Woj: Pop Expected to Sign 3-Year Deal

[BatManu20]

Return of the Mack.

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[BatManu20]

Get in here Mugen :lol

[JeffDuncan]

The coach who dies with the most wins..... wins.

[UZER]

Pop clearly hasn’t checked his white privilege.

[BatManu20]

Could still see Pop hanging em up after a year or 2 though tbh. Especially if this gets bounced in the 1st again next season.

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[RD2191]

Official Pop resigns thread.

[BatManu20]

Oh didn’t see MoSpur02 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11593) had already created a thread. Sorry brah

[horseshue]

Mad respect for this man. Hope he makes One more deep play-off run.

[Trill Clinton]

Good. The goat is back.

[benefactor]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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[gambit1990]

Could still see Pop hanging em up after a year or 2 though tbh. Especially if this gets bounced in the 1st again next season.

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“spurs ownership believes he’s entitled to manage his future as he wishes.” :lol that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank fucking check.

[Robz4000]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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Hello darkness my old friend...

[cd021]

3 years on top of next season? No way he coaches more than 2 more years tbh.

[exstatic]

3 years on top of next season? No way he coaches more than 2 more years tbh.

He wasn't under contract for next season, and it's the same as before: He has the option to walk away each summer.

[Play Boban]

The only way Pop is not the Spurs coach is when he gets carried out or the SBC Center in a casket.

And yeah yeah I know it's the AT&T Center, I'm just an OG Spurs fan and not a recent bandwagoner like most of the forum.

[Dre_7]

“spurs ownership believes he’s entitled to manage his future as he wishes.” :lol that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank fucking check.

The San Antonio Spurs would be the Seattle Super Sonics today if it weren't for Pop so he can do whatever the fuck he wants. There is no one better than him available right now anyways.

[DJR210]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yay more Marco bellinelli and patty mills! Gsg!

[SpurPadre]

I want him to beat that punk bitch Phil Jackson's win record.

[slick'81]

The goat can do whatever the fck he wants

[exstatic]

I want him to beat that punk bitch Phil Jackson's win record.

He already has more regular season, and combined wins, but he's 50 behind in the post season list, and will never catch him there.

He also holds the single team wins record. If he gets 91 wins in the next two regular seasons, he'll hold the all time regular season wins record.

If you go to bbref and check the coaching list, you'll see how amazing his record is. Kerr, who's Warriors have been SO dominant, is over 100 post season victories behind Pop. His teams could win two rounds of the playoffs, with a quick conference finals exit (0 or 1 win), for the next 10 years, and he would barely be closer than 20 wins behind.

[NASpurs]

Another shitty loyalty contract

[BillMc]

Good. The goat is back.

Exactly. Best news we could have.

[Trainwreck2100]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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[r0drig0lac]

good

[GreekSpursfan]

Very good

[DPG21920]

Fantastic news; hopefully over the next 2 years, Pop and Co put SA in a great spot moving forward

[Harry Callahan]

This is a sign that Pop is not happy with the where the team is today and he wants to build this thing some more before he kicks himself upstairs as an executive only.

More fine meals to buy as well.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I guess it's like Tim's last season or two. I'd rather have a younger version, but it's still better that he's back.

There are a bunch of signs (to me) that he's not what he was, but the easiest to point to is probably the team's performance out of timeouts, and their late game clock management. That's not just about the playoffs, I commented on it all season. I don't know if it's still possible to get modern NBA players to play with the commitment and precision of the old Spurs teams, but that's what a GOAT needs to do.

Still, they could do worse. The team's biggest problem isnt Pop, it's personnel and salary cap. Now that we know he's going to be here, I'll wait to see what he can do about that. But I don't want to hear any excuses about how he can't do anything about past player/salary mistakes. Those mistakes are all on him. Maybe not the whole Kawhi debacle, but Pau, Patty, and choosing DeRozan's contract over some other packages.

[apalisoc_9]

More patty thrills?

Hope he resignd patty in 2022. The Lols that will go with it :lol

[MultiTroll]

:cheer3 more years of Pop n Patty:cheer

[RC_Drunkford]

More patty thrills?

