Is Skinny Draymond Green a Top Ten Player in the League?

[timvp]

The fat Draymond Green in the regular season obviously isn't a top ten player but this current 25-pound lighter Draymond Green might be, tbh.

-Best defensive player in the league. Elite defending the post. Elite help defense. Elite on switches. He's not like a Rudy Gobert who becomes a liability in certain matchups. There's never a time when Green is a liability on defense.

-Highest basketball IQ in the league. Defensive IQ might be highest all-time.

-Best passing bigman. Great court vision, great patience, sees openings before they develop.

-Best ball-handling bigman. When he's out leading the break, he's a beast.

-Best emotional leader in the NBA. (Does more than arrange coffee dates :rolleyes)

Yeah, his offense is in a steep decline and he can't shoot anymore but even so he has a strong argument, IMO.

[140]

The fat Draymond Green in the regular season obviously isn't a top ten player but this current 25-pound lighter Draymond Green might be, tbh.

-Best defensive player in the league. Elite defending the post. Elite help defense. Elite on switches. He's not like a Rudy Gobert who becomes a liability in certain matchups. There's never a time when Green is a liability on defense.

-Highest basketball IQ in the league. Defensive IQ might be highest all-time.

-Best passing bigman. Great court vision, great patience, sees openings before they develop.

-Best ball-handling bigman. When he's out leading the break, he's a beast.

-Best emotional leader in the NBA. (Does more than arrange coffee dates :rolleyes)

Yeah, his offense is in a steep decline and he can't shoot anymore but even so he has a strong argument, IMO.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Laker_1995]

Draymond much better with cousins out

[Capt Bringdown]

I'd like to see Draymond try to guard a big such as Hakeem or Ewing.

Oopps, they don't exist anymore.

[313]

Can Hakeem and Ewing guard small ball?

[UZER]

He cheats so much on defense. Other teams / coaches do not exploit that. Like when a small on GS gets switched off on a big, he wil completely ignore his man and come to help.

[Jonnyblue19]

Yes, if I ever want to start a team today I think of Green.:rollin

[daslicer]

Wanted to see Nuggets vs Warriors just to see him get worked by Jokic. Jokic believe it or not has caused him problems the last few years. Warriors would have still won but it would have been fun to see Draymond getting exhausted guarding Jokic.

[Jonnyblue19]

Wanted to see Nuggets vs Warriors just to see him get worked by Jokic. Jokic believe it or not has caused him problems the last few years. Warriors would have still won but it would have been fun to see Draymond getting exhausted guarding Jokic.

Well the Greek Freak will give him problems. Plus as soon as they double Giannis he has enough shooters that will make them pay.

[daslicer]

Well the Greek Freak will give him problems. Plus as soon as they double Giannis he has enough shooters that will make them pay.

I agree. Giannis looks like he's too strong for Draymond to push around.

[Jonnyblue19]

I agree. Giannis looks like he's too strong for Draymond to push around.

Yea I saw some plays were Giannis pushing Lebron around earlier and he was even bull dozing Aron Baynes last round.

[daslicer]

Yea I saw some plays were Giannis pushing Lebron around earlier and he was even bull dozing Aron Baynes last round.

I was impressed when I saw him back down Andre Drummond underneath the basket. Drummond looks like he could be 270-280 and Giannis literally backed him down underneath the basked and scored on him

[UZER]

I agree. Giannis looks like he's too strong for Draymond to push around.

But here’s the thing, if Draymond gets backed down a couple of times, he will break out the Baraka knives and just start hacking away over and over until the refs swallow the whistle to avoid fouling him out. Then we get the “Oh my God, Draymond defense is incredible!” comments.

[Jonnyblue19]

I was impressed when I saw him back down Andre Drummond underneath the basket. Drummond looks like he could be 270-280 and Giannis literally backed him down underneath the basked and scored on him


Yea, he uses his body the same way Kiwi does, basically being able to over power bigger players. And if you play him straight up he will just go by you. He is so deceptively strong it is scary.

[Jonnyblue19]

But here’s the thing, if Draymond gets backed down a couple of times, he will break out the Baraka knives and just start hacking away over and over until the refs swallow the whistle to avoid fouling him out. Then we get the “Oh my God, Draymond defense is incredible!” comments.

I think the refs will have to call it because Giannis arms are so long they will have no choice considering he will be hacking him right across them. And if they don't call anything I can see Giannis start lowering his shoulder and attacking Green. What I like about him, is he has a mean streak himself and isn't afraid of anyone. Most people are afraid of Green and try to play finesse ball instead of going up strong. I use to love when Blake was younger and he would try to dunk on everyone.

[apalisoc_9]

He's close. But Dominant Green will never receive the recognition. His legacy will be a coattailer.

Hes probably closer to 12-15 though

[apalisoc_9]

He should have two DPOY now though.

Kawhi winning DPOY playing 50 games :lol

[Jonnyblue19]

He should have two DPOY now though.

Kawhi winning DPOY playing 50 games :lol


A shame that Duncan never won once, when Fat Gasol actually has one as well!

[timvp]

He cheats so much on defense. Other teams / coaches do not exploit that. Like when a small on GS gets switched off on a big, he wil completely ignore his man and come to help.

That's part of his genius, tbh. He's the best I've ever seen at knowing when to double off his man. If his man isn't a threat or there's no passing angle, he doesn't just stand around defending empty space like 99% of the players who've played basketball. He'll either double or start rotating over to where the ball-handler ends up passing the ball.

