

Since you aren't watching the games I will give you a hand so you can understand: all went to shit when we got our 3pt squad into the game. The lineup that shoots more 3's (and more accurately) than any other bench.

You sound like it's your first time watching basketball. Defensive breakdowns on the perimeter are going to happen, they happen more so than ever in :lol today's NBA. Just look at some of the score lines we're seeing in "grit and grind" playoff basketball. These defensive breakdowns are especially going to happen with a team who has just an average perimeter defense. If the Spurs matched Denver in game 2 from the 3, it's a win. Why can't the Spurs match Denver (or anybody else in the NBA)? "That's not who they are!" It's who they need to be in the future. When you get smoked from downtown by a difference of 66 points in your losses, the answer is pretty clear what the deficiency is.

[Dennis the Menace]

All the elite teams(Warriors, Rockets, Bucks, Raptors) are attempting 30+ threes per game. Meanwhile, Spurs are attempting 17 per game. It's insanity to handicap yourself like this. Spurs built a flawed roster around a flawed system that doesn't work in today's NBA.

In the post Duncan world, the only thing this franchise can do well is draft and develop.

Coaching and GM’ing needs an enema and be replaced

[gambit1990]

A fanbase full of complacent/sunshine pumper fans isn't good for the organization.
also you: "we're back boys".

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276941

[DAF86]

You sound like it's your first time watching basketball. Defensive breakdowns on the perimeter are going to happen, they happen more so than ever in :lol today's NBA. Just look at some of the score lines we're seeing in "grit and grind" playoff basketball. These defensive breakdowns are especially going to happen with a team who has just an average perimeter defense. If the Spurs matched Denver in game 2 from the 3, it's a win. Why can't the Spurs match Denver (or anybody else in the NBA)? "That's not who they are!" It's who they need to be in the future. When you get smoked from downtown by a difference of 66 points in your losses, the answer is pretty clear what the deficiency is.

Sure, but that isn't the argument here. :lol

The argument here is that even this extremely flawed Spurs team could have won (actually swept) this series by just keeping the foot on the gas for 3 to 6 more minutes. That's all they needed. Nothing else mattered.

6 more minutes of a non complete incompetent defensive lineup and this shit would have ended on saturday.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

We lost this series because of Pop and his retarded management of substitutions and timeouts. Otherwise this series probably ends up in a sweep. Pop managed to turn a sweep in our favour into a series loss.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

He should've killed that Mills-Belli duo after they lost the first 19 point lead. But he trotted it out again and lost another 19 point lead. Then the motherfucker does the same thing in Game 3 and almost lost that game if White didn't go wild. We're now in Game 5 and he's still trotting it out. Who the fuck does that? For what reason other than arrogance and a belief that his rotations are never wrong?

[Reck]

DAF86, That's nonsense.

A sweep, really? :lol

[FkLA]

The Spurs team that beat Houston was a lot different roster wise. Danny Green and Leonard being the main perimeter defenders is a pretty big difference. You're also being results oriented. Just because something happens once, doesn't mean it's mathematically sound. A team that doesn't shoot as many 3s as their opponent is at a mathematical disadvantage. Yes, players do matter. Players who can actually shoot a 3 :lol.

Why do you think contending teams today are built they way they are? It's what works. Spurs don't have a system that works.

You can't just ignore the horrible in series coaching against a weak pretender and just point to the system. It's really that simple.

Nobody has ever argued that you can win with frauds like DeRozan/LMA with this system btw. Just like I'm sure you would never argue that Trae Young's teams will eventually be elite because he jacks up so many threes. My argument was always that it could work because of Nephew's greatness, which I still maintain.



We had a legit superstar back then. We were also more competitive on the three point front. We attempted 26 threes a game in that series.

The Rox would destroy the current Spurs roster. We're actually fortunate we got the Nugs instead to give us a respectable playoff exit. D'Antoni sweeping the Spurs in massive blowout wins would have been hard to stomach.

Not sure what you are disagreeing with? I literally said players/coaching matter. My only point was that in this series, against a weak pretender, our "stars" being frauds and shitty coaching had more to do with the loss than the system.

[KimmyGib]

This poorly built team and outdated system was very close to getting exposed badly this year until the emergence of D. White. IMO Spurs overachieved because of him. This hasn't been a bad series, especially considering how close we were to a first round against GS or HOU. Still think we have a good chance to push this to a game 7.

