How To Rig The Census For Fun And Profit And White Supremacy

[RandomGuy]

People who were paying attention already knew that Trump's attempt to add a citizenship question to the Census was a racist attempt to rig future elections. Now we have written proof.

Court documents filed last Thursday showed definitively what most of us already knew: This plot was concocted to help rig future elections for, to quote the architect of the plan, "Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites."

Is you takin' notes on a criminal fuckin' conspiracy?

Here's how this all happened. This old white guy, Thomas Hofeller, came up with the idea to ask about citizenship status during next year's Census. Then he put together a study outlining how it could be used to hurt Democrats, help Republicans, and disenfranchise immigrant and non-white communities. He also came up with a bunch of arguments the Trump regime could use in court to defend the question. He passed all of this along to the assholes currently occupying the executive branch of our government, who moved to add the question to the Census. In Hofeller's words, adding a citizenship question to the Census "would be advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites," "would clearly be a disadvantage for the Democrats," and would "provoke a high degree of resistance from Democrats and the major minority groups in the nation." Hofeller was also helpful enough to provide an analysis of how Republicans could use the Census to decrease representation of racial minorities and increase representation of white, non-Hispanic Republicans.


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https://www.wonkette.com/racist-census-scheme-to-rig-elections

[boutons_deux]

I expect the oligarchy's 5 SCOTUS whores to approve the citizenship question.

Just another step in the oligarchy's coup d'etat

[Chris]

Bend over, I'll show you some fun and white supremacy.

[FrostKing]

?

How does the question hurt Democrats/help Republicans?

[boutons_deux]

Bend over, I'll show you some fun and white supremacy.

I figured you were a homo

[boutons_deux]

?

How does the question hurt Democrats/help Republicans?

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[RandomGuy]

?

How does the question hurt Democrats/help Republicans?

... asked the guy who didn't read the OP.

[FrostKing]

... asked the guy who didn't read the OP.
I read that short novel. No specifics provided.

[FrostKing]

goddamn, you're fucking stupid
So explain it copy paste master

[Winehole23]

Short story, a GOP gerrymandering consultant suggested the question as a way to improve the GOP's prospects after reapportionment, Sec'y Ross inserted the question and lied about why he did it in sworn testimony. Now Barr is circling the wagons to prevent any more damaging information from coming out.

Republicans will rue the precedent they're setting, supposing that Ross and Barr get away unscathed. Cabinet officers ignoring subpeonas and lying under oath until not too long ago, was considered impeachable at the very least.

[FrostKing]

But why is the question bad and especially favoring one political party?

[Winehole23]

But why is the question bad and especially favoring one political party?The question may or may not be bad per se, the point is more that Sec'y Ross lied under oath about it. For whatever reason he thought it better to peddle bullshit in court than admit the question was crafted to give the GOP an edge. The judge in the case opined that Ross broke "several" laws apart from the lying.

In normal times, this would be a career killer, in Trumplandia public exposure of official corruption merely signifies a day ending in "y".

Can you think of any reason why Ross preferred lying to telling the truth in this instance? If it were normatively acceptable to establish policy to favor the party in power, why didn't Ross just say so?

[Winehole23]

Bend over, I'll show you some fun and white supremacy.That's a troll post.

It's also more-than-vaguely homoerotic.

You do you.

[FrostKing]

The question may or may not be bad per se, the point is more that Sec'y Ross lied under oath about it. For whatever reason he thought it better to peddle bullshit in court than admit the question was crafted to give the GOP an edge. The judge in the case opined that Ross broke "several" laws apart from the lying.

In normal times, this would be a career killer, in Trumplandia public exposure of official corruption merely signifies a day ending in "y".

Can you think of any reason why Ross preferred lying to telling the truth in this instance? If it were normatively acceptable to establish policy to favor the party in power, why didn't Ross just say so?
Thank you for the explanation

[Winehole23]

Thank you for the explanationYou're welcome.


re

[CosmicCowboy]

Short story, a GOP gerrymandering consultant suggested the question as a way to improve the GOP's prospects after reapportionment, Sec'y Ross inserted the question and lied about why he did it in sworn testimony. Now Barr is circling the wagons to prevent any more damaging information from coming out.

Republicans will rue the precedent they're setting, supposing that Ross and Barr get away unscathed. Cabinet officers ignoring subpeonas and lying under oath until not too long ago, was considered impeachable at the very least.

It's a legitimate question. How does inserting the question on the census actually change anything? Be specific.

[CosmicCowboy]

Forget this "gerrymandering specialist" nobody ever heard of....how does the question change anything? Specifically, how could it be weaponized?

[boutons_deux]

Sec'y Ross inserted the question and lied about why he did it in sworn testimony.

He also did not follow procedures for doing it.

[Winehole23]

Forget this "gerrymandering specialist" nobody ever heard of....how does the question change anything? Specifically, how could it be weaponized?You don't see how discouraging people from being counted will affect reapportionment?

The US Census is a head count by design.

[Winehole23]

Asking people will depress the count in areas with a lot of immigrants, like Texas, NM, Arizona and California. The undercount may very well cause them to lose political representation in DC. The person who devised the question did it for this reason Sec'y Ross did too and lied about it in court.

That's not my opinion, court records establish it to a legal certainty.

[Winehole23]

He also did not follow procedures for doing it.This is what I referred to earlier when I said the judge thought he broke several (administrative) laws.

[Winehole23]

Article I, Section 2 "...whole number of free persons"

[Winehole23]

CosmicCowboy: why do you think the DOJ is stonewalling?

[CosmicCowboy]

You don't see how discouraging people from being counted will affect reapportionment?

The US Census is a head count by design.

How does the question keep people from being counted?

