Eliminated by a 2nd Rd. Team yet no changes aside from Murray?

[SpurPadre]

Nuggets were just eliminated by a crippled team that will be slaughtered by the Dubs...and the plan is to trot out the same team PLUS Murray and maybe get lucky in the draft? Bleak outlook, tbh.

[Pavlov]

Give us your plan.

[slick'81]

We have two rookies who probably wont play but the mle should bring in new blood

[Trainwreck2100]

Nobody wants the players the Spurs have besides murray so how do the Spurs adjust?

[picnroll]

OP can’t you just post in the other whiny thread instead of starting a new whiny thread?

[GreekSpursfan]

OP is right unfortunately. TANK

[R. DeMurre]

The off season hasn't even started yet. Geez, at least wait for the draft and free agency to happen before you start crying.

[SpurPadre]

The off season hasn't even started yet. Geez, at least wait for the draft and free agency to happen before you start crying.

That's all well and good for a blind homer except that Pop already said there won't be any real changes.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Give us your plan.

He is giving his plan......

Just continue posting here talking bad about the team and front office. Lol

[Spurtacular]

Give us your plan.

Give us your plan.

[SpurPadre]

OP can’t you just post in the other whiny thread instead of starting a new whiny thread?

Why can't you just stop being a blind homer or just ignore the thread if it doesn't cater to your MO of just cheering everything the team does?

[SpurPadre]

Give us your plan.

Thank you. My point with this is that it's going to be a while before we get back to relevance.

[Leetonidas]

Lillard/McCollum >>> anyone on the Spurs roster

[Spurtacular]

Lillard/McCollum >>> anyone on the Spurs roster

Big drop off after that though. They're relying on Rodney Hood to be their third scorer (though Kanter looks like he picked up some of the load today).

[Pavlov]

Thank you. My point with this is that it's going to be a while before we get back to relevance.And?

[tbdog]

Nugget lose and ST is 'hey look, Spurs lost to pretenders.'
If Nuggets win, 'hey look, Spurs would have been in WCF if didn't choke.'

Do you people actually smile during the day or only consider cutting your wrist?

[B1gduff]

Well the ref's basically helped Denver get past us. should have easily been 3-0 heading to game 4.
Having Murray is going to be big.

[wildcardX]

Thank you. My point with this is that it's going to be a while before we get back to relevance.

Happens to every team eventually. The Spurs still making the playoffs and not far behind the other second round teams besides the Warriors. No need to make drastic decisions yet. I enjoyed watching the young core develop this year and they have an extra pick in this draft. Would much rather have that then to see them tank and looking like shit for 4-5 years to MAYBE even be contenders. Who knows maybe have enough assets to trade up in a future draft or trade for a all star level player and be in a better position than straight up tanking.

[GreekSpursfan]

Nugget lose and ST is 'hey look, Spurs lost to pretenders.'
If Nuggets win, 'hey look, Spurs would have been in WCF if didn't choke.'

Do you people actually smile during the day or only consider cutting your wrist?

:lol

[TXstbobcat]

The Mills contract extension is currently being negotiated.

[Nathan89]

Yeah, that's the plan. Hard to change from that once you make the kawhi trade. The only other plan is blowing it up.

[RC_Drunkford]

this franchise is content with being losers as long as the players bond with each other on things like coffee gang. Winning hasn't been a priority here since 2014 happened

[TimDunkem]

The Mills contract extension is currently being negotiated.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol still building ur team around a instagram chump?
i bet yah his been waiting for kawhi and the raptors to fail, to posts someshit....

[Dennis the Menace]

The Mills contract extension is currently being negotiated.

Jesus Christ. No fucking way this front office is that dumb?

[itzsoweezee]

Big drop off after that though. They're relying on Rodney Hood to be their third scorer (though Kanter looks like he picked up some of the load today).

Nurkic is hurt. But yeah, the blazers' top 3 players are clearly better than the Spurs' top 3. And they are younger too. The role players on both teams are basically a wash, but kanter is better than anyone on the Spurs bench.

