ESPN on new deal for DDR?

[Rummpd]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26601437/next-moves-san-antonio-spurs-new-deal-demar-derozan


UGH

[sananspursfan21]

Not an insider tbh

[Genovaswitness]

should be a one way ticket out of town

[Rummpd]

The youth movement
The Spurs' No. 24 ranking league-wide in average roster age would indicate that this is an old team in need of an overhaul. But that ranking doesn't capture the fact that San Antonio returns eight players who have a mere 17 years of combined NBA experience. It also doesn't reflect the three additional draft picks on the way in June.

The Spurs' Surprising Youth
PLAYER/PICK AGE* YOS*
First-rounder (own) TBD 0
First-rounder (TOR) TBD 0
Second-rounder (own) TBD 0
Lonnie Walker IV 20 1
Chimezie Metu 22 1
Drew Eubanks 22 1
Dejounte Murray 23 3
Jakob Poeltl 24 3
Derrick White 25 2
Bryn Forbes 26 3
Davis Bertans 26 3
*Entering 2019 season
The concept of developing players is nothing new to the Spurs organization. The principles that were put in place in the late 1990s still exist for Derrick White, Murray, Bryn Forbes and Jakob Poeltl.

Charlotte Hornets head coach James Borrego, a former Spurs assistant, summarized it best in that piece above. "The reason we were able to sustain the success was these young, core pieces were able to develop at the right rate," he said. "And we had good players around them. Put that together with very good development coaches, and it was a wonderful formula to build these young guys. I think it was also a mixture of learning from great veterans, high-IQ basketball players. Put that together with the great development coaching that goes on there, and then the process there is probably the third layer.

"You're not thrust into an area where you're asked to do too much too early. You would ease your way into a role there in San Antonio, whether that's through the G League at times, whether that's through sitting on the bench, in practice. But you're able through all of that to watch great basketball, watch high-IQ basketball players taught by very good coaches. Then, when your time was called, all these guys seemed ready."

What the Spurs have mastered is having in place an infrastructure of young players ready to step into starting roles when veterans age or retire. That formula is why the product the Spurs put on the court is sustainable each season, and that should be no different in 2019-20.

The early free agency of DeMar DeRozan
The first order of business for the Spurs this offseason is to treat DeRozan like a free agent. DeRozan is under contract through the 2020-21 season, but he has a player option that could see him enter free agency a year early.

EDITOR'S PICKS

NBA draft Top 100 rankings: Best 2019 prospects
While some would say that DeRozan is unlikely to opt out of his $27.7 million contract in 2020-21, San Antonio has to take a proactive approach when it comes to an extension for these reasons: Will add in separate post

[Rummpd]

The early free agency of DeMar DeRozan
The first order of business for the Spurs this offseason is to treat DeRozan like a free agent. DeRozan is under contract through the 2020-21 season, but he has a player option that could see him enter free agency a year early.

EDITOR'S PICKS

NBA draft Top 100 rankings: Best 2019 prospects
While some would say that DeRozan is unlikely to opt out of his $27.7 million contract in 2020-21, San Antonio has to take a proactive approach when it comes to an extension for these reasons:

1. The free-agent class of 2020

Outside of Anthony Davis, who is likely to be moved in the offseason and re-sign with his new team, DeRozan and Draymond Green rank among the best available unrestricted free agents in 2020.

Unlike the 2019 class that is deep with All-Stars, the group of free agents in 2020 consist of players who signed lucrative contracts during the salary-cap spike of 2016 (Evan Turner and Bismack Biyombo) and veterans such as Kyle Lowry, Paul Millsap, Danilo Gallinari and Serge Ibaka who will see significant financial reductions on their new deals.

2. Cap space in 2020

Though the league now projects the cap to come in at $116 million, down $2 million from earlier projections, the summer of 2020 could have close to 20 teams with significant cap space. Even with a DeRozan extension, San Antonio would be one of the teams with close to max room.

It won't be quite the same as 2016, but next summer will see teams having more money to spend on a shallow crop of free agents.

3. The extension option

DeRozan benefits from the veteran extension rules being changed in the 2017 CBA, allowing teams to give a maximum salary increase of 120 percent. Under the 2011 CBA that number was 107.5 percent.

Starting on July 6, San Antonio can amend his contract and eliminate the player option in 2020-21. Doing so would see his cap hit increase from $27.7 million to $33.3 million for that season. How the Spurs structure the remaining years would depend on the comfort level in salary and years for a player who will turn 31 in the first year of an extension.

Here is what a four-year, $149.1 million extension would look like compared to what DeRozan could sign in free agency on a max deal with a new team.