[Winehole23]

How does the question keep people from being counted?Participation in the US Census is voluntary. If you're suggesting you can't understand why immigrants of any legal status might be wary of participating in a census conducted by an administration that demonizes immigrants and has deliberately harsh policies wrt immigrants, you're either very naive or very dense.

[Winehole23]

Your turn, CosmicCowboy.

If this is a neutral and reasonable administrative measure why is the Trump Administration lying and stonewalling?

[RandomGuy]

But why is the question bad and especially favoring one political party?

The intended purpose of the question is solely to hurt an opposing political party. Which you might know if you had actually read the OP.

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

[Winehole23]

The intended purpose of the question is solely to hurt an opposing political party. Which you might know if you had actually read the OP.

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.FK makes a point that has been argued by the State of Texas in redistricting lawsuits: that doing redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative or at least, one that the judiciary shouldn't be able to second guess.

[boutons_deux]

FK makes a point that has been argued by the State of Texas in redistricting lawsuits: that doing redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative or at least, one that the judiciary shouldn't be able to second guess.

The surprise would be if SCOTUS5 whores block partisan gerrymandering

[Winehole23]

Dp

[boutons_deux]

redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative


which of course is "plausible sounding" BULLSHIT, since it violates one-person-one-vote by disenfranchising the-other-party voters sequestered into disadvantage by gerrymandering

[Winehole23]

which of course is "plausible sounding" BULLSHIT, since it violates one-person-one-vote by disenfranchising the-other-party voters sequestered into disadvantage by gerrymanderingif SCOTUS declines to get involved, the plausible sounding bullshit will be the custom. Hell, it already is.

[FrostKing]

If immigrants aren't willing to participate in a census, are they truly planning to integrate?

Are those immigrants America wants.

[Winehole23]

If immigrants aren't willing to participate in a census, are they truly planning to integrate?

Are those immigrants America wants.I doubt you'd cooperate with a government you believed would use the information against you personally.

Completely apart from that, it's normatively offensive (and possibly unconstitutional) for public policies to favor and disfavor groups according to political viewpoint.

[boutons_deux]

why do you racist, xenophobic rightwingnutjobs demand non-whites to integrate, assimilate, speak English?

What's you problem with Amish? not assimilated, not integrated, BUT they're white, right?

[FrostKing]

why do you racist, xenophobic rightwingnutjobs demand non-whites to integrate, assimilate, speak English?

What's you problem with Amish? not assimilated, not integrated, BUT their white, right?
Media isn't complaining bout the Amish being "under-counted".

Amish don't demand Amish literature at Universities

Amish don't parade for Amish rights

Amish don't riot because of "Amish mistreatment"


That is why

[FrostKing]

I doubt you'd cooperate with a government you believed would use the information against you personally.

Completely apart from that, it's normatively offensive (and possibly unconstitutional) for public policies to favor and disfavor groups according to political viewpoint.
The census isn't asking whether they are Democrats and/or if they voted Trump

Evidently these people want government representation without participation.

[Winehole23]

The census isn't asking whether they are Democrats and/or if they voted Trump

Evidently these people want government representation without participation.The US Constitution requires they be counted. It has always been this way -- amend the Constitution if you don't like it.

[FrostKing]

The US Constitution requires they be counted. It has always been this way -- amend the Constitution if you don't like it.
I want them to be counted. Let's find out the true breakdown of this nation.

[daboom1]

Winehole is correct. This administration is only interested in demonizing immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. It's ludicrous to suggest that they enforce the laws that are already on the books. Asking a legitimate question on the United States census is wholly detrimental to our Democracy and I'm disgusted by those who would suggest otherwise.

[Winehole23]

The US Census isn't part of immigration enforcement, not should it be. The suggestion that I -- or anyone else in this thread -- disagrees with regulating immigration per se, is pure strawmanning.

[Winehole23]

I want them to be counted. Let's find out the true breakdown of this nation.well, that's not going to happen if folks don't trust the US government not to use their census information against them.

[Chris]

Participation in the US Census is voluntary. If you're suggesting you can't understand why immigrants of any legal status might be wary of participating in a census

Asking people (The US Census) will depress the count in areas with a lot of immigrants (illegal), like Texas, NM, Arizona and California.

The US Census isn't part of immigration

pure strawmanning

[Pavlov]

:lol Qhris doesn't know what a straw man is.

[Winehole23]

He also doesn't seem to understand that the Census is a head count by design.

[Pavlov]

Also :lol @ CC once again supporting Trump.

[Winehole23]

Also :lol @ CC once again supporting Trump.also, ran away from the first question put to him.

[Chris]

demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.

[Pavlov]

demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.So why do you demonize immigrants, Qhris?

[Winehole23]

demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.Trump demonizes immigrants. So do you.

It also seems to have escaped you that the US Census is unrelated to law enforcement.

[tenbeersbold]

Shit ass liberals here want illegals to count for allocation of US govt funds..(IE TAXPAYERS)
That's the only reason they give a flying F about the census oh and GERRYMANDERING Congressional districts
Imagine that...a US citizen against his own interests...

How about skip all the immigration BS and all well meaning liberals find a poor immigrant family somewhere on Earth to send THEIR money to
Im sure some snowflake can design an app for that and save the rest of us from paying

[Pavlov]

Shit ass liberals here want illegals to count for allocation of US govt funds..
That's the only reason they give a flying F about the census oh and GERRYMANDERING Congressional districts
Imagine that...a US citizen against his own interests...

How about skip all the immigration BS and all well meaning liberals find a poor immigrant family somewhere on Earth to send THEIR money to
Im sure some snowflake can design an app for that and save the rest of us from payingYou're free to change the Constitution if the current census clauses trigger you so badly.

[tenbeersbold]

You're free to change the Constitution if the current census clauses trigger you so badly.

OK junior,the citizenship question has been used in various US Census forms before..
Which you'd know if you weren't a complete dumbass

NO,You're free to educate yourself if reading wasn't beyond your 3rd grade comprehension

[Chris]

Trump demonizes immigrants. So do you.