[DAF86]

I would need to see him on another team to make that sort of claim, tbh.

[baseline bum]

I'd like to see Draymond try to guard a big such as Hakeem or Ewing.

Oopps, they don't exist anymore.

Hakeem and Ewing belong in the same sentence like Porsche and Chrysler do tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

as long he continues to attack the basket, whether to score or create... his a threat to other teams

notice this when his team needs a basket, he attacks the rim hero ball...yet the other team sometimes caught by surprise this clown is trying to score when his not really a scorer..he makes them look dumb

[UZER]

That's part of his genius, tbh. He's the best I've ever seen at knowing when to double off his man. If his man isn't a threat or there's no passing angle, he doesn't just stand around defending empty space like 99% of the players who've played basketball. He'll either double or start rotating over to where the ball-handler ends up passing the ball.

I don’t disagree. But you call it genius, I call lazy coaching. Coaches are so stuck in their “this is what we do, this is who we are” mentality, they won’t get uncomfortable and go outside of their box to exploit Draymond in a series. I’m not saying it’s easy either. The guy is the cog of the entire defense. But one weakness is he’s easily frustrated and can be taken out of a game mentally.

[RD2191]

10/10 trolling tbh

[lefty]

Timvp needs to learn from Harlem

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Did Harlem hack into timvp‘s account?

[spurraider21]

Spurstalk continues to be sensitive about draymond since being conditioned to do so during Kawhi tenure

[lefty]

Did Harlem hack into timvp‘s account?

Nah

Harlem would have done this right tbh :lol

[polandprzem]

He can't guard bigs inside and ppl are going past him. Warriors plays more of a collective D with perfect spread. Iggy if younger is better on D.

[R. DeMurre]

His BBIQ is amazingly high, but he'll also always have as part of his legacy being principally responsible for ruining a 73-9 season with a series of foolish fouls and an untimely suspension that cost his team the chance to claim Greatest Season Ever. Kudos to Steve Kerr for managing him-- it can't be an easy task.

[spurraider21]

He’s an elite, all time role player. He wouldn’t thrive at all on a bad team imo. But on this team hes lethal. Most of his playmaking happens because curry gets trapped and green effectively runs point in 4 on 3 situations

[RC_Drunkford]

just hoping the Warriors FO thinks the same way like TimVP and gives him a max contract :spin No way in hell is he top 10

[KobesAchilles]

When I think of top 10 players, I think of players who if I had on my team they would lead me to the playoffs. I also give LeBron the benefit of the doubt since it’s his first mess up in like 15 years. I just don’t see how a Draymond led team could make the playoffs.

[WallyTiger]

Zaza is better.

[spursreport]

I agree. Giannis looks like he's too strong for Draymond to push around.

The Bucks have all the tools to take down the Warriors. Hunger, coaching, talent, length, length, length, depth, shooting, an elite star, etc etc. A low IQ Rocket team had multiple chances against them. Milwaukee is anti-Houston in that regard.

[Jonnyblue19]

The Bucks have all the tools to take down the Warriors. Hunger, coaching, talent, length, length, length, depth, shooting, an elite star, etc etc. A low IQ Rocket team had multiple chances against them. Milwaukee is anti-Houston in that regard.

So true. Also the biggest thing they have over Houston is ball movement. I mean year after year Pringles let's Harden dance with the ball every single time he has it. Worse coaching I have ever seen.

[The Gemini Method]

Draymond a top 10? I don't subscribe to lists. It's an exercise in futility. I do know, he drives the defense for the Warriors. When he got in the face of Looney during their comeback run in the 3rd, you could see he was orchestrating the defense to its highest point. On the offensive side, he can be the 2nd/3rd PG with Curry and when Slim is back. He is, though so crucial to what they do, that's for certain.

[Capt Bringdown]

Hakeem and Ewing belong in the same sentence like Porsche and Chrysler do tbh.

I agree, Ewing is a Hall of Famer whilst Hakeem is a top 5 all-time.
I suppose the sentence that they belong together in is the one in which either one would kick Draymond Green's ass.

[FkLA]

He’s an elite, all time role player. He wouldn’t thrive at all on a bad team imo. But on this team hes lethal. Most of his playmaking happens because curry gets trapped and green effectively runs point in 4 on 3 situations

You can't be a Top 10 player as just a role player though. I can't get behind that. Like you said, his success can be attributed to him playing off of Curry's gravity. Top 10 guys are supposed to be the ones opening things up for others, not playing off of others.

Doing shit like playing 2 on 1 and lobbying it to McGee/Looney once the defender steps up is nothing impressive. Neither is sitting at the top of the key holding the ball, mouthbreathing waiting for Steph/Klaynus to run around screens. Defensively, he's obviously great but he gets away with so much shit as well just because he's a loudmouth. If someone like DWhite got away with half the shit he does he'd be the best defensive PG of all-time. Great glue guy but the fact that he has multiple all-star selections under his belt is disgusting, tbh.

[spurraider21]

You can't be a Top 10 player as just a role player though. I can't get behind that. Like you said, his success can be attributed to him playing off of Curry's gravity. Top 10 guys are supposed to be the ones opening things up for others, not playing off of others.