Extension Vs. Max Deal With New Team
YEAR SPURS NEW TEAM AGE
2020-21 $33.3M $40.6M 31
2021-22 $35.9M $42.6M 32
2022-23 $38.6M $44.7M 33
2023-24 $41.3M $46.7M 34
Total $149.1 $174.6
This extension is equal to the max amount a free agent with 7-9 years of service could earn when signing with a team using cap space. This is not to say that the Spurs should offer DeRozan the maximum allowed in an extension, or that the guard would even receive that amount as a free agent if he opts out next summer. But it shows that the Spurs have an opportunity to lock up a strong lead guard in the prime of his career.

One thing to keep an eye on regarding an extension is that San Antonio has taken an aggressive approach not allowing its own veterans to hit free agency. We saw that in October 2017, when LaMarcus Aldridge received a two-year $50 million extension.

Summer cap breakdown
Spurs Projected Cap Sheet
PLAYER 2019-20 SALARY
1. DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975
2. LaMarcus Aldridge $26,000,000
3. Patty Mills $12,428,571
4. Davis Bertans $7,000,000
5. Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
6. Jakob Poeltl $3,754,886
7. Bryn Forbes $2,875,000
8. Lonnie Walker IV $2,760,480
9. Dejounte Murray $2,321,735
10. Derrick White $1,948,080
11. Chimezie Metu $1,416,852
12. Drew Eubanks Two Way
13. First-rounder (own) (free agent hold) $2,794,440
14. First-rounder (via TOR) (free agent hold) $1,947,960
15. Rudy Gay1 (free agent hold) $13,113,360
16. Dante Cunningham2 (free agent hold) $2,984,400
17. Quincy Pondexter2 (free agent hold) $1,618,486
18. Ben Moore3 (free agent hold) $1,443,842
Pau Gasol (waiver) $5,074,856
Total $123.1 million
Salary cap $109.0 million
1. Early Bird
2. Non-Bird
3. Restricted non-Bird
The buyout of Pau Gasol gave the Spurs some minor financial relief, but the team will still be operating right at the cap when July approaches.

Expect San Antonio to have the full $9.2 million midlevel exception available. The Spurs will also have early Bird rights on Rudy Gay to sign him and exceed the salary cap. The Spurs do not have the biannual exception.

Spurs Projected Depth Chart
PG SG SF PF C
D. White B. Forbes D. DeRozan L. Aldridge J. Poeltl
D. Murray P. Mills M. Belinelli D. Bertans D. Eubanks (2)
L. Walker IV C. Metu
2 = Two way
Resources available to build the roster

The draft (two first-round picks)

Cash to buy draft picks

Own free agents: Rudy Gay, Dante Cunningham and Quincy Pondexter

$9.2 midlevel exception

The return of Murray

Restrictions
Aldridge has a 15 percent trade bonus in his contract, currently valued at $7.5 million.

Here is how the bonus would be spread out if Aldridge were traded before or after July 1 (when the 2019-20 league year officially begins):

LaMarcus Aldridge Trade Bonus
SEASON BEFORE JULY 1 AFTER JULY 1
2018-19 $3.3M N/A
2019-20 $3.3M $5.8M
2020-21 $954K $1.7M
Extension candidates
When Murray steps onto the court for training camp in October, the guard will have just turned 23. He will also be one year removed from tearing his right ACL in a game against the Rockets. While the Spurs will proceed with caution, one thing the front office will need to take into consideration is a possible rookie extension.

Murray is eligible for a four-year extension with the Spurs, having until Oct. 21 to reach an agreement. (While the Spurs could offer a five-year extension, it would have to be for the max.) Poeltl also is eligible, though since he and Murray were drafted in 2016 they both will carry low cap holds if they get to 2020 free agency -- $6.9 million for Murray and $11.2 million for Poeltl.

Depending on what happens with DeRozan, San Antonio could have create least $30 million in room in 2020 by holding off on new deals for their young players. And the Spurs haven't been aggressive with rookie extensions in the past. Tony Parker is the lone first-round pick signed to a rookie extension under this front office.

Besides DeRozan, Patty Mills (Aug. 4) and Aldridge (Oct. 1) are eligible for veteran extensions.

The draft assets
The Spurs have proved that there is value outside of the lottery. Of the players on the roster drafted by the Spurs, none was selected in the top 14.

Now with three selections in June, including two in the first round, the player development program in San Antonio will once again have a significant opportunity.

