Rui Hachimura - 2019 NBA Draft Prospect

[Chinook]

If Walker will be asked to defend threes, could that mean PATFO won't target a SF at the draft?

I don't think they're worried about the three at all. I think they're fine with DeRozan starting and Beli/Walker/Bertans/Gay taking the rest of the minutes. I do think they'll look at forwards though because the team doesn't have any on the roster who are signed after next year besides Metu. If they draft someone like Hachimura or Cam Johnson, I think they'll pay lip service to the idea of them playing SF but they'll play them almost exclusively at PF.

[John B]

Ironically, I heard just today that Walker has gained ten pounds of muscle already this offseason. The Spurs wanted him to gain 15 pounds of muscle over the summer and he's already 2/3rds of the way there...
Can they ask the same from Murray. I mean the guy’s legs are begging to get broken.

[cd021]

If Walker will be asked to defend threes, could that mean PATFO won't target a SF at the draft?

I don't know about all that. Spurs still have long term needs at the 3-4-5. I would expect them to use both picks on those three positions.

[EricB]

I wonder if PAFTO like Rui over Luka Samanic. If they are both available, my gut tells me they prefer the latter.


Rui is 1A. He’s the target.

[EricB]

Ironically, I heard just today that Walker has gained ten pounds of muscle already this offseason. The Spurs wanted him to gain 15 pounds of muscle over the summer and he's already 2/3rds of the way there...

He just the other day took a selfie showing this and showed his weight on the scale being about 10 lbs higher. Walker works, he just doesn’t show it like Murray.

[Down Under]

I hope they at least try & get into the lottery for Brandon Clarke.

[r0drig0lac]

If Walker will be asked to defend threes, could that mean PATFO won't target a SF at the draft?

then we will have a player in a condition where he will be undersized instead of using a natural player of the position, great.

[ceperez]

If Walker will be asked to defend threes, could that mean PATFO won't target a SF at the draft?

Spurs have 5 guards already in the roster: Mills, Forbes, White, Murray and Walker. Do the Spurs need more?

I think this year's draft is one of the unusual ones that you can get an athletic big (Claxton, Roby, Fernando etc) in the late 20s.

[Trueblood]

Spurs have 5 guards already in the roster: Mills, Forbes, White, Murray and Walker. Do the Spurs need more?

I think this year's draft is one of the unusual ones that you can get an athletic big (Claxton, Roby, Fernando etc) in the late 20s.

Don't forget DDR. He's been playing the 3 but his natural position is the 2. That gives us 6 natural guards. I do believe it's time for a trade...

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop just loves to play players out of position. He does it every year

[ace3g]

Pop just loves to play players out of position. He does it every year

Yep, Pop has been the pioneer for the wrong version of position-less basketball...

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Can they ask the same from Murray. I mean the guy’s legs are begging to get broken.

They probably do, but he just has a high metabolism and struggles to put on muscle

[Boomersgold]

Hachimura > Mills confirmed

Mills didn't play but Hachimura > Maker (and Dellavedova) confirmed

[phxspurfan]

Rui Hoochiemama, the Japanese Tyler Hansbrough

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgrQaXeETE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UI2qXD-F0

[exstatic]

Rui Hoochiemama, the Japanese Tyler Hansbrough

OK, that was fucking funny.

[Blackhaus]

Rui Hoochiemama, the Japanese Tyler Hansbrough

Its such a terrible take though

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgaz4GPOago&t=106s

[cutewizard]

Check this out guys:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHoYnuMLZQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vTGoG53bF4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYnLxrs4W8

[cutewizard]

Was Sabonis the most skilled center to ever play the game?????

Wow!!!!!

[cutewizard]

My favorite players now include:

Chamberlain
Manu
Sabonis
Olajuwon
Pressey

[cutewizard]

Reverse dunk????????

Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

Was that the Admiral denied twice by the powerful blocks of Sabonis????

[cutewizard]

Sabonis at center

Nowitzki and Durant at forwards

Pressey and Pippen at guards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

Im now set, my favorite centers are Chamberlain and Sabonis!!!!!!!!!!

And then my power forwards are Olajuwon and Russell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My shooting forwards are Durant and Nowitzki!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgrQaXeETE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA_ERCTlovs

[phxspurfan]

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[phxspurfan]

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[FkLA]

I am going to be fucking floored if we don't land Rui. Every single time I rewatch his vids I see a star, tbh.

