Finals: Raptors vs. Warriors

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Harden rule in effect except when it isn't.

NBA rigged AF.

Yup smh

[lefty]

Currefs

Has a nice ring to it

[lefty]

Raptors D sucks

[lefty]

Ibaka :lol

[Beartrucci]

Holy shit just let kawhi dribble it out and shoot a contested midrange if thats what the other guys were going to do

[Spurtacular]

Green and Kawhi not spacing on that Ibaka drive. Caught ball watching.

[Laker_1995]

Kawhi is seeing defense similar to Boston against Kobe. Hopefully everyone bashes kawahis %

[davethedope]

This is looking very bad for the raps

[lefty]

No off the ball movement, Toronto has to do better than that

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Holey Moley commercial looks like that Wipeout show.

[Spurtacular]

Kickball not called. Clean strip called.

Currefs hard to beat.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Raptors fucking up

[TheCultOfPersonality]

That's a lucky shot by VanVleet.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Raptors fucking up

Nevermind lol

[lefty]

Raps using up all their jizz in game 1

JOIN THE NOFAP MOVEMENT

[LaMarcus Bryant]

How do you not call that kick ball

[FkLA]

I just want Nephew to lose. :(

[lefty]

Who the fuck watches those summer TV shows?
Fat Muricans?

[InRareForm]

Siakam not having to worry about bucks length

[InRareForm]

Remember saying gr33n

[DMC]

LDN

[Darth_Pelican]

the Cousins effect

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Danny Green finally hitting shots.

[Spurtacular]

My betting strategy was gonna be to get a double digit plus for GS. I'd be sweating bullets now if I had gotten to do it.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Faggot Danny couldn't do that for us though after 2014

[Laker_1995]

I remember in SA every time green would shoot a 3 I knew it was going in and now I’m like “ nooooo” lmao

[lefty]

Green = Siakam’s bitch

[DMC]

the Cousins effect

Yeah it doesn't make sense to me they put him in. You just messed up the flow I think. I understand he's a great player but maybe they think they have the buffer zone.

[Laker_1995]

the Cousins effect


Kerr is afraid of him lmao

[lefty]

I remember in SA every time green would shoot a 3 I knew it was going in and now I’m like “ nooooo” lmao

;lol true

[DMC]

Danny Green finally hitting shots.

Que Lowry saying I can't believe they are leaving him that open.

[ducks]

Green 1-15 from deep last 4 games
Tonight 3-5

[lefty]

Kiwi

[Spurtacular]

I'd T up Iguodala just for that repeated smug nodding.

:lmao

[lefty]

:lol Claynus
:lol Showtime lakers’ kids

[ducks]

Gs is ticked

[SupremeGuy]

Silverstein is pushing the fagtors so fucking hard. Fuck everyone.

[ducks]

Lol at Gs thinking raps would roll over

[Millennial_Messiah]

:wow :hatKawhiiiiiii

:claw:claw:claw:claw:claw

[lefty]

:wow Van Feet

[LaMarcus Bryant]

My hatred for the bitch ass warriors far exceeds my hate for Kawhi

[timtonymanu]

Nice for once seeing Golden State actually challenged than them playing injured teams or the LeBron Cavs over and over again.

[ducks]

Lol at rap running clock out

[ducks]

Nice for once seeing Golden State actually challenged than them playing injured teams or the LeBron Cavs over and over again.

[Spurtacular]

Cheat code.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279579&p=9823659&viewfull=1#post9823659

[spurraider21]

that was a good foul call... its a consequence of trying to smother the guy 30 feet away from the rim

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Dagger!

[Keepin' it real]

Man, if Van Vleck can score 15, i can only imagine how much Patty Mills would be lighting it up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Raptors just keep rapting along...

[Jonnyblue19]

Maybe Siakam will finals MVP if the Raptors somehow win.

[DMC]

Siakam's Razor with a nice touch around the rim.

[phxspurfan]

:cry Siakam Da Real MVP :cry

[lefty]

Drake trolling Dray

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

You have no idea how much I hate Kawhis lying fake ass injury having pussy ass mute but I have to be honest, I don't mind seeing those bitch ass Warriors lose.

Weird feeling :lol

[Jonnyblue19]

:cry Siakam Da Real MVP :cry


He really could be since he keep trapping Kiwi and trying to get the ball out of his hand.

[apalisoc_9]

Warriors might have to change the way they defend kawhi.

Forcing the ball out of kawhi hands led to nothing but easy baskets.

[FrostKing]

ESPN with no post game :lmao


ESPN 1 - Indian spelling bee

ESPN 2 - softball

[Capt Bringdown]

You have no idea how much I hate Kawhis lying fake ass injury having pussy ass mute but I have to be honest, I don't mind seeing those bitch ass Warriors lose.

Weird feeling :lol

Leonard seems to have taken the Spurs heart with him - Toronto is playing Spursball: the ball movement, defense, unselfishness. Love him or hate him, but right now its:
Leonard >Pop/Spurs FO

[phxspurfan]

Kerr: :cry “Dubs don’t need KD, they need the refs back” :cry

[lefty]

KD to Toronto confirmed

[Spurtacular]

Phew. I mean my strategy was +10.5 or higher. But I might've settled for +8.5

Perhaps for the better that I didn't make it out to Nevada.

[Spurtacular]

KD to Toronto confirmed

:lol

[Jonnyblue19]

KD to Toronto confirmed

He should go to the Bucks he and Giannis would destroy the league, but it will never happen.

[spurraider21]

siakam bending draymond over isn't something i saw coming. awesome performance

[Spurtacular]

SMH. Morons actually believe Warriors better w/o Durant.

[Capt Bringdown]

GS perhaps overconfident from beating the hapless Rockets and Blazers?
LOL Blazers...game 1 "strategy" was to give Curry and Thompson open looks + leaving Green unguarded and no one to guard.

I think some posters here shot their loads over Green...
LOL getting disemboweled by Siakum.
The game is a bit different when you have to guard someone.

[lefty]

SMH. Morons actually believe Warriors better w/o Durant.
:lol Drake vs KD, I know who is winning this round

[Spurtacular]

NBA Finals coverage on ESPN now?