Here's how ESPN's Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz have San Antonio picking in June:

No. 19 (own): Talen Horton-Tucker | G/F | Iowa State

No. 29 (via Toronto): KZ Okpala | F | Stanford

No. 49 (own): Tremont Waters | PG | LSU

[sananspursfan21]

Resign Cunningham at ALL COSTS RC

[CGD]

I do wonder what LMA’s trade value is.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Great thread

I liked the part where Borrego talked about how our guys slowly gets players acclimated according to how comfortable the players get into their roles.

It's going to be interesting what they do with Demar

[duncan2k5]

Trade or let DDR go, trade LMA at all costs

[RC_Drunkford]

Ok so if DeMar is an expiring by the end of the year, maybe they'll trade him? I expect a 5 year max deal, cause that's how retarded this front office has been recently, but maybe they'll come to their senses

[CGD]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picks

[Dejounte]

Wait so if we extend him this summer his cap hit will be worse for the next four years than if we negotiated with him after his contract ends? Am i reading this correctly?

[Trainwreck2100]

Ok so if DeMar is an expiring by the end of the year, maybe they'll trade him? I expect a 5 year max deal, cause that's how retarded this front office has been recently, but maybe they'll come to their senses

He's not expiring he has a player option of 28 million

[Leetonidas]

Get rid of Derozan and Aldridge. Imagine how much better we'd be with that 60 million being used on useful players

[ca®lo]

No pls

[Blackhaus]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picks

jesus this dumb shit again?

[dbestpro]

No one, except maybe the Spurs will offer DDR 20 mil, per year or more, again.

[Blackhaus]

Not true at all, he can get 20 on the open market

[TimDunkem]

Get rid of Derozan and Aldridge. Imagine how much better we'd be with that 60 million being used on useful players

Culture tho'. It "wouldn't be fair" to those guys. Trades are just not the Spurs way. :pop: :drunk

[TimDunkem]

No one, except maybe the Spurs will offer DDR 20 mil, per year or more, again.

And the ONLY reason will be because "he's a good guy" and "played his butt off for us" (although he would have never chose to come here on his own).

[FkLA]

From the Big 3, to Nephew, to this guy. What a fall from grace.

Just like Wombat, we all know he's not going anywhere. Unless he himself states that he wants out, Pop will coddle him and allow him to keep pretending he's a star.

[Nathan89]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picks

Leonard wasn't joining a garbage team. Ad would just leave the Spurs.

[Nathan89]

I would be surprised if the idiots extend him. They feel obligated to the main asset from their trade blunder.

[K...]

From the Big 3, to Nephew, to this guy. What a fall from grace.

Just like Wombat, we all know he's not going anywhere. Unless he himself states that he wants out, Pop will coddle him and allow him to keep pretending he's a star.

what did you think was going to happen? we'd draft 5 kawhi's in a row

[phxspurfan]

DeMar may get an extension, or the FO May not if Pop shows any inkling of retiring.

[Jordan Jackson]

I have PTSD from the Gasol/Mills signings. Zero confidence in this front office signings right now.

It would not shock me to see DeRozan and Mills get extensions because they are nice guys/loyalty etc.

[BackHome]

I can live with LMA but can’t stand DEROZZ he is anti Spur just not a good fit for our team just either trade him or just let him walk when contract is up.

[kaji157]

This roster deserves another run, we are clearly not happy with the performance, but enduring one year of the kawhi shit, plus a half-roster renewal, losing Manu and Tony, DJ's injury, plus a roster not greatly assembled.
Another year would be fine by myself considering you don't have to give away a pick to tease Mills, DeRozan becomes more tradeable and the roster gets set better.
It will be a real chance to see what they can do. If they fail again, I'm all about rebuilding.

[John B]

Beg Leonard to come back. That’s all it takes.

[ceperez]

If the Spurs can keep reaching the playoffs with this pathetic lineup, then likely they aren't going to make changes for the big 3 (Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay).

I expect though that DeRozan gets better with the one year experience he has with the Spurs.

Gay is still a walking time bomb in terms of his health.

Aldridge for $20m is a relative bargain.

[monty4329]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picks

If we were aiming at the Finals (and more), like Toronto.
Otherwise it probably doesn't make much sense to lose White and picks to have basically the same season. And then lose AD anyway to the Fakers. The risk is too big.

[monty4329]

I can live with LMA but can’t stand DEROZZ he is anti Spur just not a good fit for our team just either trade him or just let him walk when contract is up.

This

[tholdren]

This roster deserves another run, we are clearly not happy with the performance, but enduring one year of the kawhi shit, plus a half-roster renewal, losing Manu and Tony, DJ's injury, plus a roster not greatly assembled.
Another year would be fine by myself considering you don't have to give away a pick to tease Mills, DeRozan becomes more tradeable and the roster gets set better.
It will be a real chance to see what they can do. If they fail again, I'm all about rebuilding.