[DPG21920]

I am going to be fucking floored if we don't land Rui. Every single time I rewatch his vids I see a star, tbh.

I think you need to temper expectations some. He really is a poor defender. It’s a big deal how bad he is on that end. There is always hope, but it’s not like his offense is SO good you can just completely overlook the defensive issues and awareness. The more I read, the LESS I feel confident even if I really want him to work.

[FkLA]

I think you need to temper expectations some. He really is a poor defender. It’s a big deal how bad he is on that end. There is always hope, but it’s not like his offense is SO good you can just completely overlook the defensive issues and awareness. The more I read, the LESS I feel confident even if I really want him to work.

Was he really considered that bad of a defender in college? I don't really watch college basketball.

I'm basing everything on highlight videos, but he looks like he could easily be an above average defender to me. He has the physical tools, he doesn't seem like a dumb kid, and the Spurs system always helps. I'm having a tough time picturing him being a liability on that end. The full Gonzaga/Duke game is available on YT, will probably watch it before draft day. Hopefully his defense isn't that disappointing.

[DPG21920]

Was he really considered that bad of a defender in college? I don't really watch college basketball.

I'm basing everything on highlight videos, but he looks like he could easily be an above average defender to me. He has the physical tools, he doesn't seem like a dumb kid, and the Spurs system always helps. I'm having a tough time picturing him being a liability on that end. The full Gonzaga/Duke game is available on YT, will probably watch it before draft day. Hopefully his defense isn't that disappointing.

It’s the sole reason he’s like a tier 4 player on the majority of people’s draft boards. He’s not good on man defense and really bad in team defense settings. Not sure if it’s the language thing or just really bad instincts but it’s a consistent knock on him pretty much no matter who you read.

[Chinook]

It’s the sole reason he’s like a tier 4 player on the majority of people’s draft boards. He’s not good on man defense and really bad in team defense settings. Not sure if it’s the language thing or just really bad instincts but it’s a consistent knock on him pretty much no matter who you read.

I still don't think you pass on him though. He already has an NBA body, so you don't have to spend the first year with him just putting on weight and adding strength like you did with Murray. If your biggest goal is to get a forward stopper, then maybe you pass. If the goal is the get the best player for the future, it's really hard to see other players who will be better also around at 19. There are a couple of candidates, and I trust PATFO if they go with one of those, but really you don't pass on him just because he needs work on D.

[DPG21920]

I still don't think you pass on him though. He already has an NBA body, so you don't have to spend the first year with him just putting on weight and adding strength like you did with Murray. If your biggest goal is to get a forward stopper, then maybe you pass. If the goal is the get the best player for the future, it's really hard to see other players who will be better also around at 19. There are a couple of candidates, and I trust PATFO if they go with one of those, but really you don't pass on him just because he needs work on D.

Depends on who is there..I agree at 19 you don’t automatically pass and he’s on my top 6-7 guys I really want list (that I just posted). I was just making a specific point to FkLA about him seeing a surefire star and what the consensus is right now.

It would be one thing if he had this surefire nba offensive game but the flaws on defense. Even his offense right now is not some bankable thing.

But I’m not drafting Rui over Clarke, Hayes, Sekou or PJ Washington (that one is closer) IMO

[pad300]

Depends on who is there..I agree at 19 you don’t automatically pass and he’s on my top 6-7 guys I really want list (that I just posted). I was just making a specific point to FkLA about him seeing a surefire star and what the consensus is right now.

It would be one thing if he had this surefire nba offensive game but the flaws on defense. Even his offense right now is not some bankable thing.

But I’m not drafting Rui over Clarke, Hayes, Sekou or PJ Washington (that one is closer) IMO

I'd add Goga and Claxton to that list... I would debate Kabengele and Bol Bol (each for different reasons of course).

[Chinook]

Depends on who is there..I agree at 19 you don’t automatically pass and he’s on my top 6-7 guys I really want list (that I just posted). I was just making a specific point to FkLA about him seeing a surefire star and what the consensus is right now.

It would be one thing if he had this surefire nba offensive game but the flaws on defense. Even his offense right now is not some bankable thing.

But I’m not drafting Rui over Clarke, Hayes, Sekou or PJ Washington (that one is closer) IMO

I only have Clarke higher. If Hach had a "surefire offensive game", he'd be a top-five pick. We're not debating him vs Hunter or Barrett here. If PATFO drafted Doumbouya or Hayes or even Bazley over Rui, I would defer to their judgment. They'll be the ones developing 19, at least initially, so their opinions on whom they can improve matter more than just who has the highest ceiling in a vacuum. It's more that you can teach defense. Hachimura has the body for it. If you want a right-away defender, those will be available later in the draft or in free agency.

