Trump turns the full force of the government on perceived political enemies

[RandomGuy]

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump found four former federal officials guilty of "treason" Thursday — and then commissioned his intelligence agencies to help the Department of Justice prove it.

At the same time, he is blocking Congress from executing its constitutional duty to execute oversight of his administration, not only with regard to his campaign's ties to Russia and the interference detailed in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but also on a host of other fronts.

He's wielding power in ways not seen in the United States in generations, if ever, and which many experts say do not resemble global norms for heads of state.

"This is really a feature of petty dictators, where you see the power of investigation abilities being used as a political tool against enemies," Claire Finkelstein, the director of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania's law school, said in a telephone interview.

"In this case I believe it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the public, to spin a certain narrative about our intelligence community, to throw pixie dust over the facts surrounding the 2016 election," she said. "And it’s remarkable in my mind that he’s been successful with these tactics" in terms of convincing a significant share of the American public that he is the victim of a "deep state" conspiracy.

On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death.

Later, the White House issued a statement noting that Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials. He has delegated the authority to declassify information obtained from the intelligence agencies to Attorney General William Barr, even though the White House is currently fighting a series of congressional subpoenas for information on the Mueller report and a variety of other topics.

Under the Constitution, treason is defined as waging war against the United States or aiding and abetting an enemy of the nation, and the law has typically recognized "enemies" of the U.S. as countries with which the U.S. is engaged in open and active hostilities.

"He doesn't care about the law," said former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah, who serves as a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. "He is trying to use the justice system and our intelligence system — he's trying to manipulate them and he has been trying to do that for two years, and now he has Bill Barr helping him, and to me, that is just terrifying."

Individual prosecutors across the country have tremendous power and discretion in terms of who they investigate and seek charges against, she said, and there could be "a chilling effect" on them if they watch the president and the attorney general prosecute people who investigate Trump.

There's already evidence of Barr breaking with norms to aid the president, according to some legal scholars.

"This is the first time in recent memory that a U.S. president has openly called for a criminal investigation into perceived enemies, and the investigation is being carried out," Brian Z. Tamanaha, a Washington University law professor and the author of the 2004 book "On the Rule of Law," said in an email. "This does not happen in countries that respect the rule of law. The concern is heightened in this instance because Attorney General Barr has thus far behaved as if his highest duty is to President Trump rather than to uphold the Constitution and laws."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-turns-full-force-government-perceived-political-enemies-n1010096

[boutons_deux]

Voters elected Trash so he could hurt people, like Dems, selected swamp creatures, LGBTQ, and all non-Euro-white, non-male, non-Christian citizens.

[TSA]

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump found four former federal officials guilty of "treason" Thursday — and then commissioned his intelligence agencies to help the Department of Justice prove it.

At the same time, he is blocking Congress from executing its constitutional duty to execute oversight of his administration, not only with regard to his campaign's ties to Russia and the interference detailed in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but also on a host of other fronts.

He's wielding power in ways not seen in the United States in generations, if ever, and which many experts say do not resemble global norms for heads of state.

"This is really a feature of petty dictators, where you see the power of investigation abilities being used as a political tool against enemies," Claire Finkelstein, the director of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania's law school, said in a telephone interview.

"In this case I believe it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the public, to spin a certain narrative about our intelligence community, to throw pixie dust over the facts surrounding the 2016 election," she said. "And it’s remarkable in my mind that he’s been successful with these tactics" in terms of convincing a significant share of the American public that he is the victim of a "deep state" conspiracy.

On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death.

Later, the White House issued a statement noting that Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials. He has delegated the authority to declassify information obtained from the intelligence agencies to Attorney General William Barr, even though the White House is currently fighting a series of congressional subpoenas for information on the Mueller report and a variety of other topics.

Under the Constitution, treason is defined as waging war against the United States or aiding and abetting an enemy of the nation, and the law has typically recognized "enemies" of the U.S. as countries with which the U.S. is engaged in open and active hostilities.

"He doesn't care about the law," said former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah, who serves as a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. "He is trying to use the justice system and our intelligence system — he's trying to manipulate them and he has been trying to do that for two years, and now he has Bill Barr helping him, and to me, that is just terrifying."