[DPG21920]

Nurkic is hurt. But yeah, the blazers' top 3 players are clearly better than the Spurs' top 3. And they are younger too. The role players on both teams are basically a wash, but kanter is better than anyone on the Spurs bench.

What?

[Kurgan]

this franchise is content with being losers as long as the players bond with each other on things like coffee gang. Winning hasn't been a priority here since 2014 happened

That recent article about Pop and his obsession with wine says it all. Pop seems more interested in dining with his group of "culture" guys instead of winning basketball games.

[itzsoweezee]

Happens to every team eventually. The Spurs still making the playoffs and not far behind the other second round teams besides the Warriors. No need to make drastic decisions yet. I enjoyed watching the young core develop this year and they have an extra pick in this draft. Would much rather have that then to see them tank and looking like shit for 4-5 years to MAYBE even be contenders. Who knows maybe have enough assets to trade up in a future draft or trade for a all star level player and be in a better position than straight up tanking.

The Spurs manged this very poorly, however. It's hard to think of a worse outcome for the kawhi trade than picking up DeMar and his antiquated game and shitty contract. That's the type of move a team makes when it thinks it's smarter than it actually is. They could've had the exact same outcome, a first round knockout, if they traded kawhi for a decent first round pick or a decent role player.

Now they're stuck with no flexibility and a couple of young guys that might be good or might not, but won't get much development because Pop is going to continue to run this team through vets that don't deserve it

[Dennis the Menace]

That recent article about Pop and his obsession with wine says it all. Pop seems more interested in dining with his group of "culture" guys instead of winning basketball games.
Culture > Winning is the front office way

[R. DeMurre]

That's all well and good for a blind homer except that Pop already said there won't be any real changes.

:lol Yeah, you're such a visionary drama queen.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Who said that? Do you have insiders info OP? Off season hasnt even started and OP already on suicide watch. This is amazing tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Who said that? Do you have insiders info OP? Off season hasnt even started and OP already on suicide watch. This is amazing tbh.

It's how they work. Resign guys to loyalty deals, develop the players they have, and hope something good comes out of the draft.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Culture > Winning is the front office way

Try coaching a group of young, undereducated, black thugs. Lets see how long youll last.

[TimDunkem]

Try coaching a group of young, undereducated, black thugs. Lets see how long youll last.

Wtf. Why do they have to be black? Why not just young, undereducated thugs?

David Duke is that you?

[DavidTheGoliath]

It's how they work. Resign guys to loyalty deals, develop the players they have, and hope something good comes out of the draft.

I know that. What OPs wishing is to move heaven and earth. I mean how many teams want anyone from the current roster? Mills? Belli? DDR and LMA will definitely stay, but i hope not for DDR. Gay will be a free agent but keeping him would be the more logical thing, if you read timvps post regarding the resigning of Gay. We dont have the pieces to sign anyone that will move the needle, how much more make a deal with the Spurs.

We have 2 late first rounders, that should give this team something to work for.

The made the playoffs. What we can only hope for is this team stat healthy all year round and make another run in the playoffs.

I mean seriouslt how many fans out there would wish their team can win 48 games next season?

[DavidTheGoliath]

Wtf. Why do they have to be black? Why not just young, undereducated thugs?

David Duke is that you?

There is a 1 Chris Anderson : 10 JR Smith Ratio in the NBA. Snorting coke outta some hookers butthole after every game. Because that how these people "flex". Should that be pointed out to you?

[Kurgan]

Nuggets were just eliminated by a crippled team that will be slaughtered by the Dubs...and the plan is to trot out the same team PLUS Murray and maybe get lucky in the draft? Bleak outlook, tbh.

Just a pathetic way to go out when your 10 year vet duo(Derozan/LMA) choke harder than a group of playoff virgins. The Nuggets were exposed when they played against a competent vet duo in Lillard/McCollum. This should be a signal to the front office that you can't build around these two losers. Unfortunately, they'll probably extend them and keep the treadmill rolling until they retire with us.

