Mueller vs Barr round 1

[djohn2oo8]

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[ChumpHumper]

Yea, Barr is trying to overturn Mueller's finding that Trump should be impeached. He's very deplorable.

[djohn2oo8]

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Bob just said that nigga not exonerated

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurtacular]

Barr should stop undermining the presumed guilt that CNNSBC worked so hard to build.

[Reck]

Guilty.

The next dem prez should open investigations into Barr, Rosenstein and every other cabinet member.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Rosenstein bad now.
:lol Today's eunuch.

[Spurminator]

Having an impartial AG is essential to protecting the integrity of our highest offices. I never thought Jeff Sessions would look good next to anyone else in that position but Barr has set a new low. He should be forced out of office as soon as possible before he can do any further damage.

[Reck]

You’re a fucking idiot as well. Mueller has had no problem going on the record to correct false stories. He did not go on the record to dispute Barr’s summary of his report.

“Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.”

This isn’t even anonymously sourced to anyone on Mueller’s team.
:lol “facts”


Facts are easily verified. You can’t verify. Watch.

“Some, if not all of Mueller's people were upset barr characterized the report in the way he did.”

Name names. Who on Mueller’s team said this?

How does Robert Mueller the III grab you?

Does that name work for you TSA? :lmao

[LkrFan]

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[Spurs Homer]

I've been saying it - and i will go further here - just watch:

Rosenstein and Barr - will be exposed and not only did they spin and misrepresent the Mueller report

after

but worst of all - they also restricted Mueller's investigation and pressured him to wrap up prematurely.


Just watch - as I have been saying all along - there is also a counter-intelligence investigation that Mueller never mentions in the report. There was zero mention of whether Trump is compromised by a foreign power, zero mention of the money trail, zero mention of the FBI briefing BOTH campaigns about foreign interference and asking BOTH campaigns to report ANY contacts immediately.

Barr and Rosenstein are traitors and obstructed justice.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

How does Robert Mueller the III grab you?

Does that name work for you TSA? :lmao


Yup works just fine for me.

“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.”

[TSA]

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“In a cordial and professional conversation, the Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading.”

:lol gullible broke bitch welcher

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller willing to testify

[djohn2oo8]

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Bob just said that nigga not exonerated
Poor TSA

[DMC]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

“In a cordial and professional conversation, the Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading.”


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[TSA]

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“In a cordial and professional conversation, the Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading.”

[a777pilot]

Having an impartial AG is essential to protecting the integrity of our highest offices. I never thought Jeff Sessions would look good next to anyone else in that position but Barr has set a new low. He should be forced out of office as soon as possible before he can do any further damage.

Y'all mean like Mr. Holder....I'm Obama's wingman. Or Ms. Lynch....meets with Bill Clinton in secret just prior to Hillary's whitewash. Got it!

[spurraider21]

“In a cordial and professional conversation, the Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading.”
DOJ spokeswoman backing up the AG? shocking

[djohn2oo8]

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Bob just said that nigga not exonerated

[spurraider21]

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[djohn2oo8]

BTW Barr lied to Congress about this

[TSA]

DOJ spokeswoman backing up the AG? shocking

“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.”

[spurraider21]

“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.”
yup. but he also said it didnt capture the context, nature, and substance of his work.

something can be misleading but not inaccurate

[TSA]

BTW Barr lied to Congress about this


How long is it going to take you to figure out no one here takes anything you say seriously anymore.

Pushing 1500+ pages of pure hoax bullshit for 2+ will do that to a reputation.

You’re done. You’re poor. You’re a welcher.

[TSA]

yup. but he also said it didnt capture the context, nature, and substance of his work.

something can be misleading but not inaccurate


And then Barr released the whole fucking report. You realize we are discussing a nothingburger letter from Mueller pre-report release right?

[spurraider21]

And then Barr released the whole fucking report. You realize we are discussing a nothingburger letter from Mueller pre-report release right?
i know. but thats moving the goalpost

also begs the question of why he'd release the summary in the first place

[TSA]

i know. but thats moving the goalpost

also begs the question of why he'd release the summary in the first place

Barr didn’t have to release a single fucking thing to the public, but he released the report almost in its entirety, and you want to nitpick at an accurate summary he released beforehand? :lol ok

[spurraider21]

Barr didn’t have to release a single fucking thing to the public, but he released the report almost in its entirety, and you want to nitpick at an accurate summary he released beforehand? :lol ok
im not calling for his head over the summary :lol... but you repeatedly quoting a DOJ spokespereson as some silver bullet was just hilarious. it would be like citing kellyanne conway to defend trump

[TSA]

im not calling for his head over the summary :lol... but you repeatedly quoting a DOJ spokespereson as some silver bullet was just hilarious. it would be like citing kellyanne conway to defend trump

“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.”

Is this quote not from a DOJ spokesperson also hilarious?

[TSA]

Bob just said that nigga not exonerated

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.

[djohn2oo8]

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
:lmao :lmao :lmao this after you said Mueller cleared him

[djohn2oo8]

:rollin I’m dyin

[TSA]

:lmao :lmao :lmao this after you said Mueller cleared him

You don’t get to laugh at anyone after 2 years of predictions, a 1500+ page thread dedicated to your predictions, and welshing on a $2000 bet for your failed predictions.

Your dodge was duly noted though.

[spurraider21]

“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.”

Is this quote not from a DOJ spokesperson also hilarious?
I already commented on that quote

[spurraider21]

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
Mueller wasn’t tasked with prosecuting trump. Doesn’t have the authority to indict him

[TSA]

I already commented on that quote

I know.

I just like to highlight how you didn’t comment on what both were in response to.

[TSA]

Mueller wasn’t tasked with prosecuting trump. Doesn’t have the authority to indict him


Cute that you tried but you didn’t answer the question either.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

Cute that you tried but you didn’t answer the question either.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
You accused prosecutors of unlawful exoneration, so you tell us.

[spurraider21]

Cute that you tried but you didn’t answer the question either.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
its a false premise if he's not a prosecutor here

[spurraider21]

I know.

I just like to highlight how you didn’t comment on what both were in response to.
oh. i think his summary was useless and just getting ahead of the spin game. was misleading. not worthy of discipline/investigation imo

but reeks of partiality/conflict and just generally looks bad.

[pgardn]

What we know for sure is that Trump told multiple people to lie for him.
He told them to lie to the American people.


His own people reported him when pressed to tell the truth.
Our president will lie about almost anything. He can’t be trusted.

[TSA]

its a false premise if he's not a prosecutor here

The report wasn’t written solely by Mueller don’t try and play stupid.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.

[TSA]

oh. i think his summary was useless and just getting ahead of the spin game. was misleading. not worthy of discipline/investigation imo

but reeks of partiality/conflict and just generally looks bad.


that’s not what my posted quotes were in response too.

[spurraider21]

The report wasn’t written solely by Mueller don’t try and play stupid.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
Nobody from the special counsels office had authority to prosecute trump. So it’s still a false premise

[TSA]

Nobody from the special counsels office had authority to prosecute trump. So it’s still a false premise

You’re flailing around now. The authority you’re referencing concerns prosecuting, not exonerating.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.

[spurraider21]

You’re flailing around now. The authority you’re referencing concerns prosecuting, not exonerating.

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
They’re not prosecuting but you’re calling them prosecutors? :lol

[TSA]

They’re not prosecuting but you’re calling them prosecutors? :lol

What do you call the team of prosecutors Mueller assembled?

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.

[spurraider21]

What do you call the team of prosecutors Mueller assembled?