Individual prosecutors across the country have tremendous power and discretion in terms of who they investigate and seek charges against, she said, and there could be "a chilling effect" on them if they watch the president and the attorney general prosecute people who investigate Trump.

There's already evidence of Barr breaking with norms to aid the president, according to some legal scholars.

"This is the first time in recent memory that a U.S. president has openly called for a criminal investigation into perceived enemies, and the investigation is being carried out," Brian Z. Tamanaha, a Washington University law professor and the author of the 2004 book "On the Rule of Law," said in an email. "This does not happen in countries that respect the rule of law. The concern is heightened in this instance because Attorney General Barr has thus far behaved as if his highest duty is to President Trump rather than to uphold the Constitution and laws."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-turns-full-force-government-perceived-political-enemies-n1010096

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

[Pavlov]

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.TSA notably will not say anything is actually going to come of these investigations that aren't actually investigations.

But he still believes in Qanon.

:lmao

[TSA]

“Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?

[Pavlov]

“Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?What crimes?

List them.

[boutons_deux]

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.


You Lie

[boutons_deux]

“Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?

total deflection away from his impending impeachment the 20 investigations into Trash and his mafiya.

[RandomGuy]

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

Still haven't actually read the report yet have you? They pretty much found plenty of collusion, by your own definition.

[RandomGuy]

“Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?

Not against them, unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors.

So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

"unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors"

... actual violations of law are not required. Impeachment/conviction is a political process, not a legal/judicial process.

[TSA]

Still haven't actually read the report yet have you? They pretty much found plenty of collusion, by your own definition.:lol

col·lu·sion
/kəˈlo͞oZHən/
Learn to pronounce
noun
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

[TSA]

Not against them, unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors.

So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.

Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.

[Spurminator]

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

You don't get to cheer open abuse of power after accusing the former administration of it for 2+ years.

But I bet you will.

[Pavlov]

Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.So is the DOJ tbh....

[ducks]

“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

― Ronald Reagan

[RandomGuy]

So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.


Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.

Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.

Good to know.

[RandomGuy]

:lol

col·lu·sion
/kəˈlo͞oZHən/
Learn to pronounce
noun
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

Why aren't you posting the parts of the report where they talk about how their investigation was limited? What are you hiding?

[TSA]

So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.



Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.

Good to know.

The article you posted had nothing to do with investigations into political opponents. Are we no longer discussing your OP in the thread you started?

[TSA]

Why aren't you posting the parts of the report where they talk about how their investigation was limited? What are you hiding?


:cry Mueller was limited :cry

:lol get the fuck out of here with that bullshit excuse. You are one of three people left on this board still clinging to collusion. When you are in the same company as djohn and Spurs Homer you should really stop and reevaluate your position.

[Spurs Homer]

:cry Mueller was limited :cry

:lol get the fuck out of here with that bullshit excuse. You are one of three people left on this board still clinging to collusion. When you are in the same company as djohn and Spurs Homer you should really stop and reevaluate your position.


"wrong about pizzagate"


nuff sed


:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

my working hypothesis is that when they are not mere fingers in the text, smilies and emojis and stickers generally signify the pain of delay and the frustration of non-fulfillment, and as such are a classic neurotic tell. TSA and SpursHomer both suffer from this disease.

[pgardn]

“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

― Ronald Reagan

Ive noticed everyone against abortion has already been born.

I need to poll eggs and sperm.
Then I’ll report back Duckman.

[UnWantedTheory]

“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

― Ronald Reagan
LMAO. That has always been one of the most retarded arguments for pro-lifers.

[benefactor]

LMAO. That has always been one of the most retarded arguments for pro-lifers.
They went from that to becoming the party of Trump. Nothing new under the sun tbh

[RandomGuy]

:cry Mueller was limited :cry

:lol get the fuck out of here with that bullshit excuse. You are one of three people left on this board still clinging to collusion. When you are in the same company as djohn and Spurs Homer you should really stop and reevaluate your position.

You keep posting this bit you copied and pasted from someone else's work like it means something.

When I argue with creationists who think they understand evolution, they do the exact same thing, i.e. make claims based on an incomplete or mistaken understanding of the topic. You have posted the equivalent of "if we evolved from monkeys whey are there still monkeys, CHECKMATE ATHEIST". :lmao

The actual report gives some very specific and material limitations on what they did and didn't find, that you didn't post here. You won't bother reading the full report to understand it for the same reason that creationists or flat-earthers won't pick up books on science.