Ideally, shitty fake stars like Aldridge and Derozan should be Carmelo'd out of the league. They play stupid, archaic basketball. Derozan's ugly Kobe style is poisoning the team and I'd rather he leave before he infects the minds of the youngsters. We don't need them taking inspiration from a terrible 90s throwback.

[Down Under]

Lonnie will get a decent crack & obviously DJ will make a big difference. Drafting 2 forwards or trading into the lottery for one should make us pretty good next season IMO.

[ZeusWillJudge]

OP is right unfortunately. TANK


It's too late for that, Jackass. It would have been effective 3 or even 2 seasons ago. They would have had the new blood on the team, and their young players would have some good experience and court time together. They wouldn't have Fifty Mills bloated contract. They wouldn't have wasted $16M on Gasol last year, or $15M on him this year, or $5M on him next year. And if they had really, really committed to clearing space to bring in good players, they might still have Nephew.

Tanking now only does one thing - it gets the Spurs one draft pick. Before, it would have been strategic. Now it would just be desperation.

[ElNono]

:pop: "Millions of planets were discovered yesterday, basketball is trivial"

[Atl Spur]

I hope we can find a way to add Prince from Atlanta; if they get hunter he’s gone. Anyone drafted should not be relied upon heavily; development / acclimation that first year is paramount. 29/ 2nd round pick will probably be a draft & stashes. That’s why for me drafting Okeke in the first round is an ideal situation....

[Atl Spur]

We are not that far off from being a problem!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Ironic that the team that triggered shitty thread no.1000 is a team that was swept in the first round last season by a 2nd round fodder, then did nothing in the summer and are now in the WCF.

[therealtruth]

It's pretty obvious to win now you need to get some athletic wings that can shoot, defend, and playmake. I don't see why more teams aren't doing that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Great that Denver got karma to bite them after their seeding machinations.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Are you expecting a title contender? This team is trash and won't win shit for years.

[DJR210]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

I've been patient and positive w/ the Spurs no matter what they've done over the years. But if Patty gets extended, dear god

[r0drig0lac]

replace Dante / Quincy / Mills and Marco with four athletic wings (two draft picks) with size, who can defend and hit occasional the open three (none of them need to be a specialist), and we are the second best team in the conference, even with all problems of Aldridge (engine) and Derozan (decision making).


Crowder
Carroll
Prince
Jeff Green
Sefolosha
Stanley
Harkless
Aminu
Jeremi Grant
Morris brothers
Covington
Craig
Snell
Winslow
Miles Bidges
Ariza
Temple
etc...

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Are you expecting a title contender? This team is trash and won't win shit for years.

Are we in the 2nd round or even WCF with a healthy Murray?

I think you can guess so given we lost a couple very close games where his defense and rebounding make a huge difference.

Furthermore, we also will have year 2 of Walker, coming off yet another GLeague and Summer run like White had. I'd expect him to be loads better.

It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that we are in the championship game next year with pretty much the same roster, IF, Durant signs elsewhere, particularly in the East with NY or something.

[GreekSpursfan]

It's too late for that, Jackass. It would have been effective 3 or even 2 seasons ago. They would have had the new blood on the team, and their young players would have some good experience and court time together. They wouldn't have Fifty Mills bloated contract. They wouldn't have wasted $16M on Gasol last year, or $15M on him this year, or $5M on him next year. And if they had really, really committed to clearing space to bring in good players, they might still have Nephew.

Tanking now only does one thing - it gets the Spurs one draft pick. Before, it would have been strategic. Now it would just be desperation.