[DPG21920]

I only have Clarke higher. If Hach had a "surefire offensive game", he'd be a top-five pick. We're not debating him vs Hunter or Barrett here. If PATFO drafted Doumbouya or Hayes or even Bazley over Rui, I would defer to their judgment. They'll be the ones developing 19, at least initially, so their opinions on whom they can improve matter more than just who has the highest ceiling in a vacuum. It's more that you can teach defense. Hachimura has the body for it. If you want a right-away defender, those will be available later in the draft or in free agency.

Sure - but a lot of what I’ve read seems to be a huge question mark on whether or not you can even teach Rui defense. That’s how tough it’s been.

But yeah, I agree mostly, was just saying that there are a lot of people that have Rui much lower as a prospect than fans do.

[BatManu20]

Rui will be long gone by 19. Unless Spurs move up, it ain't happenin’.

[FkLA]

Clarke has really grown on me as of late, I probably have him as my #2 (and can see why others would have him as their top guy). Hayes I could also see if it was in a vacuum, but with Poetl in the picture it makes the decision much easier for me. Most of the other guys being mentioned aren't even in his class, imo. That sloth Goga for example, it's mind boggling to me that someone would take him over Rui even if we ignored the fact that Rui plays a bigger position of need.

[DPG21920]

Working on my Big Board :reading

Got dayum man, how big is that board? It’s 3 days before the draft!

[Dverde]

He will be great or a bust. I think it all depends where he is drafted. I hope the Spurs get him.

[EricB]

Airy a guy as talented and athletic and smart as Rui, defense can be taught. The stuff he does athletically with the ball cant.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think his defensive issues are fixable. The main thing is that he's out of position a lot and that is definitely teachable. The physical tools are there and he has proven himself on the international stage already with the national team. He has also played extremely well against Zion, so I think it's safe to say his strenghts will translate to the NBA. The question is can you fix his weaknesses

[Dverde]

He also appears to that guy who all the Spursfans want to draft, he gets drafts before the Spurs pick, turns out to be a scrub, everyone immediately forgets they wanted to draft him.

[cd021]

Haven't rewatched his clips since my first viewing but he reminded me a lot of Gay. He's a 4 in today's NBA and depending on how his 3 ball shakes out, a very good one.

[timvp]

Vecenie at The Athletic is now hypothesizing that it was the Spurs who promised to pick Rui. I think that's a possibility.

1) Rui's favorite team is the Spurs. Wasserman, his agency, has a history of directing players to their preferred destination.
2) The Spurs heavily scouted Gonzaga this season (had scouts embedded in their practices).
3) A former scout for the Spurs and former Argentina national team coach, Julio Lamas, coached Rui on the Japan national team.
3) The promise appears to have been made before the lottery order was determined, so that tells me it was a non-lottery team that made the promise.
4) Fit-wise, Rui makes a whole lot of sense. No matter what he develops into (giant wing, scoring big, hustle big, bench spark), the Spurs don't have any young players blocking the path.
5) Rui has said he's a Pop fan and pointed to San Antonio's successful history with international players.
6) Spurs are one of the few teams that have a history of making promises.



Hmmmmm.........

[Dejounte]

*vomits

[TD 21]

Within' the last few weeks, a new poster or alt claimed (might have even been in this thread, but I'm not wasting time sifting through it) that the Spurs were looking to move up and he was their target.

Wouldn't be a surprise. Not only fits the big wing need (albeit not the 3 and D style) but fits the background we know they intentionally covet. It's stereotypical, but often true of mixed players, particularly foreign ones: physical tools of black Americans, without the issues that accompanies many of them that's borne of the flawed system they grow up in.

[timvp]

https://ar.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2019-quien-es-rui-hachimura-japon-julio-lamas/hq88lnccnk5s1t5t40nusdgpw

My Argentine is rusty but looks like Lamas is high on Rui.

[exstatic]

Within' the last few weeks, a new poster or alt claimed (might have even been in this thread, but I'm not wasting time sifting through it) that the Spurs were looking to move up and he was their target.

Wouldn't be a surprise. Not only fits the big wing need (albeit not the 3 and D style) but fits the background we know they intentionally covet. It's stereotypical, but often true of mixed players, particularly foreign ones: physical tools of black Americans, without the issues that accompanies many of them that's borne of the flawed system they grow up in.