You want to keep your delusions, and know, deep down, that they are delusions. That is why you won't read it, and keep posting the comforting words rather than do the actual work.

[RandomGuy]

Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.


The article you posted had nothing to do with investigations into political opponents. Are we no longer discussing your OP in the thread you started?

Another post where you could have simply said "no, the president should not be ordering investigations into political enemies", and yet, you didn't. Holy fuckballs.

Your slide towards fascism and dictator worship is complete. Please see the window on the left for your certifcate of completion, MAGA armband. Brown shirt and jackboot fittings are down the hall.

Never really talked to someone who was so openly a fascist. This is like watching fascinating, icky bug.

[RandomGuy]

They went from that to becoming the party of Trump. Nothing new under the sun tbh

Seriously.

We already have members of the military essentially wearing armbands.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-reviewing-make-aircrew-great-again-patches-seen-during-trump-n1011236

Trump will not go quietly, and he will have the machinery of a thoroughly corrupted and worshipful party to support him. Mark my words. He loses the election it will be "it was rigged" and violence. Impeachment and it will be "coup" and violence.

[TSA]

Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.



Another post where you could have simply said "no, the president should not be ordering investigations into political enemies", and yet, you didn't. Holy fuckballs.

Your slide towards fascism and dictator worship is complete. Please see the window on the left for your certifcate of completion, MAGA armband. Brown shirt and jackboot fittings are down the hall.

Never really talked to someone who was so openly a fascist. This is like watching fascinating, icky bug.

In order to answer your question you need to make yourself more clear. Which political opponents in the article you posted is Trump ordering investigations of?

[TSA]

Trump will not go quietly, and he will have the machinery of a thoroughly corrupted and worshipful party to support him. Mark my words. He loses the election it will be "it was rigged" and violence. Impeachment and it will be "coup" and violence.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

:lmao

MAGA bomber. Keep laughing, brown shirt.

[TSA]

MAGA bomber. Keep laughing, brown shirt.

I will keep on laughing at your downward spiral.

Who are the political opponents in your article Trump is having investigated?

[Pavlov]

I will keep on laughing at your downward spiral.
:lol ol' #pizzagate Qanon Silsby Cat Stevens mind control TSA trying to tell anyone about downward spirals

[koriwhat]

You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

Fucking right! Fuck these pussies here who think they're anything but the pussies that they are. I hope to see many of their leftist/rhino heroes hanging soon!

[RandomGuy]

I will keep on laughing at your downward spiral.

Who are the political opponents in your article Trump is having investigated?

Not what I asked. Keep changing the subject, jackboot.

I asked if you were comfortable with "the president" ordering investigations into political opponents.

[koriwhat]

Not what I asked. Keep changing the subject, jackboot.

I asked if you were comfortable with "the president" ordering investigations into political opponents.

Sure, they opened one on him that was based on a bogus dossier. I say investigate them til they're hanging high on nat'l tv!

[Pavlov]

lol stoner bloodlust

[TSA]

Not what I asked. Keep changing the subject, jackboot.

I asked if you were comfortable with "the president" ordering investigations into political opponents.

Which political opponents are you talking about? There were none listed in your OP. Are we still discussing your OP? Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Which political opponents are you talking about? There were none listed in your OP. Are we still discussing your OP? Yes or no.

Trash named names, Comey, Strozk, etc, as treasonous against Trash.

Professional LIAR and Repug hitman Barr, he who calls FBI intelligence monitoring as "spying", will select from classified info to slander, to implicate Trash's enemies.

[TSA]

Trash named names, Comey, Strozk, etc, as treasonous against Trash.

Professional LIAR and Repug hitman Barr, he who calls FBI intelligence monitoring as "spying", will select from classified info to slander, to implicate Trash's enemies.

Are the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI political opponents?

If the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI did this investigation by the book they should have nothing to worry about.

[RandomGuy]

Which political opponents are you talking about? There were none listed in your OP. Are we still discussing your OP? Yes or no.

Dodge duck and weave, jesus.

Probably should be more clear, to be fair to you.