Nope; spelling b overtime for a co-champion. Coverage of a tie. SMH

[Spurtacular]

NBA Finals coverage on ESPN now?

Nope; spelling b overtime for a co-champion. Coverage of a tie. SMH

Oh, and there are two co-champions with six more on the way. :lol

[Spurtacular]

1st ever champion from the state of Maryland; well, when everyone wins. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Not SJW enough. None of these kids are black or transgendered.

[Arcadian]

It's actually a shame if Durant can't play. We're being robbed of what would be one of the best matchups in Finals history.

[HarlemHeat37]

The difference in quality in these top East teams vs. the soft West teams was jarring in these playoffs..Raptors toughest challenge was Philly, and they had a much more difficult time getting looks against Milwaukee than they did tonight..

Warriors were probably hurt by playing such a weak Portland team last round, came out surprised against a much better team..

[FrostKing]

The difference in quality in these top East teams vs. the soft West teams was jarring in these playoffs..Raptors toughest challenge was Philly, and they had a much more difficult time getting looks against Milwaukee than they did tonight..

Warriors were probably hurt by playing such a weak Portland team last round, came out surprised against a much better team..
Eastern Conference was superior in 2018-19

Rockets & Blazers blow this game


Lebron with the 4D chess move

[HarlemHeat37]

Eastern Conference was superior in 2018-19

Rockets & Blazers blow this game


Lebron with the 4D chess move

LeBron's retired, he wants to make movies and shows..

[phxspurfan]

He should go to the Bucks he and Giannis would destroy the league, but it will never happen.

too bad no one wants to go to Milwaukee

[phxspurfan]

LeBron's retired, he wants to make movies and shows..

Apparently so does Curry: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10133226/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_1

[Spurtacular]

Eastern Conference was superior in 2018-19

Rockets & Blazers blow this game


Lebron with the 4D chess move

Uh, he didn't make the playoffs, dude. :lol

[Jonnyblue19]

too bad no one wants to go to Milwaukee

Same can be said about Fat Antonio

[phxspurfan]

Same can be said about Fat Antonio

Yeah but at least Texas has bbq

[FrostKing]

Uh, he didn't make the playoffs, dude. :lol
If he stayed in Cleveland or had gone to New York he would have gotten bounced in the 1st Round.

In LA he can shield himself with the Wests reputation and Magic fiasco

[apalisoc_9]

GS perhaps overconfident from beating the hapless Rockets and Blazers?
LOL Blazers...game 1 "strategy" was to give Curry and Thompson open looks + leaving Green unguarded and no one to guard.

I think some posters here shot their loads over Green...
LOL getting disemboweled by Siakum.
The game is a bit different when you have to guard someone.

Caught pff guard. Portland was a bad preparation matchup for GSW. The defense was way too soft.

4 of the top 6 teams in the league now are in the east.

I'm wondering if they're going to continue taking the ball out of leonards hand. He only had 14 fga. He usually eclipses 20 even if hes struggling.

The raptors just did an amzing job moving the ball once lepnard passess it out. There was always an opening.

We'll see if they continue doing the same thing. The raps have way too much diverse scoring talent. They just might just have to guard kawhi 1 on 1.

[FrostKing]

Game 1

Leonard + Lowry = 30 points

AI injured


Imo Raptors go up 2-0 and GS is playing catch up the rest of the series begging for Durant to save them

Imo 40% chance Toronto Champs right now

[Jonnyblue19]

Yeah but at least Texas has bbq

True, but which is a bigger market? I assume Milwaukee they have Packers and the Brewers and the stadium isn't in a crappy neighborhood

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Leonard seems to have taken the Spurs heart with him - Toronto is playing Spursball: the ball movement, defense, unselfishness. Love him or hate him, but right now its:
Leonard >Pop/Spurs FO

Completely agree with all of that. They're totally playing Spurs ball

[apalisoc_9]

Siakam, Gasol, Vanfleet, Lowry can all make plays. That's the biggest problem with GSW defensive scheme.

The focus was way too much on kawhi ala Lillard, and Harden.

While Harden, had Gordon..(cp0 doesnt count because he was so bad) and Blazers had CJ.

The raptors is a completely different animal.

When kawhi releases the ball after double triple teaming him or blitzing the pick and roll. The Warriors become extremely vulnerable defeneively. Gasol, Lowry, Siakam, Vanfleet were all making smart decisions and moving the ball towards the open man.

Defensively, they might be forced to tone down on the kawhi focus in the hlaf court.

Their transition defense was also atrocious. Really really bad.

Offensively, they were ok....its the defense that killed them.

Toronto usually doesnt score this much if you can defend at least.

[gambit1990]

new balance doesn’t even have kawhi shoes to sell :lol those fucking morons :lol

[313]

siakam bending draymond over isn't something i saw coming. awesome performance
he had 30+ against him in the RS as well :lol

[phxspurfan]

True, but which is a bigger market? I assume Milwaukee they have Packers and the Brewers and the stadium isn't in a crappy neighborhood

Texas has the Rangers/'Stros and the Cowboys...

[Spurtacular]

If he stayed in Cleveland or had gone to New York he would have gotten bounced in the 1st Round.

In LA he can shield himself with the Wests reputation and Magic fiasco

You're stretching, tbh.

[FrostKing]

Reading GS reddit page. So much ref complaining.

Embarrassing. I don't remember the fan bases of Jordan's Bulls or Shaq's Lakers resorting to ref talk following playoff loses.

Further proof they simply are not an all time great team ststus

[AchillesHeel]

Warriors go down 0 - 2 and they're not winning without KD. Iguodala will be waving a white flag by Game 4.

[polandprzem]

Best player was 2 for 6 and had 6 turnovers also held Siakam to only 32 points

[LkrFan]

1134297804988440578

:lol

[LkrFan]

Dr. "I'm the greatest defender eva" Dray got shitted on. That's probably what Drake was telling him. :lol

[LkrFan]

1134362954542067712

:lol at the Spurs trading him.