Hope he resignd patty in 2022. The Lols that will go with it :lol

will he offer him the supermax is the question

[jjktkk]

Outstanding news!

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Another shitty loyalty contract

[Kool Bob Love]

Good. The goat is back.

House nigga. Ol Samuel L Jackson in Django In lookin ass.

[apalisoc_9]

This site will die once pop retires. Not enough material to keep it alive :lol

Good new for Spurstalk owners

[Dverde]

He has to let Pringles beat him in a series before he hangs them up.

[baseline bum]

That's awesome to hear Pop probably wants to coach another three years. I was already resigned to him leaving after the Olympics. I can't imagine anyone pining for the days of Cotton Fitzsimmons, Jerry Tarkanian, John Lucas, Bob Hill, and so on like so many here seem to be wanting. Pop getting 48 wins out of this roster in this conference with his second best player in street clothes was a hell of an accomplishment. Losing Dejounte for the season after he had developed a jumpshot was just a crushing gut punch and I saw this as a 38 win team with seemingly all our defensive talent either in Toronto or injury rehab. I would have thought you were fucking nuts if you told me this team would win 48 after the ACL tear.

[Kool Bob Love]

Pop lied.
https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/status/1123352610340106240?s=21

https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/spurs-coach-popovich-ill-retire-when-duncan-does-042713

[phxspurfan]

its a one year deal with 2 player (coach) options tbh.

[phxspurfan]

next order of business is to fucking revamp the roster, plz

[Bellboy]

pop:” Get over it Bitches, I’m coaching till I become the Wine Czar in the Biden Administration.”

[R. DeMurre]

Sommeliers, bar managers, and waiters all over the country will be happy about this.

[therealtruth]

Accountability is dead.

[SpursforSix]

Insert drink spitting emoji

[ducks]

He could shoot the President and spurs front office would not fire his sorry coaching
He was good tell 2016

[spurs50_]

Three more yrs of "we played soft"....

[SASdynasty!]

Sorry Becky

[baseline bum]

He was good tell 2016

Spurstalk's right wing in a nutshell

[Dennis the Menace]

“spurs ownership believes he’s entitled to manage his future as he wishes.” :lol that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank fucking check.

Hellooooo 1st round exits and drafting in the 13 - 18 range

[Kurgan]

The alternatives(Bill Self, Becky, Messina, Udoka) were terrible so I'm satisfied with this. Keep Pop coaching a few more years till someone like Bud becomes available.

Becky's probably fuming...gonna have to wait a few more years. Messina,tired of waiting, will probably take the first NBA job that's offered to him this summer.

[sananspursfan21]

But, but popsuckers :cry

Glad to hear of it. People think he’s the problem but the minute he’s gone, we could be starting a hamster wheel where it’s a new coach every two years and the 15th overall pick year after year.

[timtonymanu]

Not gonna lie I read Pop as "Pau" and almost dieded. But good news. I still want Pop to hang it up if he wants to continue treating Patty Mills like he's the Big 3, but after seeing tragic Messina, I know we're really fucked at the coaching spot when Pop leaves.

[Chinook]

Some people here are just dumb as shit. You don't fire a legendary coach after taking his team to 48 wins despite it being a transition year. Most of these same people think the roster sucks right now. What did you expect a coach to do with it then? And I know "B-but, he didn't make the adjustments I wanted him to in the post-season." A lot of people didn't even think this team could make the post-season, let alone barely lose in seven games to the second-seed.

[UnWantedTheory]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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[JeffDuncan]

... You don't fire a legendary coach after taking his team to 48 wins despite it being a transition year. ...

A transition year? Transition to what? What are you talking about?

There's no "transition" when things stay the same. What significant change do you foresee?

Serious question.

[EricB]

“spurs ownership believes he’s entitled to manage his future as he wishes.” :lol that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank fucking check.


Ywah how weird that the greatest coach in NBA history has that level of autonomy. How fucking nuts. Idiots.

[UnWantedTheory]

A transition year? Transition to what? What are you talking about?

There's no "transition" when things stay the same. What significant change do you foresee?

Serious question.
How was this not a transition season? No Kawhi, Manu, TP, Green, or Murray. The arrival of DDR & Poeltl. Dumping Pau along with White and Forbes having significant roles on the team.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Accountability is dead.

