No Baldwin For Russell Wilson

[Spurtacular]

Dude gonna get exposed. The WR who was bailing him out is gone.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-officially-part-ways-with-doug-baldwin-kam-chancellor/ar-AAB9f0X?ocid=spartandhp

[SpursforSix]

Dude gonna get exposed. The WR who was bailing him out is gone.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-officially-part-ways-with-doug-baldwin-kam-chancellor/ar-AAB9f0X?ocid=spartandhp

Wilson was fine last year with Baldwin missing games and not being 100%. He'll be fine again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

And they won't have the money to sign his replacement because Struggle is hogging all the cap space

[SpursforSix]

And they won't have the money to sign his replacement because Struggle is hogging all the cap space

Bend over, I'll fucking show you hogging cap space.

[Spurtacular]

Wilson was fine last year with Baldwin missing games and not being 100%. He'll be fine again.

I don't think you're familiar with Baldwin's historic prowess, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

I don't think you're familiar with Baldwin's historic prowess, tbh.

I am. He was great. But they’re running the ball more. Lockett has taken steps forward. Moore is decent. And now they added Metcalf who will at least stretch the field. As I said, Wilson will be fine.

[spurraider21]

baldwin was awesome. wilson will still be great.

seattle isn't the first team to lose talent because of their star QB salary and they wont be the last. its easy to have a loaded roster when all your studs are on rookie deals :lol... it was never sustainable

when seattle won the SB, these guys were ALL on rookie deals:

wilson, earl thomas, kam chancellor, bobby wagner, richard sherman, bruce irvin, kj wright, golden tate, doug baldwin, malcom smith, byron maxwell, jeremy lane. seattle has lost basically all of those guys, and baldwin was out or a nonfactor for all of last year, and they were still a playoff team

their most expensive players were zach miller, russell okung, marshawn lynch, chris clemons, and red bryant :lol... michael bennett was making less than 5 mil

[The Gemini Method]

We'll see how he adapts. It would be shortsighted to say anything at this point as we're not sure if Lockett is ready to be a 1 or if Metcalf will take a while to get going. Baldwin was clutch. He, thought, was oft-injured last year and they managed to make it to the playoffs playing the run game. It will be interesting to see if defenses sell out to stop the run and make the unproven receivers step up to stretch the field.

[Avant]

Exposed?

It's pretty obvious no matter what the situation is Russell Wilson is an elite/stud/great QB. He owns numerous NFL records/firsts and his first seven sevens the best we have ever seen. A WR won't change anything, the guy will still wow us and show why he is the highest paid player in the NFL.

[Millennial_Messiah]

baldwin was awesome. wilson will still be great.

seattle isn't the first team to lose talent because of their star QB salary and they wont be the last. its easy to have a loaded roster when all your studs are on rookie deals :lol... it was never sustainable

when seattle won the SB, these guys were ALL on rookie deals:

wilson, earl thomas, kam chancellor, bobby wagner, richard sherman, bruce irvin, kj wright, golden tate, doug baldwin, malcom smith, byron maxwell, jeremy lane. seattle has lost basically all of those guys, and baldwin was out or a nonfactor for all of last year, and they were still a playoff team

their most expensive players were zach miller, russell okung, marshawn lynch, chris clemons, and red bryant :lol... michael bennett was making less than 5 mil
The biggest problem with Seattle was that when they lost most of those guys they got comp picks and drafted horribly from 2013-2016 for the most part. They should have traded some of them for higher picks when they had the chance, but even then the drafting was awful. The Percy Harvin trade blew up in their faces as did the almost equally stupid-trade of the mauling Max Unger for soft, washed up, oft injured Jimmy Graham. Almost immediately their run game went from first to bottom half. Marshawn Lynch's body broke down quickly as he couldn't get his customary automatic 5 yards up the middle any longer.

They've begun drafting well again but it's kind of mellowed them from an every-year contender to one of "those" teams like Green Bay that can get in any given year on the QB play but can also miss the playoffs easily as well. That is Seattle at this point tbh. No longer are they fun, young and exciting. They're committed to being one of "those" QB centric teams long term, which guarantees them at least 7 wins annually barring Wilson missing time but also means they won't be at the top anymore especially with the Rams in their division.

[JohnnyMax]

NFL is rigged to hide the fact that best black quarterbacks are better than best white quarterbacks.

[Sophia19513]

wilson will still be great.