First of all watch your language, what are you 5 years old? This team as presently constracted is going nowhere fast. There is NO cornestone on this team and you'll never find it outside the lottery, the Giannis of the world don't come around every year. You will NEVER win without a center piece never. This team is the definition of a treadmill team. I'm not the GM, they better figure out how to get out of those bad contracts or the treadmill wil continue for years. Sam Hinkie knew that and did the right thing but he wasn't good at drafting. I'm all for some Hinkie process. Its never late if you are smart and can find the idiot GM to do business with.
But OP is right and i laugh at people thinking that Murray is gonna be the difference maker next season or White is gonna make any huge leap. I love Pop but he needs to retire yesterday and start the rebuilding somehow. These next two years will be more of the same.

[exstatic]

Nurkic is hurt. But yeah, the blazers' top 3 players are clearly better than the Spurs' top 3. And they are younger too. The role players on both teams are basically a wash, but kanter is better than anyone on the Spurs bench.

Lillard will be 29 in July. He's literally a year younger than DDR. McCollum will be 28 in September. In contrast, our 'Old' younger guard, White, will be 25 in July. Dejounte will be 23 in September. Lonnie will be 21 in December.

[ECOV]

That's all well and good for a blind homer except that Pop already said there won't be any real changes.

Good we don't need to change much just bring a SF

[itzsoweezee]

Lillard will be 29 in July. He's literally a year younger than DDR. McCollum will be 28 in September. In contrast, our 'Old' younger guard, White, will be 25 in July. Dejounte will be 23 in September. Lonnie will be 21 in December.
Lillard, McCollum, and Nurkic, is a much better and younger core than DDR, Aldridge, and Murray.

[Russ]

Nuggets were just eliminated by a crippled team that will be slaughtered by the Dubs...and the plan is to trot out the same team PLUS Murray and maybe get lucky in the draft? Bleak outlook, tbh.

Young players get better year to year even if no one makes any changes . . .

That's why the Spurs from 2002 on got better. It wasn't Big Dog Robinson.

[itzsoweezee]

Are we in the 2nd round or even WCF with a healthy Murray?

I think you can guess so given we lost a couple very close games where his defense and rebounding make a huge difference.

Furthermore, we also will have year 2 of Walker, coming off yet another GLeague and Summer run like White had. I'd expect him to be loads better.

It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that we are in the championship game next year with pretty much the same roster, IF, Durant signs elsewhere, particularly in the East with NY or something.

This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.

[exstatic]

Lillard, McCollum, and Nurkic, is a much better and younger core than DDR, Aldridge, and Murray.

Yeah, except that's not our core going forward. People keep harping on DDR and Aldridge when neither may be on the roster in 3 years. They're nothing more than a bridge. The building blocks going forward are our three guards, Poeltl, and our draft picks over the next few years.

[DPG21920]

Lillard, McCollum, and Nurkic, is a much better and younger core than DDR, Aldridge, and Murray.

So that core that is so much better took the same DEN team to 7 that SA did and got a narrow win that Spurs almost did as well. Ok.

[R. DeMurre]

Ironic that the team that triggered shitty thread no.1000 is a team that was swept in the first round last season by a 2nd round fodder, then did nothing in the summer and are now in the WCF.

Great point.

[itzsoweezee]

Yeah, except that's not our core going forward. People keep harping on DDR and Aldridge when neither may be on the roster in 3 years. They're nothing more than a bridge. The building blocks going forward are our three guards, Poeltl, and our draft picks over the next few years.

Ouch. That's an even worse "core". The plan is to go from mediocre to bad? So they're just putting off rebuilding for 3 years

[itzsoweezee]

So that core that is so much better took the same DEN team to 7 that SA did and got a narrow win that Spurs almost did as well. Ok.

They lost Nurkic right before the playoffs. They're much better than the Spurs, even with no jumpshot Murray

[Pavlov]

They lost Nurkic right before the playoffs. They're much better than the Spurs, even with no jumpshot MurraySo you're a Spurs fan?

[elec7ro]

here me out, there's this magical thing called >player development< that we've been doing for about 20 years. that's the plan. I really don't understand why damn near every spurs fan is so pessimistic, we just went through our first year of a complete roster change and some of y'all thought everything was going to be peaches and cream.