Is it a prosecutors job to exonerate someone? Yes or no.
They had no authority to prosecute trump.

[Spurs Homer]

The cover up is



crumbling

barr perjured himself

barr should resign

[Reck]

TSA will spin just about everything for mein Drumfp. :lol

[Will Hunting]

I'm convinced Trump/Barr are doing things to drag Russiagate out as much as possible knowing that it will result in his reelection if the Dems keep harping on this.

[Spurtacular]

I'm convinced Trump/Barr are doing things to drag Russiagate out as much as possible knowing that it will result in his reelection if the Dems keep harping on this.

Dems gonna bring in the guy who couldn't put the clamp on so-called Russian interference in the first place. :lol

[Spurs Homer]

Seriously? Who the fuck takes you seriously you inbred mongoloid.

Fucking ducks, who can’t form a single coherent thought, has more credibility than you.

Now log in with your hater alt, and pretend you’re not a completely worthless piece of shit

when that piece of shit was spiking the football- i told that piece of shit

that barr was covering up the investigation

that idiot kept re-posting barrs version of what mueller had said

i told that moron then - that barr was selectively spinning shit but he and his idiot trumper cult morons were swearing by barrs fuckery

comrade tsa makes ducks look like a scholar lolol

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

Republican senators rolling up their sleeves and looking out for the american people in their grilling Barr about...


HER EMAILS!!!!!

[El Santo]

Its been 2 years of investigation and no collusion at all and how can there be a cover up of no crime commited, why not go after hillary and emails or obama for fast and furious, or irs targeting and on and on.....

[El Santo]

no you guys are moronic sheep that need to wake up.. you dont even know who is your enemy.. i know its hard but do some critical thinking

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

Sen blumenthal tore the traitor a new asshole

”have you discussed any of the 12-14 investigations with anyone in the white house - including the president?”

traitor: “ i dont recall sharing any [substantial] info”

piece of shit


blumenthal: “you cant recall?” “Will you recuse?”

traitor : “no”

someone has to protect the criminal traitor in the white house

[Spurs Homer]

Sen hirono destroying the traitor

why does white supremacist amerikka need an asian woman

to show there are still patriots in gov’t?

all those pussy white traitors dont have the balls or integrity that this asian woman displays?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1123653574699831296

:tu

[djohn2oo8]

So Barr was working on the no obstruction before even receiving Muellers report

[djohn2oo8]

Phone call transcripts with Mueller

[djohn2oo8]

Barr hasn’t viewed the classified evidence in Muellers report

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

So Barr was working on the no obstruction before even receiving Muellers report

kamala harris also destroyed and exposed barr

barr made the biggest prosecution decision in the usa of the last 100 years

WITHOUT

reviewing ANY of the evidence

lolololol

[Chucho]

barr made the biggest prosecution decision in the usa of the last 100 years
WITHOUT
reviewing ANY of the evidence


.

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1123662318930399233?s=19

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[Spurs Homer]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1123662318930399233?s=19

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she had him tap dancing & doing backflips to explain his incompetence and his blatant bias lolololol

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[Chris]

Kamala for Wakanda didn't do her research?

[Trill Clinton]

1st team all defense right on time lol

[Reck]

I'm convinced Trump/Barr are doing things to drag Russiagate out as much as possible knowing that it will result in his reelection if the Dems keep harping on this.

Hoe does he win Michigan/Pennsylvania and Wisconsin again?

If he does, he has to do it by double, maybe even triple the margin he did the last time. Trump has gotten less and less popular even on Trump states so I'm curious to know what you're seeing.

Which dem candidates do you think wins against Trump?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1123679008661680128?s=19

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i know you are a cult troll but that wasnt the issue

it was whether either of the two traitors consulted about recusing

before making the decision to exonerate the traitor in chief

but trolls dont really care about anything other than semen shielding their traitor heros

[Spurs Homer]

Hoe does he win Michigan/Pennsylvania and Wisconsin again?

If he does, he has to do it by double, maybe even triple the margin he did the last time. Trump has gotten less and less popular even on Trump states so I'm curious to know what you're seeing.

Which dem candidates do you think wins against Trump?


he has team russia working to re-elect him

or

did i completely miss it when he denounced russia for the attack on our country?

[Spurs Homer]

James comey writes a 100% accurate article today:

describes barr and rosenstein as weak and allowing trump to

”eat their soul”


lololol

[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

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:lol not understanding that means Rosenstein and Barr didn't even question Mueller and took everything he submitted in the report as true and still didn't find obstruction

What an embarrassing hearing for the Dems today. They need to give this shit up or they are gift wrapping Trump another 4 years.

[Reck]

James comey writes a 100% accurate article today:

describes barr and rosenstein as weak and allowing trump to

”eat their soul”


lololol

Comey.

Fuck Comey. He's as ball less as any of of them. He succumbed to pressure just like they did so what is he talking about?

[koriwhat]

What we know for sure is that Trump told multiple people to lie for him.
He told them to lie to the American people.


His own people reported him when pressed to tell the truth.
Our president will lie about almost anything. He can’t be trusted.

i'm guessing you're speaking about the whole "asylum" thing huh? that shit needs to be reformed anyhow seeing how most seeking asylum aren't running from shit except the shithole's they come from.

[Reck]

:lol not understanding that means Rosenstein and Barr didn't even question Mueller and took everything he submitted in the report as true and still didn't find obstruction

What an embarrassing hearing for the Dems today. They need to give this shit up or they are gift wrapping Trump another 4 years.

Your reading comprehension is atrocious.

Then you double down on an unlikely and shitty prediction to boot. Your life must suck.

[Spurminator]

What an embarrassing hearing for the Dems today. They need to give this shit up or they are gift wrapping Trump another 4 years.

:lol I hate to burst the bubble you live inside, but 99% of voters didn't watch, and won't remember a thing about, the hearing today.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

Comey.

Fuck Comey. He's as ball less as any of of them. He succumbed to pressure just like they did so what is he talking about?

wrong

comey was asked for “loyalty” from trump - comey refused

comey was asked to “let flynn go” - comey refused

comey was asked to publicly announce that the fbi was NOT investigating trump - comey refused

trump kept calling comey personally on the phone - comey reported & memorialized every contact and told sessions to never allow this to happen again

for all that - he was fired

that is a fact

[Reck]

wrong

comey was asked for “loyalty” from trump - comey refused

comey was asked to “let flynn go” - comey refused

comey was asked to publicly announce that the fbi was NOT investigating trump - comey refused

trump kept calling comey personally on the phone - comey reported & memorialized every contact and told sessions to never allow this to happen again

for all that - he was fired

that is a fact

Comey is scum. I dont care what he did or didn't do after he played his part in giving us Trump.

He's looking for redemption after the shit show that Trump turned out to be. he'll never get it.

[TSA]

:lol I hate to burst the bubble you live inside, but 99% of voters didn't watch, and won't remember a thing about, the hearing today.

You really think 99% of voters didn’t watch a hearing of the Attorney General discussing the biggest prosecution decision in the usa of the last 100 years?

[Pavlov]

:lmao "snitty"

[TSA]

Your reading comprehension is atrocious.

Then you double down on an unlikely and shitty prediction to boot. Your life must suck.


My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is you just read a tweet and accept it as fact instead of watching and listening to what Barr actually says. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact? The makes the fact that Barr and Rosenstein didn’t charge obstruction even funnier since they could made Mueller’s team look even more pathetic.

[TSA]

I'm convinced Trump/Barr are doing things to drag Russiagate out as much as possible knowing that it will result in his reelection if the Dems keep harping on this.

