Trump's Failboat Ride Through The Courts Continues

[RandomGuy]

Dude got royally dick punched by Judge Mehta earlier this week, and now has lost another case in short order. (ref: https://www.wonkette.com/and-the-prize-for-handing-trump-his-ass-in-a-court-ruling-goes-to-dc-judge-amit-mehta )
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BOOM! as they say on the internet. For the second time this week, Donald Trump has had his ass handed to him in court in a lawsuit where the president is desperately seeking to keep companies he's done business with -- and maybe committed crimes against -- from turning over his financial records, pursuant to lawful subpoenas from the House of Representatives.

Judge Edgardo Ramos in the Southern District of New York heard oral arguments Wednesday in Trump's lawsuit to stop Deutsche Bank and Capital One from turning over his banking records. After the arguments had finished, Ramos took a recess for 10 or 20 minutes, and then came back ready to read his VERY LONG RULING from the bench, which means he is either a very fast typing mouse, or he already knew the answer to the question before Trump's dumbass lawyers even opened their mouths. And spoiler alert, Ramos ruled the subpoenas are valid, there will be no stay, there will be no injunction, do not pass go, FUCKING GIVE IT.

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This shit is not going to go well in the courts. The arguments they are attempting to pass off, are almost literally being laughed out of the courts. :wow

[Millennial_Messiah]

He didn't commit crimes, though. He negotiated a deal with those banks to loan him the big money for the casinos, hotels, condos etc, and they gave it to them. If anything needs to happen, the underwriters need to get fired, because Trump had already had a bad credit score and history of defaulting at the time.

[RandomGuy]

He didn't commit crimes, though. He negotiated a deal with those banks to loan him the big money for the casinos, hotels, condos etc, and they gave it to them. If anything needs to happen, the underwriters need to get fired, because Trump had already had a bad credit score and history of defaulting at the time.

Lying to banks and insurance companies are crimes.

As is obstruction of justice, which Mueller has documented at least four clear cut cases.

His finances further directly violate the constitution's emolument clause.

[boutons_deux]

crimes aren't necessary for impeachment

impeachment is political, not legal

Pelosi is such a wimp. There's plenty to impeach Trash, but she's waiting for yet another "red line" to be crossed.

[UnWantedTheory]

crimes aren't necessary for impeachment

impeachment is political, not legal

Pelosi is such a wimp. There's plenty to impeach Trash, but she's waiting for yet another "red line" to be crossed.

Do you believe there would be much point to doing so with a Republican senate? It isn't likely to sway any voters imo, so why bother?

[RandomGuy]

Do you believe there would be much point to doing so with a Republican senate? It isn't likely to sway any voters imo, so why bother?

The purpose at this point isn't to sway voters. It is to charge a president who his breaking the law with some very serious overreaches. Exactly the kind of things that the entire impeachment process was designed for. At this point, it is simply a matter of doing the right thing.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The purpose at this point isn't to sway voters. It is to charge a president who his breaking the law with some very serious overreaches. Exactly the kind of things that the entire impeachment process was designed for. At this point, it is simply a matter of doing the right thing.

yeah and if they impeach and fail then Trump's reelection will be even smoother than Obama '12 or Bush '04.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lying to banks and insurance companies are crimes.

As is obstruction of justice, which Mueller has documented at least four clear cut cases.

His finances further directly violate the constitution's emolument clause.

Oh of course frauds are crimes, but he can just pardon himself, plus the GOP Senate would never vote to remove him from office. And people would be pissed at the Dems at playing partisan politics and vote Trump even harder in '20.

[Spurs Homer]

yeah and if they impeach and fail then Trump's reelection will be even smoother than Obama '12 or Bush '04.

Sure -

those 33% cult brainwashed morons will suddenly win an election -


with 33% of the vote.

uh-huh

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sure -

those 33% cult brainwashed morons will suddenly win an election -


with 33% of the vote.

uh-huh

tack on additional 17-20 percent who are fiscally conservative and not attached to Trump but would prefer him over the alternative, especially if it's Bernie or another female.


