Was budenholzer our real coach?

[testies]

I mean Bucks actually resemble how we used to attack patiently and emphasized spacing. Also they defend with grit and discilpline.

Evern since Bud left our offense looks like clogged toilet with emphasiz on 17 ft terrible shots.

[Dennis the Menace]

It’s pretty obvious.

[Collins21]

It’s pretty obvious.

We won a ring the year after he left.

[Pavlov]

The Wallowing

[pgardn]

no

[timvp]

The Wallowing


We won a ring the year after he left.

:lol tbh


For all the Bucks' new school offense hype and all the Spurs' behind the times midrange jumpers moaning, both teams scored close to the same number of points per 100 possessions.

[dabom6]

We won a ring the year after he left.

People forget Bud made the call on Kawhi. Thank fucking God. :lmao :lmao

[dabom6]

I've always been a Bud fan. Want him when Pop retires but that's not happening anymore. :lol

[Uriel]

Pop adjusted our offense to emphasize midrange shooting for two reasons:

1. That's LMA and DeRozan's biggest strength, so he was adapting the offense to fit the personnel.
2. Modern NBA defenses emphasize defending layups and 3-pt shots, so he felt that shooting midrange shots was a way to counter that.

[Arcadian]

Spurs won 67 games in 2016

[exstatic]

I've always been a Bud fan. Want him when Pop retires but that's not happening anymore. :lol

you think Pop will never retire? It will only seem that way to the haters. :lol

[sananspursfan21]

Well, our personnel and the Bucks personnel are a little different....

[K...]

Tim Duncan was the real coach, Pop just implemented what him and Parker wanted. Pop is good at getting role players to overachieve but that too depends on stars. But again, put the Spurs in the East and watch the magic. Bud didn't exactly turn the Hawks into winners, and giannis doesn't need coaching.

[TheGreatYacht]

Obviously. Anyone who disagrees has severe autism and shouldn't spend time on the Internet unsupervised.

Budenholzer has won two CotY awards since he left and has risen the Hawks (before they tanked) and Bucks to new heights as soon as he got there. He elevates role players like Middleton, Teague, Korver into playing like all stars. He saves the careers of journeymen like Lopez and Hill who both got let go by the two worst teams in the NBA. His best two players Giannis and Bledsoe can't shoot the 3 for shit, but his system is 2nd in 3PA.... whereas Pop's Scott Brooks esque system ranks from 28-30th in that category every year.

It's a joke that people are giving Pop the credit for 2014 when it was very clear it was what was left of Bud's beautiful game and the players' hunger that rang that year. It has become the norm for Pop to take all the credit and then blame the roster for the failings. Lebron-esque.

[TheGreatYacht]

Budenholzer vs Kawhi in the ECF :wow

Two guys who never got enough credit until they left Pop's plantation going head to head. Hope the 14 other Craptors show up so we can see this.

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

No he wasn't, he was an assistant FYI

[R. DeMurre]

What a classic conspiracy theory. So, on the one hand Pop is too domineering... but on the other, Budenholzer was secretly engineering everything behind the scenes? :lol Yeah, makes sense.

[cjw]

Pop adjusted our offense to emphasize midrange shooting for two reasons:

1. That's LMA and DeRozan's biggest strength, so he was adapting the offense to fit the personnel.
2. Modern NBA defenses emphasize defending layups and 3-pt shots, so he felt that shooting midrange shots was a way to counter that.

Yes.

And the team offense, despite losing it’s starting PG and having to implement four new players into the starting lineup, finished 7th in the league in ORtg (points per 100 possessions) ... basically tied with Toronto and Denver, and within a point of Milwaukee. Complain about the long twos all you want, but they led the league in lowest TO% and tops in FT% and 3PT% too. Offense just didn’t generate enough of the latter two.

Issue was defense, which was 19th. And if you watched the playoffs, until game 7, that was also the issue. Built leads and couldn’t hold them with porous defense. That’s what happens when you lose three All NBA defenders. The two things that stick out are poor forced turnover rate and a lot of threes shot against.

Offense should be about the same to marginally better next year as the pieces gel, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the defense jumps close to the top 10, if not into the top 10.

[tbdog]

I don't see any team making the playoffs the last few season considering what happened to the Spurs. Losing TD. Losing Leonard all year. Losing Leonard altogether.

EDIT*

BTW, Spurs lost 4 starters from last year. Gasol, Murray, Leonard, Green.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

Go BUCKS GOOOOOOLLOOOLLLL

[cutewizard]

THE BUCKS WILL WIN THE NBA TITLE

[duncan2k5]

Pop adjusted our offense to emphasize midrange shooting for two reasons:

1. That's LMA and DeRozan's biggest strength, so he was adapting the offense to fit the personnel.
2. Modern NBA defenses emphasize defending layups and 3-pt shots, so he felt that shooting midrange shots was a way to counter that.