:lol I hate to burst the bubble you live inside, but 99% of voters didn't watch, and won't remember a thing about, the hearing today.

[Pavlov]

My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is you just read a tweet and accept it as fact instead of watching and listening to what Barr actually says. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact? The makes the fact that Barr and Rosenstein didn’t charge obstruction even funnier since they could made Mueller’s team look even more pathetic.:lmao acting like anyone at DOJ thought they could charge Trump.

Makes you look even more pathetic.

Poor fella.

[boutons_deux]

Barr blows off 2nd day, subpoena and censure by House incoming

[Reck]

My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is you just read a tweet and accept it as fact instead of watching and listening to what Barr actually says. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact? The makes the fact that Barr and Rosenstein didn’t charge obstruction even funnier since they could made Mueller’s team look even more pathetic.

Son, you take your cues from QAnon and Gorka and those shitheads that dont know what planet they are even on.

Dont talk to me about taking a tweet as fact when you follow these people I mentioned and eat their shit sandwich.

[boutons_deux]

Pootin i s laughing his ass off at how his puppet Trash has fucked up America

[Spurs Homer]

My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is you just read a tweet and accept it as fact instead of watching and listening to what Barr actually says. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact? The makes the fact that Barr and Rosenstein didn’t charge obstruction even funnier since they could made Mueller’s team look even more pathetic.


lolol

so when mueller testifies and says trump committed crimes but mueller was prevented from indicting because of olc/doj policy


where will you move the goalpost to?

when mueller testifies that it has always been the duty of congress


not barr

which rt wing tweet will you peddle?


you make ducks look like a phd scholar lololol

[TSA]

Son, you take your cues from QAnon and Gorka and those shitheads that dont know what planet they are even on.

Dont talk to me about taking a tweet as fact when you follow these people I mentioned and eat their shit sandwich.

I’ll talk to you about taking that tweet as fact because you did. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact?

[TSA]

lolol

so when mueller testifies and says trump committed crimes but mueller was prevented from indicting because of olc/doj policy


where will you move the goalpost to?

when mueller testifies that it has always been the duty of congress


not barr

which rt wing tweet will you peddle?


you make ducks look like a phd scholar lololol

Mueller had every chance to say Trump committed crimes in his report but he didn’t, and that isn’t going to change when he testifies.

Mueller testifying will not go how you are hoping it will. It will blow up in your face just like the Russia investigation, just like Mueller’s report, and just like today’s hearing.

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller had every chance to say Trump committed crimes in his report but he didn’t, and that isn’t going to change when he testifies.

Mueller testifying will not go how you are hoping it will. It will blow up in your face just like the Russia investigation, just like Mueller’s report, and just like today’s hearing.

you didnt read the report pizzagate whack job

lolol

[a777pilot]

:lol I hate to burst the bubble you live inside, but 99% of voters didn't watch, and won't remember a thing about, the hearing today.

Boy, that is true.

I did watch just one small portion and I'm glade I did. I saw Senator "I served in Vietnam" Blumenthal try to get AG Barr to say Muller disagreed with him, Barr. Barr said they had a phone conversation and there were notes. Blumenthal, "Can I have those note?". Barr, "No!" Blumenthal, "Why not?" Barr, "Why should you."

I think I am going to like this AG.

[Pavlov]

:lol afraid to show his non-existent notes.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol afraid to show his non-existent notes.


:rollin


Did anyone at the WH or Trump himself ever ask or suggest that you open an investigation on anyone?

"uh - I don't remember - uh Im grappling with the word suggest"


liars gonna lie!

[a777pilot]

Barr blows off 2nd day, subpoena and censure by House incoming

Both of those, subpoena and censure, are meaningless. He's the AG.

[Will Hunting]

:lol I hate to burst the bubble you live inside, but 99% of voters didn't watch, and won't remember a thing about, the hearing today.
Yeah you clearly didn’t understand my post (I didn’t watch the hearing today either FWIW) and are agreeing with my point. At this point the Dems are fucking themselves over in 2020 by refusing to drop Russiagate.

[a777pilot]

:lol afraid to show his non-existent notes.

I'm still waiting for Comey's notes. Have you seen them?

[Will Hunting]

Hoe does he win Michigan/Pennsylvania and Wisconsin again?

If he does, he has to do it by double, maybe even triple the margin he did the last time. Trump has gotten less and less popular even on Trump states so I'm curious to know what you're seeing.

Which dem candidates do you think wins against Trump?
How does he win those states again? He runs against another moderate with a shitty track record on free trade who inspires the same shitty voter turnout your girl Hillary inspired. His approval rating is in the low 40s in all three of those states but you’re ignoring voter turnout and the fact the pollsters clearly have no fucking idea how to poll the rust belt. The polling in those states doesn’t look any worse for Trump now than it did pre election in 2016.

I think Sanders, Warren, Inslee, and Beto all beat Trump easily.

Biden probably wins just from being a likeable white male but it’d be closer than people think.

Gillibrand, Harris, Klobuchar & Buttigieg all lose to Trump imo.

[a777pilot]

One salient point to keep in mind for the Democrats and the members of the Obama Administration, the one point that got Nixon into hot water with impeachment was his misuse of the CIA and FBI toobstructe justice and to spy on the Democrat Party.

Obama and his minions, are in deep kimchi.

That unsung hero of all of this, who I am still waiting for y'all to figure out who, is going to put a multitude of Obama people, and just possibly, Obama himself in serious legal jeopardy.

[TSA]

you didnt read the report pizzagate whack job

lolol

Read enough to know Mueller shit all over the Trump/Russia election collusion conspiracy you 100% fell for, pushed, and believed in.

[TSA]

Yeah you clearly didn’t understand my post (I didn’t watch the hearing today either FWIW) and are agreeing with my point. At this point the Dems are fucking themselves over in 2020 by refusing to drop Russiagate.

Yeah you clearly didn’t understand “my” post :lol

[TSA]

Yeah you clearly didn’t understand my post (I didn’t watch the hearing today either FWIW) and are agreeing with my point. At this point the Dems are fucking themselves over in 2020 by refusing to drop Russiagate.

Yeah you clearly didn’t understand “my” post :lol

[Pavlov]

I'm still waiting for Comey's notes. Have you seen them?Yes.

Over a year ago.

You seriously didn't know they were released.:lmao

[Pavlov]

One salient point to keep in mind for the Democrats and the members of the Obama Administration, the one point that got Nixon into hot water with impeachment was his misuse of the CIA and FBI toobstructe justice and to spy on the Democrat Party.

Obama and his minions, are in deep kimchi.

That unsung hero of all of this, who I am still waiting for y'all to figure out who, is going to put a multitude of Obama people, and just possibly, Obama himself in serious legal jeopardy.What are all those people going to be charged with?

You keep ducking that question.

[spurraider21]

Mueller had every chance to say Trump committed crimes in his report but he didn’t, and that isn’t going to change when he testifies.

Mueller testifying will not go how you are hoping it will. It will blow up in your face just like the Russia investigation, just like Mueller’s report, and just like today’s hearing.
nope, he wasn't allowed to

[DarrinS]

nope, he wasn't allowed to

????

[a777pilot]

"I think Sanders, Warren, Inslee, and Beto all beat Trump easily."

I think you are also in favor of legalizing drugs.