I think SA is moving up for someone. There's just too much smoke for there to be no fire. Way more talk about it that I've ever heard in the runup to the draft. DeRozan attends USA*Basketball camp last year, just to practice, but this year, with an actual tournament with Medals in September, he's a not going?

[BD24]

Would be pretty pumped if we were able to land him tbh

[timvp]

MKVFFSZ31UQ

That's a fair look at his strengths and weaknesses.

IMO, a lot of his weaknesses are fixable. Pop isn't going to let him disengage defensively or miss wide open teammates.

His tools alone make him a good pick at 19. Internet scouts are low on him (most Big Boards have him somewhere between like 20 and 40) and they all think he can only play PF ... but I think he could possibly play SF and think his ceiling is pretty damn high. He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

[Genovaswitness]

I see all these other teams trying to get better and we’re offering cripple gay 20 mil a year. fuck PATFO

[Spurs fever]

I have a feeling we'll all be disappointed tomorrow. I hope I'm wrong.... :(

[gilmor2002]

MKVFFSZ31UQ

That's a fair look at his strengths and weaknesses.

IMO, a lot of his weaknesses are fixable. Pop isn't going to let him disengage defensively or miss wide open teammates.

His tools alone make him a good pick at 19. Internet scouts are low on him (most Big Boards have him somewhere between like 20 and 40) and they all think he can only play PF ... but I think he could possibly play SF and think his ceiling is pretty damn high. He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

the Kawhi now is virtually being molded by Pop. Pop injects the confidence in him and told him straight in the face that he is the best player in the League.

[FkLA]

He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

He'll be Nephew-lite IF he ends up here, imo.


Would be pretty pumped if we were able to land him tbh

I'll buy his jersey tomorrow if we draft him, tbh.

[Collins21]

If PATFO lands Rui to me that makes up for all the shitty decisions they have made recently. I have a good feeling about this dude and adding him to a core of White, Murray and Walker makes me very excited for the future.

[Blackhaus]

If PATFO lands Rui to me that makes up for all the shitty decisions they have made recently. I have a good feeling about this dude and adding him to a core of White, Murray and Walker makes me very excited for the future.

This

[Genovaswitness]

Hachimura comes here and it’s a day 1 jersey buy tbh

[Mugen]

He's going in the lottery so the Spurs better find a way into the 10-14 range if they actually like him. No way he lasts until 19.

[Mugen]

He'd be a good fit on any of the teams drafting from 9-15 tbh, gonna be really tough.

[playblair]

MKVFFSZ31UQ

but I think he could possibly play SF and think his ceiling is pretty damn high. He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

wtf ..........kawhi was a jump shot away from being the best player in his draft its the only reason he dropped..........anyone who watched kawhi at sdsu knew his boards/points/defense double doubles would translate to the nba..................hachimora is a kawhi clone

[Dejounte]

This dude is overhyped as hell and will be forgotten in four years. Reminds me so much of Rodney Carney who was drafted 15th(?). Kawhi clone? Lmao yall throw that word freely around here.

[phxspurfan]

lol physical specimen.


The Japanese Tyler Hansbrough. Good in college, won't be shit against NBA competition/athletes

[phxspurfan]

He's basically 2019 Al Thornton

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/al-thornton

[childishbambi]

MKVFFSZ31UQ

That's a fair look at his strengths and weaknesses.

IMO, a lot of his weaknesses are fixable. Pop isn't going to let him disengage defensively or miss wide open teammates.

His tools alone make him a good pick at 19. Internet scouts are low on him (most Big Boards have him somewhere between like 20 and 40) and they all think he can only play PF ... but I think he could possibly play SF and think his ceiling is pretty damn high. He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

Hate it. Reminds me of westbrook.

[EricB]

MKVFFSZ31UQ

That's a fair look at his strengths and weaknesses.

IMO, a lot of his weaknesses are fixable. Pop isn't going to let him disengage defensively or miss wide open teammates.

His tools alone make him a good pick at 19. Internet scouts are low on him (most Big Boards have him somewhere between like 20 and 40) and they all think he can only play PF ... but I think he could possibly play SF and think his ceiling is pretty damn high. He's not going to be Kawhi ... but, then again, Kawhi wasn't supposed to be Kawhi, either.