Biden? could win, but he'd have to beat out the Berners in the primary who felt Hillary *cheated* him with the establishment and superdelegacy

[UnWantedTheory]

The purpose at this point isn't to sway voters. It is to charge a president who his breaking the law with some very serious overreaches. Exactly the kind of things that the entire impeachment process was designed for. At this point, it is simply a matter of doing the right thing.
It seems doing the right thing in this case could possibly harm more than help. I am not a Trump supporter in any way, and I doubt it hurts Democrats even if they follow through, but the possibility of harm, to me, outweighs the possible positives. I am not necessarily for or against it though.

[boutons_deux]

Do you believe there would be much point to doing so with a Republican senate? It isn't likely to sway any voters imo, so why bother?

yes, conviction won't happen, Trash will claim martyrdom and exoneration,

but a long detailed Articles of Impeachment would go into the Congressional Record and be all over the media.

It looks like impeachment is becoming more popular, so I think it would sway voters in the middle, and get out a very motivated Dem vote like Trash did in 2018.

[RandomGuy]

yeah and if they impeach and fail then Trump's reelection will be even smoother than Obama '12 or Bush '04.

Trump will not be re-elected. His margin of victory was 77,000 votes in three states, or less than one percent of the votes cast in those states. He is less popular now than he was before, and impeachments do not make presidents more popular, merely Congress people less so. Trump was a long-shot to win the first time around, and will face a vastly different landscape the second time around.

[RandomGuy]

tack on additional 17-20 percent who are fiscally conservative and not attached to Trump but would prefer him over the alternative, especially if it's Bernie or another female.


Biden? could win, but he'd have to beat out the Berners in the primary who felt Hillary *cheated* him with the establishment and superdelegacy

Democrats who actually ran on progressive policies would win handily. People tend to vastly underestimate how liberal most of the country actually is.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/study-congress-overestimates-the-publics-conservatism.html
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/
https://www.dataforprogress.org/polling-the-left-agenda
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html


Paid maternity leave, for example, enjoys an 84% approval rate. I don't see Trump, or any national Republican candidate getting through his primary on that issue. And it will be a HIM, which is yet another nail in the long term coffin for the party of rich white men.

[RandomGuy]

Oh of course frauds are crimes, but he can just pardon himself, plus the GOP Senate would never vote to remove him from office. And people would be pissed at the Dems at playing partisan politics and vote Trump even harder in '20.

Trump could not pardon himself from impeachment. Nor will he be able to pardon himself the second he is out of office. His obstructive acts continue, and each new one re-sets the clock on the statute of limitation. The Mueller report was crystal clear on how his actions rise to that level to every legal analysis I have seen.

[Reck]

The dude is defying subpoenas. What did you think would happen?

[UnWantedTheory]

Trump will not be re-elected. His margin of victory was 77,000 votes in three states, or less than one percent of the votes cast in those states. He is less popular now than he was before, and impeachments do not make presidents more popular, merely Congress people less so. Trump was a long-shot to win the first time around, and will face a vastly different landscape the second time around.

I definitely wouldn't underestimate his chances of re-election, but I hope you are right.

[Reck]

I definitely wouldn't underestimate his chances of re-election, but I hope you are right.

It'll be hard to lose to Trump. His best chance comes against the Harris's of the world and the Warrens, Booker's etc.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It'll be hard to lose to Trump. His best chance comes against the Harris's of the world and the Warrens, Booker's etc.

I think Biden is the only one who currently beats Trump... Bernie is too far left for most centrists/left leaners over 40, with kids etc.

[RandomGuy]

I think Biden is the only one who currently beats Trump... Bernie is too far left for most centrists/left leaners over 40, with kids etc.

I think a lot of people underestimate how popular actual progressive policies are. That is ok, it will make the salty tears of conservatives that much more delicious.

[boutons_deux]

Democrats who actually ran on progressive policies would win handily. People tend to vastly underestimate how liberal most of the country actually is.


politicians, whores to BigDonor, are much more conservative than voters, thinking that being conservative is the safe position

eg, majority of Repugs are pro or indifferent: abortion, DACA, LGBT

[Millennial_Messiah]

politicians, whores to BigDonor, are much more conservative than voters, thinking that being conservative is the safe position

eg, majority of Repugs are pro or indifferent: abortion, DACA, LGBT

Most white conservatives support limitations on immigration (e.g. DACA)... but the other two issues, plus other religious based policies like anti stemcell research, you're right on... also, you forgot the big kahuna... Mary Jane. Where more conservative voters than not favor legalizing but the Mitch McConnells of the world who run the GOP are firmly against still.