[gambit1990]

Ywah how weird that the greatest coach in NBA history has that level of autonomy. How fucking nuts. Idiots.
pop is HC and president of basketball operations. name another business where the owners are okay with the top man having total control and say he can leave when he wants. i'll wait.

i want accountability and mentioned it in my post. you don't apparently. enjoy getting nowhere in the POs next season dumbass.

[gambit1990]

oh, and i said this roster was dead on arrival before the season even started too.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hellooooo 1st round exits and drafting in the 13 - 18 range

[TheGreatYacht]

Lots of ######s in here acting like calling post ups for Duncan from 1998-2010 was hard stuff :lol

Hopefully Budenholzer is available by the time this trashcan calls it quits

[JeffDuncan]

How was this not a transition season? No Kawhi, Manu, TP, Green, or Murray. The arrival of DDR & Poeltl. Dumping Pau along with White and Forbes having significant roles on the team.

Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the title.

[UnWantedTheory]

Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the title.You are being intentionally difficult as you knew exactly what he meant. The game plan had to change after Kawhi, so it led to having a much different team, with slightly better results.

[MannyIsGod]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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[Philthemage]

You are being intentionally difficult as you knew exactly what he meant. The game plan had to change after Kawhi, so it led to having a much different team, with slightly better results.

Definitely an improvement given the circumstances of Kawhi leaving and we are still rebuilding. I don't understand the expectations of these posters. If not Pop are they thinking there's someone who can come in and being us a title overnight?

Yeah Pop fucked up with the Ray Allen 3 in 2013. Adjustments were made and we came back stronger in 2014 to win it. That's accountability to me.

Buncha whiners with no solutions.

[jsandiego]

Accountability isn't going to change DeRozan from trying to close games as a predictable mid-range fade-away shooter. Accountability isn't going to turn Aldridge into Duncan, or even Dirk in 2011.

We have two mid-level all-stars who can sometimes elevate their game, but never consistently, and become predictable in end-game situations. We won 48 games and pushed Denver to 7 games. Our starting point guard was out all season. Are you expecting us to compete with the Warriors with these limitations?

[rjv]

This site will die once pop retires. Not enough material to keep it alive :lol

Good new for Spurstalk owners

this site died along time ago, tbh. but yes, without pop and R.C. the political forum would be the only place still clamoring.

[rjv]

Some people here are just dumb as shit. You don't fire a legendary coach after taking his team to 48 wins despite it being a transition year. Most of these same people think the roster sucks right now. What did you expect a coach to do with it then? And I know "B-but, he didn't make the adjustments I wanted him to in the post-season." A lot of people didn't even think this team could make the post-season, let alone barely lose in seven games to the second-seed. :bobo

[DPG21920]

I don’t know if it’s fair to call it an adjustment year but the point remains. When you trade for an all star like DeRozan you do so specifically so it’s not an adjustment year. Would be odd to make the playoffs without Kawhi then thinking adding DeRozan wouldn’t significantly improve those chances.

[Dennis the Menace]

Some people here are just dumb as shit. You don't fire a legendary coach after taking his team to 48 wins despite it being a transition year. Most of these same people think the roster sucks right now. What did you expect a coach to do with it then? And I know "B-but, he didn't make the adjustments I wanted him to in the post-season." A lot of people didn't even think this team could make the post-season, let alone barely lose in seven games to the second-seed.

Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.

[phxspurfan]

Lol people in here acting like the coach is accountable for a roster that wouldn’t get out of the G league playoffs

[Mugen]

Pop did a great job of coaching up the shitty roster that he put together :lol

[Chinook]

Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.

The supporting cast would be fine. Last year, people complained about having two many defense-oriented players and not enough shooters. This year, they got the shooters, and people are complaining about defenders. Most teams would not have made the playoffs in the Spurs' situation the last two years. White/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Poeltl with Murray, Mills/Forbes, Gay and Bertans on the bench would have been fantastic. Thinking that the ninth and tenth men are supposed to be great is spoiled as shit and only can happen in a world of near collusion the team had when the Big Three constantly took below-market deals. This doesn't take into account that the Spurs supposedly had a deal on the table for a third star. Likely, it would have been Walker or DeRozan. So having three All-NBA talents would already be a feat despite the rest of the roster.