His form and jumper at his age area already ahead of where Kawhi was. Defense isn’t, but that’s only because Rui isn’t as offensively challenged as Kawhi. All his weakness can be fixed in the matter of a season or two. This guy is the real deal. Fingers crossed he lands in SA.

[szkorhetz]

Rui will be a top 10 pick, get down from the hype-train.

[look_at_g_shred]

Most of his weaknesses can be fixed. I'm not worried about his defense, he'll make strides in that area on a pop led team. It can be masked too while he's learning with white/murray & lma/ jakob behind him

[Dverde]

One more day to dream before he gets drafted before our pick and ends up a scrub.

[RC_Drunkford]

lol physical specimen.


The Japanese Tyler Hansbrough. Good in college, won't be shit against NBA competition/athletes

He shitted on the Australian national team which has a few NBA athletes on it. So it's safe to say a lot of his game will translate

[manufan10]

NBA TV mocked him at 12 to Charlotte. Spurs will have to move up to snag him, imo.

[Realdeal1]

Would love him on the Spurs but expect to be disappointed...no way he’s available at 19

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Rui might fall in the draft. Not sure if to 19, but it seems a lot of other players have gained hype will his went down

[sasaint]

He's going in the lottery so the Spurs better find a way into the 10-14 range if they actually like him. No way he lasts until 19.

This.

[look_at_g_shred]

Minny's 11th and covington/dieng for 19+demar

[sasaint]

Minny's 11th and covington/dieng for 19+demar

I don't think that Minny would do that. And I don't think PATFO has the boldness to offer it. But we can dream for another 9-10 hours. I would even throw in 29 to get it done.

[buujness]

I have a feeling we'll all be disappointed tomorrow. I hope I'm wrong.... :(Honestly, Spurs fans' opinions on this draft are all over the place. No matter what happens, some of us will be happy.

[timvp]

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Starting to look like Rui to Hornets at 12, tbh.

[slick'81]

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Starting to look like Rui to Hornets at 12, tbh.

:cry

[TimDunkem]

He isn't coming here, people.

[cool cat]

The guy is going top 10 for sure, no way we are getting him.

Called it.

[SpurPadre]

Fuck him, tbh.

[superbigtime]

damn

[slick'81]

The pipe dream ends

[timvp]

RIP.

[ceperez]

Gone.

[Boomersgold]

Some draft experts had him going in the late 20s citing bad defense. What were they smoking?

[TimDunkem]

Some draft experts had him going in the late 20s citing bad defense. What were they smoking?

What was ST smoking? The whole forum is cutting it's wrists right now as if they ever had a chance at a lottery level talent. :lol

[Poolboy5623]

Close...only 10 picks off lol

[childishbambi]

Some draft experts had him going in the late 20s citing bad defense. What were they smoking?

It's terrible. It's webrook-like. It's the kind of shit defense people get angry at Rudy and Derozan and Harden. That's something to dread having on your team when the game has sped up and the opposing best players are typically wings.

[Kurgan]

Yeah, missing out on Rui isn't the end of the world. He's pretty old for a prospect, kinda one-dimensional and doesn't do anything all that well besides scoring. Three-point shooting, passing, defense...non-existent. Rebounding is nowhere near Kawhi level. He's a good candidate for bust of the draft.

[Boomersgold]

Damn, we're comparing him to Westbrook, Prime Rudy, Derozan and Harden? Wiz drafted him at 9. That ain't too bad

[Spurtacular]

Close...only 10 picks off lol

That he went top ten was a bit of a surprise, tbh. I don't remember one mock draft having him top ten. Many didn't have him top fifteen.

[kobyz]

he doesn't fall past minnesota at #11, and most probably a top 10 pick...

[kobyz]

i''m willing to give lonnie and #19 in order to move up and get this guy...
Too bad we didn't go for it, now with having Johnson it would have make giving up Walker very easy, Johnson is better prospect at same position...

[NickiRasgo]

Yeah, missing out on Rui isn't the end of the world. He's pretty old for a prospect, kinda one-dimensional and doesn't do anything all that well besides scoring. Three-point shooting, passing, defense...non-existent. Rebounding is nowhere near Kawhi level. He's a good candidate for bust of the draft.

Agreed. If he's available at @ 19th, you take him but if you're gonna give up too much just to move up in the draft, it's not worth it.