[LkrFan]

1134352275500019712


bUt ThEy dOn't nEEd kD! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[LkrFan]

1134349630026596357
Or OG :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

1134297804988440578

:lol
holy hell...We all know what the trade was, but sometimes it takes seeing it in writing to realize just how bad it really is

[LkrFan]

holy hell...We all know what the trade was, but sometimes it takes seeing it in writing to realize just how bad it really is
There's more:

1134350132843909120

:lmao

[vavvi]

Gasol and Danny were big on both sides. Happy for Danny.

But Warriors played with no intensity. I don't expect them to play that lazily for another game.
Still think Warriors, probably in 6.

[Killakobe81]

holy hell...We all know what the trade was, but sometimes it takes seeing it in writing to realize just how bad it really is

I said it at the time of of the trade... Would at least settled for OG but I argued for Siakam.. Potel?!
And if Usai wouldn't cave, you call his bluff.
Spurs had the best player by far... Didn't want to deal with a bit of drama (my fucking team wallows in it, unfortunately) but waiting for a better offer for your franchise player would have been worth it and prudent.
I love this BS narrative and revisionist history that Spurs had no leverage.
This trade is being praised for the Raptors gamble... But Pop and RC also should be called out for this fleece job.

[lefty]

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[DMC]

Warriors came out rusty. They've been off for 2 weeks. Even then it wasn't a blowout. We'll see how the next game goes.

[lefty]

Warriors came out rusty. They've been off for 2 weeks. Even then it wasn't a blowout. We'll see how the next game goes.
Yeah I think they will be sharper in game 2

[ambchang]

I said it at the time of of the trade... Would at least settled for OG but I argued for Siakam.. Potel?!
And if Usai wouldn't cave, you call his bluff.
Spurs had the best player by far... Didn't want to deal with a bit of drama (my fucking team wallows in it, unfortunately) but waiting for a better offer for your franchise player would have been worth it and prudent.
I love this BS narrative and revisionist history that Spurs had no leverage.
This trade is being praised for the Raptors gamble... But Pop and RC also should be called out for this fleece job.

Speaking of revisionist history, how did you figure out trading a borderline all star for a top five (minimum) player would have been a risk to the raptors? Oh right, because Kawhi made it known he won’t resign with a team outside of LA and was willing to sit out a year to get his wish.

So what leverage did the spurs have.

[ambchang]

Nurse had a pretty good game plan. Trapping curry high on the pick and roll with gasol was unexpected.

Ball movement was solid on the raptors and they were able to manufacture open shots when The nephew was bottled up.

Van fleet was phenomenal defending curry in tandem with gasol.

Lowry player very smart throughout.

Siakim destroyed green.

Speaking of green. He made some very smart plays but just couldn’t contain siakim at all. Imagine him guarding Hakeem, Robinson, shaq, Ewing, or even Daugherty or mourning. He would’ve been annihilated. :lol today’s nba.

LDN finding his shooting touch.

[Killakobe81]

Speaking of revisionist history, how did you figure out trading a borderline all star for a top five (minimum) player would have been a risk to the raptors? Oh right, because Kawhi made it known he won’t resign with a team outside of LA and was willing to sit out a year to get his wish.

So what leverage did the spurs have.

You wait.
It's a game of fucking high stakes poker.
You wait and better offers may come and Kawhi's group could feel pressure mounting.
As Harlem stated upstairs they did not just gamble on Kawhi staying they fucking dumped a borderline all star with a superstar contract on you...
Again DD played well but PATFO pussed out, period...

[vavvi]

Nurse had a pretty good game plan. Trapping curry high on the pick and roll with gasol was unexpected.

Ball movement was solid on the raptors and they were able to manufacture open shots when The nephew was bottled up.

Van fleet was phenomenal defending curry in tandem with gasol.

Lowry player very smart throughout.

Siakim destroyed green.

Speaking of green. He made some very smart plays but just couldn’t contain siakim at all. Imagine him guarding Hakeem, Robinson, shaq, Ewing, or even Daugherty or mourning. He would’ve been annihilated. :lol today’s nba.

LDN finding his shooting touch.

That was a solid game plan but next game refs can just give Gasol 3-4 quick fouls.

[ambchang]

You wait.
It's a game of fucking high stakes poker.
You wait and better offers may come and Kawhi's group could feel pressure mounting.
As Harlem stated upstairs they did not just gamble on Kawhi staying they fucking dumped a borderline all star with a superstar contract on you...
Again DD played well but PATFO pussed out, period...

:lol. Wait for what? Lakers offered garbage. Boston wasn’t willing to offer anything. All the teams that were not Contenders refused to offer anything because they all know he’s signing with LA after the season.

People like to rag on derozan but his contract is not out of place in :lol today’s nba.

You just said the raptors took a risk. Now what would it be a risk at all if it was such a bad offer for the spurs?

[Killakobe81]

A better analogy for Kawhi deal...
PATFO was sitting on prime piece of real estate or premium blue-chip stock...
Couple is divorcing but current market is a buyer's one.
Husband begs wife to hold off on selling now until the markets settles she will get more if she waits but that bitch who was banging the pool boy herself is so enraged that he wanted to relocate the family to a bigger city (and told her she should lose a few lbs and that her "aunty" was a bad influence... So she tells him sell that shit now give her her cut and I don't wanna discuss the shit any further talk to my lawyer. She has. Moved on cyz she is classy like that.

Spurs talk are the joint custody children.
Some of Spur fan is loyal to daddy (and logic) and wanna see her suffer.. others just want to see her happy

[Robz4000]

:lol Laker fan trying to trash talk while their organization burns to the ground

[Killakobe81]

:lol. Wait for what? Lakers offered garbage. Boston wasn’t willing to offer anything. All the teams that were not Contenders refused to offer anything because they all know he’s signing with LA after the season.

People like to rag on derozan but his contract is not out of place in :lol today’s nba.

You just said the raptors took a risk. Now what would it be a risk at all if it was such a bad offer for the spurs?