[HarlemHeat37]

I dont know why people call Denver fake. Yeah, they are streaky but their defense is a lot better than people give credit.

They just aren't a top-level team(considering they were the 2 seed) as we've come to expect in the West(Warriors, Rockets of the last 2 years, Thunder/Spurs of 2016, etc)..they're a 4 seed caliber team IMO..

[midnightpulp]

Sure, but that isn't the argument here. :lol

The argument here is that even this extremely flawed Spurs team could have won (actually swept) this series by just keeping the foot on the gas for 3 to 6 more minutes. That's all they needed. Nothing else mattered.

6 more minutes of a non complete incompetent defensive lineup and this shit would have ended on saturday.

You can't assume sweep if they held on in game 2. Spurs are supposed to be professional basketball players, so what happened in the following games? If the Spurs were naturally good enough to sweep, as you're implying, why not just win 4-1 then? Maybe it's because they are not good enough and play a flawed style of basketball.

[FkLA]

also you: "we're back boys".

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276941

It's called a joke.

[DPG21920]

They just aren't a top-level team(considering they were the 2 seed) as we've come to expect in the West(Warriors, Rockets of the last 2 years, Thunder/Spurs of 2016, etc)..they're a 4 seed caliber team IMO..

Ah, I see. Well, sort of. I mean, there just aren’t that level of quality teams in the West this year. So for what the West is, they are good.

But man. Watching every other series, you truly see the difference in superstar players and their ability/effort (Dame, Russ, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc..) and what SA has with Lma/DeRozan that are really good players.

[gambit1990]

It's called a joke.
just fucking own it man.

also you:

Its official. We are darkhorse contenders again.

:flag:

[DPG21920]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.

[FkLA]

just fucking own it man.

also you:

Pretty sure that's just called being a fan not a sunshine pumper.

[DAF86]

DAF86, That's nonsense.

A sweep, really? :lol

Game 1 won
Game 3 won
Game 2 should have been won

That's a 3-0 lead right there. The smart reasoning is that after a 3-0 lead with the Spurs with confidence and the Nuggets without it, and playing on San Antonio, the Spurs should have won game 4.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ah, I see. Well, sort of. I mean, there just aren’t that level of quality teams in the West this year. So for what the West is, they are good.

But man. Watching every other series, you truly see the difference in superstar players and their ability/effort (Dame, Russ, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc..) and what SA has with Lma/DeRozan that are really good players.

Yep, although Aldridge could at least do it in the past for a game or 2.. maybe the load from last season took a toll on him..

[DAF86]

Ah, I see. Well, sort of. I mean, there just aren’t that level of quality teams in the West this year. So for what the West is, they are good.

But man. Watching every other series, you truly see the difference in superstar players and their ability/effort (Dame, Russ, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc..) and what SA has with Lma/DeRozan that are really good players.

One could say it isn't winning basketball, tbh.

[FkLA]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.

I agree. LMA, DD, and Jokic don't have that fire. White doesn't have that top tier talent. J. Murray is just a cocky fraud.

[DPG21920]

Like when DeRozan and LMA watch these other series do they not go “man, that looks intense”? They are so nonchalant about everything and have not found that other gear you normally see (and have seen by every other team) in the playoffs

[Nathan89]

Don't worry because Murray is going to help our 3pt shooting significantly.

[Arcadian]

Let's see how they respond in game 6. If this shit happens again, then you can quit.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.

Just an accurate one.

Reminder that guys like Lamaar and Demar came into the season expecting DEJOUNTE to be the on-court and mental/emotional leader.

These fucking 10-year vets wanted the buck to stop with a little kid, rather than themselves. Meanwhile Dejounte was laughing at them for getting beat off the court.

That tells all of us everything there is to know about our team's mentality.

No winners.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I agree. LMA, DD, and Jokic don't have that fire. White doesn't have that top tier talent. J. Murray is just a cocky fraud.

How is Murray a fraud?

He's real enough to be us, at least.

[Hoops Czar]

It's called a joke.
Oh, this thread is a joke. Well, that explains it.

[JeffDuncan]

Oh, this thread is a joke. Well, that explains it.