[John B]

He’s too much featured, compared to newly champ Kawhi, first guy from Japan in lottery. I mean this guy was never going to fall to 19

[ZeusWillJudge]

That he went top ten was a bit of a surprise, tbh. I don't remember one mock draft having him top ten. Many didn't have him top fifteen.


The mocks this year were pathetic. Maybe they're always that bad, and it just bugged me more this year for some reason. But pretty late in the process, I saw someone in the top 10 on one mock, and well down into the 30's on another. People were calling Bol Bol in the top 10, and he damn near went undrafted (If Miami hadn't taken him, he could have.) That tells me that the hype fooled the shit out of the "analysts" but not the GM's of NBA teams.

The post draft analysis has been just as stupid. I read one article that gave Phoenix an F for their draft grade - and they said they considered giving them a G. The next one I read gave them a solid B. Don't think these guys know anything just because they write articles for a website.

[Spurtacular]

The mocks this year were pathetic. Maybe they're always that bad, and it just bugged me more this year for some reason. But pretty late in the process, I saw someone in the top 10 on one mock, and well down into the 30's on another. People were calling Bol Bol in the top 10, and he damn near went undrafted (If Miami hadn't taken him, he could have.) That tells me that the hype fooled the shit out of the "analysts" but not the GM's of NBA teams.

The post draft analysis has been just as stupid. I read one article that gave Phoenix an F for their draft grade - and they said they considered giving them a G. The next one I read gave them a solid B. Don't think these guys know anything just because they write articles for a website.

Yea, lots of corporate cucks nowadays. You can't expect much from the watered down media. Though mock drafts in the NBA tend to be a crap shoot after about the first five picks. I expected Rui to go between 12 and 15. Their was no noise on someone reaching for Rui in the top ten. My hope was that if the teams in that range that were interested didn't draft him, then 16-18 wouldn't deviate from their plans and we'd get the steal of the draft.

[Spurtacular]

I was high on this guy; and he's frankly having a decent season for a rookie. But that .241 3FG making me think it's not so bad we didn't get Rui.

[Darius Bieber]

I was high on this guy; and he's frankly having a decent season for a rookie. But that .241 3FG making me think it's not so bad we didn't get Rui.

He’s giving the Wizards more than Luka is giving the Spurs this season.

[Spurtacular]

He’s giving the Wizards more than Luka is giving the Spurs this season.

You might have me confused with a Pop sniffer.

[Prose]

He’s giving the Wizards more than Luka is giving the Spurs this season.

[Drom John]

Hachimura is one of about two handfuls of starters that is playing worse than Bryn Forbes.

[Russ]

Hachimura is one of about two handfuls of starters that is playing worse than Bryn Forbes.

He’s giving the Wizards more than Luka is giving the Spurs this season.

Hachimura also went 10 spots ahead of the Spurs' highest pick (Luka) last June. So it's kind of an academic discussion.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This dude sucks. Turn the page.




We'll probably give him a 2-year $30MM deal when his rookie contract expires.

[baseline bum]

Forgot this motherfucker is 22 already. I was thinking he was 19 or 20 with the potential to improve.

[TimDunkem]

Forgot this motherfucker is 22 already. I was thinking he was 19 or 20 with the potential to improve.

Like back in the day when you said MKG had more potential than Kawhi? :lol

[baseline bum]

Like back in the day when you said MKG had more potential than Kawhi? :lol

MKG and Kawhi had the same holes in their games at the time.

[south side spur]

I forgot how much buzz Hachimura generated in this forum. Any interest in taking advantage of the Lakers financial situation? This hack seems to think he’ll return to the Lakers at 3 years 33 million?
https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/writer-predicts-la-re-signs-rui-hachimura-to-reasonable-3-year-deal-this-offseason-mw1996


Looking at his entire playoff run, he tallied 12.2 points and 3.6 rebounds per game while showcasing his defensive versatility, particularly in the Nuggets series.

Even though Los Angeles fell to Denver, Hachimura proved himself capable of guarding the Nuggets two-time MVP center Nikola Jokic, enabling Anthony Davis to rotate easier and attack the boards.

In addition to that, Hachimura became a reliable perimeter option for the Lakers, shooting at a 49 percent clip from deep and helping to patch a whole that Los Angeles needed to fill.
He’s already 25 but he was one of the few Lakers who was consistent these playoffs. I can see some positives starting with replacing KBD. 3 years 45 million?

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are facing a massive roster crunch that will get even worse in the next years. Paying for marginal talent doesn't really make sense, imo.