[Seventyniner]

Ironic that the team that triggered shitty thread no.1000 is a team that was swept in the first round last season by a 2nd round fodder, then did nothing in the summer and are now in the WCF.

[R. DeMurre]

The basic premise of the thread is pretty biased and disingenuous to begin with... The Spurs were in it with 30 seconds left in Game 7 with Denver, who then also went to Game 7 and had a definite chance to win it at the end. So, if you're being honest, you'd have to conclude that all three teams were pretty evenly matched and any of them had a legitimate shot at making the WCF. Last year, Portland got knocked out in the first round and Denver missed the playoffs completely-- and neither team did much in the off season, but both improved in the post season.
Starting next season with a healthy Murray & White plus an acclimated Poeltl & DeRozan is a huge improvement over this year's start.

[itzsoweezee]

The basic premise of the thread is pretty biased and disingenuous to begin with... The Spurs were in it with 30 seconds left in Game 7 with Denver, who then also went to Game 7 and had a definite chance to win it at the end. So, if you're being honest, you'd have to conclude that all three teams were pretty evenly matched and any of them had a legitimate shot at making the WCF. Last year, Portland got knocked out in the first round and Denver missed the playoffs completely-- and neither team did much in the off season, but both improved in the post season.
Starting next season with a healthy Murray & White plus an acclimated Poeltl & DeRozan is a huge improvement over this year's start.


Given this huge improvement, how far will the Spurs advance next year?

[itzsoweezee]

here me out, there's this magical thing called >player development< that we've been doing for about 20 years. that's the plan. I really don't understand why damn near every spurs fan is so pessimistic, we just went through our first year of a complete roster change and some of y'all thought everything was going to be peaches and cream.

No, they had a guy called Tim Duncan. Heard of him? Then they had a guy called kawhi. You can't win in this league without a superstar or two. Developing young guys that aren't going to be superstars and paying mediocre guys superstar money will get you nothing but irrelevance

[R. DeMurre]

Given this huge improvement, how far will the Spurs advance next year?

Impossible to say, because so much is based on what else happens in the League. If Durant stays, Kawhi goes to the Clippers, and a Western conference team gets Zion, the West could be tougher. If Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving, Kemba, & Zion all play in the East, it could make the West a little easier. Also, obviously, who the Spurs get in the draft. Right now, barring injuries, I'd say a 52-55 win season/WCF appearance is within reach.

[TimDunkem]

This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.
Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.

Now, all we need is IG Baller (who still can't shoot), and we're champions? Riiiight.

[KobesAchilles]

Hypothetically we match up well with anybody going forward tbh. We have 2 elite defenders for guards and that will help with guarding: Rockets, Blazers, Jazz, Thunder, and even somewhat the Warriors (if Durant leaves).

The problem is still SF. Idk what the Spurs will do to address the situation, but clearly Rudy Gay isn’t the answer. I assume Kawhi is going to the Clippers and that will be a bad match up. Also if Durant stays then we are screwed either way but we wouldn’t match up well. Denver is a wild card tbh

so standing pat isn’t a dumb idea but it isn’t smart either. This draft (or the next one) will kinda determine the outlook for the next couple years. No pressure RC :lol

[vavvi]

This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.

Same disposition before this season. Yet we were able to sneak into the playoffs ahead of more talented teams like LAL or Pels. Moreover, we had a great chance for WCF with zero top15 players on the roster.
Next year we'll find the way to get into postseason just because of organizational sanity.

[SpurPadre]

Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.

Now, all we need is IG Baller (who still can't shoot), and we're champions? Riiiight.

Murray is still better than White and he's my favorite Spurs player so I'm definitely glad he's coming back. But it's unfortunate that he's going to have a lot of pressure to carry this lackluster team at times. I think Murray is a star in the making but it would be nice to get some more reliable help. Maybe in two years we'll be back in business but it's tough to expect much from next year's team.

[Chucho]

I've been patient and positive w/ the Spurs no matter what they've done over the years. But if Patty gets extended, dear god

This.