Are you comfortable with any president at all ordering investigations into political opponents? Is the concept one you are comfortable with in general?

[TSA]

Dodge duck and weave, jesus.

Probably should be more clear, to be fair to you.

Are you comfortable with any president at all ordering investigations into political opponents? Is the concept one you are comfortable with in general?

Generally no, I'm not comfortable with that and there would have to be severe circumstances where I'd feel comfortable with that.

But that isn't what your OP is about.

Do you consider the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI to be political opponents? Yes or no.

Should the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI ever be considered political opponents? Yes or no.

[spurraider21]

Generally no, I'm not comfortable with that and there would have to be severe circumstances where I'd feel comfortable with that.

But that isn't what your OP is about.

Do you consider the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI to be political opponents? Yes or no.

Should the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI ever be considered political opponents? Yes or no.
do you know what the word "perceived" means?

[RandomGuy]

Generally no, I'm not comfortable with that and there would have to be severe circumstances where I'd feel comfortable with that.

But that isn't what your OP is about.

Do you consider the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI to be political opponents? Yes or no.

Should the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI ever be considered political opponents? Yes or no.

The former heads of those departments are not my political opponents no.

Should they be? Hell if I know.

My opinion here doesn't really count though. Not sure why you are asking here.

[TSA]

do you know what the word "perceived" means?

Do you know what the word "political" means? Since when is it okay for the heads of intelligence agencies to act politically?

[TSA]

The former heads of those departments are not my political opponents no.

Should they be? Hell if I know.

My opinion here doesn't really count though. Not sure why you are asking here.

Are you saying the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are Trump's political opponents?

[RandomGuy]

do you know what the word "perceived" means?

Holy shit, re-read it. The four people talked about were:



On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death.

NO idea why he is going off on "former heads of [letters]" Comey was the former head of the FBI, the firing of which was a clear case of obstruction of justice, outlined in the Mueller report.

[RandomGuy]

Are you saying the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are Trump's political opponents?

:lol (shrugs) No idea.

Holy fuckballs, you really can't read, can you? I mean, its fine if you have some sort of learning disability. Let me know and I'll be happy to cut you some slack.

[TSA]

Holy shit, re-read it. The four people talked about were:




NO idea why he is going off on "former heads of [letters]" Comey was the former head of the FBI, the firing of which was a clear case of obstruction of justice, outlined in the Mueller report.

OP doesn't want to talk about his OP :lol

The investigation referenced in the article you posted that you don't want to talk about is about the origins of the Russia investigation, it is not about investigating Trump's political opponents. Unless of course you want to admit that the heads of these agencies and those below them were acting politically when investigating. Pick a lane.

[TSA]

:lol (shrugs) No idea.

Holy fuckballs, you really can't read, can you? I mean, its fine if you have some sort of learning disability. Let me know and I'll be happy to cut you some slack.

You really don't want to discuss your OP do you?

[spurraider21]

Do you know what the word "political" means? Since when is it okay for the heads of intelligence agencies to act politically?
trump perceives them as his political enemies. that doesnt mean they are his political enemies.

[TSA]

trump perceives them as his political enemies. that doesnt mean they are his political enemies.

RG said political opponents, I still want to know who he is referring to.

[Pavlov]

Generally no, I'm not comfortable with that and there would have to be severe circumstances where I'd feel comfortable with that.

But that isn't what your OP is about.

Do you consider the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI to be political opponents? Yes or no.

Should the former heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI ever be considered political opponents? Yes or no.It's not what he thinks, doofus.

It's what Trump thinks and what Trump says.

[Pavlov]

Jesus, what a stupid semantic argument when the thread title is completely clear.

[spurraider21]

"I'm talking about the OP"

thread title and OP itself are clear about it being trump's perceived political enemies

[TSA]

"I'm talking about the OP"

thread title and OP itself are clear about it being trump's perceived political enemies


Not against them, unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors.

So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.

RG when you referred to political opponents are you referring to Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Page etc?

[RandomGuy]

RG said political opponents, I still want to know who he is referring to.

https://cdn.hinative.com/attached_images/59159/4993b8868a5f363fddd8fca915d5931c46f3bf8c/large.jpg?1483520474

Read.
The.
Fucking.
Article.
You.
Nitwit.