Clearly he was wrong...

[duncan2k5]

Well, our personnel and the Bucks personnel are a little different....

Pop assembled the roster

[duncan2k5]

I don't see any team making the playoffs the last few season considering what happened to the Spurs. Losing TD. Losing Leonard all year. Losing Leonard altogether.

EDIT*

BTW, Spurs lost 4 starters from last year. Gasol, Murray, Leonard, Green.

Nuggets had the best record in the west despite being the youngest team ever to be in the playoffs at this point, and their only all star was drafted in the second round...

Clippers made the playoffs despite their entire roster being shit... If pop made the playoffs wid the clippers roster, we would be calling him the best ever... Pop has TWO all stars and made the 7th seed... That should be bare minimum tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

Nuggets had the best record in the west despite being the youngest team ever to be in the playoffs at this point, and their only all star was drafted in the second round...

Clippers made the playoffs despite their entire roster being shit... If pop made the playoffs wid the clippers roster, we would be calling him the best ever... Pop has TWO all stars and made the 7th seed... That should be bare minimum tbh

Ya, Pop has done a great job(as a coach, not as president) the past 2 seasons, but I don't know why he gets praised for this when several other coaches had similar success with a limited roster during that time:lol

Rivers took a team that was projected to win 33 games and got them to the playoffs and competitive against the Warriors, for example..

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop is the GOAT and Bud is arguably the best coach right now..it was funny how quickly people tried to dismiss his coaching immediately after the Bucks lost game 1, such an overreaction:lol

[tbdog]

Ya, Pop has done a great job(as a coach, not as president) the past 2 seasons, but I don't know why he gets praised for this when several other coaches had similar success with a limited roster during that time:lol

Rivers took a team that was projected to win 33 games and got them to the playoffs and competitive against the Warriors, for example..

I'm pretty sure Pop gets CP3 and Griffin to the wcf if he was the coach of the clippers. Rivers did a great coaching season, just like Malone. Still, Pop would be top 5 this season.

[DPG21920]

Clearly he was wrong...

He had one of the top offense all season, so no, he was not wrong. Defense was the issue and that the role players got exposed when needed.

[DPG21920]

Pop is the GOAT and Bud is arguably the best coach right now..it was funny how quickly people tried to dismiss his coaching immediately after the Bucks lost game 1, such an overreaction:lol

Thats how people are with everything and it’s understandable. There have been plenty of times people have been proven right (Dantoni at times - Reverse for Brad Stevens and being anointed to hated).

There are often times fine lines between being a great coach or viewed as awful. Sometimes, its not about adjustments but guys just executing and making shots etc..

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Bud was definitely one of the few assistants who stood up to Pop and let him know when he was wrong. Unlike those yes men he got sitting with him on the bench right now. By the way I was just thinking yesterday about how great the Bucks management has been.

I mean a few years back they only had Middleton and Giannis. The Bledsoe trade was great. So was the Mirotic trade. Singing Brook Lopez. Getting George Hill. They didn't make any big splashes on the free agency market, but they surrounded their 2 best players with the right supporting cast.

[TDMVPDPOY]

kawhi carried that coach who couldnt win shit without td

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[therealtruth]

It's also about the coach imparting confidence to the players. If the coach doesn't exude confidence it's harder for the players to do so. That's how teams get beat mentally.

[GreekSpursfan]

Swap Derozan with Giannis and we win the whole thing. Bud has a cornerstone piece, we don't, lets not get carried away here. Giannis affects the game on both ends and he's 7 feet tall. Players like him cannot be found outside the lottery very often, he is one of a kind. Even if he doesn't give you anything offensively he will give everything defensively. Bud was very lucky here to find that job open.

[timvp]

Going to say he wasn't the real coach, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi's Raptors beat a Pop-led Milwaukee team in 5, to be fair. Bucks only won Game 1 because Lopez was unstoppable. Pop would've had Lopez on the bench for Ilyasova and Mirotic.... Kind of like he did with Duncan in 2016 in favor of Diaw and West.

[testies]

Bud still is a good coach, its not his fault his star missed 25 fts in the series, which btw is the more than point differential this series.

Also the dumb fuck who paid Bledsoe wasn't him

[cjw]

This Bucks team will be incredibly flawed as long as Giannis can’t shoot, and they have other horrible offensive players on the floor with him. Bledsoe was all defensive team, but he was unplayable in key moments. They were relying on Hill and Lopez to save their season.

Bucks are a brutal matchup in the regular season but can be schemes against in the playoffs. Half the teams in the west playoffs probably beat them as well.