[JPB]

I forgot how much buzz Hachimura generated in this forum. Any interest in taking advantage of the Lakers financial situation? This hack seems to think he’ll return to the Lakers at 3 years 33 million?
https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/writer-predicts-la-re-signs-rui-hachimura-to-reasonable-3-year-deal-this-offseason-mw1996


He’s already 25 but he was one of the few Lakers who was consistent these playoffs. I can see some positives starting with replacing KBD. 3 years 45 million?


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[baseline bum]

Meh no thanks. You're going to play him over Sochan or something?

[south side spur]

Meh no thanks. You're going to play him over Sochan or something?

Nahhhh not over Sochan but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to play together. Hopefully he would accept a role off the bench like he did in LA. I’m not saying he’s a Jokic stopper but he seems to be at least an option when defending Jokic. Wembanyama won’t be asked to defend Jokic right? Especially the way he’s allowed to play. I just recently started examining his offensive game and he’s allowed to hook and chicken wing defenders almost every possession. I doubt they’ll ask Wembanyama to have any part of that ridiculousness. I was just thinking it was time to upgrade from KBD. He gets way too much time in the rotation. It seems like Pop views him as an Elie or Bowen type.

[CGD]

Nah, this is the year to rent capspace for a super distant FRP. Keep powder dry for next year

[baseline bum]

Nahhhh not over Sochan but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to play together. Hopefully he would accept a role off the bench like he did in LA. I’m not saying he’s a Jokic stopper but he seems to be at least an option when defending Jokic. Wembanyama won’t be asked to defend Jokic right? Especially the way he’s allowed to play. I just recently started examining his offensive game and he’s allowed to hook and chicken wing defenders almost every possession. I doubt they’ll ask Wembanyama to have any part of that ridiculousness. I was just thinking it was time to upgrade from KBD. He gets way too much time in the rotation. It seems like Pop views him as an Elie or Bowen type.

You're not paying $15 million a year for another bench guy in a league with a luxury tax as punitive as it becomes starting next season. Hell they're probably be forced to trade Keldon since can't see Sochan as the point.

[south side spur]

The Spurs are facing a massive roster crunch that will get even worse in the next years. Paying for marginal talent doesn't really make sense, imo.

Don’t you think most of these upcoming draft picks will be spending years in Austin? Obviously unless they hit on a few but there’s no rush to bring these kids up immediately. If the Charlotte pick conveys next season, which is up in the air, that pick and the Toronto pick will both spend their seasons in Austin, along with the Spurs draft pick which I don’t think will be in the lottery. I just hope there’s no more need for KBD types with the salary cap situation being what it is. I hear you on not throwing money away I just think it would be smart financially because he could improve the bench immediately and wouldn’t cost much. I liked what I saw with his two way ability these playoffs.

[south side spur]

Nah, this is the year to rent capspace for a super distant FRP. Keep powder dry for next year

That sounds great but if the Lakers wouldn’t trade either their ‘27 or ‘29 picks for us to take on Westbrook is that plan even realistic? Maybe it was just not wanting to deal with a rival just like the Kawhi fiasco. I know what you mean though there’s no need to panic but I don’t see signing a young player to a bargain contract that improves the rotation as rushing anything just being opportunistic.

[spurraider21]

You're not paying $15 million a year for another bench guy in a league with a luxury tax as punitive as it becomes starting next season. Hell they're probably be forced to trade Keldon since can't see Sochan as the point.
spurs arent going to approach the tax until wemby gets his big contract 4 years from now

as long as you are signing young-ish guys, they are movable assets. thats why im not concerned with paying keldon/vassell or a guy like Rui. theyre not on max type deals that are going to be contract albatrosses. with that said, we are getting logjammed at that spot, dno if Rui is enough of a needle mover to be a priority signing. he's like Keldon but can actually get away with being a 4 defensively

[baseline bum]

spurs arent going to approach the tax until wemby gets his big contract 4 years from now

Could be sooner if they add a star in exchange for their picks in a year or two.

[BatManu20]

Nope. Save our money for when we sign Giannis to a Max in 2025 tbh. And then re-sign Wemby in 2027.

[exstatic]

Don’t you think most of these upcoming draft picks will be spending years in Austin? Obviously unless they hit on a few but there’s no rush to bring these kids up immediately. If the Charlotte pick conveys next season, which is up in the air, that pick and the Toronto pick will both spend their seasons in Austin, along with the Spurs draft pick which I don’t think will be in the lottery. I just hope there’s no more need for KBD types with the salary cap situation being what it is. I hear you on not throwing money away I just think it would be smart financially because he could improve the bench immediately and wouldn’t cost much. I liked what I saw with his two way ability these playoffs.