[spurraider21]

????
directly from the mueller report:


Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct"constitutes a federal offense." U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual§ 9-27.220 (2018) (JusticeManual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor's accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President's term, OLC reasoned, "it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment's] secrecy," and if an indictment became public, "[t]he stigma and opprobrium" could imperil the President's ability to govern." Although a prosecutor's internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report's public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining "that the person's conduct constitutes a federal offense." Justice Manual § 9-27.220.

[spurraider21]

1) they agreed with white house counsel that they lacked authority to indict a sitting president

2) when somebody faces an accusation, they typically have the recourse of standing trial and being found not guilty. there's a process to clear their name.

3) as they could not indict trump, there would be no parallel to that. if they just said "we cant charge trump, but we conclude he's guilty of crimes" then its basically just a smear with no chance for him to defend himself in court and clear his name. that's the "fairness" concerns they cite

4) therefore they decided that they were not allowed to come to a formal conclusion that the president committed any crime


i posted about this in another thread... predictably didnt get a single response

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278376&p=9782553&viewfull=1#post9782553

[a777pilot]

What are all those people going to be charged with?

You keep ducking that question.

I'm sorry, I did not know I had been asked a question.

To take just one crime, giving false testimony before a federal court justice: Members of the office of Whitehouse National Security, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, the DNI and individual members of the Whitehouse staff all gave false testimony before the FISA Court. It appears the Senior Justice, Rosemary Mayers Collyer, is pissed. It's not smart to fuck with a senior Federal Judge.

[Spurtacular]

Having an impartial AG is essential to protecting the integrity of our highest offices. I never thought Jeff Sessions would look good next to anyone else in that position but Barr has set a new low. He should be forced out of office as soon as possible before he can do any further damage.

Were Janet Reno, Eric Holder, and Loretta Lynch fine upstanding examples of impartial AG's?

[Pavlov]

I'm sorry, I did not know I had been asked a question.

To take just one crime, giving false testimony before a federal court justice: Members of the office of Whitehouse National Security, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, the DNI and individual members of the Whitehouse staff all gave false testimony before the FISA Court. It appears the Senior Justice, Rosemary Mayers Collyer, is pissed. It's not smart to fuck with a senior Federal Judge.So which (at least seven) people are up on charges that resulted in the Page warrant's being renewed for a full year?

Also, explain how pissed Collyer is and what that means.

I'm sure it all sounds great in your mind.

[DarrinS]

1) they agreed with white house counsel that they lacked authority to indict a sitting president

2) when somebody faces an accusation, they typically have the recourse of standing trial and being found not guilty. there's a process to clear their name.

3) as they could not indict trump, there would be no parallel to that. if they just said "we cant charge trump, but we conclude he's guilty of crimes" then its basically just a smear with no chance for him to defend himself in court and clear his name. that's the "fairness" concerns they cite

4) therefore they decided that they were not allowed to come to a formal conclusion that the president committed any crime


i posted about this in another thread... predictably didnt get a single response

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278376&p=9782553&viewfull=1#post9782553


Seems like a moot point if no crime was committed.

[Pavlov]

Seems like a moot point if no crime was committed.But if there was one committed by Trump, you wouldn't read about it in the Mueller report for the reasons mentioned above.

Do you understand that?

[Will Hunting]

Yeah you clearly didn’t understand “my” post :lol
I guess I didn’t. Can you elaborate?

[DarrinS]

But if there was one committed by Trump, you wouldn't read about it in the Mueller report for the reasons mentioned above.

Do you understand that?


I understand this

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

[Pavlov]

I understand this

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"I understand you didn't answer and immediately changed the subject.

:lol what a little bitch

[TSA]

1) they agreed with white house counsel that they lacked authority to indict a sitting president

2) when somebody faces an accusation, they typically have the recourse of standing trial and being found not guilty. there's a process to clear their name.

3) as they could not indict trump, there would be no parallel to that. if they just said "we cant charge trump, but we conclude he's guilty of crimes" then its basically just a smear with no chance for him to defend himself in court and clear his name. that's the "fairness" concerns they cite

4) therefore they decided that they were not allowed to come to a formal conclusion that the president committed any crime


i posted about this in another thread... predictably didnt get a single response

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278376&p=9782553&viewfull=1#post9782553

And Mueller’s team did the exact opposite of what they claimed they were trying to avoid doing.

[spurraider21]

Seems like a moot point if no crime was committed.
moving the goalpost

[spurraider21]

And Mueller’s team did the exact opposite of what they claimed they were trying to avoid doing.
no, they never reached a conclusion that he committed a crime, which is literally in the line that you bolded

just because they couldn't make a formal finding that trump committed a crime doesnt mean that their duty to investigate and report to congress goes away.

[TSA]

I guess I didn’t. Can you elaborate?

It was a copy/paste of Spurminator’s post directed at me in this thread.

[Pavlov]

Man, board Trumpistas can't stand having things explained to them in plain text.

Maybe we should try starting an alt-right conspiracy twitter account.

Instant credibility!

[TSA]

no, they never reached a conclusion that he committed a crime, which is literally in the line that you bolded

just because they couldn't make a formal finding that trump committed a crime doesnt mean that their duty to investigate and report to congress goes away.

It was nothing but a smear they gift wrapped for Dems in Congress. No different then Mueller’s team omitting emails in the report to make them sound nefarious.

[Pavlov]

It was nothing but a smear they gift wrapped for Dems in Congress. No different then Mueller’s team omitting emails in the report to make them sound nefarious.So Mueller isn't working with Trump to pwn the Dems?

[a777pilot]

So which (at least seven) people are up on charges that resulted in the Page warrant's being renewed for a full year?

Also, explain how pissed Collyer is and what that means.

I'm sure it all sounds great in your mind.

Do your own research. Look up who Rosemary Mayers Collyer is. When you are researching this, see if you can figure out who this unsung hero might be that I keep thinking one of you might figure out. So far, no joy.

This story is far from over....sad.

[Will Hunting]

It was a copy/paste of Spurminator’s post directed at me in this thread.
I didn’t read the whole thread :lol

[Pavlov]

Do your own research.:lmao It's like you've been posting here for years.

It's your claim, back it up.

And no one cares about your "hero" dad trivia.

[Spurminator]

It was a copy/paste of Spurminator’s post directed at me in this thread.


I didn’t read the whole thread :lol

I'm fine with that post being used as a response in this case as well. I disagree that challenging the Attorney General on his blatant and dishonest spinning to protect the President will have significant impact on the next election. And things like this shouldn't be done for political gamesmanship anyway. It's the right thing to do to hold Barr accountable.

If the GOP was anything resembling a party that cares about the country and the integrity of its highest offices, they'd be asking Barr tough questions too, instead of still talking about Hillary Clinton.

[DarrinS]

I'm fine with that post being used as a response in this case as well. I disagree that challenging the Attorney General on his blatant and dishonest spinning to protect the President will have significant impact on the next election. And things like this shouldn't be done for political gamesmanship anyway. It's the right thing to do to hold Barr accountable.

If the GOP was anything resembling a party that cares about the country and the integrity of its highest offices, they'd be asking Barr tough questions too, instead of still talking about Hillary Clinton.

Protecting him from what?

[Spurminator]

Protecting him from what?

Bad press uncombatted by POTUS-friendly talking points. Or do you think having a press conference to discuss the Mueller Report prior to its release was normal practice? This dude is basically Rudy Giuliani but in an actual position of power. You should be embarrassed that he's your AG.

[Nbadan]

Darrin is an idiot in the same league as David Lee and our own embarrassment Ted Cruz.....all of them are so far up Trumps ass they probably smell his breath...