The OP is a joke.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Game 1 won
Game 3 won
Game 2 should have been won

That's a 3-0 lead right there. The smart reasoning is that after a 3-0 lead with the Spurs with confidence and the Nuggets without it, and playing on San Antonio, the Spurs should have won game 4.

[Texas_Ranger]

we are gonna lose this series because we suck. There's a reason we were 7th seed. People act like this team was gonna do something. We have 2 of the biggest ''stars'' that are chokers on the team. If you think they will stop choking, you're pretty much a retard.

oh and we have Patty Mills.... can't forget about that stupid midget.

[therealtruth]

I've been saying it for a while Pop doesn't have the killer instinct. How many playoff series leads has he blown? Probably more than anybody else. The other coach figure him out and then he's stuck.

[smaka]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.
Demar's depression is probably contagious and spreading like cancer within the team.

[monty4329]

They scored 90 points. Are you retarded? Of course the offense is the problem. And when you're easy to guard and can't shoot, like the Spurs are, the other team is going to get a lot of opportunities to score easily off of misses.

Dumb roster all around. And it should be clear now that the thought that DJM is going to make a difference next year is just wishful thinking

Exactly. It is beyond laughable blaming the defense.

It is basketball, a good offense anways beats a good defense. Denver defense took away all our 3ps shots: meaning the offense was bad.

This team problem is the offense, it is one dimensional and when the opposing team locks in, it is game over. Of course when you have DDR as your "star" offensive player, there isn't much one can do.

[monty4329]

Because you're seeing what you want to see, being results oriented with micro-decisions. You don't lose a game in which you're leading by 19 by 9 just because Pop chose to go with a suspect line-up for a bit. Let's look at the 3 point stats from that game: Spurs: 5-18, Denver: 10-24. 15 point difference. Game 4 home loss: Spurs: 5-17, Denver: 15-31. Tonight: Spurs: 7-24, Denver: 14-33. Absolutely slaughtered from 3 in the losses, but yeah, this series isn't about the Spurs lacking 3 point shooting vs. Denver :lol. It's about Pop and playing Mills and Belli (who admittedly suck) too much. Spurs are outgunned, and no amount of counterfactuals would've changed things.

I get it, it's easier and more cathartic to "blame" individuals after a loss rather than just admitting we're bringing a mid-range knife to a three point gun fight.

Yes, hard to compete when after Denver makes a three, the answer is DDR iso for a midrange fadaway (which he misses anyway).

[monty4329]

We need defenders! Shooting more threes is not the answer.

What? to win 95-92 ?

[Rummpd]

Goodbye (until next game)

[monty4329]

Demar's depression is probably contagious and spreading like cancer within the team.

He isn't depressed when he cashes in his biweekly check. He needs to go, his body language is disgusting.

[dbreiden83080]

If only Spurstalk could coach this team, they would have won every chip from 1999-2018..

[San Antonio Slayer]

So many quitters, pussies and trolls here. What a disgusting downgrade for the forum.

[SupremeGuy]

If only Spurstalk could coach this team, they would have won every chip from 1999-2018..2003-2010
2012-2015

[Raven]

you get no points for quitting, but i agree that it is hard to watch when players don't put any effort in.

[TDMVPDPOY]

every year its always the same shit

same fkn turds fucking it up, no efford

yet they are still on the team... shitty mills, lma and ddr....

[tholdren]

Get over it. This is glorified WWE. None of these guys are anything more than entertainers. And here you are crying like DDR on a social media platform... pot meet kettle

[baseline bum]

Yeah, but it's not like his only option was to play Walker in their place. How about just upping the minutes of White/DD/Forbes? Play them 40+ in Game 2 and you go home in complete control. You want to know why most people's only memory of Belli in the 2014 playoffs is that shot he made in the Finals? Because he was only averaging like 5-10 non-garbage minutes per game.


My memory of Bellinelli in the 2014 Finals is him missing a really easy shot right before that three. :lol

[WallyTiger]

If only Spurstalk could coach this team, they would have won every chip from 1999-2018..

[r0drig0lac]

ok

[UZER]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.

“It’s just basketball. Why should they try hard?”

:pop:

[jjktkk]

I dont know why people call Denver fake. Yeah, they are streaky but their defense is a lot better than people give credit.