Pop said as much during his post game. He thought they did well for never playing a minute together before this yr.

Love pop, but the ignorance and inconsistency of this team due to ignorance was his issue. Sad ending to a strange year, not really sure if this team even improved

[tenbeersbold]

Farkin' 12 mill for Patty...just can't wrap my head around that deal,no way,no how...
Pop must wanna set the record for salary paid to an aboriginal

[tbdog]

No issues with DD. He played well considering the team wasn't built for him. Spurs will off the same deal as LMA got. $72m over 3 starting after next season. Will save $5mil on first year.

[cjw]

This roster deserves another run, we are clearly not happy with the performance, but enduring one year of the kawhi shit, plus a half-roster renewal, losing Manu and Tony, DJ's injury, plus a roster not greatly assembled.
Another year would be fine by myself considering you don't have to give away a pick to tease Mills, DeRozan becomes more tradeable and the roster gets set better.
It will be a real chance to see what they can do. If they fail again, I'm all about rebuilding.

I’m okay with that too. Let DDR and LMA play it out, and resign Gay to a one year deal (don’t care about how much, as it doesn’t impact cap as they’ll be over anyway, and no long term money). Move out Mills or Beli and get back whatever you can that fits the roster better. If Forbes or Bertans brings back more value then trade one of them instead.

While they got forced into a Kawhi trade, in retrospect botched the MLE considering they were losing him AND Green and used it on a non-defensive guy. Makes no sense to bring in Beli knowing that’s the likely outcome.

Or maybe only Beli worked because they wanted to save some MLE for Cunningham (what a bust) and needed some for Metu (four year deal is awesome value).

Not like there was anyone great available for the MLE: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/ ... Fathead was the type of player getting it.

[Spurtacular]

Yea, the Spurs f'd up by trading Kawhi. That's history now.

All the DeRozan haters don't have a better alternative though, tbh.

[lmbebo]

I dunno. Not like we got anyone to replace DDR. He's still a 20/5/5 kind of player who can't/won't shoot a 3. Clashes a bit with LMA in terms of spacing.

Right price, bring him back. Hopefully they can build a better more rounded roster going forward.

I think back court is over saturated. Murray/White/Forbes/Bellini/Mills/DDR, I can see them going 3 guards in the future with DDR at the 3, although I think he's too slight at that position.

Need to find someone who can fill that 3/4 position better. Gay is best coming off bench.

[Genovaswitness]

This roster deserves another run, we are clearly not happy with the performance, but enduring one year of the kawhi shit, plus a half-roster renewal, losing Manu and Tony, DJ's injury, plus a roster not greatly assembled.
Another year would be fine by myself considering you don't have to give away a pick to tease Mills, DeRozan becomes more tradeable and the roster gets set better.
It will be a real chance to see what they can do. If they fail again, I'm all about rebuilding.

this roster deserves to get rebuilt in every way. nothing was done well this year. shit team with shit draft picks

[TDMVPDPOY]

get rid of half the team, like wat they did during the last 3yrs

lma proven weak minded kent who only cares about his offensive touches
ddr is a choke artists
gay is over the hill bum
mills is chucking midget no defense
these 4 idiots need to go

[gambit1990]

extending demar would be DISASTROUS. spurs will languish in purgatory until he's off the books.

[KDKSpurs24]

If we plan to keep Demar long term he better turn into a willing 3 point shooter

[Dejounte]

I think people forget last year where we could only count on one player (LMA) for 20 pts a game. Letting go of DeMar would take us a step back. There are no other alternatives to give us our 2nd 20 ppg scorer. I say bring him back, but at a cost lower than a typical max contract. We need to get better role players if we look to improve. We already have Dejounte and D White, and possibly Lonnie to give us a third all star potential. Just get rid of Marco, Mills, and Forbes. Please. This is how we improve. And also draft a defensive stud at SF.

[gambit1990]

TOR already tried living and dying by DDR. look where that got them.

[alpha_HaZE]

To me it is pretty obvious that one of DDR and LMA got to go and I 'd rather keep DDR. We need a big like Al Horford, that can defend, pass, play in the post, and shoot the three. LMA does only two out of those four. DeMar, in comparison, does three out of four that we need a guard to do; Defend, Pass, and create for others. And before you get on me on DeMar's defense, he and LMA had identical Defensive win shares. Also, he is on his prime.

So, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a new deal. Especially, if that means we keep Rudy for cheap.

[tmtcsc]

Beg Leonard to come back. That’s all it takes.

I'm beginning to think the same thing. That muthafucka can play. SMH, why did shit have to go wrong ?