[spurraider21]

Which political opponents are you talking about? There were none listed in your OP. Are we still discussing your OP? Yes or no.
:lol TSA going full DMSemantics

[TSA]

https://cdn.hinative.com/attached_images/59159/4993b8868a5f363fddd8fca915d5931c46f3bf8c/large.jpg?1483520474

Read.
The.
Fucking.
Article.
You.
Nitwit.

You used different language than the article, words matter. When I read political opponent I think of Bernie Sanders. RG when you referred to political opponents are you referring to Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Page etc?

[TSA]

:lol TSA going full DMSemantics

Asking if one is comfortable with an investigation into Bernie Sanders for no apparent wrong doing and if one is comfortable with an investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation is not even close to the same thing. Would you agree?

[Pavlov]

Asking if one is comfortable with an investigation into Bernie Sanders for no apparent wrong doing and if one is comfortable with an investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation is not even close to the same thing. Would you agree?Trump sees them all as political opponents/enemies.

So now what?

[RandomGuy]

Asking if one is comfortable with an investigation into Bernie Sanders for no apparent wrong doing and if one is comfortable with an investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation is not even close to the same thing. Would you agree?

It's worse. Far worse. Holy fuck, jackboot, think about it.

Do you think presidents should be able to intimidate investigators? yes or fucking no.

[Spurtacular]

Jesus, what a stupid semantic argument when the thread title is completely clear.

You're all about steering clear of semantics and sticking to subject content.

:lmao Psychopav Chump :lmao

[Pavlov]

You're all about steering clear of semantics and sticking to subject content.

:lmao Psychopav Chump :lmaoYou're all about grudgeposting.

:lmao butthurt derp can't stay on any topic unless he makes the topic another male poster.

Do you think the people Trump named are guilty of treason?

Yes or no.

[TSA]

It's worse. Far worse. Holy fuck, jackboot, think about it.

Do you think presidents should be able to intimidate investigators? yes or fucking no.

No.

And none of the people you still won’t mention who you claim were his political opponents are investigators either.

[spurraider21]

derp can't stay on any topic unless he makes the topic another male poster.
:lol

[Winehole23]

Presidents shouldn't initiate investigations, period.


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[Winehole23]

“"The Department of Labor wishes to note that the workers of Freedonia are demanding shorter hours" #Groucho: Very well,we'll start by cutting their lunch hour to 20 minutes. #DuckSoup 1933”

[TSA]

Presidents shouldn't initiate investigations, period.


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Trump investigation did Trump initiate?

[boutons_deux]

Trump investigation did Trump initiate?

... those that Barr says he will be doing

[TSA]

... those that Barr says he will be doing

Which are what? The investigations Trump said he would declassify documents for were already underway.

You begged for declassification of everything when the Mueller report was released and now you are terrified to see what started the entire report you want declassified. What changed?

[boutons_deux]

Which are what? The investigations Trump said he would declassify documents for were already underway.

You begged for declassification of everything when the Mueller report was released and now you are terrified to see what started the entire report you want declassified. What changed?

giving Barr total power to declassify was recent, unPresidented, and terrifying use of DoJ to go after Trash's "perceived" enemies.

Barr will cherry pick the classifications to justify the "coup attempt", spygate, treason, etc, and he will hide other classified material that would negate his cherry picking

[TSA]

giving Barr total power to declassify was recent, unPresidented, and terrifying use of DoJ to go after Trash's "perceived" enemies.

Barr will cherry pick the classifications to justify the "coup attempt", spygate, treason, etc, and he will hide other classified material that would negate his cherry picking

You never told me what investigations Trump initiated and the ones you are discussing were already happening.

Why are you so afraid of declassification after screaming for (and getting) declassification of the Mueller report?

[boutons_deux]

You never told me what investigations Trump initiated and the ones you are discussing were already happening.

Why are you so afraid of declassification after screaming for (and getting) declassification of the Mueller report?

"afraid of declassification" You Lie

Barr will declassify ONLY what supports Trash's claims, not the info that proves Trash is a lying, petty, paranoid piece of shit whom you defend.

[Spurtacular]

You're all about grudgeposting.

:lmao butthurt derp can't stay on any topic unless he makes the topic another male poster.