This. Excluding Jokic, the Nugget's overall advantage in athleticism is alarming.

[jjktkk]

Next season: “Hi I am FkLB - I’m new here! Long time lurker first time poster”

:lol

[jjktkk]

You can't just ignore the horrible in series coaching against a weak pretender and just point to the system. It's really that simple.

Nobody has ever argued that you can win with frauds like DeRozan/LMA with this system btw. Just like I'm sure you would never argue that Trae Young's teams will eventually be elite because he jacks up so many threes. My argument was always that it could work because of Nephew's greatness, which I still maintain.




Not sure what you are disagreeing with? I literally said players/coaching matter. My only point was that in this series, against a weak pretender, our "stars" being frauds and shitty coaching had more to do with the loss than the system.The biggest flaw in your argument is thinking Denver is a weak pretender. The only glaring weakness they have is inexperience, which they are gaining in the playoffs. BTW, have you've chosen your new alt for next year?:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

difference between denver and the lower seeds was just the win/loss column seperating them, other then that they are all pretenders

[Dex]

You are cool and I like you but I don't think I've ever seen you say a negative thing about the team or Pop. A fanbase full of complacent/sunshine pumper fans isn't good for the organization.

I give criticism where criticism is due.

I've openly criticized the Mills and Gasol contracts (low hanging fruit, I know).

I've criticized Pop for overplaying guys like Neal, Anderson, Forbes, Beli, etc...especially on nights where it's apparent they don't have it and are obviously net negatives, or for trying to turn left when the whole league is going right in terms of three-point shooting.

I've criticized the coaching staff for its "experience over talent" mantra that keeps young talent like White and Walker stuck on the bench longer than they should be.

I've criticized Aldridge and DeRozan when they play soft and passive and constantly settle for turnaround fadeaway mid-range jumpers, a shot the defense will give them 10 times out of 10, or Gay who seems to have completely forgotten how to play basketball once these playoffs started.

There is a lot of blame to go around for the Spurs current predicament. But I also try to keep things in perspective. This is a team that was cobbled together on the fly after the Kawhi debacle, and things only got worse when Murray went down. Despite the talent of LaMarcus and DeMar, they are probably still lucky to even be in the playoffs, let alone pushing the 2-seed to six games.

Hell, we even looked like the better team for most of the first thirteen quarters (minus 4Q of Game 2)...and that may be the most frustrating part. But that's what the playoffs are about...teams make adjustments, series have ebbs and flows. If the Spurs come out and find a way to win Game 6 on their home floor, the pressure goes right back on Denver.

I may not personally agree with some of the things that PATFO and the Spurs do, but I also don't pretend like I know better than them. Their performance and pedigree speaks for itself.

[Brazil]

With that squad reaching the POs is already great... not sure why people are mad by the perspective of losing first round even if it is against freaking Denver.

White has been the motor of the Spurs the second half of the season, he is one of the main reason this serie ain't over yet. He carried game 1 and 3 had a solid game 2 tbh and struggled games 4 and 5.. dude is no ginobili, this is his second season not sure what people are expecting from him.

The rest of the roster is playing as one could have anticipated... rozan, lma, beli, mills... anyone surprised ? The only disappointment for me is Rudy... dude is lost this serie.

I'm not going to quit on this team with all the shit that happened (kiwi, injuries...) this year because of an eventual first round loss.

You guys are freaking nuts... what the fuck were you expecting ? that DeRozan transform himself in a clutch PO performer, that LMA grows balls, that freaking mills and beli shoot 50% from 3s on the road, that a 24 y/o second year player become consistent and deliver 20 pts at 50% every night ?

Serie ain't over, we will draw conclusions at the end but I certainly won't be disappointed if we can't go next round.

[spurraider21]

It's really this simple. Spurs aren't going to be a legit contender shooting 18 threes per game. They were last in three-point-attempts this season and first in attempts from 10-16 feet/16-21 feet (midrange). They're way behind trend, basically trying to play smashmouth football in an era of coddled QBs and pass happy offenses. It's not a talent issue, really, it's a systemic one. Chuck or die is the winning formula in :lol:lol:lol today's NBA.
its really astounding given how many roster spots he's devoted to guys whose only real value comes from 3 point shooting... mills/forbes/marco/bertans.