32 picks in the next 7 drafts. 32.

[exstatic]

That sounds great but if the Lakers wouldn’t trade either their ‘27 or ‘29 picks for us to take on Westbrook is that plan even realistic? Maybe it was just not wanting to deal with a rival just like the Kawhi fiasco. I know what you mean though there’s no need to panic but I don’t see signing a young player to a bargain contract that improves the rotation as rushing anything just being opportunistic.

That was before the new CBA, and the punitive second tax apron. They did end up trading their 2027 FRP, top4 protected to Utah to offload Westbrook. If they had played ball with us earlier, they could have off loaded him into our cap space, and made a play for Kyrie before the deadline.

Believe it or not, even though he was a second rounder, and Hachimura was a lottery pick, KBD is a better overall player.

[Mr. Body]

That was before the new CBA, and the punitive second tax apron. They did end up trading their 2027 FRP, top4 protected to Utah to offload Westbrook. If they had played ball with us earlier, they could have off loaded him into our cap space, and made a play for Kyrie before the deadline.

Believe it or not, even though he was a second rounder, and Hachimura was a lottery pick, KBD is a better overall player.

KBD. Wait. Are we talking the KBD who shut down the Staples Center with a 11-11 performance from the field? That KBD?

[DPG21920]

These old threads on draft prospects always serve as a good reminder of how hard drafting is and how few players pan out to be stars etc…We all fall in love with guys and rightfully so; its information we have at time and potential etc…

But I also like idea of trading picks for guaranteed good players too because locking in that value on a sure thing seems pretty damn good when looking back at how many prospects never come close to their best case upside.

[south side spur]

32 picks in the next 7 drafts. 32.

I know how many picks we have and I know that most of those picks are 2nd rounders that’ll be sold or packaged to move up. I still believe that most of these kids will be developing in Austin for years. Heyyy but if you’re right about KBD being better overall than Rui that works just as well. I just don’t see it. Also you’re looking at 7 years down the road with the pick total. Any free agent signing maybe gets 3 years? Enough time for these draft picks to develop in Austin and when they’re ready they’ll be called up and Rui will be let go if he disappointed.

[Mr. Body]

I know how many picks we have and I know that most of those picks are 2nd rounders that’ll be sold or packaged to move up. I still believe that most of these kids will be developing in Austin for years. Heyyy but if you’re right about KBD being better overall than Rui that works just as well. I just don’t see it. Also you’re looking at 7 years down the road with the pick total. Any free agent signing maybe gets 3 years? Enough time for these draft picks to develop in Austin and when they’re ready they’ll be called up and Rui will be let go if he disappointed.

You can't just draft a lot of players and send them to Austin. That's not how it works.

[south side spur]

You can't just draft a lot of players and send them to Austin. That's not how it works.

Over the next 3 years how many draft picks do you realistically see getting rotation time? It won’t be every pick and that’s if the Spurs even keep them all. Every 2nd rounder will be in Austin at best and probably sold or packaged to move up.

[exstatic]

I know how many picks we have and I know that most of those picks are 2nd rounders that’ll be sold or packaged to move up. I still believe that most of these kids will be developing in Austin for years. Heyyy but if you’re right about KBD being better overall than Rui that works just as well. I just don’t see it. Also you’re looking at 7 years down the road with the pick total. Any free agent signing maybe gets 3 years? Enough time for these draft picks to develop in Austin and when they’re ready they’ll be called up and Rui will be let go if he disappointed.

Second rounders have to agree in advance to sign a 2 way. Tre Jones flat refused and got a roster spot. The 15 man roster then becomes the crunch point, since even if a player is in Austin, they still count against the 15 man limit. We're going to have a hard time just slotting our 13 FRPs into the roster if we don't move some of them.

[exstatic]

Over the next 3 years how many draft picks do you realistically see getting rotation time? It won’t be every pick and that’s if the Spurs even keep them all. Every 2nd rounder will be in Austin at best and probably sold or packaged to move up.

They have to agree to a 2way or count against the 15 man roster. You can't just arbitrarily draft a player and send them to Austin. They actually MUST be offered an NBA contract and a spot on the 15 man roster, even if it's unguarantteed, unless there is a pre-agreement to sign a 2way.