Doing shit like playing 2 on 1 and lobbying it to McGee/Looney once the defender steps up is nothing impressive. Neither is sitting at the top of the key holding the ball, mouthbreathing waiting for Steph/Klaynus to run around screens. Defensively, he's obviously great but he gets away with so much shit as well just because he's a loudmouth. If someone like DWhite got away with half the shit he does he'd be the best defensive PG of all-time. Great glue guy but the fact that he has multiple all-star selections under his belt is disgusting, tbh.
any good passing big can be successful "mouthbreating" and waiting for screens and cutters. duncan/pau were renowned for their top of the key passing ability. you didnt shit on duncan for having that skill. fact is not that many bigs do it well. jokic is a better passer than dray, but cant think of any other bigs.

i do think that a lot of his success comes from essentially commanding a 4 on 3, but the versatility of being able to be that kind of ball handler while also playing great interior defense and rebounding is invaluable. i dont think he's a top 10 player in the league in the sense that if we are drafting rosters, there's no way he's the 10th guy off the board.

but how many guys would be better than green for the warriors... honestly cant think of many

[DMC]

When you have that kind of offensive firepower behind you, anything you do can seem pretty good, since the game doesn't hinge on your efforts most of the time. This is a team where Andre Iguodala won a finals MVP.

[Down Under]

For me, he is. His skillset is almost completely unique.

[daslicer]

I will say this the refs have made him a defensive superstar on the defensive end much like they have made Harden great on the offensive end granted they don't give Harden the calls during the playoffs. For 90 percent of players it's impossible for them to score on Draymond in the post simply because he's allowed to handcheck, grab, hold, and a foul a bunch of times without it being called.

[spurraider21]

When you have that kind of offensive firepower behind you, anything you do can seem pretty good, since the game doesn't hinge on your efforts most of the time. This is a team where Andre Iguodala won a finals MVP.
And then you’ve used that FMVP to argue against Curry’s greatness :lol

talking out of both sides of your ass

[Joseph Kony]

>makes thread
>doesnt reply at all

nice one op :tu

[ElNono]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/thumb/b/b2/Yall_niggas_dont_make_me_say_it.jpg/174px-Yall_niggas_dont_make_me_say_it.jpg

[R. DeMurre]

He really is the definition of a glue guy in terms of what he focuses on, and he has figured out what he needs to do to make a great team better. He drives me crazy, but it's hard to argue with him leading the team in rebounds, assists, and blocks in the playoffs. He's like Rodman in that he understands his limitations and gets the absolute most out of his skill set. That being said, he is in the best of situations, having had two to three all-world shooters around him his entire career. If you replace him with prime Andrei Kirilenko, the results are probably just as good, and maybe better. And Kirilenko doesn't commit multiple stupid flagrant/technical fouls in a playoff run, get suspended, and ruin what otherwise would've been historically the greatest season ever...

[UZER]

He really is the definition of a glue guy in terms of what he focuses on, and he has figured out what he needs to do to make a great team better. He drives me crazy, but it's hard to argue with him leading the team in rebounds, assists, and blocks in the playoffs. He's like Rodman in that he understands his limitations and gets the absolute most out of his skill set. That being said, he is in the best of situations, having had two to three all-world shooters around him his entire career. If you replace him with prime Andrei Kirilenko, the results are probably just as good, and maybe better. And Kirilenko doesn't commit multiple stupid flagrant/technical fouls in a playoff run, get suspended, and ruin what otherwise would've been historically the greatest season ever...

For every one they call, he gets always with 3 others. They dude poked Harden in the eye two games in a row “on accident”.

[FkLA]

any good passing big can be successful "mouthbreating" and waiting for screens and cutters. duncan/pau were renowned for their top of the key passing ability. you didnt shit on duncan for having that skill. fact is not that many bigs do it well. jokic is a better passer than dray, but cant think of any other bigs.

i do think that a lot of his success comes from essentially commanding a 4 on 3, but the versatility of being able to be that kind of ball handler while also playing great interior defense and rebounding is invaluable. i dont think he's a top 10 player in the league in the sense that if we are drafting rosters, there's no way he's the 10th guy off the board.

but how many guys would be better than green for the warriors... honestly cant think of many

He's good and can definitely agree that he's one of the best glue guys ever, but Top 10 or all-star? Hell no. Theres not many guys that that could've done what Bowen did for the Spurs or even what GS Iggy does and they never even sniffed an all-star game. This faggot gets so much favoritism because of his big donkey mouth.

[MultiTroll]

Fake News media creation.

Put Mouthbreather on an average team without WarriorRef and he's merely above average / pretty good.

[313]

Mouthbreather takes a great team to a championship team. Trade him for the starting PF on the Raptors, Trailblazers, and Rockets, and they all instantly become legit contenders.

[MultiTroll]

Mouthbreather takes a great team to a championship team.
So the "great team" is not a "championship team" without Mouthbreather?

[313]

So the "great team" is not a "championship team" without Mouthbreather?Nope. Most great teams are full of talent but lack a glue guy to pull it together and go to the next level.

He's not a top 10 player in the traditional sense, though, far from it.

[DMC]

And then you’ve used that FMVP to argue against Curry’s greatness :lol

talking out of both sides of your ass
:lol You're salty as fuck over me

Curry didn't get the FMVP. A bench player did. Way to kick your own ass.

[spurraider21]

:lol You're salty as fuck over me

Curry didn't get the FMVP. A bench player did. Way to kick your own ass.
yep. talking out of both sides of your ass :tu

[timvp]

Bump.



20, 13, 12, 4, tbh.