That's your opinion. I'm allowed to call it ludicrous. You love identity politics. You love smearing.


It also seems to have escaped you that the US Census is unrelated to law enforcement.

Never said otherwise. This is your strawman.

[Pavlov]

OK junior,the citizenship question has been used in various US Census forms before..
Which you'd know if you weren't a complete dumbass

NO,You're free to educate yourself if reading wasn't beyond your 3rd grade comprehensionActually it wasn't asked of every single person filling out the census form ever.

Sorry. Get to changing det Constitution. Nothing is stopping you.

[tenbeersbold]

LMFAO,dumbass liberal is dumbass liberal...
The Constitution is deliberately vague on that...

Which of course you'd know unless you were just
Reading Google and aren't a US citizen.

OR are you for that NON US CITIZENS/TAX PAYERS should have any say or right to US taxpayers money or any sort of political representation???
An honest answer at least..
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS!

[baseline bum]

LMFAO,dumbass liberal is dumbass liberal...
The Constitution is deliberately vague on that...

Which of course you'd know unless you were just
Reading Google and aren't a US citizen.

OR are you for that NON US CITIZENS/TAX PAYERS should have any say or right to US taxpayers money or any sort of political representation???
An honest answer at least..
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS!

Bottom line is constitution bad now?

[baseline bum]

How about 3/5 compromise?

[FrostKing]

Constitution prohibits what?

[Pavlov]

LMFAO,dumbass liberal is dumbass liberal...
The Constitution is deliberately vague on that...

Which of course you'd know unless you were just
Reading Google and aren't a US citizen.

OR are you for that NON US CITIZENS/TAX PAYERS should have any say or right to US taxpayers money or any sort of political representation???
An honest answer at least..
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS!Noncitizens have always had proportionate political representation.

It's explicitly stated in the Constitution.

Nothing vague about it.

[Pavlov]

Constitution prohibits what?This is the first time anyone has used the word "prohibit" in this thread.

Thanks for the straw man.

[FrostKing]

This is the first time anyone has used the word "prohibit" in this thread.

Thanks for the straw man.
How does constitution relate to this census question

[Winehole23]

That's your opinion. I'm allowed to call it ludicrous.No one is depriving you of your chance to say anything you want, no matter how silly it makes you look. Have at.


You love identity politics. Actually, you are way more into identity politics than me, to judge by pattern of posting. I'm more of a general current events guy on this board, but you seem to specialize in idpol grievance.


Never said otherwise. This is your strawman.Saying that DJT doesn't demonize immigrants is factually incorrect.

[Chris]

No one is depriving you of your cjance to say anything you want, no matter how silly it makes you look. Have at.

Actually, you are way more into identity politics than me, to judge by pattern of posting. I'm more of a general current events guy on this board, but you seem to specialize in idpol grievance.



Never said otherwise. This is your strawman.

What is this mess of a post?

[Winehole23]

Looks fine to me.

[Pavlov]

How does constitution relate to this census questionI'd flip that question around tbh.

[tenbeersbold]

Noncitizens have always had proportionate political representation.

It's explicitly stated in the Constitution.

Nothing vague about it.

BULL FUCKING SHIT idiot

Citizens and only citizens have the absolute right to be physically present in the USA

Anyone else can fuck off

[Chris]

Looks fine to me.

Got that edit in just in time :tu


Saying that DJT doesn't demonize immigrants is factually incorrect.

Sorry, this is still an opinion no matter how many times you say it.

[Chris]

BULL FUCKING SHIT idiot

Citizens and only citizens have the absolute right to be physically present in the USA

Anyone else can fuck off

We the People included non-citizens according to Pavlov.

[Pavlov]

BULL FUCKING SHIT idiot

Citizens and only citizens have the absolute right to be physically present in the USA

Anyone else can fuck off:lol that's not what the census is, snowflake.

[tenbeersbold]

How about 3/5 compromise?

I'll take the bait and raise you a hundred years of relevancy How about black violent crime rates????
Riddle me this ...what major US city has an all white area where black people are assaulted /robbed on a regular basis...hmmmm

[Pavlov]

We the People included non-citizens according to Pavlov.The census has always included noncitizens.

We the People made it that way.

Sorry.

[Winehole23]

BULL FUCKING SHIT idiot

Citizens and only citizens have the absolute right to be physically present in the USA

Anyone else can fuck offas a matter of law, you're 100% wrong about that. it's still 100% legal to apply for asylum in the USA, regardless of the manner of entry.

[Pavlov]

I'll take the bait and raise you a hundred years of relevancy How about black violent crime rates????
Riddle me this ...what major US city has an all white area where black people are assaulted /robbed on a regular basis...hmmmmAh, never pass up a chance to be racist:tu

[FrostKing]

If questions pertaining to citizenship are inappropriate then why bother asking questions pertaining to humans at all

[Winehole23]

False dilemma, FK.

Weak!

[tenbeersbold]

:lol that's not what the census is, snowflake.

LMFAO...The Census questions can be amended whenever by whoever is in power,there are no rules per se..
But enough of your pedantic logic

Are you for non US citizens having voting rights???

I don't expect an answer because you won't give one

[Winehole23]

Non-citizens can't vote; seems like a reasonable restriction to me.

[Pavlov]

LMFAO...The Census questions can be amended whenever by whoever is in power,there are no rules per se..
But enough of your pedantic logic

Are you for non US citizens having voting rights???

I don't expect an answer because you won't give oneThey shouldn't have those rights in federal elections. More local jurisdictions could be a different story since the Constitution says nothing about those.

[tenbeersbold]

Ah, never pass up a chance to be racist:tu

Ahh the sign of a true SNOWFLAKE
Wahhh,Facts aren't real

[Pavlov]

Non-citizens can't vote; seems like a reasonable restriction to me.:lolThese racists are all over the map today.