The "System" isn't too two-point centric. The main scorers do that too much. If Kawhi wouldn't change that, then it's not really a problem. Everyone else on the team besides DMDR, LMA and Gay shoot mostly threes or layups. It's so weird to complain about Beli, Mills, Forbes and Bertans while also saying the team needs more three-point shooters. You seem to really be complaining about the team keeping Aldridge instead of trading him away for a Ryan Anderson. They wouldn't have made the playoffs either of the last two years had they done that, so I'm not going to really dignify that.

[r0drig0lac]

Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.

[rjv]

Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.


every one wants to follow the laws of analytics as if the three point line is the magical panacea. three point shooters are necessary but still not as important as getting high percentage shots and free-throws. pop is (re)building a team through the draft, development, affordable veterans and patience, all while keeping the team in the playoffs. i'd rather have this formula than the houston model anyday.

[Dennis the Menace]

every one wants to follow the laws of analytics as if the three point line is the magical panacea. three point shooters are necessary but still not as important as getting high percentage shots and free-throws. pop is (re)building a team through the draft, development, affordable veterans and patience, all while keeping the team in the playoffs. i'd rather have this formula than the houston model anyday.

Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??

You fucked up into a situation with no defense supporting cast, which is all offense supporting cast yet field a system with the least 3 pointers taken.

It’s absolutely comical at the travesty. There’s no spinning it. It’s a flawed roster for a flawed system. All problems either controlled or could be cured by Pop since he’s the king of this show.

[monty4329]

The alternatives(Bill Self, Becky, Messina, Udoka) were terrible so I'm satisfied with this. Keep Pop coaching a few more years till someone like Bud becomes available.

Becky's probably fuming...gonna have to wait a few more years. Messina,tired of waiting, will probably take the first NBA job that's offered to him this summer.

I hope Hammond will find a taker and go play her PR role somewhere else, I am getting tired of the gender hype.
Messina seems to be more than happy where he is, makes millions with zero stress and zero chances to lose the job -wherever he would go as a HC in the NBA he would not last 20 games, no player would respect him as a non-american coach.
Ime might have his opportunity but if Becky goes he will be content with his position, I suppose.

[JeffDuncan]

You are being intentionally difficult ...

No, that's you, running away from the subject. But I don't blame you, since you don't have anything to say.

[monty4329]

pop is HC and president of basketball operations. name another business where the owners are okay with the top man having total control and say he can leave when he wants. i'll wait.

i want accountability and mentioned it in my post. you don't apparently. enjoy getting nowhere in the POs next season dumbass.

Basically every extremely successful business where the CEO+COO has held the position for 23 years. You don't know much about corporate life, do you?

[JeffDuncan]

Lol people in here acting like the coach is accountable for a roster that wouldn’t get out of the G league playoffs

Pop is the President of Spurs Basketball, in addition to the head coach. He is not just the coach. He has the final word on the roster, and on anything to do with the basketball team.

The fact is, yes, he has responsibility for that roster.

[phxspurfan]

Pop is the President of Spurs Basketball, in addition to the head coach. He is not just the coach. He has the final word on the roster, and on anything to do with the basketball team.

The fact is, yes, he has responsibility for that roster.

Without Pop coaching this team wouldn't have even made the playoffs this year. They were about 2-4 wins from being out entirely.

[rjv]

Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??

You fucked up into a situation with no defense supporting cast, which is all offense supporting cast yet field a system with the least 3 pointers taken.

It’s absolutely comical at the travesty. There’s no spinning it. It’s a flawed roster for a flawed system. All problems either controlled or could be cured by Pop since he’s the king of this show.

patty is a mistake and belli was never meant to get so many minutes but that changed when murray went down. i would be shocked if the spurs didn't go after a shooter or two this summer. this was never going to be the year for SA, even with leonard. by the houston model, i meant the model in which we go after a chris paul because it's what a team is supposed to do. how has that worked out for houston? the teams that are at the top now are some of the same team who probably had similar fans bitching about the lack of a roster or system just a few seasons ago (boston, philly, portland and denver). milwaukee got lucky with the freak. golden state was a result of building through the draft and being the winner of the KA sweepstakes. the spurs have ended a run that would have put most teams back into the lottery and yet they are a team that could be a top 4 seed next season or out of the playoffs depending on what changes are made and who develops. arguments against that, at this point, are dependent upon a static dynamic.