[tmtcsc]

Murray isn't going to save this sorry-ass team from being so poor defensively. DEFENSE needs to be addressed in the off-season.

[offset formation]

Trade or let DDR go, trade LMA at all costs

:rollin:lmao:rollin:lmao

[offset formation]

To me it is pretty obvious that one of DDR and LMA got to go and I 'd rather keep DDR. We need a big like Al Horford, that can defend, pass, play in the post, and shoot the three. LMA does only two out of those four. DeMar, in comparison, does three out of four that we need a guard to do; Defend, Pass, and create for others. And before you get on me on DeMar's defense, he and LMA had identical Defensive win shares. Also, he is on his prime.

So, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a new deal. Especially, if that means we keep Rudy for cheap.

:lmao

What have you guys been smoking??

[EricB]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picks


Thank fucking god none of you run or even talk to the front office.

[Kurgan]

Extending Demar would be a franchise killer. His athleticism looks like it's already on the decline.

[TheGoatishere]

Seriously did pop tell DDR to stop shooting threes? He was shooting them last year in Toronto

[Kurgan]

Seriously did pop tell DDR to stop shooting threes? He was shooting them last year in Toronto

From reddit:

He just has a different shot type when he's taking a 3 vs hitting a long 2 off the bounce, he's always been a better shooter on the bounce than in a set position.

Pop and the Spurs assistants probably noticed this and told him to stop shooting threes in order to keep consistency with his shooting form.

[wildbill2u]

I wonder how far up in the draft we could get for DDR plus one of our 1st round picks? If we could get a lottery pick would the value be there even if we drew #8?

[spurraider21]

derozan is under contract for next year and has a 27 mil player option for 2020.

knowing the spurs MO, he will decline the 27 mil option and instead sign a 4 year deal for 25 mil per

[itzsoweezee]

Yea, the Spurs f'd up by trading Kawhi. That's history now.

All the DeRozan haters don't have a better alternative though, tbh.

The Spurs would be better off even if they don't replace DeRozan. He is a net negative player, always has been

[Spurtacular]

The Spurs would be better off even if they don't replace DeRozan. He is a net negative player, always has been

Nonsense. In the second half LMA and DDR were balling. Station to station players like Forbes and Bertans are not going to pick up the slack.

[itzsoweezee]

Nonsense. In the second half LMA and DDR were balling. Station to station players like Forbes and Bertans are not going to pick up the slack.

Too bad the game was 48 minutes. the role players the Spurs could get with DeRozan's outrageous salary would be a huge improvement over that dude. See, eg, the clippers.

A career with a negative net impact, season after season. The numbers don't lie, his teams are better when he's on the bench.

[Spurtacular]

Too bad the game was 48 minutes. the role players the Spurs could get with DeRozan's outrageous salary would be a huge improvement over that dude. See, eg, the clippers.

A career with a negative net impact, season after season. The numbers don't lie, his teams are better when he's on the bench.

Doesn't matter. The stiffs ain't gonna pick up the slack of the ballers in today's NBA in the playoffs. Don't internalize all this stupid schtick of ST'ers. It'll make you stupid.

[Mugen]

derozan is under contract for next year and has a 27 mil player option for 2020.

knowing the spurs MO, he will decline the 27 mil option and instead sign a 4 year deal for 25 mil per

Honestly, he goes to one of Fatty's coffee gang dates, and that number goes up to 4 years at 30mil per

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

It's going to suck being a Spurs fan for several years. Pop might as well retire if the FO is settling for mediocrity

[Frenchfred]

He is much better than Forbes defensively so the team should be better in that respect

[Big Empty]

We need a solid creating SF and a 7’1 Center this draft

[duncan2k5]

No issues with DD. He played well considering the team wasn't built for him. Spurs will off the same deal as LMA got. $72m over 3 starting after next season. Will save $5mil on first year.

He was pathetic in the east on a team that WAS built for him

[RC_Drunkford]

Seriously did pop tell DDR to stop shooting threes? He was shooting them last year in Toronto

wouldn't be the first time that Pop is holding a player back. LA was shooting them in Portland too and stopped when he came here. I assume 31% ain't good enough for Pop and he told DeRozan to focus on his strengths

[SpursDynasty85]

He was pathetic in the east on a team that WAS built for him

How was that team built for him? Toronto built based on talent, length, athleticism, and skill. Where were the great veteran shooters that Lebron always got? Derozan needs shooters around him.

[SupremeGuy]

LMA + White + two 1sts
For one year to sell AD

Same formula as Leonard trade: established star + young prospect + picksGoddamn nigga this bait is gonna catch.