Matisse Thybulle - 2019 NBA Draft Prospect

[timvp]

https://i.imgur.com/u7IMKre.jpg

Matisse Thybulle

School: Washington
Position: SG/SF
Age: 22
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 200
Wingspan: 7-feet
Draft Range: 20 to 40

Why: Freakishly disruptive defender. Long arms, fantastic anticipation and a good leaper. Averaged 3.5 steals and 2.2 blocks per game for Washington. Has shown potential as a shooter during his four years in college: 35.8% from three-point range on 7.5 attempts per 100 possessions and 78.2% at the free throw line. He's athletic enough to finish well in transition.

Why Not: Washington played a zone defense, so how his D will translate to the NBA is a major question mark. Limited offensive upside; his success on that end will depend on how well he can shoot the three. Averaged only 9.1 points in 31.1 minutes as a senior and shot only 30.5% on three-pointers. His lack of ball-handling and playmaking would translate better to SF but he's short for the position, doesn't rebound well and would need more bulk.

Spurs Fit: He'd have to be a full-time SF in San Antonio. Somewhat a plug-and-play prospect depending on how much the Spurs need defense next season.

Spurs Comparison - Ceiling: Less Skilled Danny Green

Spurs Comparison - Floor: Less Skilled Keith Bogans

College Stats (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matisse-thybulle-1.html)
Highlight Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMUcaPcw-f8)
Tankathon Profile (http://www.tankathon.com/players/matisse-thybulle)
The Stepien Profile (https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-understanding-matisse-thybulle/)

[apalisoc_9]

Less skilled danny green?

Ouch.

Dannys only skill in the NBA is three pointing. If this dude is even less skilled..lol

[wildcardX]

Less skilled Danny Green? I think Green was drafted in the second round. Should the Spurs even use one of their picks on this guy?

[jbspurs]

What do you guys think of Charles Matthews for 2nd rnd?

[objective]

https://youtu.be/3hMuHZwwFe8

https://youtu.be/sK2_RzOJ7IA

I have compared him to a rich man's Garret Temple or a homeless man's Shane Battier

I don't think he's a starter, but I want him. I want guys I think can win possessions.

[phxspurfan]

The Centerpiece (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/9/27/1055703/get-to-know-your-new-san-antonio)

[DAF86]

lol that looks awful. How's he the first guy you write about? :lol

[picnroll]

Thybulle? A guy who, if he pans out on defense and gets on the floor, means you’re playing 4 on 5 on offense? Pass. And he’s a negative as a rebounder? Pass. Maybe if you’re a dynamic team on offense with two players like Lillard and McCollum you could afford a player like Thybulle and hope his defense isn’t a mirage created in a zone defense. Pass. Spurs have way above average perimeter defensive players in Murray and White with Walker also having good potential. Thybulle is the last Spurs need to spend resources on.

[John B]

2nd round pick, but I prefer project big for 49th

[Russ]

If you want a 3&D guy who could fall to 19 (although likely won't) you might try Keldon Johnson of Kentucky.

[duncan2k5]

No more shrimps

[SpursDynasty85]

https://youtu.be/3hMuHZwwFe8

https://youtu.be/sK2_RzOJ7IA

I have compared him to a rich man's Garret Temple or a homeless man's Shane Battier

I don't think he's a starter, but I want him. I want guys I think can win possessions.

I would take Garrett Temple. He is old now but if this guy can be even better than what Temple has been he is worth a look if value makes sense.

Edit: Now looking at the videos. This guy looks like a beast defensively. Could totally see his d translating. Haven't seen his offense but he looks every bit the part of Andre Roberson but a little shorter but looks like he has a better build and mentality and defensive instincts over Roberson. I would take him for sure if he was available for the 2nd 1st round pick probably.

[Blackhaus]

Pass pass pass, we have enough guard and if they trot out a 6-5 player to play small forward or even small ball 4 I going to puke. I can just see it nw, pop rolling out mills, belli, this scrub with Davis at center.......

[picnroll]

Good podcast on Thybulle and zone defenses on The Red Team Draft Podcast episode 19.

And a write up

https://www.redteamscouting.com/matisse-thybulle

[exstatic]

Pass pass pass, we have enough guard and if they trot out a 6-5 player to play small forward or even small ball 4 I going to puke. I can just see it nw, pop rolling out mills, belli, this scrub with Davis at center.......