A better fucking offer.
Lakers aren't only team
Make Raptors give up more of you love DD that much.
Just because DDs contract is in line with other shitty contracts doesn't make it a good one.
I said Raptors were being praised for a gamble
What risk did they take they dumped a bad contract for a good player for a injured legit superstar who their own medical staff fucking cleared to play...
You don't get back their best young prospect...
Whebdafuck dis Usai surpass PATFO in negotiating?!

[Killakobe81]

:lol Laker fan trying to trash talk while their organization burns to the ground

OH we a fucking mess
Doesnt change the facts of the Kawhi deal
It's not trash talk I would still trade patffo for our shitshow FO...
None of that changes this..

And even great FO makes mistakes just admit this one and tank God you don't have ours...

[Robz4000]

OH we a fucking mess
Doesnt change the facts of the Kawhi deal
It's not trash talk I would still trade patffo for our shitshow FO...
None of that changes this..

And even great FO makes mistakes just admit this one and tank God you don't have ours...

I've called out PATFO multiple times the past few years tbh. Still, seeing y'all bash the Spurs for poor FO decisions is hilarious.

[lefty]

Nurse had a pretty good game plan. Trapping curry high on the pick and roll with gasol was unexpected.

Ball movement was solid on the raptors and they were able to manufacture open shots when The nephew was bottled up.

Van fleet was phenomenal defending curry in tandem with gasol.

Lowry player very smart throughout.

Siakim destroyed green.

Speaking of green. He made some very smart plays but just couldn’t contain siakim at all. Imagine him guarding Hakeem, Robinson, shaq, Ewing, or even Daugherty or mourning. He would’ve been annihilated. :lol today’s nba.

LDN finding his shooting touch.
Even Kevin Duckworth (RIP) would destroy him tbh :lol

[Jonnyblue19]

Warriors are eyeing Durant to be back in game 4

[UZER]

The eye gouging nut kicking Draymond will be in full effect next game.

[spurraider21]

1134297804988440578

:lol
teams trading star players at or near their peak never get anything resembling value back. lakers dead shaq for odom/butler/brian grant. people here thought ainge got robbed when he traded isaiah thomas and jae crowder for kyrie :lol (seriously, people thought "omg AND JAE CROWDER???")

when a guy makes a trade demand known publicly, and even limits the cities he's willing to play for, the team has almost no leverage at all. it was just a matter of sending him to the eastern conference. best package was the clippers deal

[spursreport]

Gasol and Danny were big on both sides. Happy for Danny.

But Warriors played with no intensity. I don't expect them to play that lazily for another game.
Still think Warriors, probably in 6.

“No intensity” :lol This is the fucking finals. You don’t take games off in June. The Raptors are legit and are going to give the Warriors the most difficult series they’ve ever had. This isn’t a Lou Williams led team that took them to 6 games, a low IQ Rockets team that nearly pushed them 7, or a Blazer team who led a majority of the series despite being swept. A magical “switch” isn’t getting flipped. Toronto has all the tools to win this series handily.

[ambchang]

A better fucking offer.
Lakers aren't only team
Make Raptors give up more of you love DD that much.
Just because DDs contract is in line with other shitty contracts doesn't make it a good one.
I said Raptors were being praised for a gamble
What risk did they take they dumped a bad contract for a good player for a injured legit superstar who their own medical staff fucking cleared to play...
You don't get back their best young prospect...
Whebdafuck dis Usai surpass PATFO in negotiating?!

Did the spurs get a better offer? Kawhi was holding off all year. When do they wait till? THe 2019 finals?

He nephew and his team stated multiple times he’s going to come back in the 2017-18 season and then didn’t, raising concerns that he can no longer play. The team also leaked that he nephew wanted to go to LA and LA only.

The raptors took a huge risk already as you noted and the spurs would wait for what exactly? The raptors to take a bigger risk?

Why would the raptors give up a young prospect for a one year rental for a star player who has shown he would sit out a year and potentially injured? Especially when there is no competition?

[FrostKing]

“No intensity” :lol This is the fucking finals. You don’t take games off in June. The Raptors are legit and are going to give the Warriors the most difficult series they’ve ever had. This isn’t a Lou Williams led team that took them to 6 games, a low IQ Rockets team that nearly pushed them 7, or a Blazer team who led a majority of the series despite being swept. A magical “switch” isn’t getting flipped. Toronto has all the tools to win this series handily.
We are humans. Over repeated success if not challenged our intensity & focus declines.

Warriors fan base seems to think Raptors hit their ceiling last night. I think one individual player did but Toronto as a whole still has another level.

One thing for sure: GS is not climbing out of an 0-2 hole without fully healthy Durant and that might not be an option

[LkrFan]

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[lefty]

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[Killakobe81]

Did the spurs get a better offer? Kawhi was holding off all year. When do they wait till? THe 2019 finals?

He nephew and his team stated multiple times he’s going to come back in the 2017-18 season and then didn’t, raising concerns that he can no longer play. The team also leaked that he nephew wanted to go to LA and LA only.

The raptors took a huge risk already as you noted and the spurs would wait for what exactly? The raptors to take a bigger risk?

Why would the raptors give up a young prospect for a one year rental for a star player who has shown he would sit out a year and potentially injured? Especially when there is no competition?

I never said huge risk I said they getting praise for a gamble when it was a fleecing...

Look I'm just taking credit like some said as well for valuing Kawhi appropriately and devaluing the DD plus poo-poo platter..
It's like the KD over Oden I take pride in calling out the foolishness of the decision at the time of the trade not with some hindsight is 20/20 bullshit.
But it's over now just don't like the BS spin.

[ambchang]

I never said huge risk I said they getting praise for a gamble when it was a fleecing...

Look I'm just taking credit like some said as well for valuing Kawhi appropriately and devaluing the DD plus poo-poo platter..
It's like the KD over Oden I take pride in calling out the foolishness of the decision at the time of the trade not with some hindsight is 20/20 bullshit.
But it's over now just don't like the BS spin.

Oh my you can tell Kawhi > derozan? I’m sure you’re the only one to know that. In fact, I wouldn’t be able to tell without you telling me. But now that you mentioned it i think it’s true.

