Another year; another epic comeback in Soccer's biggest team competition..

[spursistan]

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"But...but...but it is a poorly designed sport", "but...but...but it is boring" :madrun:madrun..


Shit is even blowing up on American twitter :lol..

[spursistan]

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[FrostKing]

Magic of Anfield strikes again

[midnightpulp]

What comeback? I saw that Liverpool won 4-0. I was hoping to see some 5-4 score or something where Liverpool came back from 3 or 4 goals down. Sorry soccer fans, I'm not hating, a comeback just isn't the same via aggregate over two different games. In that format, the team who is down has time to regroup, recuperate, and hash out a gameplan over the ensuing days. They have a full 90 minutes plus any extra/overtime to make a charge, and aren't up against a reduced clock (i.e. Clippers 3rd quarter comeback, Pats 3rd quarter comeback vs. Falcons, etc). FiveThirtyEight had their odds at 7 percent, which really isn't that low. Let's see. Per win expectancy, Golden State had a 99.4 percent chance of winning when they went up by 31. In the infamous 2011 WS series game 6, the Texas Rangers twice blew win expectancies of 96% and 92%, the odds of which (1/24x1/12) are 1 in 288 or .0035 percent.

[DAF86]

What comeback? I saw that Liverpool won 4-0. I was hoping to see some 5-4 score or something where Liverpool came back from 3 or 4 goals down. Sorry soccer fans, I'm not hating, a comeback just isn't the same via aggregate over two different games. In that format, the team who is down has time to regroup, recuperate, and hash out a gameplan over the ensuing days. They have a full 90 minutes plus any extra/overtime to make a charge, and aren't up against a reduced clock (i.e. Clippers 3rd quarter comeback, Pats 3rd quarter comeback vs. Falcons, etc). FiveThirtyEight had their odds at 7 percent, which really isn't that low. Let's see. Per win expectancy, Golden State had a 99.4 percent chance of winning when they went up by 31. In the infamous 2011 WS series game 6, the Texas Rangers twice blew win expectancies of 96% and 92%, the odds of which (1/24x1/12) are 1 in 288 or .0035 percent.

Doesn't matter. It's still exciting as fuck. Way more exciting than anything baseball has to offer, tbh.

:lol fans falling asleep during playoffs games.

[DAF86]

What comeback? I saw that Liverpool won 4-0. I was hoping to see some 5-4 score or something where Liverpool came back from 3 or 4 goals down. Sorry soccer fans, I'm not hating, a comeback just isn't the same via aggregate over two different games. In that format, the team who is down has time to regroup, recuperate, and hash out a gameplan over the ensuing days. They have a full 90 minutes plus any extra/overtime to make a charge, and aren't up against a reduced clock (i.e. Clippers 3rd quarter comeback, Pats 3rd quarter comeback vs. Falcons, etc). FiveThirtyEight had their odds at 7 percent, which really isn't that low. Let's see. Per win expectancy, Golden State had a 99.4 percent chance of winning when they went up by 31. In the infamous 2011 WS series game 6, the Texas Rangers twice blew win expectancies of 96% and 92%, the odds of which (1/24x1/12) are 1 in 288 or .0035 percent.

You wanted an in-game come back? There you have it.

[spursistan]

Another fuckin glorious comeback..
midnightpulp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430) get in your ass here and :downspin: this shit..:lol..


Told you defense is no longer the name of the game in today's soccer..especially at this competition..

[Bynumite]

These 2 CL semis were easily more exciting and unpredictable than the entire nba playoffs :lol

Today's nba :lol

[hater]

Brazilians and Africans make it exciting tbqh.

Can u imagine the snooze fest CL would be if it was only euro stiffs? :lmao

Those overrated toothless brits would be trash without the immigrants

[resistanze]

These 2 CL semis were easily more exciting and unpredictable than the entire nba playoffs :lol

Today's nba :lol

[FrostKing]

Brazilians and Africans make it exciting tbqh.

Can u imagine the snooze fest CL would be if it was only euro stiffs? :lmao

Those overrated toothless brits would be trash without the immigrants
Agreed. Black GK :rollin

[spursistan]

These 2 CL semis were easily more exciting and unpredictable than the entire nba playoffs :lol

Today's nba :lol

TBH :lol

[hater]

Agreed. Black GK :rollin

That GK had 4 or 5 epic saves tbqh. But he also did commit 2 big errors but that's because they were already stoning his house for a while :lol

[pgardn]

South Americans and Africans make it exciting tbqh.