It will surpass my loathing of the Malik Rose deal and Bonner being on the roster as long as he was.

[elec7ro]

And now exactly do you know that one of these guys wont turn into a superstar? because I know for damn sure you didn't know kawhi was going to be a superstar.

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This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.

They could try to trade one of them, most likely Mills or DeRozan but that's not likely. As far as my delusions, you made me chuckle.

I think you underestimate how much of the Pop defense is geared toward stopping or at least slowing down the ball from the point of attack. Having either a combination or rotation of White and Murray, and hopefully an improved Walker out there will take a bunch of the load off the backside defense, which was the meat of our defense. Poeltl and Aldridge played well. We just need a better wing defender and we are automatically a very much improved defense over this year's squad. Assuming that falls into place, we win at least 7-8 more games next year, which in fact puts us in the two or three seed. We will be close with Denver who we lost a very close game 7 to in the final minute on the road. Imagine Murray's defense in that series.

Our offense should be even better. So if you take better D, and at minimum, equal offense, this squad will win more, not fewer games. Btw, Mills probably returns to better form next year since he'll likely be tasked with being who he is, a spot up shooter coming off screens rather than dribbling into his shot like he's had to the past 2 years. Murray immediately makes us better on both sides of the ball, and that's even before we know what kind of improvements we get from him on offense. Imagine him shooting 38% or better from 3. Holy shit.


We'll be fine. Maybe better than fine

[offset formation]

Impossible to say, because so much is based on what else happens in the League. If Durant stays, Kawhi goes to the Clippers, and a Western conference team gets Zion, the West could be tougher. If Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving, Kemba, & Zion all play in the East, it could make the West a little easier. Also, obviously, who the Spurs get in the draft. Right now, barring injuries, I'd say a 52-55 win season/WCF appearance is within reach.


Hypothetically we match up well with anybody going forward tbh. We have 2 elite defenders for guards and that will help with guarding: Rockets, Blazers, Jazz, Thunder, and even somewhat the Warriors (if Durant leaves).

The problem is still SF. Idk what the Spurs will do to address the situation, but clearly Rudy Gay isn’t the answer. I assume Kawhi is going to the Clippers and that will be a bad match up. Also if Durant stays then we are screwed either way but we wouldn’t match up well. Denver is a wild card tbh

so standing pat isn’t a dumb idea but it isn’t smart either. This draft (or the next one) will kinda determine the outlook for the next couple years. No pressure RC :lol

Good posts.

[itzsoweezee]

So you're a Spurs fan?

I've been a Spurs fan since the Robinson years. I know what front office incompetence looks like. Guess you don't

[itzsoweezee]

Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.



Lol, they will never admit this. These dudes were mediocre even before the sprawlball era. Now they're just antiquated and the roster is full of them. The league had passed this front office by. You hate to see it

[rjv]

This sort of delusion is amazing. I guess tell yourself whatever it takes to get yourself to sleep at night, but the Spurs have zero shot at a top 4 seed next year and absolutely are not getting out of the first round.

All of these teams will be better than San Antonio next year: GSW, LAC, DEN, POR, HOU. And that's not even considering LAL, DAL, OKC. The Spurs will be lucky to get the 8 seed.

LMA is going to be past his prime, DDR will be a net negative player (again), Murray can't score, Lonnie will essentially play his rookie year and be on a very short leash, the 2 first round picks will get next to no playing time. It all adds up to a big pile of mediocrity. If the front office is smart, they'll try to get out of the LMA/DDR/Mills contract, but who are we kidding, we know that's not going to happen.

i think what i got most out of this post is that for every overly optimistic projection for the upcoming season (based partially on unverified presumptions and hopes) there's an equally overly pessimistic projection (based partially on unverified presumptions and doubts).

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs are clearly behind the Warriors (perhaps even without KD, if they keep everyone else) and a notch behind the Rockets (though it will be quite hard for them to improve). Any other team can be had in a 7-game series. Getting Murray back should be an improvement at least on par with internal improvements by any other team.