[DarrinS]

Bad press uncombatted by POTUS-friendly talking points. Or do you think having a press conference to discuss the Mueller Report prior to its release was normal practice? This dude is basically Rudy Giuliani but in an actual position of power. You should be embarrassed that he's your AG.

I'm still waiting to hear what Barr is protecting Trump from.

[DarrinS]

Darrin is an idiot in the same league as David Lee and our own embarrassment Ted Cruz.....all of them are so far up Trumps ass they probably smell his breath...

^This dork is a 9/11 twoofer

[Reck]

I’ll talk to you about taking that tweet as fact because you did. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact?

That is an insane assertion.

The Summary and report itself contradict that and Mueller’s letter affirms it.

Barr had issues with the Mueller report. It did not exonerate Trump.

You’re stupid, man.

How can you say Barr didn’t question Mueller on anything and took his word when Barr didn’t agree with the Obstruction side of the investigation. Mueller all but said Congress is the one to deal with it and Barr basically shut it all down.

Mueller was essentially muzzled by the thug Barr.

Not gonna pretend you have even read the report because you haven’t.

Oh and BTW, Barr calling this report his “baby” after it was Mueller who did all the hard work and put so much time into it. :lol You’re a laughingstock TSA.

[Reck]

Seems like a moot point if no crime was committed.

You missed the whole point why. I mean Darrin, the post illustrated at least 4 reasons why.

It doesn’t matter if there were crimes committed or not.

[Reck]

I'm still waiting to hear what Barr is protecting Trump from.

Do you really need an explanation on that? It’s so obvious.

Yet it’s true you do have your ass up Trump’s ass.

[DarrinS]

Do you really need an explanation on that? It’s so obvious.

Yet it’s true you do have your ass up Trump’s ass.

No explanation, just ad hominem.

[Spurs Homer]

1) they agreed with white house counsel that they lacked authority to indict a sitting president

2) when somebody faces an accusation, they typically have the recourse of standing trial and being found not guilty. there's a process to clear their name.

3) as they could not indict trump, there would be no parallel to that. if they just said "we cant charge trump, but we conclude he's guilty of crimes" then its basically just a smear with no chance for him to defend himself in court and clear his name. that's the "fairness" concerns they cite

4) therefore they decided that they were not allowed to come to a formal conclusion that the president committed any crime


i posted about this in another thread... predictably didnt get a single response

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278376&p=9782553&viewfull=1#post9782553


I agree - but - I had already stated all this in several threads -

Mueller could not indict - therefore he couldn't charge = and like I posted before -

since the laws are set up to protect criminals -

Mueller had to look out for "trumps rights" instead of actually protecting the rule of law -

but even that is flawed - because

for example - let us say Mueller did not charge trump - but stated that "the evidence points to trump guilty of crimes" then all trump would have to do using his executive power -is -

cancel/void the OLC regulation and take his case to trial and defend himself - so even Mueller gave trump the full benefit of the doubt - that he clearly does not deserve

[Nbadan]

https://i.imgur.com/v2je60A.jpg

[Nbadan]

here we go


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=3ReavqtEILM

[ElNono]

It was nothing but a smear they gift wrapped for Dems in Congress. No different then Mueller’s team omitting emails in the report to make them sound nefarious.

SR21 is explaining to you the legal aspect, you respond with an opinion. You're certainly entitled to it, but it's wholly irrelevant to the legal matter at hand. It's important to understand the legal process in order to have an actual informed opinion.

As was explained when the case started, Congress is the only branch authorized of bringing impeachment proceedings to a sitting president. That is, charge him with one of the constitutionally enumerated offenses, try him, and reach a verdict, through a political process (how that process is conducted is strictly political, not controlled by the judiciary at all).

Considering that Mueller and his team did not have the authority to charge the president (even if, in arguendo, the evidence he collected during his investigation would purportedly point to any criminal activity from the sitting president), his job, as far as the president is concerned at least, was to investigate and relay his investigation findings to Congress. It is then up to Congress, starting with the House, to either bring impeachment charges or not.

Unlike what djohn has incorrectly repeated for a while, it was never Mueller's job to either charge or 'exonerate' the president. The investigation itself is a tool for Congress to make that decision. Because that's a political, not a judicial process, it's of the utmost importance that the investigation findings are clear, concise, and as public as they can be. Both because Congress has a big decision to make based on them, and because it provides the public with transparency for whatever Congress decides to do.

Hopefully it's more clear now.

[ElNono]

I'm still waiting to hear what Barr is protecting Trump from.

It's difficult to pin point if you only hear from Barr and he gets to pick and choose what information reaches Congress (specifically because it's Congress' role to make a decision based on the findings).

That doesn't mean there's an impeachable offense, and that Barr is protecting Trump. But without a relatively full disclosure, at least to Congresscritters, it's difficult to ascertain he not protecting him either.

[UnWantedTheory]

Its been 2 years of investigation and no collusion at all and how can there be a cover up of no crime commited, why not go after hillary and emails or obama for fast and furious, or irs targeting and on and on.....
Ask Trump's DOJ.

[UnWantedTheory]

My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is you just read a tweet and accept it as fact instead of watching and listening to what Barr actually says. Do you not understand that Barr said they didn’t question anything Mueller presented and took it as fact? The makes the fact that Barr and Rosenstein didn’t charge obstruction even funnier since they could made Mueller’s team look even more pathetic.You don't get it. Even if they had mounds of evidence, Trump couldn't be charged as he is a sitting president. That is why it was left up to Congress.

[UnWantedTheory]

Protecting him from what?Bad press for starters. There is enough info in the report to make the WH look awful for those who read it and actually care about what is happening there. This is all about perception and getting out in front of things, hence the Barr presser. Why else is it so important for Trump to attack everyone and everything so consistently, even when they don't directly attack him? He knows you people believe whatever he tells you, and even if you don't, he knows you will rationalize or ignore it, "because at least he isn't a liberal." American politics has become a sporting event. Red vs blue. He knows that and uses it.

[boutons_deux]

Durbin got Barr to admit that Barr was working on exoneration before he got Mueller's report

Russian-connected Barr isn't in law enforcement, he's a political hack

[Will Hunting]

I'm fine with that post being used as a response in this case as well. I disagree that challenging the Attorney General on his blatant and dishonest spinning to protect the President will have significant impact on the next election. And things like this shouldn't be done for political gamesmanship anyway. It's the right thing to do to hold Barr accountable.

If the GOP was anything resembling a party that cares about the country and the integrity of its highest offices, they'd be asking Barr tough questions too, instead of still talking about Hillary Clinton.
I'm not sure how much of this is directed at me/TSA, but I agree this won't have much of an impact on the next election.

I also think that if we're talking about the right thing to do, this simply isn't very high on my list. Holding Trump accountable for failing on the promises he made with respect to infrastructure, jobs, etc. is much more appropriate imo since those failures affect more people in their everyday life. That stuff isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with Russiagate but I don't see any time being spent on it, I see Russiagate as another wedge issue.

[Spurminator]

I'm still waiting to hear what Barr is protecting Trump from.

I just told you in the post you quoted. He's protecting Trump from bad press like a PR representative, not an Attorney General. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you were trying to get.

[Spurminator]

dp

[Spurminator]

I'm not sure how much of this is directed at me/TSA, but I agree this won't have much of an impact on the next election.

I also think that if we're talking about the right thing to do, this simply isn't very high on my list. Holding Trump accountable for failing on the promises he made with respect to infrastructure, jobs, etc. is much more appropriate imo since those failures affect more people in their everyday life. That stuff isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with Russiagate but I don't see any time being spent on it, I see Russiagate as another wedge issue.