Best player on the court by far.

[ducks]

Not sure why they do not foul him hold hope he losses his cool

[Killakobe81]

Op looking smart I disagreed but didn't comment...
But he may be right..

[MultiTroll]

Had a good game today against Portland Jr. High.

Other players helped Donkey a ton. On both teams. :rollin
But credit where due, he played very well today.

[Beartrucci]

Curry about to have another FMVP taken from him :lol

[timvp]

1d0qm

Now that's real :cryleadership:cry

[polandprzem]

lol leadership

[spurraider21]

Funny seeing empty insults like donkey and mouth breather as if that somehow diminishes his game

[DeadlyDynasty]

He's been unbelievable these past 2 games, tbh. What's even more impressive is that none of this has been in garbage time...every thing he's done has been impactful and either kept his team afloat or changed the outcome of the game.

[RC_Drunkford]

is Patty Mills a top 10 player in the league? Since he's the Spurs glue guy I thought I'd ask

[polandprzem]

Game 3 he owned Blazers. It's crazy how Portland were so weak with their scouting reports. Plus nobody had guts. If somebody was playing against me and was so vocal I'd go war.

[Bill_Brasky]

The Blazers are so fucking bad defensively.

First of all, how do you let Curry and Thompson be so wide open so consistently? Yeah, they're illegal screening you. So fucking play it different. Bump those motherfuckers off course when they move without the ball. Don't be afraid to knock them down. Be fucking physical you pussies. Those two should have bruises all over their arms and legs from getting hit as they try to pass.

And this whole nonsense with letting Draymond fucking Green continually get a full head of steam in the open court is just fucking awful. You're not gonna step up and stop his momentum?

KD was right. Portland wants no part of the finals.

[RD2191]

1d0qm

Now that's real :cryleadership:cry

Top 10 player :wow

[ambchang]

Portland has no one in the front court to battle after nurkic went down. Let’s not act like Green is killing it against some top flight competition. He’s playing against the b team of a b team.

[K...]

is Patty Mills a top 10 player in the league? Since he's the Spurs glue guy I thought I'd ask

glued to the Front office and coach, different type of glue guy

[ElNono]

He's been unbelievable these past 2 games, tbh. What's even more impressive is that none of this has been in garbage time...every thing he's done has been impactful and either kept his team afloat or changed the outcome of the game.

It's no coincidence that has been with Durant out, tbh...

[spurraider21]

is Patty Mills a top 10 player in the league? Since he's the Spurs glue guy I thought I'd ask


Spurstalk continues to be sensitive about draymond since being conditioned to do so during Kawhi tenure

[timtonymanu]

I'd take him on my team any day. True winner. Yeah he's not gonna have the same impact if Curry goes down but he's a super role player at worst. Definitely more impactful than losers like Lamarcus and Derozan and fake leaders who just buy coffee for teammates.

[FkLA]

I'd take him on my team any day. True winner. Yeah he's not gonna have the same impact if Curry goes down but he's a super role player at worst. Definitely more impactful than losers like Lamarcus and Derozan and fake leaders who just buy coffee for teammates.

He's more impactful in his role as a role player than LMA/DD are in their roles as stars. But can he lead a team to the playoffs (even as pretenders) as the best player like our two fake stars have proven that they can?

It becomes an apples to oranges comparison when you try to insert Donkey into Top 10 conversations or measure him up against players with actual star talent.

[Arcadian]

I don't know about all that, but he's certainly in the running for most punchable face of all time.

For real though, where would he be without Curry? He'd be fucking nobody.

[timtonymanu]

He's more impactful in his role as a role player than LMA/DD are in their roles as stars. But can he lead a team to the playoffs (even as pretenders) as the best player like our two fake stars have proven that they can?

It becomes an apples to oranges comparison when you try to insert Donkey into Top 10 conversations or measure him up against players with actual star talent.

I don't think he can lead a team as the best offensive player or be relied to score 20+ every night. So if we're going strictly by star talent/typical franchise player, he's not in the top 10. But he's the most important player to have in a playoff game. Just like how Robert Horry was never an all-star/top 10 talent, but you would want him on your team in crunch time.

I don't believe Draymond would significantly be worse if he played elsewhere. He definitely reaches his full potential in Golden State's system, but unlike guys like Lamarcus and Demar, he always has that killer instinct that every playoff team needs.

[DMC]

Funny seeing empty insults like donkey and mouth breather as if that somehow diminishes his game

You act like you're his wife.

[DMC]

Draymond comes across in the game as an oaf. In reality he might be the smartest person on the court, as far as clarity of mind. In interviews he's always very clear and seems focused. He knows his role and does it. Curry and Klay are guilty of playing down to the competition which could let them back into it. Draymond is ready to end it.

Tbh, the Seth Curry drama is uncomfortable. Watching the little brother trying to keep up with Steph is hard, and you can see he gets beyond his ability at times and tries to show he's up to it, but kudos to him for even making the NBA. Now if he could develop that same shooting ability.

[spurraider21]

You act like you're his wife.
You act like you’re my bitch

[Will Hunting]

Draymond comes across in the game as an oaf. In reality he might be the smartest person on the court, as far as clarity of mind. In interviews he's always very clear and seems focused. He knows his role and does it. Curry and Klay are guilty of playing down to the competition which could let them back into it. Draymond is ready to end it.