[Darth_Pelican]

NFL is rigged to hide the fact that best black quarterbacks are better than best white quarterbacks.

The best QB last year was black and he won the MVP. How did the NFL hide or rig anything? Dumb

[Avant]

NFL is rigged to hide the fact that best black quarterbacks are better than best white quarterbacks.

The NFL cares nothing about race and there are no black QB's on a par with...

Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers
Dan Marino
John Unitas
Otto Graham

Right now it;s....

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Patrick Mahonnes

[JohnnyMax]

Let's compare two quarterbacks from same franchise:

Matt Ryan has had Julio Jones, Roddy White, Calvin Ridley, Tony Gonzalez, Austin Hooper, Devonta Freeman, Michael Turner
Michael Vick has had Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler

The rare case a good black quarterback get good offensive talent, you get things like this:

Terrell Owens kicked off Eagles after 1 season with McNabb (also targeted for injury with collar tackle)
Kareem Hunt kicked off Chiefs after 1 season with Mahomes
Tyreek Hill. They're attempting to kick him off the team.
Ezekial Elliott. They attempted to kick off him team. Got him suspended 6 games and made Cowboys miss playoffs.
Amari Cooper. They'll manufacture something to get him kicked off team.

White supremacists are celebrating Doug Baldwin no longer being on Seahawks

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177134191
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9809332

[spurraider21]

you're a loon

mike vick was beloved, made 3 pro bowls with falcons, was considered one of the better players in the league... and then when he came back he was the most celebrated story during his redemption season with the eagles.

your post makes no sense at all. didnt see you complaining about culpepper's entire career being carried by randy moss

[Avant]

Let's compare two quarterbacks from same franchise:

Matt Ryan has had Julio Jones, Roddy White, Calvin Ridley, Tony Gonzalez, Austin Hooper, Devonta Freeman, Michael Turner
Michael Vick has had Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler

The rare case a good black quarterback get good offensive talent, you get things like this:

Terrell Owens kicked off Eagles after 1 season with McNabb (also targeted for injury with collar tackle)
Kareem Hunt kicked off Chiefs after 1 season with Mahomes
Tyreek Hill. They're attempting to kick him off the team.
Ezekial Elliott. They attempted to kick off him team. Got him suspended 6 games and made Cowboys miss playoffs.
Amari Cooper. They'll manufacture something to get him kicked off team.

White supremacists are celebrating Doug Baldwin no longer being on Seahawks

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177134191
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9809332

You're a 100% moron.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Baldwin was the black, more athletic version of Edelman. Not quite HOF tier but just a hair below and lack of longevity will kill that chance. RIP.

[SpursforSix]

Baldwin was the black, more athletic version of Edelman. Not quite HOF tier but just a hair below and lack of longevity will kill that chance. RIP.

This is ignorant. Stats don't back this take up at all. Congratulations, you say so much stupid shit that I don't even have the time to stick it all in your dumb takes thread.

[spurraider21]

This is ignorant. Stats don't back this take up at all. Congratulations, you say so much stupid shit that I don't even have the time to stick it all in your dumb takes thread.
small black receiver?

must be athletic version of small white receiver.

this dudes logic is just to compare races of players :lol... comparing haskins to winston :lmao

[Avant]

Baldwin was the black, more athletic version of Edelman. Not quite HOF tier but just a hair below and lack of longevity will kill that chance. RIP.

Baldwin ran a 4.48 to Edelman's 4.52, that is a step. Edelman a far better passer being an x QB, he's just as shifty and quicker off the line. Where are you getting Baldwin was more athletic at?

[spurraider21]

bump

[i'm_still_beta]

So far Wilson is strong mvp candidate, carrying Seahawks. Impressive

[spurraider21]

:lol

[Spurtacular]

Tyler Lockett stepped up his game, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

The Seahawks found a new WR to bail Struggle out, tbh.

https://i.imgur.com/NTTzKsf.jpg

[DAF86]

Wilson is a top 3 QB in the league. I don't know why so many people hate to ackowledge this fact.