[timtonymanu]

OP's entire first post is on where he went wrong on the expectations of this year's team. A LaMarcus/Demar duo was always a low ceiling combo. Like others have said, we were honestly lucky to make the playoffs with how antiquated the system is, that Murray was out all year, and how bad the construction of the roster was. Part of that can go to Nephew, but it's also on the front office for making those moves, though with what was available out there and the fact that players don't want to play in San Antonio, options were limited. It was always gonna be a huge hurdle to make a big run. That's why I was part of the tanking crew all year but that didn't happen and here we are.

This team was always gonna finish in the lottery or a 1st round exit. Anything more was just wishful thinking.

I'm glad Spurs drew the Nuggets regardless because maybe this playoff loss will motivate the front office to make better moves. Had they beaten Denver and Portland and made the WCF to be swept by the Dubs, we knew Pop would have more than fine with staying the course and bringing back Murray to make another run. There's really no one that should be untouchable from the vets, all of them are expendable. Marco being the most obvious move.

[spurraider21]

This. Excluding Jokic, the Nugget's overall advantage in athleticism is alarming.
we can theoretically address that with murray/walker being in the rotation

[jjktkk]

we can theoretically address that with murray/walker being in the rotation

Agree. My only concern is will these two, along with D. White, be able to shoot well enough from 3 to coexist on the court together?

[spurraider21]

Agree. My only concern is will these two, along with D. White, be able to shoot well enough from 3 to coexist on the court together?
white and walker are both capable shooters. if white puts more emphasis on a quicker release this offseason, i think that should work out. the bigger concern is how murray/derozan will work together. its hard to envision

[RC_Drunkford]

I am just shocked at how when watching every other series, SA/DEN stands out BY FAR the most as a regular season type game. It’s just not the same level of effort and fight and intensity from SA. Not even close.

Forget whether you play well or not, there is no one with that clear burning competitive fire that I have seen and it’s jarring. Just an observation.

that's because this Team doesn't have Manu. We don't win 1 game against Golden State last year if not for Manu.

[itzsoweezee]

white and walker are both capable shooters. if white puts more emphasis on a quicker release this offseason, i think that should work out. the bigger concern is how murray/derozan will work together. its hard to envision
No they are not capable shooters. The problem with takes like these is that it demonstrates you are completely unfamiliar with the NBA outside of the Spurs. Try watching some other teams sometime. The Spurs' gimmick offense/lineup cannot compete against even moderately elite teams. It's why a guy like Tobias Harris is much, much more valuable in the modem NBA than a guy like DeRozan, even though DeRozan is the much more skilled player. Unfortunately, not all skills are equally valuable.

[spurraider21]

No they are not capable shooters. The problem with takes like these is that it demonstrates you are completely unfamiliar with the NBA outside of the Spurs. Try watching some other teams sometime. The Spurs' gimmick offense/lineup cannot compete against even moderately elite teams. It's why a guy like Tobias Harris is much, much more valuable in the modem NBA than a guy like DeRozan, even though DeRozan is the much more skilled player. Unfortunately, not all skills are equally valuable.
what does tobias/derozan have to do with white or walker being capable shooters?

[objective]

Walker has good shooting form, his only problem historically was taking bad shots

[itzsoweezee]

what does tobias/derozan have to do with white or walker being capable shooters?

It's just an example of what might be considered "capable" has shifted significantly the last 3 or 4 years

[DPG21920]

With that squad reaching the POs is already great... not sure why people are mad by the perspective of losing first round even if it is against freaking Denver.

White has been the motor of the Spurs the second half of the season, he is one of the main reason this serie ain't over yet. He carried game 1 and 3 had a solid game 2 tbh and struggled games 4 and 5.. dude is no ginobili, this is his second season not sure what people are expecting from him.

The rest of the roster is playing as one could have anticipated... rozan, lma, beli, mills... anyone surprised ? The only disappointment for me is Rudy... dude is lost this serie.

I'm not going to quit on this team with all the shit that happened (kiwi, injuries...) this year because of an eventual first round loss.

You guys are freaking nuts... what the fuck were you expecting ? that DeRozan transform himself in a clutch PO performer, that LMA grows balls, that freaking mills and beli shoot 50% from 3s on the road, that a 24 y/o second year player become consistent and deliver 20 pts at 50% every night ?