Right, because the warriors haven’t won three championships with a 6’6” center.

[Keepin' it real]

What do you guys think of Charles Matthews for 2nd rnd?

We think that would be better discussed in a thread titled Charles Matthews -- 2019 NBA Draft Prospect

[jbspurs]

We think that would be better discussed in a thread titled Charles Matthews -- 2019 NBA Draft Prospect


Do we really need to create thread for each player draft prospect?

[bluebellmaniac]

Do we really need to create thread for each player draft prospect?

That's usually the idea when you are making threads for each player draft prospect.

[sasaint]

Thybulle? A guy who, if he pans out on defense and gets on the floor, means you’re playing 4 on 5 on offense? Pass. And he’s a negative as a rebounder? Pass. Maybe if you’re a dynamic team on offense with two players like Lillard and McCollum you could afford a player like Thybulle and hope his defense isn’t a mirage created in a zone defense. Pass. Spurs have way above average perimeter defensive players in Murray and White with Walker also having good potential. Thybulle is the last Spurs need to spend resources on.

Exactly. I just do not see why posters covet this guy.

[Chinook]

People are making a mistake if they think the Spurs need someone to play the three. They don't. They need someone who would have been a three five or six years ago and would now be a solid four. Two of Forbes/Murray/White/Walker will start with DeRozan, and two of them will be on the bench with Mills and Beli. DeRozan will be the small-forward for the foreseeable future unless Pop can find a three who can shoot like Forbes can. They need a guy who can play with those three guards and Aldridge, and that dude can't be 6-5, even with long arms. Maybe at 29 if the team picks up that needed forward at 19 and believes they can sign another with the MLE. Thybulle doesn't solve any problems Murray won't already take of though.

[kobyz]

Adam Hanga clone

[duncan2150]

People are making a mistake if they think the Spurs need someone to play the three. They don't. They need someone who would have been a three five or six years ago and would now be a solid four. Two of Forbes/Murray/White/Walker will start with DeRozan, and two of them will be on the bench with Mills and Beli. DeRozan will be the small-forward for the foreseeable future unless Pop can find a three who can shoot like Forbes can. They need a guy who can play with those three guards and Aldridge, and that dude can't be 6-5, even with long arms. Maybe at 29 if the team picks up that needed forward at 19 and believes they can sign another with the MLE. Thybulle doesn't solve any problems Murray won't already take of though.

i agree with you, that's why for me we could add an inside guy who can be a good pf/c and play alognside Aldridge or Poetl. Your definition is more a SF/PF combo i think ? or a small PF ala Brandon Clarke.

[lmbebo]

If we had an early 2nd round pick, he'd be my target.

[Chinook]

i agree with you, that's why for me we could add an inside guy who can be a good pf/c and play alognside Aldridge or Poetl. Your definition is more a SF/PF combo i think ? or a small PF ala Brandon Clarke.

Yeah, I'm not looking for that combo-forward in the 6-8/6-9 range. Rudy Gay's frame is pretty ideal, but dude is too slow to guard on the perimeter, and it's not like he was every a really good defender. I don't think LMA is going to be able to play PF much longer, so getting a seven-footer to play next to him wouldn't be my priority. I think it's a need, especially if that player can play next to bigs against most teams, so I wouldn't be against drafting a mobile center prospect. But I'm looking at Aldridge and Poeltl both as fives, so just bringing over Milutinov or signing a cheap vet fills that role for me. They can always sign yet another two-way guy to be their emergency center depth like they have the past two seasons.

[Cklbmk]

I'd take him at 29 depending whos left on board. I think he's going around 20-24 though

[Cklbmk]

Yeah, I'm not looking for that combo-forward in the 6-8/6-9 range. Rudy Gay's frame is pretty ideal, but dude is too slow to guard on the perimeter, and it's not like he was every a really good defender. I don't think LMA is going to be able to play PF much longer, so getting a seven-footer to play next to him wouldn't be my priority. I think it's a need, especially if that player can play next to bigs against most teams, so I wouldn't be against drafting a mobile center prospect. But I'm looking at Aldridge and Poeltl both as fives, so just bringing over Milutinov or signing a cheap vet fills that role for me. They can always sign yet another two-way guy to be their emergency center depth like they have the past two seasons.


Would you be opposed to Bol Bol at 19?