[spurraider21]

first there were people on this forum saying sidney rice was basically larry fitzgerald. then it became all golden tate. then it became all doug baldwin. now its all lockett

maybe there's a common denominator, like that 7x pro bowl qb they have. 8 yards per attempt, only 5 INT's in over 500 attempts, to go with 31 passing TDs

most of ST has already let this shtick go... there are still a couple of you left

[DAF86]

first there were people on this forum saying sidney rice was basically larry fitzgerald. then it became all golden tate. then it became all doug baldwin. now its all lockett

maybe there's a common denominator, like that 7x pro bowl qb they have. 8 yards per attempt, only 5 INT's in over 500 attempts, to go with 31 passing TDs

most of ST has already let this shtick go... there are still a couple of you left

Soon to be Metcalf, if not already. Good WR's are made by good QB's, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Soon to be Metcalf, if not already. Good WR's are made by good QB's, tbh.

There have been plenty of WRs that make QBs look good, too, though.

Really, everything in the NFL is related, it isn't like other sports. There's very little major success in the NFL from individual brilliance, which is why it's funny when people try to rank NFL players using individual stats.

It's also 70/30 in favor of coaching as the reason for success IMO(head coach and coordinators, system) compared to something like the NBA which is 10/90.

[DAF86]

There have been plenty of WRs that make QBs look good, too, though.

Really, everything in the NFL is related, it isn't like other sports. There's very little major success in the NFL from individual brilliance, which is why it's funny when people try to rank NFL players using individual stats.

It's also 70/30 in favor of coaching as the reason for success IMO(head coach and coordinators, system) compared to something like the NBA which is 10/90.

For example?

The way I look at things, good accurate QB's can boost the catches and yds of average/below average WR's in a much more significant way than the other way around. You can build the perfect WR on a lab but that guy still won't be able to turn a shitty QB into a decent one. Sure, he will be able to provide QB's with bigger windows, but if the QB is an inaccurate shitty one, there isn't much to do, imho.

"Skill" position players (other than QB's) are by far the most overrated ones. They are, imho, the less important players of all the players in an NFL roster.

[i'm_still_beta]

There have been plenty of WRs that make QBs look good, too, though.

Really, everything in the NFL is related, it isn't like other sports. There's very little major success in the NFL from individual brilliance, which is why it's funny when people try to rank NFL players using individual stats.

It's also 70/30 in favor of coaching as the reason for success IMO(head coach and coordinators, system) compared to something like the NBA which is 10/90.

The saddest part is that players are ranked by number of rings won in NBA or NFL.

[SpursforSix]

For example?

The way I look at things, good accurate QB's can boost the catches and yds of average/below average WR's in a much more significant way than the other way around. You can build the perfect WR on a lab but that guy still won't be able to turn a shitty QB into a decent one. Sure, he will be able to provide QB's with bigger windows, but if the QB is an inaccurate shitty one, there isn't much to do, imho.

"Skill" position players (other than QB's) are by far the most overrated ones. They are, imho, the less important players of all the players on an NFL roster.

I agree with this for the most part. A shitty QB is shitty in part because he's inaccurate. A great WR might be able to make a shitty QB look a little better. But probably not enough for someone to say he's a good QB.

That being said, I do think the right system with multiple good receiving options can make a difference.

[SpursforSix]

The saddest part is that players are ranked by number of rings won in NBA or NFL.

That's not true for the NFL for the most part. Maybe somewhat for a QB but not really for any other skill positions.

[i'm_still_beta]

For example?

The way I look at things, good accurate QB's can boost the catches and yds of average/below average WR's in a much more significant way than the other way around. You can build the perfect WR on a lab but that guy still won't be able to turn a shitty QB into a decent one. Sure, he will be able to provide QB's with bigger windows, but if the QB is an inaccurate shitty one, there isn't much to do, imho.

"Skill" position players (other than QB's) are by far the most overrated ones. They are, imho, the less important players of all the players on an NFL roster.

Look at Green Bay for example. Why Rodgers stats and level of play declined after 2014? Because of receivers. They are some of slowest in the league, they can't get open. Rodgers stays in the pocket for too long, gets sacked or forced to throw the ball away. Brady in 2013 same story.

[i'm_still_beta]

That's not true for the NFL for the most part. Maybe somewhat for a QB but not really for any other skill positions.
Yes, I should of put it more precisely. QBs only.

[DAF86]

Look at Green Bay for example. Why Rodgers stats and level of play declined after 2014? Because of receivers. They are some of slowest in the league, they can't get open. Rodgers stays in the pocket for too long, gets sacked or forced to throw the ball away. Brady in 2013 same story.

Rodgers and Brady were still putting up great numbers and were regarded as elite QB's. I'm not saying receivers don't make a difference, they just don't make a significant one. Meanwhile, for a WR, the difference between having a good QB and a shitty one is all-pro vs irrelevance.