I can agree that those other concerns are not being given appropriate time or commentary by Democrats but I also don't know how they'd solve that legislatively. Trump's failings in those areas seem like good talking points for 2020 campaigns.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't understand what all the bullshit is about Mueller's letter. Everything Mueller asked to be released "to give full context" has been released.

[SpursforSix]

I don't understand

should be your sig tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

should be your sig tbh

sup, loser?

[SpursforSix]

sup, loser?

Not much old fart. Did you finally realize you were mistaken last night?
Was worried you were sundowning.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not much old fart. Did you finally realize you were mistaken last night?
Was worried you were sundowning.

Nope. I don't live on here like you do. Pretty much have a full life going on.

[TSA]

That is an insane assertion.

The Summary and report itself contradict that and Mueller’s letter affirms it.

Barr had issues with the Mueller report. It did not exonerate Trump.

You’re stupid, man.

How can you say Barr didn’t question Mueller on anything and took his word when Barr didn’t agree with the Obstruction side of the investigation. Mueller all but said Congress is the one to deal with it and Barr basically shut it all down.

Mueller was essentially muzzled by the thug Barr.

Not gonna pretend you have even read the report because you haven’t.

Oh and BTW, Barr calling this report his “baby” after it was Mueller who did all the hard work and put so much time into it. :lol You’re a laughingstock TSA.

Looks like I’ll have to dunce this down for you.

Is underlying evidence and a legal theory the same thing? Yes or no.

[SpursforSix]

Nope. I don't live on here like you do. Pretty much have a full life going on.

ah...that's a convenient way to not have to admit you're wrong. "oh...I'm too busy to realize I'm retarded".

[spurraider21]

It was nothing but a smear they gift wrapped for Dems in Congress. No different then Mueller’s team omitting emails in the report to make them sound nefarious.
Dam the day the report came out you thought it was the best thing ever now it’s a smear giftwrapped for Democrats?

[TSA]

SR21 is explaining to you the legal aspect, you respond with an opinion. You're certainly entitled to it, but it's wholly irrelevant to the legal matter at hand. It's important to understand the legal process in order to have an actual informed opinion.

As was explained when the case started, Congress is the only branch authorized of bringing impeachment proceedings to a sitting president. That is, charge him with one of the constitutionally enumerated offenses, try him, and reach a verdict, through a political process (how that process is conducted is strictly political, not controlled by the judiciary at all).

Considering that Mueller and his team did not have the authority to charge the president (even if, in arguendo, the evidence he collected during his investigation would purportedly point to any criminal activity from the sitting president), his job, as far as the president is concerned at least, was to investigate and relay his investigation findings to Congress. It is then up to Congress, starting with the House, to either bring impeachment charges or not.

Unlike what djohn has incorrectly repeated for a while, it was never Mueller's job to either charge or 'exonerate' the president. The investigation itself is a tool for Congress to make that decision. Because that's a political, not a judicial process, it's of the utmost importance that the investigation findings are clear, concise, and as public as they can be. Both because Congress has a big decision to make based on them, and because it provides the public with transparency for whatever Congress decides to do.

Hopefully it's more clear now.

It’s never a prosecutor’s job to exonerate someone, that was my point.

[TSA]

Dam the day the report came out you thought it was the best thing ever now it’s a smear giftwrapped for Democrats?

Are those two things mutually exclusive?

[spurraider21]

Are those two things mutually exclusive?
Most definitely

[DarrinS]

It’s never a prosecutor’s job to exonerate someone, that was my point.

Starting around 8:45. :tu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbWzrR3MW6k

[TSA]

Most definitely

Most definitely not. Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia and Dems will hang themselves chasing obstruction.

[spurraider21]

Most definitely not. Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia and Dems will hang themselves chasing obstruction.
you think mueller's obstruction report was ideal for trump? couldn't have possibly been more favorable?

[Pavlov]

It’s never a prosecutor’s job to exonerate someone, that was my point.
Then what was all that "unlawful exoneration" stuff you were going on about with other prosecutors?

[boutons_deux]

Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia

FALSE

Dems will hang themselves chasing obstruction

FALSE

[CosmicCowboy]

Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia

FALSE

Dems will hang themselves chasing obstruction

FALSE

After 2 years they found no evidence of collusion.

If dems think there was impeachable obstruction, then dems should shut the fuck up and impeach him.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't understand what all the bullshit is about Mueller's letter. Everything Mueller asked to be released "to give full context" has been released.

You don't understand why there is a letter dated March 27 about a report released April 18th?

[Spurs Homer]

Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia

FALSE

Dems will hang themselves chasing obstruction

FALSE


This



I believe that Barr curtailed Muellers investigation - illegally.

Then obstructed justice in so many other ways -

Sure -

trump and the Cult and Faux news propaganda team - go a yuge head start on their narrative -

but it will come out that Barr - as soon as he was confirmed - got Rosenstein to help him neuter the investigation


this is why you see Mueller looks like a genius when he displays indictments of the Russians and his work looks like a masterpiece -


then after Barr -


Mueller suddenly looks like a dunce novice who cannot compel trump or trump jr to testify, suddenly cannot connect simple dots tying the trump criminal family to obvious conspiracy to defraud, does NOT follow up on Jared's secret Russia backchannel -????


wtf????


No - this is all the handiwork of Barr - who was hired to throw a huge wrench on this entire investigation - and so far has succeeded -

but not for long.

[boutons_deux]

Pelosi says Barr comitted a crime by lying to Congress, impeachment or censure incoming.

[koriwhat]

This



I believe that Barr curtailed Muellers investigation - illegally.

Then obstructed justice in so many other ways -

Sure -

trump and the Cult and Faux news propaganda team - go a yuge head start on their narrative -

but it will come out that Barr - as soon as he was confirmed - got Rosenstein to help him neuter the investigation


this is why you see Mueller looks like a genius when he displays indictments of the Russians and his work looks like a masterpiece -


then after Barr -


Mueller suddenly looks like a dunce novice who cannot compel trump or trump jr to testify, suddenly cannot connect simple dots tying the trump criminal family to obvious conspiracy to defraud, does NOT follow up on Jared's secret Russia backchannel -????


wtf????


No - this is all the handiwork of Barr - who was hired to throw a huge wrench on this entire investigation - and so far has succeeded -

but not for long.

truth is no one gives a fuck what you believe... lmao messageboard losers!

[Spurs Homer]

truth is no one gives a fuck what you believe... lmao messageboard losers!

truth is ...

if you and i were being considered as any kind of choice or side to pick

you would be disqualified because of your phaggoty calf tats


crofl

[TSA]

you think mueller's obstruction report was ideal for trump? couldn't have possibly been more favorable?

Ideal, no. Could it have been more favorable, yes. But neither of those make the two mutually exclusive.

You need to look at the long game Trump is and has been playing. When he declassifies the FISA apps and the true origin of how the investigation started is revealed you’ll understand why I said the Dems would hang themselves chasing obstruction.

[TSA]

This



I believe that Barr curtailed Muellers investigation - illegally.

Then obstructed justice in so many other ways -

Sure -

trump and the Cult and Faux news propaganda team - go a yuge head start on their narrative -

but it will come out that Barr - as soon as he was confirmed - got Rosenstein to help him neuter the investigation


this is why you see Mueller looks like a genius when he displays indictments of the Russians and his work looks like a masterpiece -


then after Barr -


Mueller suddenly looks like a dunce novice who cannot compel trump or trump jr to testify, suddenly cannot connect simple dots tying the trump criminal family to obvious conspiracy to defraud, does NOT follow up on Jared's secret Russia backchannel -????


wtf????