Tbh, the Seth Curry drama is uncomfortable. Watching the little brother trying to keep up with Steph is hard, and you can see he gets beyond his ability at times and tries to show he's up to it, but kudos to him for even making the NBA. Now if he could develop that same shooting ability.
I wanna see a Seth/Raymond altercation just to put Steph in an impossible position :lol

[Jonnyblue19]

I wanna see a Seth/Raymond altercation just to put Steph in an impossible position :lol
:bobo

[HarlemHeat37]

Just a basketball genius..the defense of Kevin Garnett, the passing of Chris Webber and the leadership of Tim Duncan, all in 1 package..

[Will Hunting]

Just a basketball genius..the defense of Kevin Garnett, the passing of Chris Webber and the leadership of Tim Duncan, all in 1 package..
Sounds like a taller version of Roddy Bukkake or whatever his name was, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

Just a basketball genius..the defense of Kevin Garnett, the passing of Chris Webber and the leadership of Tim Duncan, all in 1 package..
:lol 4/10

I always picture Gaymond like this he is going off on one his rants after being called for a foul he 100% committed.
https://static-media.fxx.com/img/FX_Networks_-_FXX/957/507/Simpsons_01_09_P4_640x360_314395203519.jpg

[spurraider21]

Sounds like a taller version of Roddy Bukkake or whatever his name was, tbh.
Roddy B had Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability.

[LkrFan]

You act like you’re my bitch

:lol

[TD 21]

I still say top 15ish. His value offensively is largely tied to Curry's unprecedented, quick release, pull-up 3-point shooting ability and all the attention is draws, both on and off ball. Without that to initiate myriad secondary play making opportunities via 4-on-3s, his inability to shoot or really score reliably in any half court fashion would become exacerbated.

Granted, it works both ways. Give Curry the personnel Lillard has to work with and teams would do to him what the Warriors are to the Trail Blazers right now.

Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Harden, James, Antetokounmpo, Towns, Davis, George, Embiid, Lillard and Scumbag, are all better. Griffin, Butler, Gobert, are all debatable. That puts him in the 14-17 range.

[Capt Bringdown]

Lots of premature ejaculations about Draymond. FFS, he doesn't even have to guard anyone in this series.
Iggy is the key man in this series, not donkey.

[Jonnyblue19]

Lots of premature ejaculations about Draymond. FFS, he doesn't even have to guard anyone in this series.
Iggy is the key man in this series, not donkey.


Exactly, they always put Iggy on the other teams best player.

[Capt Bringdown]

Blazers are so weak they allow Green to free safety all over the court. Green has no one to guard, it's like it's 5 on 4. Hence his basketball "genius" in this series.

[spurraider21]

yeah! green sucks on offense and defense!

[ElNono]

Harrison Barnes 2.0 basically, looks otherworldly next to Chef, would be a foul machine on most lesser teams.

[timvp]

Bump.


18, 14, 11, 3, 2 and biggest shot of the game.

:cry Iggy is the reason :cry

[Jonnyblue19]

Harrison Barnes 2.0 basically, looks otherworldly next to Chef, would be a foul machine on most lesser teams.

Even the crappy Spurs could beat Portland with how bad Dame has been playing.

[ElNono]

That shot exemplified everything about this niglet, tbh.... Curry with the double/triple team, and this dude camping on the line ready to chuck one out, nobody 10 feet around him...

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't forget that he had the best quote of the season:lol

WE DON'T NEED YOU

[timvp]

Don't forget that he had the best quote of the season:lol

WE DON'T NEED YOU

:lol The more accurate quote would have been:

WE BETTER WITHOUT YOU

[313]

Curry & Draymond would drag Kwame Brown and Smush Parker to the finals. After it’s all said and done, Curry/Draymond will be considered a top 3 duo ever.

[MultiTroll]

That shot exemplified everything about this niglet, tbh.... Curry with the double/triple team, and this dude camping on the line ready to chuck one out, nobody 10 feet around him...

[DPG21920]

Draymond comes across in the game as an oaf. In reality he might be the smartest person on the court, as far as clarity of mind. In interviews he's always very clear and seems focused. He knows his role and does it. Curry and Klay are guilty of playing down to the competition which could let them back into it. Draymond is ready to end it.

Tbh, the Seth Curry drama is uncomfortable. Watching the little brother trying to keep up with Steph is hard, and you can see he gets beyond his ability at times and tries to show he's up to it, but kudos to him for even making the NBA. Now if he could develop that same shooting ability.

He’s a great shooter in his own right, just can’t dribble the same and can’t get the variety of shots off that Curry can. No one in history can

[DAF86]

Top 10 players are suppossed to be those that lead winning teams as first options. I don't think Draymond would be very succesful being the number one offensive option of a team. He's the ultimate glue gay, but he comes short of a top 10 place, imho.

[DPG21920]

Don't forget that he had the best quote of the season:lol

WE DON'T NEED YOU

Isn’t he the one that called KD and begged after losing to the Cavs though?

[spurraider21]

:lmao "but iggy is more important than draymond!"

[MultiTroll]

Isn’t he the one that called KD and begged after losing to the Cavs though?

[Capt Bringdown]

:lmao "but iggy is more important than draymond!"

GS doesn't beat Houston without Iggy. Green has been padding stats against an impotent and feckless Portland team.

[ElNono]

Don't forget that he had the best quote of the season:lol

WE DON'T NEED YOU

:lol

[polandprzem]

Bump.


18, 14, 11, 3, 2 and biggest shot of the game.