Can u imagine the snooze fest CL would be if it was only euro stiffs? :lmao

Those overrated toothless brits would be trash without the immigrants

There are some very good European players from Spain, Germany.
England has been sorely lacking and THEY KNOW IT.
They are always questioning themselves and hiring foreign managers at the top levels.

Honestly people dont know how insecure the English are about their level.
Its amazing. I dont know wtf you guys read. The Sun... all the other crap?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

These 2 CL semis were easily more exciting and unpredictable than the entire nba playoffs :lol

Today's nba :lol

CL is the best tournament in the world but do you care for hockey at all? Some crazy stuff happens here too

[FrostKing]

There are some very good European players from Spain, Germany.
England has been sorely lacking and THEY KNOW IT.
They are always questioning themselves and hiring foreign managers at the top levels.

Honestly people dont know how insecure the English are about their level.
Its amazing. I dont know wtf you guys read. The Sun... all the other crap?
They are a multicultural liberal nation. What do you expect. They are programmed at a young age to feel guilty for their enormous empire while simultaneously being told their way of life needs the weaklings they conquered in order to survive

[pgardn]

They are a multicultural liberal nation. What do you expect. They are programmed at a young age to feel guilty for their enormous empire while simultaneously being told their way of life needs the weaklings they conquered in order to survive

Oh.

You mean they are taught real history?
Feel guilty... They were fckn heroes in WWII.
They know this.

Who is the most powerful multicultural nation on Earth right now?
And what have they been taught?

[FrostKing]

Oh.

You mean they are taught real history?
Feel guilty... They were fckn heroes in WWII.
They know this.

Who is the most powerful multicultural nation on Earth right now?
And what have they been taught?
Well Ofcourse heroes when they killed other whites but bad evil when they killed ethnics. Don't play naive. We both know the goal of liberalism in the West.

And that is why they are the way they are today.

[spursistan]

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[midnightpulp]

You wanted an in-game come back? There you have it.

That wasn't an in game comeback : lol. They had to combone two different games to get their "comeback" since soccer is so poorly designed

[midnightpulp]

Another fuckin glorious comeback..
midnightpulp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430) get in your ass here and :downspin: this shit..:lol..


Told you defense is no longer the name of the game in today's soccer..especially at this competition..

Spin what? Last time you semen exploded about increasing soccer scoring during the World Cup, I showed you that goals per game were around historical EPL averages. You also tried to sell the last big aggregate comeback in 2017 as "epic" and everyone just basically laughed. Oh, I see there was a 2 goal deficit comeback today. Is that what you're talking about now :lol

But at least it was a comeback and in-game, so you have that.

[Bynumite]

That wasn't an in game comeback : lol. They had to combone two different games to get their "comeback" since soccer is so poorly designed

Poorly designed :lol

If anything it's better than the system the NFL has in place for example. One game, one team makes one mistake and season's over.

CL football ensures each team gets one fair shot in their home stadium. Except for the final but that's in a neutral ground.

[pgardn]

Well Ofcourse heroes when they killed other whites but bad evil when they killed ethnics. Don't play naive. We both know the goal of liberalism in the West.

And that is why they are the way they are today.

Killed other whites...
The other whites that wanted to rule the world.
Dont be a fool.

Tell me what white skin does that is so important? Liberalism does what? So Conservatives are against multi ethnic nation states?

[midnightpulp]

Poorly designed :lol

If anything it's better than the system the NFL has in place for example. One game, one team makes one mistake and season's over.

CL football ensures each team gets one fair shot in their home stadium. Except for the final but that's in a neutral ground.

I've also read that the away goals rule encourages offensive play, since otherwise, teams would just bus park more.


Part of the reason the rule exists is to encourage attacking play, though, because without it, an away team has no incentive to attack at all.
With the rule, a home team puts a lot at risk by attacking, but that at least has to be balanced with the fact that the home leg of a fixture is a chance to put the tie to bed-- without the rule, the away team has no incentive to play anything but a negative game.
People are going to exploit the rules no matter what they are. Changing the rules wouldn't fix that, and would arguably make the first legs of ties even more one-sided.