[JeffDuncan]

Without Pop coaching this team wouldn't have even made the playoffs this year. They were about 2-4 wins from being out entirely.

Sure, but the subject was the roster.

[Seventyniner]

Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??

This doesn't make sense. Who is it that you want shooting more 3s? DDR and Aldridge are not great at them, and the designated shooters already took mostly 3s: Bertans had a 0.746 3PAr (that is, 74.6% of his shots were 3s), with Mills at 0.609, Beli at 0.572, and Forbes at 0.522.

Pop managed to squeeze a #7 overall offense out of a roster whose best players are not good three-point shooters. I guess that isn't good enough for you, but I find it impressive.

[Seventyniner]

Sure, but the subject was the roster.

Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team before the Number Two trade, as if they could patch things up and keep him and Danny around. The roster would have been perfectly fine without the trade. Blaming PATFO for the trade is fair game, but putting all the focus on the free agency period is not appropriate imo. I can't think of one team that wouldn't be completely discombobulated by trading its best player after nearly all the important free agents have already signed their contracts.

[Spurtacular]

Could still see Pop hanging em up after a year or 2 though tbh. Especially if this gets bounced in the 1st again next season.

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I see him finishing out his contract. What else is he supposed to do with his life?

[JeffDuncan]

Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team ...

Period.

Pop is responsible for the Spurs 2018-19 roster. The point of contention was simply that.

Pop the President made the roster, then Pop the coach had to lead it. Pop the coach did surprisingly well with that roster, but Pop the president suked for building a roster like that in the first place.

[John B]

Best news for Spurs fans. Admit it, he could be the deciding factor whether a big talent would like to sign with Spurs or not, on top of being still the best coach out there

[Harry Callahan]

There was an ESPN survey saying 30-40% of NBA players would like to play for POP is they could. I think this is group think without actually having to make a move. I suspect a good number of those 30-40% would pass when it came to actually making a decision. Pop is going to be demanding and the current generation of players want to have their cake and eat it too! Working on D and rebounding may not be a higher priority for them.

[John B]

I hope Hammond will find a taker and go play her PR role somewhere else, I am getting tired of the gender hype.
Messina seems to be more than happy where he is, makes millions with zero stress and zero chances to lose the job -wherever he would go as a HC in the NBA he would not last 20 games, no player would respect him as a non-american coach.
Ime might have his opportunity but if Becky goes he will be content with his position, I suppose.
Hammond it is. Just the way Pop is conscientious of equality, rights, advancements. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hammond becomes his heir apparent

[Truth4sale$]

1 coach, 5 champions, playoffs every year. Ask the knicks if they would take that situation?
Some fans are idiots not recognizing the greatnest of coach Pop, he will oversee the development of Lonnie Walker, White and Murray to a All-star in 2 years.

[Spurs Homer]

Great. I am looking forward to Pop's views when Trump gets indicted on January 21, 2021.

[JeffDuncan]

Great. I am looking forward to Pop's views when Trump gets indicted on January 21, 2021.

Oh, just give us your best Heil Hitlary and take it to the political forum.

[Seventyniner]

Period.

Pop is responsible for the Spurs 2018-19 roster. The point of contention was simply that.

I agree, but Number Two forcing his way out is a hell of a mitigating circumstance. I think Pop (the president) did the best he could with what he had, while you're just judging on results, imo expecting the impossible.

[UnWantedTheory]

No, that's you, running away from the subject. But I don't blame you, since you don't have anything to say.
I'm not running away from anything. I just said what I had to say. You were being intentionally difficult, and knew exactly what was meant, yet felt the need to bitch. That's all there is. Should we argue and repeat what we already said a few more times?

[JeffDuncan]

I'm not running away from anything. I just said what I had to say. You were being intentionally difficult, and knew exactly what was meant, yet felt the need to bitch. That's all there is. Should we argue and repeat what we already said a few more times?