[Spurtacular]

first there were people on this forum saying sidney rice was basically larry fitzgerald. then it became all golden tate. then it became all doug baldwin. now its all lockett

maybe there's a common denominator, like that 7x pro bowl qb they have. 8 yards per attempt, only 5 INT's in over 500 attempts, to go with 31 passing TDs

most of ST has already let this shtick go... there are still a couple of you left

He's better than Cousins but not a top five QB. Philly's weak offense saved him some humiliation.

[Clipper Nation]

Wilson is a top 3 QB in the league. I don't know why so many people hate to ackowledge this fact.
Top 3 is still Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, tbh, although this will probably be Brees' last season in that tier.

I'll never understand why people are so impressed with Struggle managing the game on mega-stacked teams every year. He has it so much easier than the QBs he's compared to. For instance, he just led his offense to only 17 points in a road playoff game and they were never in any danger of losing. That's a luxury that actual franchise QBs don't usually have.

[spurraider21]

He's better than Cousins but not a top five QB. Philly's weak offense saved him some humiliation.
cousins is in the average tier tbh... he's as good as the situation around him. he'll look good on a good team, bad on a bad team. he's not holding you back, but he's also not carrying a bad offense. he's in the same bucket as matt stafford, ryan tannehill, matt ryan, jared goff, derek carr, etc. you can order that group how you want, but they're average.

wilson is absolutely top 5

[DAF86]

Top 3 is still Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, tbh, although this will probably be Brees' last season in that tier.

I'll never understand why people are so impressed with Struggle managing the game on mega-stacked teams every year. He has it so much easier than the QBs he's compared to. For instance, he just led his offense to only 17 points in a road playoff game and they were never in any danger of losing. That's a luxury that actual franchise QBs don't usually have.

How's this Seahawks team stacked? The defense is good but nothing more; and the offensive line is laughably bad. Running game is non-existent and if Wilson wasn't Wilson he would get sacked about 5 times per half.

[Clipper Nation]

How's this Seahawks team stacked? The defense is good but nothing more; and the offensive line is laughably bad. Running game is non-existent and if Wilson wasn't Wilson he would get sacked about 5 times per half.

The defense is stacked, they have Lockett and Metcalf, and they even brought back Beast Mode to carry him like the old days. No offensive line is ever going to look good with Struggle's style of play.

If Struggle and Wentz switched places, the Seahawks would still be in the playoffs and the Eagles would have a top-5 draft pick with all the injuries they had.

[Will Hunting]

Top 3 is still Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, tbh, although this will probably be Brees' last season in that tier.

I'll never understand why people are so impressed with Struggle managing the game on mega-stacked teams every year. He has it so much easier than the QBs he's compared to. For instance, he just led his offense to only 17 points in a road playoff game and they were never in any danger of losing. That's a luxury that actual franchise QBs don't usually have.
I think its generous putting Rodgers in the top 3...if you want to talk game manager he was the quintessential game manager this year.

Quite frankly the level of QB play across the league is the worst I can remember outside of Mahomes. There hasn’t been a young crop of QBs who come close to replacing the elite QB play we saw from Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers in their primes.

[spurraider21]

How's this Seahawks team stacked? The defense is good but nothing more; and the offensive line is laughably bad. Running game is non-existent and if Wilson wasn't Wilson he would get sacked about 5 times per half.
Shtick Nation...

[Spurtacular]

Top 3 is still Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, tbh, although this will probably be Brees' last season in that tier.


Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Quite frankly the level of QB play across the league is the worst I can remember outside of Mahomes. There hasn’t been a young crop of QBs who come close to replacing the elite QB play we saw from Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers in their primes.

Makes guys like Watson look like superstars.

[resistanze]

:lmao @ Rodgers top 3. Based on what?

[DAF86]

:lmao @ Rodgers top 3. Based on what?

What I was telling HarlemHeat37, there's a lot of people who still rank him up there.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao @ Rodgers top 3. Based on what?

Dude is at 51-6 on back-to-back 4000 yard seasons with a sub par receiver corpse. What kind of shitty Packers fan are you, anyhow?

[Spurtacular]

:lol Even Seattle was like, we ain't spending a 1st or 2nd rounder on this guy; we'll take our chances.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Zs8v3EIcQ

[FrostKing]

Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson, tbh.
Jimmy is superior to Jackson and I wouldn't put my guy Top 5

[Spurtacular]

Jimmy is superior to Jackson and I wouldn't put my guy Top 5

Jackson just had an MVP season. I'm not sure Jimmy is top ten even.