[R. DeMurre]

DeRozan will be the small-forward for the foreseeable future unless Pop can find a three who can shoot like Forbes can. They need a guy who can play with those three guards and Aldridge, and that dude can't be 6-5, even with long arms. Maybe at 29 if the team picks up that needed forward at 19 and believes they can sign another with the MLE. Thybulle doesn't solve any problems Murray won't already take of though.

And therein lies the problem... In an era when the the golden prototype is a 3 & D small forward, the Spurs have a No 3/shaky D small forward.

[Chinook]

Would you be opposed to Bol Bol at 19?

I'd trust PATFO is they picked them, because they never draft a guy without a plan for developing him. But I wouldn't draft Bol there. Like even if everyone I'd prefer above Bol was already picked, I'd prefer to trade down. I just don't believe his game will transfer, and I don't see the smooth, fluid athlete some seem to.

[FkLA]

Depending on what other options are available, I wouldn't mind taking him with the 29th pick, tbh.

As long as he can hit the 3 who cares how limited he is offensively. Seems like people are forgetting just how valuable 3&D guys are. I want both 1st Rd picks to be used on wings.

[R. DeMurre]

Small detail, but I'm guessing Thybulle measures out at 6'6" in shoes. After looking around, I found a good pic of him online standing next to Jamal Crawford, who was measured at the draft combine at 6'4.5" in bare feet, which would put him at about 6'5.5" in sneakers, and Thybulle is clearly at least a half inch taller.

https://twitter.com/JCrossover/status/891469850169622529

[Realdeal1]

Less skilled Danny green ? No thanks

[Chinook]

Depending on what other options are available, I wouldn't mind taking him with the 29th pick, tbh.

As long as he can hit the 3 who cares how limited he is offensively. Seems like people are forgetting just how valuable 3&D guys are. I want both 1st Rd picks to be used on wings.

Sure, but there's nothing to indicate he can hit the three. May as well talk about Poeltl shooting them.

[Chinook]

Small detail, but I'm guessing Thybulle measures out at 6'6" in shoes. After looking around, I found a good pic of him online standing next to Jamal Crawford, who was measured at the draft combine at 6'4.5" in bare feet, which would put him at about 6'5.5" in sneakers, and Thybulle is clearly at least a half inch taller. (Unfortunately can't find that pic now.)

To me, that means little. Thybulle isn't too small to play his position. His position just already has guys at it, and the position the team needs is different. Drafting Thybulle thinking you can develop him to be a small-forward after DeRozan and others move on is one thing. Drafting him thinking there's a rotation spot for him is another.

[R. DeMurre]

Sure, but there's nothing to indicate he can hit the three. May as well talk about Poeltl shooting them.

Not really a realistic comparison. Poeltl took one 3pt shoot in his entire college career. Thybulle took 534, and averaged 35.8% for those. He's by no means a knock down shooter, but he's not in the same category as Poeltl. His college 3pt% is closer to Derrick White's than it is to Dejounte Murray's. Kawhi shot 164 threes in college at a 25% rate.

[Gagnrath]

Yeah, I'm not looking for that combo-forward in the 6-8/6-9 range. Rudy Gay's frame is pretty ideal, but dude is too slow to guard on the perimeter, and it's not like he was every a really good defender. I don't think LMA is going to be able to play PF much longer, so getting a seven-footer to play next to him wouldn't be my priority. I think it's a need, especially if that player can play next to bigs against most teams, so I wouldn't be against drafting a mobile center prospect. But I'm looking at Aldridge and Poeltl both as fives, so just bringing over Milutinov or signing a cheap vet fills that role for me. They can always sign yet another two-way guy to be their emergency center depth like they have the past two seasons.

Gay was a pretty damn good sf before he blew his tendon. Between age slowing and injury he has slowed to much for most sf match ups..... He wasn't interested in defense early in his career and played for a bunch of forget one end of the flow and outscor etyem teams.

[Chinook]

Not really a realistic comparison. Poeltl took one 3pt shoot in his entire college career. Thybulle took 534, and averaged 35.8% for those. He's by no means a knock down shooter, but he's not in the same category as Poeltl. His college 3pt% is closer to Derrick White's than it is to Dejounte Murray's. Kawhi shot 164 threes in college at a 25% rate.