[Pavlov]

Ahh the sign of a true SNOWFLAKE
Wahhh,Facts aren't realYour racism is real, snowflake.

[Winehole23]

Tenbeers melting down...

[tenbeersbold]

They shouldn't have those rights in federal elections. More local jurisdictions could be a different story since the Constitution says nothing about those.

AND THERE WE HAVE IT.

TA FUCKING DAH..

For your laughably illogical political convictions you sell out your OWN COUNTRY

You are not worthy of any further response from me and should gladly renounce your citizenship and relocate to someplace more fitting to you

[tenbeersbold]

Your racism is real, snowflake.

YOUR TREASON IS REAL..TRAITOR

[Pavlov]

AND THERE WE HAVE IT.

TA FUCKING DAH..

For your laughably illogical political convictions you sell out your OWN COUNTRYI just said what the law is.

If you don't like the laws, you can change them.

That's what this country is all about.

[baseline bum]

Tenbeers melting down...

He's been a melting snowflake every post he's ever made here tbh

[Pavlov]

YOUR TREASON IS REAL..TRAITOROh?

What is your legal case for treason regarding my posts here?

[tenbeersbold]

as a matter of law, you're 100% wrong about that. it's still 100% legal to apply for asylum in the USA, regardless of the manner of entry.
Umm no I'm not...and if you think so ask some asylum seekers...
You can apply for asylum but you have no right to be in the USA,it can be revoked withdrawn at any time during the process

[Winehole23]

Fair enough, TBB

[tenbeersbold]

He's been a melting snowflake every post he's ever made here tbh

LMFAO,snowflake comments from the weakest humans here

[tenbeersbold]

Fair enough, TBB
Fair enough I guess being the law and all TBB

[Pavlov]

LMFAO,snowflake comments from the weakest humans hereYeah, you seem really tough and strong tbh.

[tenbeersbold]

TRAITOR

[Pavlov]

TRAITOR


Oh?

What is your legal case for treason regarding my posts here?

[tenbeersbold]

You are for non US citizens having voting rights
Therefore TRAITOR

[baseline bum]

LMFAO,snowflake comments from the weakest humans here

But I'll raise you what about right wing terrorism?

[Pavlov]

You are for non US citizens having voting rights
Therefore TRAITORHow does describing the current state of law meet the legal requirements for a charge of treason?

Explain yourself.

[DarrinS]

Non-citizens can't vote; seems like a reasonable restriction to me.

But they affect electoral votes, no?

[Winehole23]

But they affect electoral votes, no?Yes, per Article I, Section 2 of the US Constitution. The founders were quite aware of what those words meant.

[Pavlov]

But they affect electoral votes, no?


Yes, per Article I, Section 2 of the US Constitution. The founders were quite aware of what those words meant.Right? All the sudden it's a yuge problem?

[Winehole23]

US Reps represent all the people in their districts, not just voters.

[Pavlov]

ONLY COUNT PEOPLE WITH A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE

[boutons_deux]

Will Trump's Supreme Court ignore evidence the census is being rigged for racist reasons? Probably (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/4/1862594/-Will-Trump-s-Supreme-Court-ignore-evidence-the-census-is-being-rigged-for-racist-reasons-Probably)

We know now that the Trump administration’s move to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census was done for explicitly partisan vote-rigging reasons (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/06/that-bombshell-evidence-in-the-census-case-the-supreme-court-might-ignore-it/).

But the Supreme Court may—in fact, probably will—ignore that new information in its decision on the issue later this month.

there’s a partisan Republican majority on the Trump court, and it wants to rule in favor of a move that is “advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites.”

the opinion is already being written after the justices voted on the matter after April’s oral arguments,

and that the new information hasn’t been thoroughly vetted and considered by the courts and included as part of the legal record.

the Trump administration settled on a citizenship question for partisan and racist reasons.

But this Supreme Court won’t want to admit to that,

because it’s awfully inconvenient for the partisan leanings of the majority of justices.

So don’t be surprised when they fall back on the procedural reasons to just ignore reality in making their decision.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1862594

And America will more fucked and unfuckable into AmeriKKKa

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration to face claim of deceit over U.S. Census question

to defend itself against claims that its proposed addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 U.S. Census was secretly orchestrated by a political operative seeking to boost Republicans’ voting power.

the administration hid this fact during the course of their lawsuit and asked Furman to sanction the government.

According to the plaintiffs, Hofeller concluded in a 2015 study that asking census respondents whether they were U.S. citizens “would clearly be a disadvantage to the Democrats” and “advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites” in redistricting.

They said that Hofeller went on to ghostwrite a draft letter from the Department of Justice to the Department of Commerce, asking for the addition of a citizenship question.

Opponents have said such a question would cause a sizeable undercount by deterring immigrant households and Latinos from filling out the forms, out of fear the information would be shared with law enforcement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-census/trump-administration-to-face-claim-of-deceit-over-u-s-census-question-idUSKCN1T611U?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-census/trump-administration-to-face-claim-of-deceit-over-u-s-census-question-idUSKCN1T611U?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)

[boutons_deux]

GOP paid millions to operative who pushed census question aimed to help "whites"

Thomas Hofeller, who devised and strategized the census citizenship question, was on the Republican Party payroll

The gerrymandering expert who was revealed to be behind the push to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census — on the premise that it would help Republicans and “non-Hispanic whites” — was paid millions by the Republican National Committee until his death last year.

After Thomas Hofeller passed away last summer, his daughter discovered files (https://www.salon.com/2019/05/31/gop-operative-pushed-census-question-on-trump-it-would-help-whites-hurt-democrats/) on his hard drive revealing that he authored a study showing that a census citizenship question would help Republican gerrymandering.