You are the one being intentionally difficult by just bitching instead of discussing the subject. That is all there is to it. Are you just going to keep being intentionally difficult, and do nothing but bitch and run away from the subject? And stop pretending you don't know exactly what I meant after I was perfectly clear.

[SAGirl]

Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the title.
Great points about the transition year to what exactly. IMO they have been in this state since Tim retired and every year it's a new transition year for one or another reason. Myself, I am guilty of thinking that too, in the past. It's been a transition year every year since 2016. It's always something. Next season it will also be a transition year to incorporate Dejounte back, add Lonnie, and whomever they want to add.

This is the new normal. in fact it's the normal leaguewide with very few exceptions.

The Spurs will be in transition every year for a while. Hopefully one of these transition years the Spurs catch lightning in a bottle and draft a star,or have on of their draftees develop into one. Got to keep hope alive in my case.

[alpha_HaZE]

Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the title.

You are an idiot, he is not.

[SAGirl]

That's awesome to hear Pop probably wants to coach another three years. I was already resigned to him leaving after the Olympics. I can't imagine anyone pining for the days of Cotton Fitzsimmons, Jerry Tarkanian, John Lucas, Bob Hill, and so on like so many here seem to be wanting. Pop getting 48 wins out of this roster in this conference with his second best player in street clothes was a hell of an accomplishment. Losing Dejounte for the season after he had developed a jumpshot was just a crushing gut punch and I saw this as a 38 win team with seemingly all our defensive talent either in Toronto or injury rehab. I would have thought you were fucking nuts if you told me this team would win 48 after the ACL tear.
Without the development of Derrick White, this team would have for sure been the team you thought they were going to be IMO.

[DMC]

Hell yeah...get in here faggots and carve those arms up

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:rollin

[DMC]

The jostling for seeding and 2nd round appearance is all the Spurs have to look forward to north of the lottery, as long as GS remains a 3 piece band.

[SAGirl]

patty is a mistake and belli was never meant to get so many minutes but that changed when murray went down. i would be shocked if the spurs didn't go after a shooter or two this summer. this was never going to be the year for SA, even with leonard. by the houston model, i meant the model in which we go after a chris paul because it's what a team is supposed to do. how has that worked out for houston? the teams that are at the top now are some of the same team who probably had similar fans bitching about the lack of a roster or system just a few seasons ago (boston, philly, portland and denver). milwaukee got lucky with the freak. golden state was a result of building through the draft and being the winner of the KA sweepstakes. the spurs have ended a run that would have put most teams back into the lottery and yet they are a team that could be a top 4 seed next season or out of the playoffs depending on what changes are made and who develops. arguments against that, at this point, are dependent upon a static dynamic.
Except the Spurs did go for CP3, infamously grossly overpaying Pau Gasol, who had opted out of his deal to give them wiggle room to his own advantage.

I know what you want to say, but how you arrive there is dishonest. It would be better to say, I am a fan who appreciates what Pop has done in the past, not eager to get away from the last remaining vestige of the Spurs most successful seasons and in honor of that let Pop continue what he's doing and as a fan I am going to like It and eat it all up. Yum! That is honest.

In truthfulness, for me Pop resigning is meh. I don't know anyone who would do a better job (not my job to scout and interview potential HC) and despite my criticism, the most recent couple of seasons have been challenging for Pop, but every team has challenging seasons and this year Pop had his couple of all stars (or former all stars) healthy. I do think the Spurs need to be more progressive when it comes to basketball. I care less about the politics from him and his lectures than what he has to Still do with baske basketball. Pop used to be very innovative and kept on top of the basketball scene or even started trends. No more tbh. It can't be helped, wheels were going to fall off at some point and Pop has kept the team from bottoming out. So I suppose that's to be commended but honestly dissenting opinions abound.

I Still do wish for fresh takes from the coaching staff and FO.

[JeffDuncan]

I agree, but Number Two forcing his way out is a hell of a mitigating circumstance. I think Pop (the president) did the best he could with what he had, while you're just judging on results, imo expecting the impossible.

The only thing Leonard is responsible for is his personal absence from the roster. Otherwise, the roster is totally on PATFO.