:cry Iggy is the reason :cry

Dray plays two good games where they leave him wide open all the time and he is all of sudden top 10 player :lol

He can't score 20 pts on consistent basis. Yet alone have defense set to play vs him. Opponents D have 3 other guys to worry more. He can frickin rest all regular season and most playoffs has two big games and is all time great :D

[polandprzem]

GS doesn't beat Houston without Iggy. Green has been padding stats against an impotent and feckless Portland team.

Looney Tunes had his ways vs this Portland team, Cook and McKinney also and they gave them even less space then what Graymond had.

[LkrFan]

Don't forget that he had the best quote of the season:lol

WE DON'T NEED YOU

:lol

[DAF86]

Top 10 player in the league nowhere to be found when forced to be more than a 4th banana. :lmao

Good thing he got to pad his stats in the 4th, when the game was out of reach, if not his line would have looked embarrassing.

[Raven]

he has been consistently getting worse year after year, on the offensive end.

[Spurtacular]

Can Hakeem and Ewing guard small ball?

How hard is it to leave Draymond open from three?

[RD2191]

Top 10 :lol not even top 50 without klaynus and kd

[UZER]

I’ve been saying forever, when he grabs the defensive board, rush him make him pick up his dribble, or pressure him while he’s dribbling the ball up. He’s a walking turnover.

He dangerous when nobody licks him up coming full speed. When you pressure him, he’s a disaster waiting to happen.

[Capt Bringdown]

I’ve been saying forever, when he grabs the defensive board, rush him make him pick up his dribble, or pressure him while he’s dribbling the ball up. He’s a walking turnover.

He dangerous when nobody licks him up coming full speed. When you pressure him, he’s a disaster waiting to happen.

That tells you something that no one has figured this out this playoffs...today's NBA. Somehow I can't imagine PJ or Pat Riley being so completely flummoxed by the Draymond-running-the-ball-up-the-court gambit.

It was satisfying to see Toronto disrupt that lob play they run for Draymond. Finally.

[Chris Fall]

Easier said than done. Most of the time, the opposing team puts their worst defender on Draymond, usually the slowest too, so they can’t pick him up or pressure him in open court or force him to pick up his dribble. They’re usually all the way back and / or backpedaling. The other defenders are trying to find where the fuck Steph AND Klay AND KD are in transition.

Tonight, those stupid lobs in transition didn’t work because there were multiple defenders in the paint collapsed because there was only one shooting assassin in Curry to focus on in transition kickouts and FVV was attached to his shorts. It’s so much more about the personnel he plays with that allows him to look so good because of the spacing they create for him. And yes, if he were the best or even second best player on the team, he’d be fumbling his dribble and throwing rocket passes into the fifth row all over the place and all the time.

[UZER]

Easier said than done. Most of the time, the opposing team puts their worst defender on Draymond, usually the slowest too, so they can’t pick him up or pressure him in open court or force him to pick up his dribble. They’re usually all the way back and / or backpedaling. The other defenders are trying to find where the fuck Steph AND Klay AND KD are in transition.

Tonight, those stupid lobs in transition didn’t work because there were multiple defenders in the paint collapsed because there was only one shooting assassin in Curry to focus on in transition kickouts and FVV was attached to his shorts. It’s so much more about the personnel he plays with that allows him to look so good because of the spacing they create for him. And yes, if he were the best or even second best player on the team, he’d be fumbling his dribble and throwing rocket passes into the fifth row all over the place and all the time.

Thats why you game plan as a team to stop his transition when he grabs the board. It’s not necessarily about who’s specifically guarding him.

[Chris Fall]

It is when at least three, sometimes four or all five, of the other guys have to sprint back to find the shooters.

With their full squad healthy and on the court at the same time, there isn’t a gameplan to stop that Draymond rebound and push in transition. Even a split second fake trap could mean a Curry or Klay three pointer at the other end within 2 seconds.

[UZER]

It is when at least three of the other guys have to sprint to find the shooters.

With their full squad healthy and on the court at the same time, there isn’t a gameplan to stop that rebound and push in transition. Even a split second fake trap could mean a Curry or Klay three pointer at the other end within 2 seconds.

Of course that might happen occasionally. But overall he’s a horrible passer under pressure. I’d take my chances over the course of a game / series with the strategy. He turns the ball over a few times, he starts thinking twice about being as reckless and pushing the ball as hard.

[HarlemHeat37]

Best leader in the NBA, not worried at all:lol how can your teammates not be confident when the leader doesn't panic?

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[Capt Bringdown]

Thats why you game plan as a team to stop his transition when he grabs the board. It’s not necessarily about who’s specifically guarding him.

Agreed. Making a commitment to getting back on defense...too simple?
I don't know, we had a fellow here in San Antonio who was pretty successful with fundamentals.
Toronto did a fair job of stopping the transition. The lapses cost them.

[ElNono]

Harrison Barnes 2.0, tbh...

[DAF86]

lol at anyone that has this guy over Thompson. :lol

[FkLA]

Draymond is fucking good, tbf. He's far and away the best role player in the league but yeah his all-star nods and the Top 10 talk are stupid. I'd love to have him on the Spurs though. It's easier to appreciate him when there's someone on the other end that you hate more.

[R. DeMurre]

Lost in all the drama of Durant's injury and the Golden State comeback is the fact that Draymond picked up his 6th technical in the playoffs, and now is one tech away from a potential suspension that would make him miss a game 7. For a guy with this high a BB IQ, it's really unbelievable that he's in this situation for the second time in his career.