He pushed the Trump administration to add the question to the 2020 census.

After Hofeller's previously unreported role in the census issue was revealed, Mother Jones (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/06/gop-paid-millions-to-gerrymandering-expert-behind-census-citizenship-question/) found Federal Election Commission filings showing that

the Republican Party had paid him more than $2 million for his work.

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/07/gop-paid-millions-to-operative-who-pushed-census-question-aimed-to-help-whites/

Repugs knews they were paying for a tactic that would have devastating effect on the non-white people.

[boutons_deux]

Where a citizenship question could cause the census to miss millions of Hispanics — and why that’s a big deal


The question is already being asked each year of a small fraction of the nation’s population in the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.

In the latest ACS, in 2017, the citizenship question went unanswered by about 1 in 12 Hispanics, a far higher rate than that of whites.

Where these non-responses occurred can tell us where millions of Hispanics would probably be missed if the same question were added to the 2020 Census.

Hispanics with no citizenship answer on the 2017 American Community Survey


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/2019-CitizenshipQ/CitizenTED-980.jpg?v=19


Hispanics from Mexico and Central America, areas targeted by the Trump administration’s immigration policies, were most likely to skip the citizenship question, so their neighborhoods would be most affected by the undercount.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/06/where-citizenship-question-could-cause-census-miss-millions-hispanics-why-thats-big-deal/?utm_term=.d85c1615757c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/06/where-citizenship-question-could-cause-census-miss-millions-hispanics-why-thats-big-deal/?utm_term=.d85c1615757c&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[FrostKing]

There are issues and topics I as a life long Liberal cross over on

I fully support a citizenship question. Maybe it is my personal experience (as an immigrant) from a foreign nation. Avoiding this question is irresponsible governing.

[boutons_deux]

There are issues and topics I as a life long Liberal cross over on

I fully support a citizenship question. Maybe it is my personal experience (as an immigrant) from a foreign nation. Avoiding this question is irresponsible governing.

read the Constitution, you racist pig

[FrostKing]

read the Constitution, you racist pig
Which part?

[boutons_deux]

THE WHITE HOUSE REALLY DIDN’T WANT KRIS KOBACH TO TESTIFY ABOUT THE CENSUS

the White House “interfered directly and aggressively with the Committee’s interview,”

instructing Kobach not to answer any questions

about his communications with President Donald Trump and White House aides about the census.

The White House’s attempts to block Kobach’s testimony marks an escalation of the administration’s wide-ranging stonewalling of all House investigations concerning Trump. Yet the administration’s actions beg the question:

what doesn’t it want Democrats to see?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/white-house-kris-kobach-testify-census?mbid=nl_th_5cfd909d28d8ad228c470a81&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_61019&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_61019&utm_term=VYF_Hive&verso=true (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/white-house-kris-kobach-testify-census?mbid=nl_th_5cfd909d28d8ad228c470a81&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_61019&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_61019&utm_term=VYF_Hive&verso=true)

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Bill Barr’s brazen new dodge: He hopes to blackmail Congress over census info

Barr responded to Tuesday’s vote by again threatening to withhold documents requested by Congress — but in a totally unrelated case.

The House Oversight Committee is scheduled to vote Wednesday to hold Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt of Congress for refusing to provide documents related to the 2020 census in response to congressional subpoenas.

In a blatant attempt to stop this oversight effort, the Justice Department on Tuesday

threatened to withhold the documents on its efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census, by fair means or foul,

unless House Democrats abandon their vote to hold Barr and Ross in contempt.

the DOJ’s claim of privilege appears to depend on Cummings’ behavior, not on objective questions of law or fact.

Barr intends to seek a privilege assertion not just for the DOJ documents, but also for Commerce Department documents covered by the committee’s subpoena.

“They produced none of the documents we asked for, they made no counter-offers regarding these documents, and they seem determined to continue the Trump administration’s cover-up,” Cummings added.

Barr’s DOJ is no longer even pretending to be an independent, non-political department; still less pretending to respect Congress’ role as a co-equal branch of government with an oversight role.

His argument against oversight essentially amounts to: “If the House continues to ponder holding me in contempt, I will continue to obstruct justice and perform more contemptuous acts.”

The Supreme Court’s unanimous decision in the 1974 U.S. v. Nixon case — which led directly to a president’s resignation — supposedly settled this issue.

Assertions of executive privilege beyond the scope of that decision would seem to be

blatant obstruction of justice.

That’s exactly where we are.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/bill-barrs-brazen-new-dodge-he-hopes-to-blackmail-congress-over-census-info/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

So we see Repugs' rolling out their strategy of the unConstitutional "unitary executive" aka dictator, beyond the reach of Congressional oversight. The President to be unimpeded by Congress. My guess is the oligarchy's SCOTUS whores would approve.

[RandomGuy]

LMFAO,snowflake comments from the weakest humans here

Ah, the "i'm rubber and you're glue" defense. Well played, kid. (slow clap)

[RandomGuy]

There are issues and topics I as a life long Liberal cross over on

I fully support a citizenship question. Maybe it is my personal experience (as an immigrant) from a foreign nation. Avoiding this question is irresponsible governing.

The people who designed the question did so with the reasoning that it's purpose was not to get information but to simply favor one political party over another. The lie that it would help gather some sort of important data that we couldn't get otherwise is just that, a lie to cover the real motive of hurting one political party to help another.

Do you think we would do things in government based on lies?

[Winehole23]

Executive privilege claimed for subpoenaed docs.

Covering up an attempt to bake in an electoral advantage for the GOP for the next ten years by gaming the census, sounds legit.

[Winehole23]

The Commerce Sec'y and the WH came up with a plan to better enforce the Voting Rights Act, but it's super SEKRIT.

No peeks.

[tenbeersbold]

Ah, the "i'm rubber and you're glue" defense. Well played, kid. (slow clap)

Necro diggin a thread again ehh spazzboy????