Murray and Leonard didn't both have years in college to fix their shot. It may never be too late to learn, but you don't look at a guy missing a really obvious skill at his age and just assume it gets fixed. But the biggest issue against Thybulle is that he isn't just a bad range shooter. He's bad at everything offensive. People say "less-skilled Danny Green" and they think of Spurs Green where he pretty much just shot threes and just think that's how Green always played (or that he was Thybulle-bad offensively until the Spurs fixed him). In reality, Danny was way better offensive player. He scored better, passed better drove better and finished better. Hell, he was a better defensive player too. Thybulle is way closer to Josh Huestis, in the bad way, than he is a legit NBA-level role-player.

Getting off track a bit, but I'm just trying to say that the potential doesn't really seem to be there with this guy. He wasn't a very good player in college. We're not wondering how much of his game will translate, because very little of it was good enough for his level.

[objective]

Drafting him thinking there's a rotation spot for him is another.

Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?

Forget Thybulle for a second ... There's no likely rotation spot for anyone unless they moved up and got DeAndre Hunter or some other lotto pick.

Cam Johnson, Keldon, Herro, Syrvidas, Samanic, Goga, Rui, Doumbaya, Bol, Fernando, Kebengele, Horton-Tucker, Roby, Gafford, Dort, Bassey, Ty Jerome, Carsen Edwards, Dylan Windler, Okeke, etc etc ... I wouldn't expect anyone of those guys to be regular rotation players next season. The lineup is pretty much set.

None of those guys is going to be held in high enough esteem to dislodge LMA-Poeltl at center, Gay-Bertans at PF (presuming they keep Gay), DDR-Marco at SF, or the backcourt foursome of Murray-White-Forbes-Mills, and that's not even counting Walker.

The euros would likely be stashed, the very young parked in the g-league, and the older players either still parked in the g-league or used to replace Pondexter or Cunningham at the end of the bench.

And for me, Thybulle does have appeal in that kind of role. If there's going to be a Pondexter replacement, let it be possibly the best perimeter disrupter in recent college history going back over a decade. Let it be a zone specialist who fills a specialized niche (and I'm not saying his man d is trash either, but he does excel at zone). And can make hustle plays and run well in transition.

It might seem a small return for a first, even at 29, but this draft ain't so hot.

Would I rather Clarke? Yes, I think so, he might be just the type to squeeze into the rotation. I wouldn't bet on it but he might have a better shot than all the other names. I might even prefer Okeke and just take the redshirt. And of course I'd love if a package was put together to go get Hunter.

But how would any of these guys ever play next year anyway except for injuries or Pondexter-ish minutes anyway? Maybe if Gay left there'd be an avenue for a Rui, but who knows?

[Chinook]

Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?

Two things: First, Bertans hasn't locked down a rotation spot. I'm not even sure that Beli has. They both played as much as they did because Murray was out. With him back, there's going to be a chain reaction for the whole roster, not just the PG spot. Second, a lot of Thybulle's proponents want the team to draft him because of what the club needs NOW. They think there's a defensive wing problem and that drafting Matisse will help fix that. But he won't because he isn't going to make the rotation this year. As you noted the best chance that someone has to make the rotation is to be a guy bigger than Bertans but more mobile than Gay. We can talk about how many or which guys can fill that role, but we all know Thybulle does not. If you want to draft Thybulle with 2021 in mind, then you weren't part of the group I was addressing. A lot of people seem to think he'd come in and deserve minutes over Forbes, Mills and Beli. It's not likely.

I believe team does have a hole in their rotation. I'd prefer if they ran Forbes/White/DeRozan/Aldridge as four starters with five of Murray/Mills/Beli/Bertans/Gay/Poeltl forming the bench. I don't want Jakob starting, and I don't all three of Mills, Belinelli and Bertans getting minutes. If Gay moves on, that may happen anyway, but it's not ideal. As for Poeltl, he may start, but then there'd be a rotation spot open for depth big. Maybe Milutinov comes over. But running another pure center doesn't seem smart. Where I think we'd agree is that a new rotation player is much more likely to come out of free agency than the draft. I expect then to try for a better player than Cun this year. I'm hoping that guy won't be a 6-6, 210lb wing though.

[ace3g]

I wonder if Spurs/Pop have asked Dejounte about Matisse.

[R. DeMurre]

Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?



Exactly.