[exstatic]

This series may have broken the Rockets. They had a great chance, but now have been shown that GS doesn't need KD to absolutely kick their asses. There's really no path forward for them.

[Pavlov]

I've been a Spurs fan since the Robinson years. I know what front office incompetence looks like. Guess you don't:lol You want the Robinson era FOs back?

[Realdeal1]

Draft and develop .. that's the key to success for the Spurs .. everyone knows we can't attract big names free agents

[JeffDuncan]

It isn't about attracting them, it's about paying them. Sad to say, they expect to be paid. The Spurs don't have $25 million lying around unused.

[jmard5]

The Spurs personnel were designed with Kawhi as the centerpiece to begin with. It will be interesting to see how they will use DeRozan with Aldridge next season, along with the White and Murray. I still trust the FO. I will approach the season seeing the cup half full. The rest of you whiners can opt to begin the season jumping off cliffs.

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs personnel were designed with Kawhi as the centerpiece to begin with. ...

That is not true. It's another Spurstalk myth.

[ducks]

Spurs had murray they could beat Gs this year

[jmard5]

That is not true. It's another Spurstalk myth.

Kawhi has 1 year left on his contract before he was traded. You're telling me that the roster wasn't designed for him and LMA?

[JeffDuncan]

Kawhi has 1 year left on his contract before he was traded. You're telling me that the roster wasn't designed for him and LMA?

Pop's been sitting on the Spurs sideline for more than 2 decades. Right in front of his face he's seen players go down with injuries, many times, including some season-ending and even career-ending injuries.

Design a whole roster around one particular player? Pop would not do that. He knows better. It's a Spurstalk myth.

[exstatic]

Pop's been sitting on the Spurs sideline for more than 2 decades. Right in front of his face he's seen players go down with injuries, many times, including some season-ending and even career-ending injuries.

Design a whole roster around one particular player? Pop would not do that. He knows better. It's a Spurstalk myth.

Don’t know what color the sky is in your world, but the roster was constructed around Duncan for his whole career. It’s not a myth, and it’s nothing new.

[JeffDuncan]

Don’t know what color the sky is in your world, but the roster was constructed around Duncan for his whole career. It’s not a myth, and it’s nothing new.

I know you want to believe your little mythology. But no, PATFO didn't sign Parker just because they thought he'd be a useful appendage to Duncan. They signed Parker because he was good in his own right. Same with Manu. Same with all of them.

That little myth you believe in is silly.

[exstatic]

I know you want to believe your little mythology. But no, PATFO didn't sign Parker just because they thought he'd be a useful appendage to Duncan. They signed Parker because he was good in his own right. Same with Manu. Same with all of them.

That little myth you believe in is silly.
:lol. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quantity, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this shit instead.

[JeffDuncan]

:lol. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quantity, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this shit instead.

Pal, you write like you're mentally ill. What you wrote there is just a spew of crazy mixed up garbage about a dozen different things all scrambled together.

You wrote that crazy spew, and then concluded with a remark about spinning shit. Which is exactly what you just did.. You're talking to yourself like a nut case.

The current Spurs roster was never built around Leonard, and the earlier rosters were never built around Duncan. Those are myths you believe. You believe them because you don't think well and you don't know any better.

Pop does not build rosters around particular players, because he knows better. He signs players because of what he thinks the players, themselves, can contribute to the team.

Team. You've heard of it. That's why Pop speaks of the "system," and the culture, and all that. He focuses on the team. Pop has his flaws, but he is not crazy like you are.

Pop has seen enough, right in front of his face, that he would never take the presence of one particular player for granted. Your crazy notion about that is a myth.

[lefty20]

Nephew fucked us over real good. It's gonna take longer than a year to recover. It'll be nice going into next couple seasons without any real expectations, just gonna watch and see what DJ, White & Walker are capable off.