Man, I guess the spurs really shouldn’t have traded Kawhi for no reason at all. I mean, he was just second in mvp voting, won a finals mvp and two dpoy. Why would they trade him at all? Do you know why?

[lefty]

Because that FO has a huge ego

[Killakobe81]

Oh my you can tell Kawhi > derozan? I’m sure you’re the only one to know that. In fact, I wouldn’t be able to tell without you telling me. But now that you mentioned it i think it’s true.

Man, I guess the spurs really shouldn’t have traded Kawhi for no reason at all. I mean, he was just second in mvp voting, won a finals mvp and two dpoy. Why would they trade him at all? Do you know why?

Wasn't arguing that they should not have traded him only that they panicked and took a bad deal.
You say they had no leverage of course they didn't because they didn't want it to drag on and deal deal with the negative media attention... because drama is not the Spurs way... It speaks to the great culture and if anything I can respect that part but the bullshit spin that this was the best they could do and they had no leverage makes me question your reasoning which I normally respect outside of your obvious bias against Achilles...

[Spurtacular]

1134538686304047105

:cry But the ball movement :cry

[Arcadian]

What happened to that Anunobi guy?

[loveforthegame]

What happened to that Anunobi guy?

He had an appendectomy around the end of the season. He confirmed what many of us suspected when he was out longer than usual that it had ruptured before surgery. He was upgraded to questionable for game 1 but they decided to keep him out. Nurse said he expects he’ll be active for game 2.

[polandprzem]

Oh my you can tell Kawhi > derozan? I’m sure you’re the only one to know that. In fact, I wouldn’t be able to tell without you telling me. But now that you mentioned it i think it’s true.

Man, I guess the spurs really shouldn’t have traded Kawhi for no reason at all. I mean, he was just second in mvp voting, won a finals mvp and two dpoy. Why would they trade him at all? Do you know why?

I give that post an A grade

[ambchang]

Wasn't arguing that they should not have traded him only that they panicked and took a bad deal.
You say they had no leverage of course they didn't because they didn't want it to drag on and deal deal with the negative media attention... because drama is not the Spurs way... It speaks to the great culture and if anything I can respect that part but the bullshit spin that this was the best they could do and they had no leverage makes me question your reasoning which I normally respect outside of your obvious bias against Achilles...

So you know that the raptors will offer anouby or siakim if the spurs just play hard to get? Who were the raptors going against? Were they worried that the spurs will just screw this and take the poo poo platter from the lakers? Have you ever negotiated? The raptors were totally fine with keeping their roster intact. There was no pressure no expectations. All the pressure was on the spurs and everyone knew it because kawhis camp made it public.

[Laker_1995]

There’s only maybe 4-5 players that would have been a somewhat even trade with kawahi. No matter what the spurs were fucked.

[ambchang]

There’s only maybe 4-5 players that would have been a somewhat even trade with kawahi. No matter what the spurs were fucked.

COngrats on being the only non retarded lakers fan on this site.

[djohn2oo8]

GS really needs game 2. Putting Durant back in now will have its issues

[MultiTroll]

So you know that the raptors will offer anouby or siakim if the spurs just play hard to get? Who were the raptors going against? Have you ever negotiated? The raptors were totally fine with keeping their roster intact. There was no pressure no expectations. All the pressure was on the spurs and everyone knew it because kawhis camp made it public.
Do you know the Raptors would not have offered an or sia?
Yes they were very much under pressure, even if it was self induced. Raptors / Raptor Fan were tired of being in playoffs but never getting far. GM seemed super motivated to make a splash.

[ambchang]

Do you know the Raptors would not have offered an or sia?
Yes they were very much under pressure, even if it was self induced. Raptors / Raptor Fan were tired of being in playoffs but never getting far. GM seemed super motivated to make a splash.

The premise isn't the Spurs made a fantastic trade. The premise is that the Spurs were fleeced because they didn't wait. The onus of proof is on him, not me.

And no, there was a huge uproar over trading derozan as he was the first star player to willingly resign with the raptors. The risk is that they got rid of the most beloved star in franchise history for a one year rental of a guy who was wiling to sit out and force a trade to LA.

It was a smart move by ujiri. He knew the raptors maxed out its potential. If nephew stays, then great. If he leaves then they tried and can reboot the team.

[Killakobe81]

The premise isn't the Spurs made a fantastic trade. The premise is that the Spurs were fleeced because they didn't wait. The onus of proof is on him, not me.

And no, there was a huge uproar over trading derozan as he was the first star player to willingly resign with the raptors. The risk is that they got rid of the most beloved star in franchise history for a one year rental of a guy who was wiling to sit out and force a trade to LA.

It was a smart move by ujiri. He knew the raptors maxed out its potential. If nephew stays, then great. If he leaves then they tried and can reboot the team.

There is nothing I can prove... And neither can you. Facts are it was not a good trade. No way to prove they could get more it's just the gamble I argued they should take. Use the Lakers as leverage and, threaten tiosend him there if Raptors won't up the ante... Lakers have been dumb as fuck... Sure they would have blindly obliged... But because they made it known they weren't sending him west and especially Los Angeles Clips or Lakers they fucked their leverage...
Of course you don't get fair value for Kawhi you never do for a top 1-5 player but you don't have to get fleeced either...

[MultiTroll]

It was a smart move by ujiri. He knew the raptors maxed out its potential. If nephew stays, then great. If he leaves then they tried and can reboot the team.
Exactly. While Toronto didn't have to make a move, ujiri wanted to make one. Badly.
IMO.
As Killa noted, we are all just speculating here.

I am in the camp that says the Spurs did not have to make a move at that exact time. Yes Nephew put them in a corner. But they were not pinned in yet. I, like Killa wonder what other teams might have done had the Spurs been willing to play poker. Loved that they laughed off the initial offer from entitlement minded Fagic. But have to believe Fagic may have come back with a counter had the Spurs held out and gotten other teams offering something. Celts tight assed Ainge? Ya true. Philly is one that might have been willing to up the ante quite a bit. Or Clipps, altho I didn't want Harris. Point being, Spurs did not HAVE to move when they did.