Chump writing homo erotica. Par.

[Pavlov]

Chump writing homo erotica. Par.derp only posting about male posters. Par.

Do you think the people Trump named are guilty of treason?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

derp only posting about male posters. Par.



The whole site is male posters, dip shit.

[Spurtacular]

:cry Trump :cry
:cry FBI treason :cry


You can't even say who the bad players in the FBI are. You don't need to worry about treason.

[Pavlov]

The whole site is male posters, dip shit.You only post about male posters.

Not the thread topics.

Not politics.

Not sports.

Nothing but male posters.

Do you think the people Trump named are guilty of treason?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

You can't even say who the bad players in the FBI are.OK, name them.

You keep talking about them.

Name them.

Make the post without referring to me or any other male poster.

[Spurtacular]

You only post about male posters.

Not the thread topics.

Not politics.

Not sports.

Nothing but male posters.



Rich narrative from a guy whose M.O. is voting present.

:rollin

[Spurtacular]

Name them.


That's what I've told you to do to show sincere interest. You're gonna do your standard tantrum instead.

[Pavlov]

Rich narrative from a guy whose M.O. is voting present.

:rollinYou're posting only about me again.

Name those bad players you're always talking about without referring to male posters here.

[Pavlov]

That's what I've told you to do to show interest. You're gonna do your standard tantrum instead.You're not naming them.

You're only posting about me, a male poster here.

You are extremely interested in male posters here.

Name those bad people without referring to male posters here or continue to only show interest in male posters.

[Spurtacular]

You're posting only about me again.


Says the guy who is voting present on naming the bad players at the FBI.

[TSA]

"afraid of declassification" You Lie

Barr will declassify ONLY what supports Trash's claims, not the info that proves Trash is a lying, petty, paranoid piece of shit whom you defend.

Barr gave you and the public 99.9% of the Mueller report that the public had no legal right to see and now you think he’s going to hide things? It’s going to be really amusing watching you trip over your dick trying to defend the same deep state you loathe.

[Pavlov]

Says the guy who is voting present on naming the bad players at the FBI.OK, name them.

Show us all who they are.

Quit posting about men here for one second.

[Pavlov]

Barr gave you and the public 99.9% of the Mueller report that the public had no legal right to see and now you think he’s going to hide things? It’s going to be really amusing watching you trip over your dick trying to defend the same deep state you loathe.Nothing's going to happen.

You won't bet money on it.

[ChumpHumper]

Says the guy who is voting present on naming the bad players at the FBI.

Name them.

You can't name them.

I'm a male poster.

Trump triggers me and you can't name them.

You cannot name them, right?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

Name them.

You can't name them.

I'm a male poster.

Trump triggers me and you can't name them.

You cannot name them, right?

Yes or no.:lol derp's white flag

[ChumpHumper]

It’s going to be really amusing watching you trip over your dick trying to defend the same deep state you loathe.

You are sexting male posters. You lose.

[Pavlov]

Says the guy who is voting present on naming the bad players at the FBI.You voted present on naming the bad players at the FBI.

[Pavlov]

You are sexting male posters. You lose.:lol I broke derp

Try another alt. That'll show me.

[ChumpHumper]

:lol derp's white flag

He can't name them. We shouldn't have to ante up for him to name them. This was an easy W all the time.

[Pavlov]

He can't name them. We shouldn't have to ante up for him to name them. This was an easy W all the time.Why did you run to this alt, derp?

[ChumpHumper]

You voted present on naming the bad players at the FBI.

And it doesn't matter that we voted present. He loses cos he can't name them.

[ChumpHumper]

Why did you run to this alt, derp?

More proof that he can't name them.

[Pavlov]

Are you just trying to spam and run out the clock before you go to sleep?

[Spurtacular]

You voted present on naming the bad players at the FBI.

How is this a W for you if you're voting present?

:lmao Psychopav Chump

[Pavlov]

How is this a W for you if you're voting present?There is nothing to win here, derp.

Ever.

Are you just trying for what you think are wins?

[Chucho]

There is nothing to win here, derp.

Ever.

Are you just trying for what you think are wins?

By his own words, his grudge posts are just paying you tribute.

[Spurtacular]

There is nothing to win here

Given your inadequacy as a poster, I can see how you'd have that take.