[DAF86]

:lol Even Seattle was like, we ain't spending a 1st or 2nd rounder on this guy; we'll take our chances.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Zs8v3EIcQ

So? The majority GOAT was selected 200. :lol

[FrostKing]

Jackson just had an MVP season. I'm not sure Jimmy is top ten even.
Yes Jackson had a monster season stat padding against Browns, Bengals, Dolphins, Jets (16 TDs)

No way I prefer Jackson under center on Saturday in a must win game, over Jimmy

[spurraider21]

Dude is at 51-6 on back-to-back 4000 yard seasons with a sub par receiver corpse. What kind of shitty Packers fan are you, anyhow?
:lol

[spurraider21]

Yes Jackson had a monster season stat padding against Browns, Bengals, Dolphins, Jets (16 TDs)
he led the NFL in touchdown passes with 36 despite only playing 15 games. he separately had another 7 rushing touchdowns. even if you take away those top 4 games you mentioned (which is a stupid thing to do), that is still 20 touchdown passes in 11 games, which puts him on pace for 29 in a full season. spoiler alert: thats more than jimmy had

i'll also wait for you to let us know jimmys games against cardinals and bengals (11 touchdowns in 3 games) dont count either


No way I prefer Jackson under center on Saturday in a must win game, over Jimmy
yeah beacuse one is black and one is white. nothing to do with how good they are

[Spurtacular]

:lol

They are a corpse pretty much. :lol

[FrostKing]

he led the NFL in touchdown passes with 36 despite only playing 15 games. he separately had another 7 rushing touchdowns. even if you take away those top 4 games you mentioned (which is a stupid thing to do), that is still 20 touchdown passes in 11 games, which puts him on pace for 29 in a full season. spoiler alert: thats more than jimmy had

i'll also wait for you to let us know jimmys games against cardinals and bengals (11 touchdowns in 3 games) dont count either


yeah beacuse one is black and one is white. nothing to do with how good they are
Compare Jimmy's performance in his teams biggest games (especially on the Road) to Jackson.

I'm seeing 2 total passing TDs for Jackson in 4 games - Patriots, Chiefs, Seahawks & 49ers. 2 games with 70.6 and below passer rating.

Great player against the doormats of the NFL. Average player against playoff competition.

Jimmy 7 passing TDs in 49ers four biggest games.

[Spurtacular]

Yes Jackson had a monster season stat padding against Browns, Bengals, Dolphins, Jets (16 TDs)

No way I prefer Jackson under center on Saturday in a must win game, over Jimmy

Either way, Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson (and Brees) were top of the class.

This year, Jimmy G was back there with Dak and Cousins.

[DAF86]

Compare Jimmy's performance in his teams biggest games (especially on the Road) to Jackson.

I'm seeing 2 total passing TDs for Jackson in 4 games - Patriots, Chiefs, Seahawks & 49ers. 2 games with 70.6 and below passer rating.

Great player against the doormats of the NFL. Average player against playoff competition.

Jimmy 7 passing TDs in 49ers four biggest games.

Why would you take out Jackson's rushing stats out of the equation? :lol

[spurraider21]

Compare Jimmy's performance in his teams biggest games (especially on the Road) to Jackson.

I'm seeing 2 total passing TDs for Jackson in 4 games - Patriots, Chiefs, Seahawks & 49ers. 2 games with 70.6 and below passer rating.

Great player against the doormats of the NFL. Average player against playoff competition.

Jimmy 7 passing TDs in 49ers four biggest games.
jackson was dominant in the biggest game against the pats. he only threw 1 passing TD but he was unstoppable all game. its a very archaic way to just look at TD passes

[HarlemHeat37]

What I was telling HarlemHeat37, there's a lot of people who still rank him up there.

I like CN, but his posting in the NFL forum is all schtick:lol you'll barely find Packers fans that rate Rodgers highly after the worst season of his career.

Ranking QBs is essentially ranking the best scheme and supporting cast, tbh. There are exceptions, of course(the elite of the elite all-time), but the only current elite QB that isn't aided by a scheme is Wilson. Even Mahomes, as great as he is, has a loaded team with a scheme that has made every previous QB in it look good, even the bad ones.

Kyle Shanahan makes every QB look good, as well, there's a reason Belichick wanted Jimmy G to go there:lol