Of course if CIA Popped isn't married to Patty Mills, we may have gone much farther this year including the playoffs. Which could have made the DD trade much better. Just speculatin. ;)

[Killakobe81]

Exactly. While Toronto didn't have to make a move, ujiri wanted to make one. Badly.
IMO.
As Killa noted, we are all just speculating here.

I am in the camp that says the Spurs did not have to make a move at that exact time. Yes Nephew put them in a corner. But they were not pinned in yet. I, like Killa wonder what other teams might have done had the Spurs been willing to play poker. Loved that they laughed off the initial offer from entitlement minded Fagic. But have to believe Fagic may have come back with a counter had the Spurs held out and gotten other teams offering something. Celts tight assed Ainge? Ya true. Philly is one that might have been willing to up the ante quite a bit. Or Clipps, altho I didn't want Harris. Point being, Spurs did not HAVE to move when they did.

Of course if CIA Popped isn't married to Patty Mills, we may have gone much farther this year including the playoffs. Which could have made the DD trade much better. Just speculatin. ;)

Great post it was all I am saying and is a fair point.
DD is a good player at less salary I would like him even more.
It's all speculative I just believe you get less when you are extra motivated to move something right away.
Maye fleeced is a bit strong but definitely more than just they lost the trade, because there was no way to win when you are losing a player like Kawhi... Hut Siakam even before Game 1 makes the loss much less of one...

[baseline bum]

I never said huge risk I said they getting praise for a gamble when it was a fleecing...

Look I'm just taking credit like some said as well for valuing Kawhi appropriately and devaluing the DD plus poo-poo platter..
It's like the KD over Oden I take pride in calling out the foolishness of the decision at the time of the trade not with some hindsight is 20/20 bullshit.
But it's over now just don't like the BS spin.

I don't remember you valuing Kawhi very high last summer when he was on the trading block. You thought I was crazy calling him the second best player in the league when he might actually be #1 now.

[Reck]

lol today's NBA where you need two days off while no team travel is scheduled.

[313]

Purdle, so far, has been a much better prospect than OG, and was the best option available outside Siakam(who wasn't available). I don't know why ST is obsessed with OG, like he is this amazing prospect.

[lefty]

lol today's NBA where you need two days off while no team travel is scheduled.

[FrostKing]

Raptors 2-0 crew

[ambchang]

There is nothing I can prove... And neither can you. Facts are it was not a good trade. No way to prove they could get more it's just the gamble I argued they should take. Use the Lakers as leverage and, threaten tiosend him there if Raptors won't up the ante... Lakers have been dumb as fuck... Sure they would have blindly obliged... But because they made it known they weren't sending him west and especially Los Angeles Clips or Lakers they fucked their leverage...
Of course you don't get fair value for Kawhi you never do for a top 1-5 player but you don't have to get fleeced either...

Well duh. Anytime to trade a top 10 player it’s going to be a bad trade, let alone a top 3. Teams never trade a top player without it being necessary and it never brings anything close to comparable value. It doesn’t take Kawhi making the finals to know this.

It’s stupid the roaches are coming out now to say how stupid the spurs were because Kawhi made the finals, as if the raptors or making it, say if siakim broke a leg or Lowry got knocked out would somehow make it a better trade.

What leverage are the lakers. Don’t send me your semi garbage because the lakers are going to send me worse garbage?

[Killakobe81]

Well duh. Anytime to trade a top 10 player it’s going to be a bad trade, let alone a top 3. Teams never trade a top player without it being necessary and it never brings anything close to comparable value. It doesn’t take Kawhi making the finals to know this.

It’s stupid the roaches are coming out now to say how stupid the spurs were because Kawhi made the finals, as if the raptors or making it, say if siakim broke a leg or Lowry got knocked out would somehow make it a better trade.

What leverage are the lakers. Don’t send me your semi garbage because the lakers are going to send me worse garbage?

Nope Finals doesn't change anything
I said it at the time of the trade and I said it now.
Finals just make it look worse because Siakam broke out who was player I insisted on... Or no deal.

[ambchang]

Exactly. While Toronto didn't have to make a move, ujiri wanted to make one. Badly.
IMO.
As Killa noted, we are all just speculating here.

I am in the camp that says the Spurs did not have to make a move at that exact time. Yes Nephew put them in a corner. But they were not pinned in yet. I, like Killa wonder what other teams might have done had the Spurs been willing to play poker. Loved that they laughed off the initial offer from entitlement minded Fagic. But have to believe Fagic may have come back with a counter had the Spurs held out and gotten other teams offering something. Celts tight assed Ainge? Ya true. Philly is one that might have been willing to up the ante quite a bit. Or Clipps, altho I didn't want Harris. Point being, Spurs did not HAVE to move when they did.

Of course if CIA Popped isn't married to Patty Mills, we may have gone much farther this year including the playoffs. Which could have made the DD trade much better. Just speculatin. ;)

No doubt Ujiri wanted to make the trade, I would be all over it if I can get a top 3 player by giving up a borderline All-Star. But he was under no pressure to do so.

Kawhi didn't necessarily increase his value much during the regular season. He was always injury managing himself, showing just enough to justify the max, but did his value necessarily increase? Not really, because, again, his camp made it clear he wanted to be in LA.

If the Raptors making the finals didn't make them the clear cut winner to sign Nephew now (people are still speculating he is going to the Clippers), if an entire country is treating him like a God and willing to sacrifice their virgin daugthers for him don't make him want to stay in Toronto, what chance would the Celtics or Philly have in keeping him? It would be even less of a chance for weaker teams to do so. As for the Clippers, they can get him without giving up anything at all, why up the ante?

[ambchang]

Nope Finals doesn't change anything
I said it at the time of the trade and I said it now.
Finals just make it look worse because Siakam broke out who waste player I insisted on... Or no deal.

So what is your point, that Spurs had a bad trade? No shit! The 6ers had a bad trade involving Barkley, ditto Lakers and Shaq, or Grizzlies with MVPau, or Bucks with Kareem. I wanted the Spurs to hold out too, but reality is that Nephew and his crew isn't going to help the Spurs at all, they made sure they want to nuclear bomb the Spurs organization, and the actions the last few days showed it.