[Chris Fall]

Basketball IQ and controlling your temper are not mutually exclusive, but they're not necessarily directly related either. His basketball IQ is still pretty high. His ability to control his emotions, not so much. High basketball IQ comes in quite a wide range of temperaments. Cool, calm, collected composure is not the only shade.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The wrong person's achilles was torn last night, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's pretty obvious that he gets targeted by the officials, tbh..

[BD24]

Harlem with the trolling bads. I’m sure someone will bite though

[DMC]

Basketball IQ and controlling your temper are not mutually exclusive, but they're not necessarily directly related either. His basketball IQ is still pretty high. His ability to control his emotions, not so much. High basketball IQ comes in quite a wide range of temperaments. Cool, calm, collected composure is not the only shade.

People touted as having the highest basketball IQ in the league are notorious for making boneheaded decisions in high pressure moments. Chris Paul comes to mind. Draymond is no different. He has the bravado on the floor, isn't one to defer like Kawhi did over and over last night, but doesn't have the talent that Kawhi has and so isn't the face of the franchise. His decisions shouldn't have the impact they do but he gets so close to that edge all the time with the chip on his shoulder routine, I feel sometimes he takes his team out of their rhythm with his antics. That back court yesterday was horrible, and the fact the last few minutes had so many boneheaded turnovers on both ends just highlights the pressure folks are under at that moment, and how shitty the coaching is for both sides that neither side called a timeout to regroup.

[UZER]

Lost in all the drama of Durant's injury and the Golden State comeback is the fact that Draymond picked up his 6th technical in the playoffs, and now is one tech away from a potential suspension that would make him miss a game 7. For a guy with this high a BB IQ, it's really unbelievable that he's in this situation for the second time in his career.

I noticed it. I posted last night that I would do everything possible to bait him into a tech in game 6 so he would be out for game 7.

But Draymond knows he won’t get t’d up for anything less that kicking someone in the nuts. And he will show this at some point during the game by going at an official at level 10, and they won’t do a damn thing. He acts like a student who know that no matter much he deserves to get his ass kicked, he can berate a teacher without any consequences.

If he somehow manages to get t’d up, all the media will cry how it’s not fair because he was baited, or it’s the finals and he should be allowed to show emotions. Dude acts like a dick all the time and the accumulation warrants his suspension, not the one individual act.

[UZER]

Warriors played on cheat code for years. No Curry walking around acting like the defense the Raps are playing is not fair. :lol

[ElNono]

more than ever, overratedPERIOD

[ducks]

Skip Bayless realSkipBayless
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In the end, the Warriors just couldn't overcome the EIGHT Draymond turnovers, the dumb gamble he took and let Siakam loose for the killer late basket, then of course the timeout he called that the Warriors didn't have

[DAF86]

Top 10 player in the league can't give you more than 10 pts per game when his team is needed of scoring. :lol

[timvp]

Plz delete.

Thx.

[UZER]

Top 10 player in the league can't give you more than 10 pts per game when his team is needed of scoring. :lol

Flops a turnover in a super crucial moment of the game when Lowry is guarding him. :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

:bobo


Just a basketball genius..the defense of Kevin Garnett, the passing of Chris Webber and the leadership of Tim Duncan, all in 1 package..

[lefty]

Best leader in the NBA, not worried at all:lol how can your teammates not be confident when the leader doesn't panic?

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:lol flopped
:lol called a C-Webb timeout

“Doesn’t panic” :lol

[daslicer]

He got owned throughout this series by Ibaka,Siakam,Gasol. He's going to be a big target next year now that he's no longer on a stacked team.

[MultiTroll]

Seeing so much of the Fake News Warriors getting exposed is nice.

[Arcadian]

He did some stupid shit in this series, like that backcourt violation in game 5 :lol

And he couldn't stop Siakem when it mattered most.

So much for his defense and IQ. Both proven overrated.

[MultiTroll]

Has Gaymond been granted his release from the Warriors yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ILDVQVK-84

[Spurtacular]

1136488876107882496


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rT5fYMfEUc

[ambchang]

:lol best defender in league history
:lol today’s nba is so horrible draymond can just shift around and roam the paint at 6’5” because no one can buy a post move
:lol today’s nba inflating stats to make him look like an actual player.

[lefty]

He's always been a poor mans ML Car to me

ML Carr actually made a big defensive play in a Finals game against a worthy opponent

[LkrFan]

OP should be pinked for starting this thread :lol

[lefty]

Hence

"poor man's"

True true

[MultiTroll]

OP should be pinked for starting this thread :lol
Now now cut him some slack. He showed awareness and humor. :lol



Plz delete.

Thx.

[LkrFan]

Now now cut him some slack. He showed awareness and humor. :lol




:lol

[DMC]

Green's game last night is just unneeded evidence that triple doubles are often manufactured for the sake of having a triple double.

40 minutes in a worthless game you lose to NY is laughable. If Draymond gets a serious injury Kerr will likely be fired. I'm shocked he hasn't been fake injured for the rest of the season already.

[Jules_Winnfield]

2020 Gaymond

glue guy with nothing to glue :lol:lol

[R. DeMurre]

Green is like Rodman or Bruce Bowen-- a role player whose strengths don't require teammates to give up shots or usage rate. Most great teams have at least one guy like that in the starting line up. If Kawhi had stayed, I could see Derrick White being that kind of player.