No - this is all the handiwork of Barr - who was hired to throw a huge wrench on this entire investigation - and so far has succeeded -

but not for long.

You are either the most delusional poster here or the best troll here. Either way :lmao

[koriwhat]

truth is ...

if you and i were being considered as any kind of choice or side to pick

you would be disqualified because of your phaggoty calf tats


crofl

you know damn well you have no clue what you speak of here on ST but you continue on as if you do. it's hilarious seeing those just like you, here on ST, act high and mighty with their faux intellectual talking points.

2 wks in california and this board is more nuts than those i met in LA. go figure.

[Pavlov]

Ideal, no. Could it have been more favorable, yes. But neither of those make the two mutually exclusive.

You need to look at the long game Trump is and has been playing. When he declassifies the FISA apps and the true origin of how the investigation started is revealed you’ll understand why I said the Dems would hang themselves chasing obstruction.Aaaaaand the ol' can is kicked down the road once more.

[koriwhat]

the Dems would hang themselves chasing obstruction.

those dumb fucks are chasing obstruction of justice for a crime that never even existed... it's comical really. then their pawns in the streets hold their noses high in the air as if they are worth a fuck to begin with. bunch of losers!

[Spurminator]

You need to look at the long game Trump is and has been playing.

:lmao Still with this bullshit.

[Spurminator]

The game is wake up, react, spin, obstruct, delay, change the subject, outright lie if you must. Wait to see what happens tomorrow and do it again. That's it. That's your President.

If you still think he's some sort of secret genius puppet master after all this time, you're hopelessly deluded.

[Chris]

Good thing Trump has Barr to protect him from all that bad press or he would be in big trouble.

[Spurs Homer]

You are either the most delusional poster here or the best troll here. Either way :lmao

lets mark this post and see how stupid you will look moving the goalposts yet again

no grey area

barr illegally curtailed the mueller investigation - barr decided that the investigation should and would end - not mueller

mark my words

[Spurs Homer]

you know damn well you have no clue what you speak of here on ST but you continue on as if you do. it's hilarious seeing those just like you, here on ST, act high and mighty with their faux intellectual talking points.

2 wks in california and this board is more nuts than those i met in LA. go figure.

awesome

how did west hollywood react to your tats?

lololol

[TSA]

lets mark this post and see how stupid you will look moving the goalposts yet again

no grey area

barr illegally curtailed the mueller investigation - barr decided that the investigation should and would end - not mueller

mark my words

:lmao

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1123945328661680128

[Brazil]

I'm not following all this mess in detail but I understood so far, correct me if I'm wrong:

- Trump and his closest collaborators spent their time lying on all topics all the time
- Trump and his entourage tried hard to obstruct justice but failed :lol
- There is not enough substantial evidence to demonstrate that Trump campaign colluded with Russia.. does not mean they did not try

not sure by what magic trumpards can brag about that outcome but this is, I guess, the society we live on... if they don't catch you, you are an hero.. mind blowing. It's like worshipping Al Capone because he has never been caught for his criminal activities.. trump will maybe fall for tax reasons too.. :lol

[Chris]

"I'm not following" + lots of emojis really drives the point home :tu

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1123948397315198980

[Brazil]

"I'm not following" + lots of emojis really drives the point home :tu

in detail :tu

did I write something incorrect ?

[Winehole23]

Chris is a hand waver. He doesn't do in detail replies.

That's probably wise. Qhen he descends to details he routinely gets rekt.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1123974070960316416

[Brazil]

Chris is a hand waver. He doesn't do in detail replies.

That's probably wise. Qhen he descends to details he routinely gets rekt.

well in that particular case it's not a lot of details tbh.. just 3 generic statements.. I guess it's already too much for a dude who cannot do some simple math... 14% :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/FaithandFootbal/status/1123702064520073217


:hat

[koriwhat]

awesome

how did west hollywood react to your tats?

lololol

didn't hang in west hollywood... but everyone is tattooed out there and didn't give 1 fuck about a couple of spurs tbh. i met plenty of decent people out there minus one dumb #### that shares the same extreme side of the pol spectrum as yourself although she wasn't so political and more bitter than anything. fuck that dumb ####!

[RandomGuy]

I'm not following all this mess in detail but I understood so far, correct me if I'm wrong:

- Trump and his closest collaborators spent their time lying on all topics all the time
- Trump and his entourage tried hard to obstruct justice but failed :lol
- There is not enough substantial evidence to demonstrate that Trump campaign colluded with Russia.. does not mean they did not try

not sure by what magic trumpards can brag about that outcome but this is, I guess, the society we live on... if they don't catch you, you are an hero.. mind blowing. It's like worshipping Al Capone because he has never been caught for his criminal activities.. trump will maybe fall for tax reasons too.. :lol

You can be guilty of obstruction of justice even if you don't succeed. It is the very act of attempting that is the crime, regardless of any ultimate efficacy, which in this case was prevented by principled people, and amusingly, sheer incompetence on the part of Trump.

[CosmicCowboy]

You can be guilty of obstruction of justice even if you don't succeed. It is the very act of attempting that is the crime, regardless of any ultimate efficacy, which in this case was prevented by principled people, and amusingly, sheer incompetence on the part of Trump.

Well, you keep saying that. So do you want the House to impeach him for obstruction?

[vy65]

It’s never a prosecutor’s job to exonerate someone, that was my point.

Is he a prosecutor, or something else?

[vy65]

imo this is probably one of the more important legal passages in the entire report...mueller straight up said that because they are not allowed to indict a sitting president, that they were also not allowed to formally reach a conclusion that he committed a crime. so the report was never a question of "is trump guilty or not guilty" but rather, does the report exonerate trump or does it not exonerate trump. sure, its not the same legal standard as our criminal system (innocent until proven guilty), but given that they cannot bring trump into the criminal realm (due to potential constitutional limitations), that standard is inapplicable.

In line with what my nig Nono said and the CFR


(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

That the statute distinguishes between the grant of jurisdiction to create a "specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated" while also explicitly providing prosecutorial power for obstruction of the special counsel's work makes your point too: Mueller didn't have prosecutorial power vis-a-vis the President, unless Trump obstructed Mueller's work.

[Reck]

Looks like I’ll have to dunce this down for you.

Is underlying evidence and a legal theory the same thing? Yes or no.

What are you on about now?

Were you not prematurely celebrating the Mueller report saying how Mueller and Barr tag teamed this and how on the same page they were? Yes or no?

[Chris]

If Mueller wanted to pursue obstruction, he could have done so. He didn't. Instead, he abdicated. You have to have specific intent to obstruct justice. As a matter of law POTUS can direct the termination or replacement of a special counsel. The obstruction statute does not reach that conduct. Theoretically if it reached that conduct could you then establish corrupt intent beyond a reasonable doubt? If POTUS knew that the allegations were false and he was being falsely accused which is now backed up by evidence, then that is not considered corrupt motive for replacing an independent counsel.

[TSA]

What are you on about now?

Were you not prematurely celebrating the Mueller report saying how Mueller and Barr tag teamed this and how on the same page they were? Yes or no?

I’m not on about anything different than what I started on. Is underlying evidence and a legal theory the same thing? Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

If Mueller wanted to pursue obstruction, he could have done so.lol no

[CosmicCowboy]

lol no

See post 217 and definition of the special prosecutor statute.

[Pavlov]

See post 217 and definition of the special prosecutor statute.I did.