[exstatic]

Murray and Leonard didn't both have years in college to fix their shot. It may never be too late to learn, but you don't look at a guy missing a really obvious skill at his age and just assume it gets fixed. But the biggest issue against Thybulle is that he isn't just a bad range shooter. He's bad at everything offensive. People say "less-skilled Danny Green" and they think of Spurs Green where he pretty much just shot threes and just think that's how Green always played (or that he was Thybulle-bad offensively until the Spurs fixed him). In reality, Danny was way better offensive player. He scored better, passed better drove better and finished better. Hell, he was a better defensive player too. Thybulle is way closer to Josh Huestis, in the bad way, than he is a legit NBA-level role-player.

Getting off track a bit, but I'm just trying to say that the potential doesn't really seem to be there with this guy. He wasn't a very good player in college. We're not wondering how much of his game will translate, because very little of it was good enough for his level.

MT shot 39% from long his first three years, on about 3.9 attempts per contest. He’s also had seasons of 84% and 85% from the FT line, another strong shooting marker. I’d say he projects as a fine 3 point shooter, and to say otherwise is either to not understand how to project shooting or just plain spin.

[EricB]

I know for a fact the Spurs don’t like him.

[DPG21920]

I like the spirit of his game, but I dont feel a pressing need for sa to target him. In the 2nd round? Sure. But I dont see him as someone that is worth fretting over.

[exstatic]

I know for a fact the Spurs don’t like him.

Dude, if you did know anyone in the organization, they know that you post here, and can't keep a confidence. The Spurs draft run-up is one of the tightest ships in the league. Letting out even negative information would be bad. Spurs are not above using disinformation.

[BackHome]

Looking at getting a C/ PF and a SF so Clarke, Louis King, Williams, Goga, Fernando, etc. are way ahead of him for first two picks.

[exstatic]

Looking at getting a C/ PF and a SF so Clarke, Louis King, Williams, Goga, Fernando, etc. are way ahead of him for first two picks.

That would be if the Spurs actually drafted for need over BPA.

[R. DeMurre]

I know for a fact the Spurs don’t like him.

How do you know this?

[Nathan89]

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-understanding-matisse-thybulle/

One of the more interesting players I've seen around our pick tbh. Here's an article that found breaking him down if you are interested.

[ace3g]

Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitationhttps://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-matisse-thybulle-wont-attent-nba-draft-combine-despite-invitiation/

[ZeusWillJudge]

Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitation

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-matisse-thybulle-wont-attent-nba-draft-combine-despite-invitiation/


Wow... both him and Hachimura? Funny thing is, a year ago people were writing articles about Thybulle maybe being undraftable because of his unusual skill set and him being hard to figure.

[Chinook]

People also decline if they think the combine would hurt them. My guess is that Thybulle's steals are his best selling point. No need to damage that by finding out he's 6-4 or sucks at cone drills or something. You really need something to prove to make going to the combine make sense.

[Russ]

Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitationhttps://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-matisse-thybulle-wont-attent-nba-draft-combine-despite-invitiation/

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's gotta know his limitations."

[lmbebo]

Some tweet thinks he has a 1st round pick promise, someone guessed OKC at 21.

[SpurPadre]

But even Bonner went to the combine, tbh.

[Nathan89]

Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitationhttps://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-matisse-thybulle-wont-attent-nba-draft-combine-despite-invitiation/

Pussy move tbh. I'm waiting for the combine results and this is one of the guys I liked.

[exstatic]

Wow... both him and Hachimura? Funny thing is, a year ago people were writing articles about Thybulle maybe being undraftable because of his unusual skill set and him being hard to figure.

My quick guess is that they both have first round promises that they are happy with, and why risk injury?

[DPG21920]

Good, I don’t want SA taking him with a first round pick anyways so hopefully someone else does. One guy gone that I didn’t want.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

People also decline if they think the combine would hurt them. My guess is that Thybulle's steals are his best selling point. No need to damage that by finding out he's 6-4 or sucks at cone drills or something. You really need something to prove to make going to the combine make sense.

I understand if some agents don't provide medical reports, as it's personal, but who would they fool by claiming a player's taller than expected or something like that? After all these players go and work out for teams so they'll know everything they'll need about the physical measurements.

[ZeusWillJudge]

People also decline if they think the combine would hurt them. My guess is that Thybulle's steals are his best selling point. No need to damage that by finding out he's 6-4 or sucks at cone drills or something. You really need something to prove to make going to the combine make sense.