[Killakobe81]

So what is your point, that Spurs had a bad trade? No shit! The 6ers had a bad trade involving Barkley, ditto Lakers and Shaq, or Grizzlies with MVPau, or Bucks with Kareem. I wanted the Spurs to hold out too, but reality is that Nephew and his crew isn't going to help the Spurs at all, they made sure they want to nuclear bomb the Spurs organization, and the actions the last few days showed it.

wait,I thought Odom was this great big that helped carry achilles?! I said my peace you think they did well considering the circumstances, i think they panicked.
I'm gonna stop here because i know you always feel that you have to have the last word ... so feel free to make a pithy response and consider the matter closed.

[ambchang]

wait,I thought Odom was this great big that helped carry achilles?! I said my peace you think they did well considering the circumstances, i think they panicked.
I'm gonna stop here because i know you always feel that you have to have the last word ... so feel free to make a pithy response and consider the matter closed.

Did you hit your head lately?

Derozan got the spurs to the playoffs, Odom was more than enough for the playoffs. But getting odom for shaq was a fleece because shaq got the lakers three straight rings. Just as Kawhi can get the spurs rings.

Do you under stand or do I have to get midnightpulp to draw you some diagrams?

[Bill_Brasky]

Wait, so after shitting on Kawhi and calling him a system player for the Spurs, shitting on him for all of last year and saying he sucks, now in the NBA finals Lakers fan is revising history and telling us what a bad deal the Kawhi trade was for the Spurs?

Didn't your team just sign LeBron James and proceed to miss the playoffs? Didn't your team hire Kobe's agent to play GM? Didn't Magic Johnson just go on First Take 2 weeks ago and completely confirm what we all knew in that the Lakers ownership makes Jerry Jones look competent? I know if that was my team i would shut the fuck up about anyone else's issues.

[LkrFan]

If the Dubs lose to a Canadian NBA team, is that worse than Jim leading USA to a Bronze Olympic Medal? I don't think so :lol

[Killakobe81]

Wait, so after shitting on Kawhi and calling him a system player for the Spurs, shitting on him for all of last year and saying he sucks, now in the NBA finals Lakers fan is revising history and telling us what a bad deal the Kawhi trade was for the Spurs?

Didn't your team just sign LeBron James and proceed to miss the playoffs? Didn't your team hire Kobe's agent to play GM? Didn't Magic Johnson just go on First Take 2 weeks ago and completely confirm what we all knew in that the Lakers ownership makes Jerry Jones look competent? I know if that was my team i would shut the fuck up about anyone else's issues.

Yup we are a mess, doesn't change the facts.. here. A fucker who has been divorced 6 times might not be the best person to get marital advice from but can still tell you plenty about a bad match and the mistakes they made...

I never said Kawhi was a system player said he was third best SF before injury... But might be third best player as well he leads a title might be #1.

[Arcadian]

Wait, so after shitting on Kawhi and calling him a system player for the Spurs, shitting on him for all of last year and saying he sucks, now in the NBA finals Lakers fan is revising history and telling us what a bad deal the Kawhi trade was for the Spurs?

Didn't your team just sign LeBron James and proceed to miss the playoffs? Didn't your team hire Kobe's agent to play GM? Didn't Magic Johnson just go on First Take 2 weeks ago and completely confirm what we all knew in that the Lakers ownership makes Jerry Jones look competent? I know if that was my team i would shut the fuck up about anyone else's issues.

:lol

[BD24]

1134297804988440578

:lol
Your an ass hope for this one Diego :lol

[LkrFan]

Your an ass hope for this one Diego :lol
:lol

[DC23]

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1135212123435524096

[Play Boban]

Let’s Go No. 2!

[DC23]

Game time!

[DC23]

Cousins starting.

[Play Boban]

Cousins starting.
:cry

[DavidTheGoliath]

D league posting up eliancito ������
Anyone who says nurse is a better coach than Pop should be robbed and shot to death. lmao

[slick'81]

Raptors too good

[DC23]

Raptors already in the penalty. Big game coming from Leonard.

[GB20]

Let's go kawhi!!

[Capt Bringdown]

Fuck these WarriorRefs, that was an insanely easy goaltending call on Thompson.

[Play Boban]

Kawow

[Reck]

:lmao Warriors looking supremely average out there.

:lmao Siakam destroying fattie Green again.

[Monostradamus]

Silver isn’t letting the Warriors go down 0-2 :lol

[Play Boban]

Gasol the missing piece

[FkLA]

Warriors got this, tbh.

[Capt Bringdown]

The Golden State Moving Screens

[Monostradamus]

:lmao Curry preemptively providing an excuse for his shitty play

[Killakobe81]

steph with a illness excuse?

[TDfan2007]

Warriors playing with purpose. Siakam is so good

[Reck]

steph with a illness excuse?

All elite players like to use the injury excuse. Leonard did the same last series.

:lol Mah leg :cry

[Killakobe81]

The Golden State Moving Screens

Come on there is no ref excuses here ...
moving screens vs a lot of clutching and grabbing
refs have been fine
raptors are just beating and bullying Dubs even with the FT disparity tonight.

[slick'81]

Pascal the gawd

[LkrFan]

Somebody's gonna max Donkey:
1135345676382924800

[GB20]

:lmao Curry preemptively providing an excuse for his shitty play

Right!! Kawhi is playing with one fucking leg and you don't see him making excuses.

[LkrFan]

Silver isn’t letting the Warriors go down 0-2 :lol

Yep - Scott Foster is an elite road team fixer.

[Play Boban]

Right!! Kawhi is playing with one fucking leg and you don't see him making excuses.
You sure about that? :lol

[TDfan2007]

Raptors are playing great D overall, but they've had momentary lapses. They clean that up and this is over

[Laker_1995]

Curry excuses coming soon. If it were Lebron I could imagine the fucken bashing that would happen

[FkLA]

It's a lot easier to appreciate Donkey when you aren't rooting against the Warriors. By far the best role player in the league, and a super role player like him is way harder to come across than say third tier stars, tbh.