When you have to use gimmicks like this outside of the rules of the core sport to "encourage attacking," I feel the sport itself is "poorly designed." We also see how low soccer's comeback factor really is. Win probability plummets to 13.4 percent if you concede a goal at, say, 35 minutes. http://stats.inpredictable.com/soccer/wpCalc.php?oddf=prb&wino=0.354&drawo=0.292&losso=0.354&mintm=35&scr=1

Why not just play a 3rd game on neutral ground if the series is tied 1-1? It's probably a logistics issue, but I think the biggest sport in the world can make it work.

[midnightpulp]

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I agree with this point, at least. Basketball is too high scoring. The 80-78 games played in the "boring" grit-and-grind era was better to watch, more attritional, scores mattering more, and every 3 pointer feeling like a backbreaker. For life shortening tension, though, baseball>all sports. The killshot can come in ANY inning since play isn't reset/ball doesn't change hands after a score and there's no clock. Every pitch matters.

[pgardn]

Spin what? Last time you semen exploded about increasing soccer scoring during the World Cup, I showed you that goals per game were around historical EPL averages. You also tried to sell the last big aggregate comeback in 2017 as "epic" and everyone just basically laughed. Oh, I see there was a 2 goal deficit comeback today. Is that what you're talking about now :lol

But at least it was a comeback and in-game, so you have that.

The game itself played at a high level is what is beautiful. The score merely determines the winner. And the loser can actually be the better team more often than probably any other team sport. One has to accept this. Anyone who appreciates sport has got to take a closer look at soccer and even attempt to play it. The mix of creativity and strategy is beautiful. You walk onto a field and start to play at it matters where you are and what you are doing. The things that happen off the ball are really important. Actually going to a game and watching the entire field while scanning different moments is a must.

I am a horrible player technically because I never really played and obtained foot skills but was asked to play because I can run 45 minutes and then do it again 10 minutes later (in the heat of SA). I played with people who knew what they were doing and helped me figure out how to help without getting in the way. It was a blast and I learned a hell of a lot. It really is a whole lot like basketball with the sense of spacing and such, just on a gigantic field. Its a fantastic game. But very, very difficult to learn to play imo unless you start with the feet at an early age. I will say I love headers. I was actually somewhat proficient at that. It was so much fun defending and attacking on corner kicks when you play with people that can actually launch the ball into spots.

I respect the Pulp so I gotta give him a shot at coming around to a great game.

[TDMVPDPOY]

harry kane has no business starting or playing finals...fck that overrated clown is freeloader

[midnightpulp]

The game itself played at a high level is what is beautiful. The score merely determines the winner. And the loser can actually be the better team more often than probably any other team sport. One has to accept this. Anyone who appreciates sport has got to take a closer look at soccer and even attempt to play it. The mix of creativity and strategy is beautiful. You walk onto a field and start to play at it matters where you are and what you are doing. The things that happen off the ball are really important. Actually going to a game and watching the entire field while scanning different moments is a must.

I am a horrible player technically because I never really played and obtained foot skills but was asked to play because I can run 45 minutes and then do it again 10 minutes later (in the heat of SA). I played with people who knew what they were doing and helped me figure out how to help without getting in the way. It was a blast and I learned a hell of a lot. It really is a whole lot like basketball with the sense of spacing and such, just on a gigantic field. Its a fantastic game. But very, very difficult to learn to play imo unless you start with the feet at an early age. I will say I love headers. I was actually somewhat proficient at that. It was so much fun defending and attacking on corner kicks when you play with people that can actually launch the ball into spots.

I respect the Pulp so I gotta give him a shot at coming around to a great game.

I actually do appreciate all sports and think "boring" arguments to dismiss any sport are, well, shit arguments and demonstrate either bias or some form of attention deficit disorder. Nothing is really boring when you take time to investigate the nuances. I've followed soccer before. My reason for not following it much today is because I have other sports in front of it. I also think Ice Hockey is a better iteration of the "goal sport" design. If Gaelic Football were relevant here, I might follow that since I do think Gaelic is also a better iteration of that design. Because these sports exist do I find soccer "boring?" No, as you implied, every sport has its own nuances to be appreciated, even compared to similarly designed sports.

I usually "take the piss" out of soccer because its fans believe it to be the most perfect sport ever invented with "beauty" that other sports can't match. I simply see as another goal sport of many, with nuances no more or less interesting than other similar sports. The baseball vs. soccer comparison is also highly stupid because the sports don't resemble each other in the least. But I didn't start that retardation. The soccer crew targeted baseball in their trolling for some inexplicable reason.