Serie ain't over, we will draw conclusions at the end but I certainly won't be disappointed if we can't go next round.

Accurate. But one thing; Its not like LMA and DeRozan have been bad. They have not dominated, but they have played well enough for the most part for SA to win games.

[Brazil]

Accurate. But one thing; Its not like LMA and DeRozan have been bad. They have not dominated, but they have played well enough for the most part for SA to win games.

I agree, they are playing the brand of basketball we could expect.. they rely on 40% mid range, does not shoot 3s, demar is showing playmaking abilities, lma rebounds the ball but is globally soft on defense and offense... they are having their numbers... again no surprises here. At the end those 2 cannot carry this Spurs roster in POs so far even against a solid opponent but far from being a powerhouse. This good enough is not enough to hide role players disappearing in POs per par.

[spurraider21]

It's just an example of what might be considered "capable" has shifted significantly the last 3 or 4 years
nobody ever called derozan a capable 3 point shooter

me: player A is a capable 3 point shooter
you: but Player C is a better shooter than player B!

[FkLA]

How is Murray a fraud?

He's real enough to be us, at least.

He's trash. Inefficient chucker that can't stop anyone on the other end.


The biggest flaw in your argument is thinking Denver is a weak pretender. The only glaring weakness they have is inexperience, which they are gaining in the playoffs. BTW, have you've chosen your new alt for next year?:lol

They're absolutely pretenders. They don't have a truly dominant superstar and honestly don't even have a second guy after Jokic that you could consider a star. Did you not watch how every time they had a big statement game in the regular season, be it against GS/HOU/etc, they always got obliterated? Spurs had them beat and Pop's arrogance let them off the hook, period.

[itzsoweezee]

nobody ever called derozan a capable 3 point shooter

me: player A is a capable 3 point shooter
you: but Player C is a better shooter than player B!

Again, I was showing how NBA standards have changed. There was a time when DeRozan was thought of as a better player than Harris. That time no longer exists.

There was a time where Walker and White would have been considered capable shooters. That time no longer exists.

This roster is obviously flawed and antiquated. Time to move on

[Coach X]

We all Spurs fans are spoiled. Too used to excellence, we struggle to accept being just good or above the average.

[jjktkk]

He's trash. Inefficient chucker that can't stop anyone on the other end.



They're absolutely pretenders. They don't have a truly dominant superstar and honestly don't even have a second guy after Jokic that you could consider a star. Did you not watch how every time they had a big statement game in the regular season, be it against GS/HOU/etc, they always got obliterated? Spurs had them beat and Pop's arrogance let them off the hook, period.

I actually have watched the Nuggets, in these playoffs evolve into a pretty good team. Barring injury, no one is going to knock off GS, but Houston's not a lock, giving CP3 being injury prone.

[TimDunkem]

Ok goodbye, i expect to not see a comment from you again this season since you quit

So for one more game?

[ZeusWillJudge]

With that squad reaching the POs is already great... not sure why people are mad by the perspective of losing first round even if it is against freaking Denver.


By that logic, a 35 win team could be a big success, if they were so bad we only expected 25 wins.

I think people are mad because the team had solid leads that they blew, and then they just didn't show up for a pivotal Game 5. I know I could deal with them losing, but not laying down. And like a lot of people, I blame those first two losses on Pop's refusal to put in players to stop the bleeding. They lost games that they SHOULD have won.

[Geoffsimons]

How is this on Pop? The players are on the court - they get it done or not. Pop hasn’t shot a three or a FT in a game not grabbed a rebound. He’s the coach. Has he had questionable rotations? Perhaps.

Its on tie the heart of the players to score and win. Defend hopefully.

[JeffDuncan]

How is this on Pop? ...

It's on Pop because he built this Spurs team exactly the way it is.

[hater]

I've stuck through so many heartbreakers and blowouts over the years but this is truly a disgusting display by the coach and "star" players.




LMA and DD are fucking losers. I've wanted to believe in them all year but they are what they are. They'll get coddled here though because we're a city that just got spurned by Nephew and that struggles to attract talent.

Pet wombat. Seems like an amazing guy. I genuinely do believe he brings a lot of positive energy to the locker room. He does try really hard and gives it his all on the court but he fucking sucks. Should've never been resigned much less to that contract.