Of course the loss of a great player diminishes the team. No question.

There's no expectation of the impossible. There's the expectation of doing things that make sense.

For example, it doesn't make sense to have four 3pt specialists on a team that shoots the fewest 3ptrs in the NBA. That's just odd. And that is certainly not Leonard's fault, neither the number of 3pt specialists, nor the little use made of them.

Much more could be said, but the season is over. A rehash is pointless. We'll have to wait and see what next season brings. Not just more of the same, I hope.

[JeffDuncan]

You are an idiot, he is not.

You are an idiot, and I am not.

[tlongII]

It’s a players league.

[J_Paco]

“spurs ownership believes he’s entitled to manage his future as he wishes.” :lol that’s exactly what i’ve been saying about how he’ll never be held accountable. dude has a blank fucking check.

No shit, that's what happens when you've more than any other coach in organizational history....

"But, but, but, make him accountable for (blank)......."

[J_Paco]

Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team before the Number Two trade, as if they could patch things up and keep him and Danny around. The roster would have been perfectly fine without the trade. Blaming PATFO for the trade is fair game, but putting all the focus on the free agency period is not appropriate imo. I can't think of one team that wouldn't be completely discombobulated by trading its best player after nearly all the important free agents have already signed their contracts.

No, no, no, you can't let perspective and thoughtfulness affect your thoughts on Pop's "flawed, archaic roster" and moves.......

[UnWantedTheory]

Great points about the transition year to what exactly. IMO they have been in this state since Tim retired and every year it's a new transition year for one or another reason. Myself, I am guilty of thinking that too, in the past. It's been a transition year every year since 2016. It's always something. Next season it will also be a transition year to incorporate Dejounte back, add Lonnie, and whomever they want to add.

This is the new normal. in fact it's the normal leaguewide with very few exceptions.

The Spurs will be in transition every year for a while. Hopefully one of these transition years the Spurs catch lightning in a bottle and draft a star,or have on of their draftees develop into one. Got to keep hope alive in my case.
Adding a player or two back in the lineup is quite different than a roster overhaul. I guess the sticking point for some is the end result, while ignoring the differences in how we got there. Anyways, just my two cents.

[UnWantedTheory]

The only thing Leonard is responsible for is his personal absence from the roster. Otherwise, the roster is totally on PATFO.

Of course the loss of a great player diminishes the team. No question.

There's no expectation of the impossible. There's the expectation of doing things that make sense.

For example, it doesn't make sense to have four 3pt specialists on a team that shoots the fewest 3ptrs in the NBA. That's just odd. And that is certainly not Leonard's fault, neither the number of 3pt specialists, nor the little use made of them.

Much more could be said, but the season is over. A rehash is pointless. We'll have to wait and see what next season brings. Not just more of the same, I hope.
All of which would have made more sense with Leonard on the team. The roster was constructed around him, so of course there was going to be an imbalance and weaknesses incapable of being masked without him.

[rjv]

Except the Spurs did go for CP3, infamously grossly overpaying Pau Gasol, who had opted out of his deal to give them wiggle room to his own advantage.

I know what you want to say, but how you arrive there is dishonest. It would be better to say, I am a fan who appreciates what Pop has done in the past, not eager to get away from the last remaining vestige of the Spurs most successful seasons and in honor of that let Pop continue what he's doing and as a fan I am going to like It and eat it all up. Yum! That is honest.

In truthfulness, for me Pop resigning is meh. I don't know anyone who would do a better job (not my job to scout and interview potential HC) and despite my criticism, the most recent couple of seasons have been challenging for Pop, but every team has challenging seasons and this year Pop had his couple of all stars (or former all stars) healthy. I do think the Spurs need to be more progressive when it comes to basketball. I care less about the politics from him and his lectures than what he has to Still do with baske basketball. Pop used to be very innovative and kept on top of the basketball scene or even started trends. No more tbh. It can't be helped, wheels were going to fall off at some point and Pop has kept the team from bottoming out. So I suppose that's to be commended but honestly dissenting opinions abound.

I Still do wish for fresh takes from the coaching staff and FO.

i can't tell if this is a basketball take or psychoanalysis.