[Winehole23]

DOJ rank and file withdraw from the push to add the citizenship question.

Why can't Barr get his own subordinates to carry water for him?

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[Winehole23]

Trump/Barr defying circuit court orders and SCOTUS should, in any sane iteration of the USA, be impeachable in and of itself.

[Winehole23]

Naturally, nothing of the sort will happen.

[Winehole23]

To me this is a much bigger deal than campaign finance violations or accepting help from foreigners to win.

If POTUS can ignore the courts we no longer have a republic, simple as that.

[FrostKing]

How is this no brainer census question still up for debate

Lol @ backwards USA

[Winehole23]

How is this no brainer census question still up for debate

Lol @ backwards USARacial animus. Even SCOTUS didn't believe Trump's lies about it.

The President can't just ignore legal rulings he doesn't like in our system.

[FrostKing]

Racial animus. Even SCOTUS didn't believe Trump's lies about it.

The President can't just ignore legal rulings he doesn't like in our system.
Why wouldn't you want your census to be accurate?

If their illegal they shouldn't be here. LOL!

[Winehole23]

Why wouldn't you want your census to be accurate?

If their illegal they shouldn't be here. LOL!Check the top of the page.

The US Constitution requires a head count of free persons. If the the constitutional convention wanted to restrict the US Census to citizens only, it would have said so. US Reps represent ALL the people in their respective districts, by design.


Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned (https://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#APPORTIONMENT) among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec2.html

[Winehole23]

FrostKing is totally ignorant of US law and custom, as usual.

[Winehole23]

How is this no brainer census question still up for debate

Lol @ backwards USAAnswer me this: why are DOJ lawyers withdrawing en masse from Trump's new bid to circumvent the courts?

[Winehole23]

I'm sure the Consumer Protection Bureau lawyers are very good, but this is shenanigans. Even if the DOJ lawyers successfully withdraw -- not a given, btw -- they are still bound to correct the record if the new lawyers make false or misleading representations to the court.

[Pavlov]

FrostKing is totally ignorant of US law and custom, as usual.lol Poland

[Winehole23]

lol PolandEh, I'm favorably disposed toward Poles. I certainly don't blame that for FK's head being approximately as large and as wise as a cabbage.

[boutons_deux]

...

[Winehole23]

Motion to Withdraw denied for all but two atty's. The rest must write affidavits with satisfactory reasons.

Pick one: piss off the judge or your boss.

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[Spurtacular]

Participation in the US Census is voluntary.

Wrong.

[Winehole23]

Wrong.You're right. There's a fine for not participating, not that that will necessarily prevent you from being counted.

[Winehole23]

Do you have a topical take, or a take on the ongoing conversation, or do you just gnaw on other posters ankles?

[Winehole23]

If Obama had added a question to the 2010 census asking whether you owned a firearm, how do you think that would have gone over?

[FrostKing]

If Obama had added a question to the 2010 census asking whether you owned a firearm, how do you think that would have gone over?
I would support it

[Winehole23]

I would support itBoard conservatives would still be screaming.

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If POTUS can ignore the courts we no longer have a republic, simple as that.

If Dems don't impeach, Trash's example will encourage future assholes to push the boundaries even further.

Pelosi/Nadler are making a huge strategic error

Larry Tribe already showed how House Dems can impeach and vote Trash guilty (he wouldn't be removed), w/o bothering to pass impeachment to McConnell who already said FUCK YOU to Dem impeachment.

[benefactor]

Looks like King Trump is going with the attempted decree to get the question on today

[boutons_deux]

It was not so long ago that Repugs / rightwing hate media chorus were objecting to the census as govt oppression, overreach, and influencers said they would answer "present" to be counted but not any other census question or checkbox.

[Winehole23]

Looks like King Trump is going with the attempted decree to get the question on todayWin or lose, Barr and Trump deserve to be impeached and removed for this.

They won't be.

[Winehole23]

The US Census falls unambiguously under Article I power. POTUS lacks the authority to do what he's trying to do, and he's doing it in the face of adverse legal rulings.

The Trump Census decree, if he does in fact issue one, will be lawless and unconstitutional on its face.

[boutons_deux]

The US Census falls unambiguously under Article I power. POTUS lacks the authority to do what he's trying to do, and he's doing it in the face of adverse legal rulings.

The Trump Census decree, if he does in fact issue one, will be lawless and unconstitutional on its face.

Who has "standing" to challenge Trash's lawless decree? and will they do it?

it's like he emoluments ruling he won because the plaintiffs didn't have standing.

[Winehole23]

That's a good question.

[spurraider21]

That's a good question.
the states would have standing


The District Court concluded that the evidence at trial established a sufficient likelihood that the reinstatement of a citizenship question would result in noncitizen households responding to the census at lower rates than other groups, which in turn would cause them to be undercounted and lead to many of respondents’ asserted injuries. For purposes of standing, these findings of fact were not so suspect as to be clearly erroneous.

We therefore agree that at least some respondents have Article III standing. Several state respondents here have shown that if noncitizen households are undercounted by as little as 2%—lower than the District Court’s 5.8% prediction—they will lose out on federal funds that are distributed on the basis of state population. That is a sufficiently concrete and imminent injury to satisfy Article III, and there is no dispute that a ruling in favor of respondents would redress that harm.

The Government contends, however, that any harm to respondents is not fairly traceable to the Secretary’s decision, because such harm depends on the independent action of third parties choosing to violate their legal duty to respond to the census. The chain of causation is made even more tenuous, the Government argues, by the fact that such intervening, unlawful third-party action would be motivated by unfounded fears that the Federal Government will itself break the law by using noncitizens’ answers against them for law enforcement purposes. TheGovernment invokes our steady refusal to “endorse standing theories that rest on speculation about the decisions of independent actors,” Clapper v. Amnesty Int’l USA, 568U. S. 398, 414 (2013), particularly speculation about future unlawful conduct, Los Angeles v. Lyons, 461 U. S.95, 105 (1983).