[elec7ro]

No, they had a guy called Tim Duncan. Heard of him? Then they had a guy called kawhi. You can't win in this league without a superstar or two. Developing young guys that aren't going to be superstars and paying mediocre guys superstar money will get you nothing but irrelevance
And how exactly do you know that one of these guys wont turn into a superstar? because I know for damn sure you didn't know kawhi was going to be what he is.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Did you watch the Spurs? Parker earned his starting role six games into the season and later destroyed Gary Payton in the first round of playoffs. And Manu was not a late bloomer, he arrived to NBA late. These two together, minus Duncan, would have arguably been the best starting backcourt in NBA for a decade.

:lol. Parker was an unknown, skinny little kid from France who had no jumper. He was not much good for his first four seasons, and was roundly despised here by many until Chip was hired to fix his shot. Manu was a bit more of an international known quantity, but he was already 25 when he was brought over, a late bloomer if ever there was one. You couldn’t build a team around either of them, but they could be the team built around Tim, and that worked out quite well. Keep believing whatever helps your “I hate PATFO!” Narrative though. The team was built for Kawhi, and his leaving left a Grand Canyon sized hole in those plans. That would require that you give Pop credit for making the playoffs the last two years, though. Massive credit. You can’t do that, so you spin this shit instead.

[Kurgan]

Facts. These fluffers are so delusional that they forget that they were trashing these losers DD, LMA, and Gay for never having "it" before they were Spurs, saying that they can never win.

Good point.

LMA was looked down upon as a chucker/choke artist when he played for the Blazers. He puts on a Spurs uniform and suddenly he's our beloved leader. The Derozan shit is even worse. Spurs fans have always shat on Kobe for his stupid shots and ugly style of basketball(deservedly so). K-mart Kobe joins the team and now we have to pretend that this cancerous style of basketball is good for the team going forward? At least the Derozan critics are consistent in their hate for Kobe ball.

[exstatic]

Did you watch the Spurs? Parker earned his starting role six games into the season and later destroyed Gary Payton in the first round of playoffs. And Manu was not a late bloomer, he arrived to NBA late. These two together, minus Duncan, would have arguably been the best starting backcourt in NBA for a decade.

Parker started 6 games into his rookie year, because the other option was Antonio Daniels. :lol He got benched during the 2003 Finals, and cost us the 2004 Laker series because he literally could not shoot behind a pick and roll screen. Manu arrived to the NBA late, because the Spurs didn't feel he was ready. Call that whatever you like. Neither would have been even 75-80% of the players they became because of Tim, without Tim.

[BackHome]

Thank you. My point with this is that it's going to be a while before we get back to relevance.

No Shit - But I get you to a point we not getting Timmy or David type of player in our life time so ease up with tanking or getting a tittle. I do think we should do things such as letting Cunningham and Poindexter walk, buy a first or second from some team looking for money or cap relief. Bring over Nikola or use him in a trade, sign Ben Moore, Let Metu walk if we can find better.

[rascal]

Impossible to say, because so much is based on what else happens in the League. If Durant stays, Kawhi goes to the Clippers, and a Western conference team gets Zion, the West could be tougher. If Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving, Kemba, & Zion all play in the East, it could make the West a little easier. Also, obviously, who the Spurs get in the draft. Right now, barring injuries, I'd say a 52-55 win season/WCF appearance is within reach.

The Spurs are closer to a lottery team than a WCF finalist.

[rascal]

Spurs had murray they could beat Gs this year

You act like Murray is some type of superstar talent. The Spurs will be in the lottery next year.

[rascal]

Lol, they will never admit this. These dudes were mediocre even before the sprawlball era. Now they're just antiquated and the roster is full of them. The league had passed this front office by. You hate to see it

The front office rode the greatness of Tim Duncan. No more Duncan, now we are seeing how great the front office is and looks to be nothing special.

[TheSpurglar]

Ironic that the team that triggered shitty thread no.1000 is a team that was swept in the first round last season by a 2nd round fodder, then did nothing in the summer and are now in the WCF.

This. :lol