[spurraider21]

In line with what my nig Nono said and the CFR



That the statute distinguishes between the grant of jurisdiction to create a "specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated" while also explicitly providing prosecutorial power for obstruction of the special counsel's work makes your point too: Mueller didn't have prosecutorial power vis-a-vis the President, unless Trump obstructed Mueller's work.


See post 217 and definition of the special prosecutor statute.
theres no doubt that he could pursue obstruction of justice claims... but he lacks authority to indict a sitting president

[CosmicCowboy]

theres no doubt that he could pursue obstruction of justice claims... but he lacks authority to indict a sitting president

Unless he (president trump) "obstructed his work" seemed pretty specific.

[spurraider21]

Good thing Trump has Barr to protect him
yeah cause that's the AG's role

[spurraider21]

Unless he (president trump) "obstructed his work" seemed pretty specific.
he could go after anybody who obstructs the investigation... thats not limited to trump

but generally speaking, the DOJ rule is that you cannot indict a sitting president

[Chris]

yeah cause that's the AG's role


I was being facetious. See post #168 for clarification, or just try to keep up.

[vy65]

theres no doubt that he could pursue obstruction of justice claims... but he lacks authority to indict a sitting president

The report references two investigations: the FBI's and Special Counsel's. Per the 28 CFR 600.8, Mueller would have authority to investigate the "potentially obstructive" acts committed in connection with Special Counsel's investigation. He would not, however, have prosecutorial authority vis-a-vis obstructive acts committed in connection with the FBI's investigation.

That all being said, Mueller could only prosecute federal crimes - which begs the whole immunity question. But I think it's safe to say that because more of the obstruction was directed towards the FBI's investigation (as I understand, I haven't paid that close attention), Mueller couldn't prosecute.

[vy65]

The report references two investigations: the FBI's and Special Counsel's. Per the 28 CFR 600.8, Mueller would have authority to investigate the "potentially obstructive" acts committed in connection with Special Counsel's investigation. He would not, however, have prosecutorial authority vis-a-vis obstructive acts committed in connection with the FBI's investigation.

That all being said, Mueller could only prosecute federal crimes - which begs the whole immunity question. But I think it's safe to say that because more of the obstruction was directed towards the FBI's investigation (as I understand, I haven't paid that close attention), Mueller couldn't prosecute.

"The Order appoint Special Counsel gave this Office jurisdiction to investigate matters that arose directly from the FBI's Russia investigation, including whether the President had obstructed justice in connection with Russia-related investigations. The Special Counsel's jurisdiction also covered potentially obstructive acts related to the Special Counsel's investigation itself.

[vy65]

Mueller goes at lengths to explain why he lacks the authority to initiate a prosecution - but - also says that "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation if the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

Any fair reading of the report should go: "I lack jurisdiction to prosecute, but if I did, then I would."

[DarrinS]

Mueller goes at lengths to explain why he lacks the authority to initiate a prosecution - but - also says that "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation if the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

Any fair reading of the report should go: "I lack jurisdiction to prosecute, but if I did, then I would."


1123599975860948993

[TSA]

Any fair reading of the report should go: "I lack jurisdiction to prosecute, but if I did, then I would."

:lol

[spurraider21]

The report references two investigations: the FBI's and Special Counsel's. Per the 28 CFR 600.8, Mueller would have authority to investigate the "potentially obstructive" acts committed in connection with Special Counsel's investigation. He would not, however, have prosecutorial authority vis-a-vis obstructive acts committed in connection with the FBI's investigation.

That all being said, Mueller could only prosecute federal crimes - which begs the whole immunity question. But I think it's safe to say that because more of the obstruction was directed towards the FBI's investigation (as I understand, I haven't paid that close attention), Mueller couldn't prosecute.
mueller couldn't prosecute trump regardless. they made clear that they cannot indict a sitting president

[DarrinS]

mueller couldn't prosecute trump regardless. they made clear that they cannot indict a sitting president

He could've indicted other people, but there was no crime.

[vy65]

1123599975860948993

Be interesting to hear what Mueller himself says, since Barr has done such a great job conveying what Mueller really means

[vy65]

:lol


Solid take :tu

[vy65]

mueller couldn't prosecute trump regardless. they made clear that they cannot indict a sitting president

I think there was some argument why it was arguable Mueller could indict, but I think the constitional design is to have him removed by congress and then be at the mercy of an US attorney.

[Reck]

Man, Darrin is really going in for someone he says he doesn't even like.

:lol

[DarrinS]

Man, Darrin is really going in for someone he says he doesn't even like.

:lol

So original :cry

[DarrinS]

Be interesting to hear what Mueller himself says, since Barr has done such a great job conveying what Mueller really means

They should subpoena Mueller then.

[Reck]

So original :cry

Not trying to be witty, original or nothing. Just an observation.

[DarrinS]

Not trying to be witty, original or nothing. Just an observation.

Russiagate was a fraud. Just an observation.

[ElNono]

Mueller goes at lengths to explain why he lacks the authority to initiate a prosecution - but - also says that "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation if the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

Any fair reading of the report should go: "I lack jurisdiction to prosecute, but if I did, then I would."

Pretty much. Basically, it’s a telegraph to Congress. Obviously, the larger issue is Congress getting stonewalled by the AG, which apparently is not a connection made by the connect-the-dots fans.

I don’t particularly think the letter from Mueller to Barr is scathing, however, it does communicates the concern from the special counsel about the credibility of the findings if the disclosure isn’t proper.

In other words, Mueller believes Barr’s seemingly arbitrary censure does his investigation a disservice.

[vy65]

They should subpoena Mueller then.

Doesn’t sound like they’ll have to

[spurraider21]

He could've indicted other people, but there was no crime.
if trumps the one who committed obstruction... that doesnt mean mueller could willy nilly indict other people for those charge :lol

[DarrinS]

if trumps the one who committed obstruction... that doesnt mean mueller could willy nilly indict other people for those charge :lol

Obviously, I'm referring to the bogus Russiagate conspiracy.

I understand the goalposts have since shifted. :lol

[spurraider21]

Obviously, I'm referring to the bogus Russiagate conspiracy.

I understand the goalposts have since shifted. :lol
:tu

[Winehole23]

I understand the goalposts have since shifted. :lolNice try.

The concern about obstruction was there shortly after Mueller was appointed, and recurred a dozen or so times thereafter.

[Spurs Homer]

are these ads bothering anyone else but me ?

i cannot access this site on some devices due to ad spam

[boutons_deux]

Barr said he had trouble with the word suggest, as in did Trash "suggest" that Barr open investigations.

After Barr was AG, Trash publicly declared, not suggested, he wanted Hillary and Biden investigated.

Barr LIED, impeach the slimebag.

And then their is Barr using the term "spying" for what Obama/FBI did to Trash and his Russian mafiya in Trash Tower.

[Winehole23]

Perjury would be a hard bar to clear. Impeachment is certainly possible, but removal depends on a GOP Senate that has already shown it will go to the mat for Trump no matter what he does.

The Trump administration's threatened investigations against the Dems may make impeachment hard to resist. It's hardly unthinkable that Trump, perceiving himself as having been the target of a politically predicated invesigation, will use the DOJ to discredit his 2020 opponents. It's a personal vendetta at this point, Trump may find it hard to resist using the powers of his office and the state to crush his perceived enemies.

He has been fantasizing about it for three years -- well before there was any vendetta.

[Pavlov]

Obviously, I'm referring to the bogus Russiagate conspiracy.

I understand the goalposts have since shifted. :lolBut you just shifted them for some reason.