But we are satisfied that, in these circumstances, respondents have met their burden of showing that third parties will likely react in predictable ways to the citizenship question, even if they do so unlawfully and despitethe requirement that the Government keep individual answers confidential. The evidence at trial established that noncitizen households have historically responded to the census at lower rates than other groups, and the District Court did not clearly err in crediting the CensusBureau’s theory that the discrepancy is likely attributable at least in part to noncitizens’ reluctance to answer acitizenship question. Respondents’ theory of standing

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf

[koriwhat]

If Obama had added a question to the 2010 census asking whether you owned a firearm, how do you think that would have gone over?

conflating issues once again... bad to ask if you're a citizen but good to ask if you have guns? is there not a registry for gun ownership already that the gov't can look up? lol

lmao at the idea of asking if you're a citizen of this country somehow is wrong to do. all you that have issues with it should just pack up and go make venezuela great again.

[Pavlov]

conflating issues once again... bad to ask if you're a citizen but good to ask if you have guns? is there not a registry for gun ownership already that the gov't can look up? lolYou should actually explore that issue yourself.

[koriwhat]

trolls will be trolls...

[Pavlov]

trolls will be trolls...No, it's actually really interesting and might surprise you.

I'm not going to just answer you because you don't really care after all and just want to be angry at teh Dems.

If you want to know you're going to have to be a big boy and look it up yourself.

[koriwhat]

don't give a fuck about anything you have to say you fucking troll. fuck off bitch!

[Pavlov]

don't give a fuck about anything you have to say you fucking troll. fuck off bitch!That's why I didn't post an answer for your ignorant ass.

You love being bitter and stupid. I'm not going to stop you.

[koriwhat]

nah dude, i fucking don't like you you bitchass pos. how is that so hard to understand? how are you such a bitch day to day to think that after someone has told you what i have on numerous occasions that all of a sudden that person wants to chit chat with you? go play in traffic you fucking retard!

[Pavlov]

nah dude, i fucking don't like you you bitchass pos. how is that so hard to understand? how are you such a bitch day to day to think that after someone has told you what i have on numerous occasions that all of a sudden that person wants to chit chat with you? go play in traffic you fucking retard!And yet, here your pathetic weak ass is, chatting up a storm.

Just shut the fuck up if you don't want to discuss anything on a discussion board.

You have no self control. You're weak.

[koriwhat]

it's not about not discussing anything on a messageboard as much as it's about not discussing anything with your bitchass.

you're like a stalking ex... wtf is wrong with you? no man acts like you do and that's why i call you a sissy, a bitch, a pos, a loser, a spineless hack, etc... you are truly pavTHETIC!

[Pavlov]

it's not about not discussing anything on a messageboard as much as it's about not discussing anything with your bitchass.

you're like a stalking ex... wtf is wrong with you? no man acts like you do and that's why i call you a sissy, a bitch, a pos, a loser, a spineless hack, etc... you are truly pavTHETIC!You're the one talking to me when you don't want to talk to me.

Just shut the fuck up.

Be a man.

[koriwhat]

dude, you were on your best behavior for like a week and didn't bug me once. all of a sudden today you decide to blow me up and act like i'm the one putting you out. just fuck off. how is that such a hard concept to grasp? i don't fucking like you one bit but you keep on keeping on for whatever bitchass reason you've made up in your retarded head. i wish dudes like you would get your asses kicked daily because god knows you need a reality check for once.

[koriwhat]

btw, way to ruin every thread you fucking pussy!

[Pavlov]

dude, you were on your best behavior for like a week and didn't bug me once. all of a sudden today you decide to blow me up and act like i'm the one putting you out. just fuck off. how is that such a hard concept to grasp? i don't fucking like you one bit but you keep on keeping on for whatever bitchass reason you've made up in your retarded head. i wish dudes like you would get your asses kicked daily because god knows you need a reality check for once.Just shut the fuck up.

Don't reply to me.

Don't read my posts.

Be a man.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Don't blame others.

[koriwhat]

seriously, eat a fucking bullet already and do us all a favor.

[Pavlov]

seriously, eat a fucking bullet already and do us all a favor.Quit projecting your weakness on others.

You have work to do.

[Winehole23]

the states would have standing



https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdfThanks.

Losing out on federal funds would be a plausible injury.

[spurraider21]

Thanks.

Losing out on federal funds would be a plausible injury.
Yep. The legal argument to prevail on the merits would be different (invalidating the executive order), but standing would be the same regardless, as the damages are the same.

[Winehole23]

Yep. The legal argument to prevail on the merits would be different (invalidating the executive order), but standing would be the same regardless, as the damages are the same.Moot anyway, since Trump caved on the Q and reverted to Commerce's original advice -- to request information from other agencies.

The phrase that set my hair on edge yesterday was "draw districts based on voter eligible population." It's a radical idea that would deny millions of US citizens representation. It would also make political power, older, whiter and more rural.

[Winehole23]

ONLY COUNT PEOPLE WITH A VALID DRIVERS LICENSETrump's pivot is even more radical than that.

Drawing districts by voter eligible population wouldn't count anyone under 18 or in a prison. It would also skew power even more to the countryside, as immigrants -- legal and otherwise -- tend to congregate in cities.

[Winehole23]

relevant SCOTUS case:


While virtually every argument used by the Ginsburg opinion in favor of basing representation on total population (because elected officials supposedly represent everybody and not just the voters) points toward a constitutional mandate, it turns out that the states actually are not bound by the Constitution to craft new election districts by starting with total population. The only thing settled constitutionally now is that the states also are not required to divide up districts by using the voting population to be assigned to each, making them equal. Should a state do it that way, the opinion seems to say, the Court will then face that issue.https://www.scotusblog.com/2016/04/opinion-analysis-leaving-a-constitutional-ideal-still-undefined/

https://casetext.com/case/evenwel-v-abbott-1

[Winehole23]

Apparently the WH released the EO on the census question to reporters before it backed up.