That's a damn good point.

I really liked him when I thought he was going to be a second round sleeper. But then he started getting a LOT of hype. Then I started hearing some rumblings from people I trust that he was getting an unnatural amount of hype - like someone was hired to promote him. You never know about stuff like that, but there are a few people this year who are getting more coverage than I think they deserve. In the age of social media, you have to leave room for the possibility.

Anyway, right now there appear to be teams thinking how much they would like a defensive specialist. If he busts on most other things at the combine, they might start considering the cost of taking a one-dimensional player with a first round pick. I know that's not why Hachimura is skipping the combine, but it sure could be the thinking by Thybulle's agent.

[R. DeMurre]

I think the coverage on Thybulle has been fair. The things he accomplished were all newsworthy: breaking Jason Kidd's single season steals record, breaking Gary Payton's career steals record, being the first player in 20 years to average 3+ steals and 2+ blocks per game, winning Pac 12 DPOY for the second straight season... these are the kind of basketball articles I actually want to see rather than the typical highlights of whoever had dunks in a game. But it is interesting that his teammate Jaylen Nowell has had less coverage despite being named Pac 12 Player of the Year, with 16/5/3 & shooting 44% from three.

[DesignatedT]

I'd take him at 29. Great defender. Didn't shoot great from 3 but seems to have good mechanics. Prototypical 3 & D player. His defense alone warrants a late first rounder IMO.

[SilverSpur]

Take him in second round after we get Brandon Clarke and Cam Johnson in the first

[look_at_g_shred]

Take him in second round after we get Brandon Clarke and Cam Johnson in the first
He’ll be long gone by 49. Spurs would have to buy a 2nd.

[exstatic]

He’ll be long gone by 49. Spurs would have to buy a 2nd.

He’ll likely be gone by 29. Heskipped thecombine, so somebody made him a first round promise. Lots of mocks have him going mid 20s.

[BatManu20]

He won’t be a Spur.

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[Dejounte]

He won’t be a Spur.

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I am glad. This means someone drops down to our 29th.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Thybulle, but I don't get OKC wanting him-- they're in desperate need of shooters and already have a pretty good defense. I guess they picture him replacing Roberson. Strange choice though, still. The team I really hope doesn't land him is Golden State. A Draymond/Thybulle/Klay/Steph line up could be terrifying.

[kobyz]

He won’t be a Spur.

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smoke screen!

[timvp]

IMO, Thybulle to Thunder is just a guess because Presti has gone after similar players in the past. I'd be surprised if it's in stone.

[Degoat]

OKC is crazy, they should be targeting cam Johnson with their pick they desperately need shooters

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Like the last few folks have stated already I doubt OKC would draft this guy when they already have similar players currently on the roster.

If I was them I would be trying to find another guy who could create their own shot, specifically at the 2 or 3. Maybe even a decent sized point guard who can shoot so he can share the back court with Westbrook. Then maybe Donovan can have Russell play off the ball more.

[R. DeMurre]

The irony is that even with an at best average three point shot, Thybulle would probably be a better three point shooter than Westbrook.

[Seventyniner]

IMO, Thybulle to Thunder is just a guess because Presti has gone after similar players in the past. I'd be surprised if it's in stone.

Roberson, Huestis, Thybulle. Definitely a pattern. _ & D. I wonder if they would give up the farm for Dejounte?

[duncan2150]

Jabari Young: One player I’m hearing #Spurs are intrigued with is Matisse Thybulle out of Washington… played with Dejounte for 1 season at the school, so there is some connection there…. I’m told he’s not working out for teams at the moment though. (https://hoopshype.com/social/)#NBADraft @TheAthleticNBA

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/RedTeamScouting/status/1134460984989495296

https://twitter.com/RedTeamScouting/status/1134462469542436865

click link to see full thread

[Degoat]

I guess according to Jabari young were not the team that promised him that we would draft him, good news I guess lol

[CGD]

I don’t know, from a roster construction point of view, I think he’d be a great pick up for the much needed 3/D role. You have to think the spurs offense will primary feature some combo of White, Lonnie, and Murray. A Roberson type (with a shot!) would make a lot of sense. He also has that coveted “high motor” thing going.