[ambchang]

Warriors on pace for 52 free throws. What a joke.

[Play Boban]

Warriors on pace for 52 free throws. What a joke.
Warrioref

[TDfan2007]

Siakam is a gem. He's incredible

[gambit1990]

TOR is playing with a great poise.

[LkrFan]

The Golden State Moving Screens

Ala 2008 Celtics illegals screens vs Lakers in the Finals. Shhhhh!!

[LkrFan]

Siakam is a gem. He's incredible

Pop told me he preferred Peotl in the Kiwi deal tbh :lmao

[LkrFan]

Chef choking in the Finals without DurAlpha? :wow

[Reck]

Raptors in 5. Is it just me or is anyone else getting 2014 vibes here? Like the Spurs in 2014, Raps cannot be stopped.

:lol Jackson and Van Gundy already semen shielding for the Warriors.

[D-Wade]

VanVleet has had some great finishes.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Curry faking sick :lmao

What is it with these damn players faking shit lol

[Reck]

Jackson: :cry Warriors just aren't the same anymore.

[hitmanyr2k]

Chef choking in the Finals without DurAlpha? :wow


Looking like Finals Game 3 Curry from last year when Durant bailed the whole team out.

[ambchang]

The Canadian announcers are going apeshit. :lol

[AlexJones]

Cousins getting D-Wade calls out here

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Lmao fuckin refs man

[LkrFan]

Scott Foster :lmao

[LkrFan]

Cousins getting D-Wade calls out here

:lol

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

This should be a blowout

[ambchang]

Cousins first got a phantom foul in gasol, then a clear charge against Lowry that was called a block. The nba isnt even trying to make this subtle.

[hitmanyr2k]

I haven't heard a big man yell on his shot like this since Pau Gasol. Cousins is sounding like a bitch out there lol.

[slick'81]

Warriors got this, tbh.

They really dont tbh

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Lmao fuckin refs man

[LkrFan]

Looking like Finals Game 3 Curry from last year when Durant bailed the whole team out.

Yep yep

[LkrFan]

This should be a blowout

Scott Foster ain't having it.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

If it weren't for the refs it'd prob be a 20 point lead at least

[Reck]

This is going to make it easier for Kawhi to leave. One year, one championship.

Now I gotta make bank, bye. :lol

[GB20]

The raptors are too strong for the warriors.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Holy crap the Warriors stinking up the joint.

[gambit1990]

raps hungrier and putting in the work.

[TDfan2007]

Warriors defensive effort has been inconsistent, but damn the Raptors are playing WELL. The same guys who looked frozen against the bucks are stepping up big time.

[LkrFan]

Somewhere KD laughing at the thought of the Dubs being better without him. Meanwhile Dr. Dray telling him they can't 3peat without him:
https://media1.tenor.com/images/33c110e1cad7a38c3b8cd15139059265/tenor.gif?itemid=8303639

:lol

[SuperCam]

western conference dominance is dead tbh. gs was only team that wasnt a regular season pretender and even they are getting sonned by the 2nd best team in the east..

[AlexJones]

Looking like Finals Game 3 Curry from last year when Durant bailed the whole team out.
:lol low IQ post. Curry was triple teamed at half court while Durant got everything 1 on 1

[FkLA]

A bit premature to say TOR is clearly the better team, imo. The Warriors have come back in the 2nd half all postseason. Even if they don't again, it's probable that they hold serve at home. MIL looked more in control after two games in the ECF.

[slick'81]

A bit premature to say TOR is clearly the better team, imo. The Warriors have come back in the 2nd half all postseason. Even if they don't again, it's probable that they hold serve at home. MIL looked more in control after two games in the ECF.


Tor is much better especially at home

[LkrFan]

Fat Gasol with his Pistons Bad Boy screens :lol

[Play Boban]

:lmao at all the low IQ takes about how the Warriorefs were better without KD :lol

[Play Boban]

Fat Gasol with his Pistons Bad Boy screens :lol
MVGasol tbh

[Monostradamus]

Raptors should be up 20. Refs are only partly to blame tbh. Autism Boy not noticing where the out of bounds line is isn’t helping.

[FkLA]

Tor is much better especially at home

I don't think so but we'll see.

[slick'81]

I don't think so but we'll see.

These arent the blazers homie

[Reck]

Warriors players flat out quitting one by one.

[gambit1990]

i wonder what the raps do if kawhi leaves. masai isn't afraid to make moves.

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol low IQ post. Curry was triple teamed at half court while Durant got everything 1 on 1

Stop with the bullshit excuses. He wasn't triple-teamed on every shot dumbass :lol

[FkLA]

but but warriorefs :cry

[SuperCam]

raptorrefs to the rescue, tbh

[TDfan2007]

Van whatever the fuck is murdering Curry lolol

[LkrFan]

Dubs finally called for illegal screen? :wow

[Reck]

:lmao at all the low IQ takes about how the Warriorefs were better without KD :lol
timvp turning up ghost. :lol

[FkLA]

These arent the blazers homie

Bet?

[TDfan2007]

How is this still a game?

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Fred VanVleet has been the best PG in this game.

[slick'81]

Bet?


Series or just this game

[LkrFan]

Drake tryna instigate a T on Donkey :lol

[Play Boban]

timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) turning up ghost. :lol
VanVleet must’ve read some of timvp’s posts from last series tbh. :lol

[FkLA]

:lol drake trolling Donkey

[TDfan2007]

Raps took their foot off the gas to end the half. Couple of braindead plays

[TDfan2007]

That was not a foul on Siakem, but it was a dumb reach.

[Play Boban]

Awful end to the half for Raptors tbh, precarious position fwiw........ :wakeup

[LkrFan]

Klay and Scott Foster bailing out the Dubs :lol

[Reck]

54-59

What is wrong with that picture. :lmao

Game should be done.

[FkLA]

Series or just this game

series

TOR is "much better", your words not mine. $500 says GS at least takes this to 7 games?

[Spurtacular]

Klay and Scott Foster bailing out the Dubs :lol

Some serious game management to make that a four-point game at the half. I fucking hate the NBA.