[DMC]

Green is like Rodman or Bruce Bowen-- a role player whose strengths don't require teammates to give up shots or usage rate. Most great teams have at least one guy like that in the starting line up. If Kawhi had stayed, I could see Derrick White being that kind of player.

I don't get why Spurs fans overvalue these fucking scrubs by comparing them to people like Rodman or Bowen.

[MultiTroll]

2020 Gaymond

glue guy with nothing to glue :lol:lol
:rollin

[ElNono]

I had to do a double-take on who started this thread, tbh... :lol

[Spurtacular]

2020 Gaymond

glue guy with nothing to glue :lol:lol

:lol More humor and awareness?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgH2oK0XPc8

[JohnnyMax]

Skip to 8:57


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpdwP45WgA

[lefty]

:lol Joey Fattone

[resistanze]

:lol Mr. Triple Single

[Millennial_Messiah]

skinny draymonkey is basically shawn marion/dak prescott, a heck of a complimentary piece to a great team, but practically useless on a team without star power around him

[spurraider21]

raymond dropping truth nukes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjhe6WrqTw

[lefty]

Unfortunately for Warriors fans that’s the only thing he can drop

[Texas_Ranger]

i also feel very sad for Andre Drummond. Imagine doing nothing and getting 30M... ohhh, so tough. How will he survive? Why would someone even criticize these poor people? Just sad. :cry

and him mentioning how no one blames the team owners, but just the players.... I am pretty sure this retard has never been on other team's forums.

[daslicer]

i also feel very sad for Andre Drummond. Imagine doing nothing and getting 30M... ohhh, so tough. How will he survive? Why would someone even criticize these poor people? Just sad. :cry

and him mentioning how no one blames the team owners, but just the players.... I am pretty sure this retard has never been on other team's forums.

Draymond is that stupid person who believes he's intelligent which makes him profoundly stupid.

[DAF86]

raymond dropping truth nukes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjhe6WrqTw

You get paid millions of dollars to play basketball. Stop whinning.

[ElNono]

It still hurts

[Chris Fall]

You get paid millions of dollars to play basketball. Stop whinning.

He's expressing an opinion about the hypocrisy in the dynamics of ownership rights v player rights in the NBA. Seems like a topic he should be able to speak on. Why should it matter that he makes millions playing basketball? If his comments are stupid, then fine, they're stupid. Disagreeing with him is cool. But his opinion especially on this topic should not be dismissed because he's a rich athlete.

That is essentially the same as saying "shut up and dribble."

[ambchang]

The job of a GM is to facilitate trades that would improve the quality of a team which would involve trading players against their will. Implicitly the role of a player is to play basketball.

People always l want to draw parallels to the normal working world and that employees are free to quit and move to another company but
1) sports world is a totally different structure
2) people don’t stop working and force a company to facilitate and move for the player to another franchise under the same company

I agree Cleveland is stupid for not playing Drummond and they are rightfully grilled for it. But I’m not in agreement where players should have the right to choose where they play just as GMs have the right to trade players. The nba is one giant company and those are the rules of engagement.

[DAF86]

He's expressing an opinion about the hypocrisy in the dynamics of ownership rights v player rights in the NBA. Seems like a topic he should be able to speak on. Why should it matter that he makes millions playing basketball? If his comments are stupid, then fine, they're stupid. Disagreeing with him is cool. But his opinion especially on this topic should not be dismissed because he's a rich athlete.

That is essentially the same as saying "shut up and dribble."

When I was writing the comment I was putting "shut up" but I changed it to "stop whinning" exactly because of the reason you express. It might be similar but it is not exactly the same.

And yeah, crying like a baby for this is some entitled living in a bubble shit. You work 4 months a year traveling around the country, you don't even have to move if you don't like the place you are traded to. Imagine the type of crying this guy would do if he had to make a living as a truck driver.

[MultiTroll]

Cliffs version?
Cavs are not playing Drummond because they will be trading him and don't want to risk injury?

This has Drummond bent out of shape and Gaymond is ____?

[Chris Fall]

Actually, that's fair. Personally disagree, but it's fair.

To me, it's not about the huge amount of money professional athletes make when it comes to what essentially is a labor dispute. In these instances, these gripes are basically against team / ownership. So the amount of money they make for playing a game should be weighed against the amount of money billionaire owners running franchises worth billions of dollars that make hundreds of millions of dollars annually off the backs of players for just playing basketball put those player salaries in perspective.

I think complaining about hypocrisy or double standards with the league and owners should be understandable.

[Neo.]

what's right is right and wrong is wrong

not sure why some think a higher level of income should prevent someone from voicing their feelings on what's "right" and "wrong"

[MultiTroll]

Draymond Green Embarrassed Himself By Walking Off Court Mid-Game (brobible.com) (https://brobible.com/sports/article/draymond-green-walks-off-court/)

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[FrostKing]

Draymond Green Embarrassed Himself By Walking Off Court Mid-Game (brobible.com) (https://brobible.com/sports/article/draymond-green-walks-off-court/)

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Absolutely hilarious. Would be great to see the entry pass hit his ass and he continues strolling off.

[MultiTroll]

:rollin

Video up soon.

Earlier in Game 4.
Will get his game clinching turnover up soon.


https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1655760462372573186/vid/1280x720/1Rp-ugUxmbOwYRpJ.mp4?tag=16