[Dejounte]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to draft this guy. He has more hops than Green. I also feel his defense is more anticipatory than Green is (kinda like how Murray and Kawhi are), whereas Green is good at defense because he stays in front of his man. I think since our defense is where we are lacking the most, Thybulle has to be a target. Then with the second first rd pick, you target someone with boom potential to be a 2-way player (Samanic and Bazley). We have got to make sure we get at least one player that can play defense really well. We cant just rely on Dejounte and Derrick on defense all the time. I think Roby's defense is underrated and I would put him on the same level as Thybulle.

1a. Samanic
1b. Bazley
2a. Thybulle
2b. Roby
3. Claxton
4. Paschall
5. Grant Williams
6. Charles Matthews

[timvp]

Could the Spurs have promised Thybulle? I don't think it's likely ... but I don't think there's a zero percent chance, either. Thybulle's agent is the twin brother of DeMar DeRozan's agent -- so at least there's a little bit of a connection. IMO, promising 29 to Thybulle would have been enough for him to shut everything down and go into hiding. That's guaranteed money on a team that could use a plug-and-play defender.

The main reason I don't think it's very likely is that he's not a seamless fit. Thybulle might be more of a SG, which is already packed with players needing minutes. The Spurs also supposedly got rid of Danny Green because they thought he was too limited offensively. Considering that Thybulle will at best be a more offensively limited Green, the logic doesn't connected, IMO.

[bigfan]

The only Matisse worth having is a Rickman.

[timvp]

Thybulle in the green room. That means he's a lock to go in the first round. (Since 2014, only one player in the green room dropped to the second round ... and he was the first pick of the second round.)

Local media lists the Spurs first as possible teams that promised him:


Thybulle has reportedly been linked with teams at the bottom of the first round, including San Antonio, which has picks 19 and 29

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/allen-uw-draft-advance-where-will-matisse-thybulle-and-jaylen-nowell-end-up/

And is this a silver and black suit, tbh? :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9iB61aWwAwMQ2p.jpg

[objective]

mystery solved, his promise was from the 76ers

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Boston apparently forced Philly into a trade

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[R. DeMurre]

So far, Thybulle's game is translating well... In four preseason games he has racked up 12 steals and 6 blocks while only playing 19 minutes per game. His +/- is +55 after 4 games, and his DRtg is an incredible 82.7. If this continues, he'll live up to those "generational defensive player" accolades.

[exstatic]

So far, Thybulle's game is translating well... In four preseason games he has racked up 12 steals and 6 blocks while only playing 19 minutes per game. His +/- is +55 after 4 games, and his DRtg is an incredible 82.7. If this continues, he'll live up to those "generational defensive player" accolades.

I love his defense. He'll have to shoot to play, though. Philly already has enough guys who don't shoot well, and they lost Reddick to N.O. this summer. I think one of the stat wonks said that he only needs to shoot like 35% from 3 to offset the lack of any other offense. He has the ability to shoot, but my guess is that teams will just run him off the line, like DVerde. They both are really lost once they put the ball on the floor.

[Russ]

I love his defense. He'll have to shoot to play, though. Philly already has enough guys who don't shoot well, and they lost Reddick to N.O. this summer.

That's why the Spurs may be able to trade Patty Mills to the Sixers mid-season.

Philly is ready to go for it bigtime but they very badly lack outside shooting. There's no tomorrow for them.

Brett Brown knows Mills and the Spurs connection may work for both teams -- perhaps even a 1st round pick for Mills if they get desperate enough (remember Philly's 1st round pick will be be pretty low).

[SpurPadre]

That's why the Spurs may be able to trade Patty Mills to the Sixers mid-season.

Philly is ready to go for it bigtime but they very badly lack outside shooting. There's no tomorrow for them.

Brett Brown knows Mills and the Spurs connection may work for both teams -- perhaps even a 1st round pick for Mills if they get desperate enough (remember Philly's 1st round pick will be be pretty low).

Load Management got us a low 1st round pick and you think Mills will get us a better pick?

[ZeusWillJudge]

There's a lot better chance of teaching Thybulle to shoot than teaching Patty to be a point guard. Not to mention the fact that Patty is due $26M over the next two seasons, and Thybulle is due about $5M.

[Killakobe81]

The kid looks promising as a future 3 and D guy..
Even if his shot does not develop he can still help a team by defending elite wings for shorter stretches if paired with shooters.