[Pavlov]

Given your inadequacy as a poster, I can see how you'd have that take.OK, what is here for you to win, derp?

[Spurtacular]

By his own words, his grudge posts are just paying you tribute.

Nope. Different posters have different motivations. I'm not the bitter little bitch you are, Crusty.

[Pavlov]

Nope. Different posters have different motivations. I'm not the bitter little bitch you are, Crusty.What are your motivations?

[Chucho]

Nope. Different posters have different motivations. I'm not the bitter little bitch you are, Crusty.

No need to lash out. No one's bitter. You're just cranky and upset everyone is laughing at you and shitting on you relentlessly and your pitiful coping mechs can't keep your false bravado up.

LOL derp, what's your motivation? Stalking men for 2+ years on a message board? Becoming the easiest walking target on SpursTalk? Both?

[Spurtacular]

No need to lash out. No one's bitter. You're just cranky and upset everyone is laughing at you and shitting on you relentlessly and your pitiful coping mechs can't keep your false bravado up.

LOL derp, what's your motivation? Stalking men for 2+ years on a message board? Becoming the easiest walking target on SpursTalk? Both?

:lol You always bitter, son.
:lol Crusty still clinging to his strength in numbers paradigm.

[Chucho]

:lol You always bitter, son.
:lol Crusty still clinging to his strength in numbers paradigm.

LOL, the irony of derp trying to sound smart with a synonym for narrative while spinning one. :lol

derp's the shithouse rat of ST, lunacy and all.

[Winehole23]

Trump investigation did Trump initiate?Your quasi grammatical informality stands out.

Is that imitative or spontaneous? Rehearsed in the mirror?

[RandomGuy]

Barr gave you and the public 99.9% of the Mueller report that the public had no legal right to see and now you think he’s going to hide things? It’s going to be really amusing watching you trip over your dick trying to defend the same deep state you loathe.

Mueller came out and said Barr's characterization was vastly inaccurate. Why do you think that is?

[boutons_deux]

"Barr gave you and the public 99.9% of the Mueller report"

:lol in 4 pages! 99.9% :lol

4 pages of lies by Repug famous coverup artist (Iran Contra)

[RandomGuy]

No.

And none of the people you still won’t mention who you claim were his political opponents are investigators either.

So, the head of the FBI isn't an investigator? Strok and Paige weren't? You really didn't read the OP yet stil, did you jackboot?

Isn't in charge of investigators that might be intimidated if their boss was fired for not interfering with their investigation?

So presidents shouldn't be allowed to interfere in investigations. Good. Now what do you do when a president does exactly that?


Efforts to fire Mueller

“Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”


. Efforts to curtail Mueller
Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference

“Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

[TSA]

Mueller came out and said Barr's characterization was vastly inaccurate. Why do you think that is?

No he didn’t you lying fuck :lol

[TSA]

So, the head of the FBI isn't an investigator? Strok and Paige weren't? You really didn't read the OP yet stil, did you jackboot?

Isn't in charge of investigators that might be intimidated if their boss was fired for not interfering with their investigation?

So presidents shouldn't be allowed to interfere in investigations. Good. Now what do you do when a president does exactly that?

None of them were investigators when the comments in your OP was made.

[RandomGuy]

None of them were investigators when the comments in your OP was made.

... and there is the quibble that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

Would a current investigator, charged into looking to the president, be intimidated if the president ordered the previous investigators to be themselves investigated?

You really suck at this critical thinking thing. It is fun to watch you struggle, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

So presidents shouldn't be allowed to interfere in investigations. Good. Now what do you do when a president does exactly that?


None of them were investigators when the comments in your OP was made.

Not really an answer, jackboot.

So presidents shouldn't be allowed to interfere in investigations. Good. Now what do you do when a president does exactly that?

[TSA]

... and there is the quibble that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

Would a current investigator, charged into looking to the president, be intimidated if the president ordered the previous investigators to be themselves investigated?

You really suck at this critical thinking thing. It is fun to watch you struggle, tbh.

:lol struggle

You're the one just making shit up and responding in multiple posts to my same quote.

If a current investigator was doing things by the book they'd have nothing to worry about. Your problem is you keep looking at the previous investigation as if it were based on legit information when it wasn't.