[pgardn]

I actually do appreciate all sports and think "boring" arguments to dismiss any sport are, well, shit arguments and demonstrate either bias or some form of attention deficit disorder. Nothing is really boring when you take time to investigate the nuances. I've followed soccer before. My reason for not following it much today is because I have other sports in front of it. I also think Ice Hockey is a better iteration of the "goal sport" design. If Gaelic Football were relevant here, I might follow that since I do think Gaelic is also a better iteration of that design. Because these sports exist do I find soccer "boring?" No, as you implied, every sport has its own nuances to be appreciated, even compared to similarly designed sports.

I usually "take the piss" out of soccer because its fans believe it to be the most perfect sport ever invented with "beauty" that other sports can't match. I simply see as another goal sport of many, with nuances no more or less interesting than other similar sports. The baseball vs. soccer comparison is also highly stupid because the sports don't resemble each other in the least. But I didn't start that retardation. The soccer crew targeted baseball in their trolling for some inexplicable reason.

aha

did not know this

As far as viewing on the tube the merits are you know what you are getting. 90 + a few minutes of play and then halftime 15. So for time oriented folks its nice.
Also I cant stand commercials. Hockey... I cant follow the puck but it looks like it would be so much fun if I could only skate.

[pgardn]

harry kane has no business starting or playing finals...fck that overrated clown is freeloader

He has been out a long while so fitness is an issue.
Do you know how Tottenham barely made the knockout round in their group?

[DAF86]

That wasn't an in game comeback : lol. They had to combone two different games to get their "comeback" since soccer is so poorly designed

The fuck are you talking about? Ajax was winning this game 2-0 and the Spurs (:cry) won 3-2. :lol

[midnightpulp]

The fuck are you talking about? Ajax was winning this game 2-0 and the Spurs (:cry) won 3-2. :lol

Try reading other replies. I wasn't familiar with the latest "epic" comeback since I don't follow this shit.


Spin what? Last time you semen exploded about increasing soccer scoring during the World Cup, I showed you that goals per game were around historical EPL averages. You also tried to sell the last big aggregate comeback in 2017 as "epic" and everyone just basically laughed. Oh, I see there was a 2 goal deficit comeback today. Is that what you're talking about now :lol

But at least it was a comeback and in-game, so you have that.

[DAF86]

Try reading other replies. I wasn't familiar with the latest "epic" comeback since I don't follow this shit.

I read it afterwards son, and I wasn't going to bother deleting the post, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

And I don't know why the soccer crew continues to @me :lol. I just looked up all the CL games, from qualifying, to playoffs, to group, to knockout. Today's "yet another epic comeback" was only the 2nd time in the total tournament (some 200+ total matches) that a team came back to win from a 2+ goal deficit. The first between some no-names. What made discovering this info so easy is there wasn't many matches ending in 3-2 and above to click on :lol

[FrostKing]

And I don't know why the soccer crew continues to @me :lol. I just looked up all the CL games, from qualifying, to playoffs, to group, to knockout. Today's "yet another epic comeback" was only the 2nd time in the total tournament (some 200+ total matches) that a team came back to win from a 2+ goal deficit. The first between some no-names. What made discovering this info so easy is there wasn't many matches ending in 3-2 and above to click on :lol
2 goal deficit is the equivalent of being down 30 in the NBA or 6+ runs in MLB. Yah it doesn't happen often.

But coming back from 2 down to draw isn't rare

[midnightpulp]

2 goal deficit is the equivalent of being down 30 in the NBA or 6+ runs in MLB. Yah it doesn't happen often.

But coming back from 2 down to draw isn't rare

Sure. But spursistan has been trying to "prove" me wrong for like 2 years now by mentioning all these "epic" comebacks anytime they happen in a big tournament. It's just a simple fact that soccer has a comparatively low comeback and counterpunch (i.e., lead changes) factor compared to other sports. On the contrary, I think basketball is too high. No lead/deficit really means anything until the late 4th. Football and baseball are best balanced in this regard, imo. Ice Hockey at times, too.

[dunkman]

Epic comebacks are usual since the time of the old Champions Cup. Few of them even from 4 goals difference defeats in first leg. Otherwise something like a 3:0 is considered insurmountable.