Bellinelli. Seriously why was he signed? He was a complete liability in the playoffs in 2014. The team clearly needed defensive wings after losing two all-defense wings to TOR. He had a solid regular season (again) but has shown what he is in the playoffs (again).

Pop is full of himself. He's let the fact that he's the GOAT get to his head. His hockey subs, the arrogance to stick to shit rotations that obviously aren't working, not playing his supposed best players in critical moment/quarters, neutering his best player's minutes in the fucking playoffs because he's a "genius" that invented DNP-rest and he knows best. What other coach does this? Noone. Because noone else has the arrogance that comes with being the GOAT. It's not senility, it's arrogance. I've never thought this but maybe bringing in new blood might be for the best. Ideally, Pop remains president and younger, hungrier, less arrogant coach takes over.

Cherry on top--you have that instagram baller on the sideline laughing as if the team isn't down 30. Probably brainstormng his next instagram baller post..."This ain't happening next year! I got yall! 100 *tongue sticking out emoji*"

The recent loss in Denver was embarrassing especially with the way all our guys played


Gutless

[therealtruth]

Pop maybe the best out of getting role players to play above their pay grade but he's not that great at maximizing the talent of stars players like LMA/DDR.

[Kurgan]

Pop maybe the best out of getting role players to play above their pay grade but he's not that great at maximizing the talent of stars players like LMA/DDR.

There's nothing you can maximize there because they're both flawed, fake stars. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Those two have had too much bad habits instilled in them from playing for loser franchises. DDR in particular. He doesn't do anything at a star level. He's one-dimensional mid-range scorer that can't space the floor without a credible three point shot. His defense sucks. His playmaking is overrated compared to someone like Manu who knew how to make the players around him better. He's a fraud who's only considered a "star" because he spent his entire career playing for the talent-deprived Eastern Conference. First year he plays in the West and he can't sniff an all-star selection anymore.

[monty4329]

we can theoretically address that with murray/walker being in the rotation

Who drives the truck to clear away all those bricks from the court?

[monty4329]

There's nothing you can maximize there because they're both flawed, fake stars. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Those two have had too much bad habits instilled in them from playing for loser franchises. DDR in particular. He doesn't do anything at a star level. He's one-dimensional mid-range scorer that can't space the floor without a credible three point shot. His defense sucks. His playmaking is overrated compared to someone like Manu who knew how to make the players around him better. He's a fraud who's only considered a "star" because he spent his entire career playing for the talent-deprived Eastern Conference. First year he plays in the West and he can't sniff an all-star selection anymore.

All of that, plus he is obviously not very smart. if he can shoot 18ft fadeaways, what is preventing him shooting open shots from the 3pt line just a couple feet farther?

[monty4329]

I actually have watched the Nuggets, in these playoffs evolve into a pretty good team. Barring injury, no one is going to knock off GS, but Houston's not a lock, giving CP3 being injury prone.

If HOU beats GS, they'll run over DEN/POR in the WCF, no doubt in my mind. Actually DEN matches up horribly with HOU, they have nobody to guard Capela.

[midnightpulp]

Didn't have time to watch this game, and haven't looked at the stats yet, but saw Spurs won by 17. I take it we finally made more threes than them?

[Chucho]

Didn't have time to watch this game, and haven't looked at the stats yet, but saw Spurs won by 17. I take it we finally made more threes than them?

How would it be "finally" if we are up 3-2??

[playbonner15]

Didn't have time to watch this game, and haven't looked at the stats yet, but saw Spurs won by 17. I take it we finally made more threes than them?
Bench showed up and Gay finally had a good game

[rascal]

Quit next round because the Spurs will win this round. Denver is going to choke game 7.

[timvp]

Quit next round because the Spurs will win this round. Denver is going to choke game 7.

Woah, I've never seen rascal predict a Spurs win. Never in like 20 years of reading his posts.

Bad omen, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Woah, I've never seen rascal predict a Spurs win. Never in like 20 years of reading his posts.

Bad omen, tbh.

He's done it a few times in recent years as a reverse jinx IIRC:lol

[rascal]

Woah, I've never seen rascal predict a Spurs win. Never in like 20 years of reading his posts.

Bad omen, tbh.

I predicted tonight's win.

[Stabula]

:lol this bitch-made thread