There's nothing in there about "better enforcing the Voting Rights Act," underscoring the fact that Trump had his lawyers lie to the Supreme Court.

What's worse is that four Justices didn't mind that he did.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6189423-Executive-Order.html

[FrostKing]

So USA has no idea how many citizens reside within its own borders?

Come on this is no longer a colony, get your house in order.

[koriwhat]

Moot anyway, since Trump caved on the Q and reverted to Commerce's original advice -- to request information from other agencies.

The phrase that set my hair on edge yesterday was "draw districts based on voter eligible population." It's a radical idea that would deny millions of US citizens representation. It would also make political power, older, whiter and more rural.

all i'm reading is, "i want more illegals no matter how much the usa is becoming a 3rd world country. as well, i want more liberal reps to destroy this country."

i don't see the big deal in asking citizens if they're citizens. bye bye illegals!

[koriwhat]

So USA has no idea how many citizens reside within its own borders?

Come on this is no longer a colony, get your house in order.

:tu

[Winehole23]

So USA has no idea how many citizens reside within its own borders?

Come on this is no longer a colony, get your house in order.what makes you think so?

we do a head count every 10 years, we have a pretty good idea..

[Winehole23]

all i'm reading is, "i want more illegals no matter how much the usa is becoming a 3rd world country. as well, i want more liberal reps to destroy this country."

i don't see the big deal in asking citizens if they're citizens. bye bye illegals!If that's what you see, you don't read very well.

[RandomGuy]

Moot anyway, since Trump caved on the Q and reverted to Commerce's original advice -- to request information from other agencies.

The phrase that set my hair on edge yesterday was "draw districts based on voter eligible population." It's a radical idea that would deny millions of US citizens representation. It would also make political power, older, whiter and more rural.

Which the court found to be the case. They lost their ass on this one. It was fun to watch.

[Winehole23]

The citizenship Q on the 2020 Census is officially dead.

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[Pavlov]

The citizenship Q on the 2020 Census is officially dead.

1151211754342498300Half the reason he's dog whistling something else.

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The citizenship Q on the 2020 Census is officially dead.

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Repugs states will try to block everybody from being counted except registered, and recently active voters, violating the Constitution they love/hate/ignore.

[Ragin Cajun]

Democrats belong to the party of illegal immigration. Everyone knows why. It increases their voter base.

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Democrats belong to the party of illegal immigration. Everyone knows why. It increases their voter base.

Where's your evidence that illegals, non-citizens vote?

or G F Y

[Ragin Cajun]

Where's your evidence that illegals, non-citizens vote?

or G F Y

https://sfelections.sfgov.org/non-citizen-registration-and-voting

[Ragin Cajun]

Now G F Y

[koriwhat]

Now G F Y

funny how the loons want to act like their shit party of loony libs aren't nefarious in their tally of votes.

[Pavlov]

https://sfelections.sfgov.org/non-citizen-registration-and-voting:lol that's legal for local elections.

You're trying to say they vote in federal elections.

Where is your evidence for that?

[Ragin Cajun]

:lol that's legal for local elections.

You're trying to say they vote in federal elections.

Where is your evidence for that?

Where did I say that?

[Pavlov]

Where did I say that?Oh, so they aren't part of the Democratic Congressional voter base at all.:tu

[spurraider21]

https://sfelections.sfgov.org/non-citizen-registration-and-voting
:lmao school board election

[Ragin Cajun]

Oh, so they aren't part of the Democratic Congressional voter base at all.:tu

I didn't say that either.

[Pavlov]

I didn't say that either.So what did you actually mean?

Step up.

[Ragin Cajun]

So what did you actually mean?

Step up.

I meant what I wrote. Can you read?

[boutons_deux]

Now G F Y

states determine who can and can't vote

how many illegals put themselves into the system so the can vote? probably very few.

[FrostKing]

Allowing non-citizens to vote is more extreme and backwards than anything currently in the Conservative playbook

[koriwhat]

Allowing non-citizens to vote is more extreme and backwards than anything currently in the Conservative playbook

:tu on the local, state, or federal level! it's insanity.

[Pavlov]

I meant what I wrote. Can you read?How does illegal immigration expand any voter base?

[Winehole23]

Waco, Tx: 2020 US Census Test included the citizenship question because, of course it did.

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/waco-resident-gets-census-test-with-citizenship-question-despite-supreme/article_59b42ad1-d728-5e0d-927a-a9106ec704c4.html

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52 U.S. Code § 10101.Voting rights
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/10101 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/10101)

[Winehole23]

Racial gerrymandering and voter suppression are unhinged conspiracy theories:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering

[koriwhat]

Waco, Tx: 2020 US Census Test included the citizenship question because, of course it did.

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/waco-resident-gets-census-test-with-citizenship-question-despite-supreme/article_59b42ad1-d728-5e0d-927a-a9106ec704c4.html

and it should as should the rest of our country's census!

[Winehole23]

and it should as should the rest of our country's census!It's too bad Dennis Ross and Trump committed their bad faith to the record. Had they managed to shut up about their real reasons for doing it -- as well as being more attentive to administrative niceties -- it'd be on there now.

Pure legal/adminstrative incompetence, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

The Secret Files of the Master of Modern Republican Gerrymandering

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5d718870f315160008ded841/master/w_727,c_limit/Daley--Gerrymandering.jpg

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_im agenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_090619&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&esrc=&mbid=&utm_term=TNY_Daily (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_im agenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_090619&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&esrc=&mbid=&utm_term=TNY_Daily)

Hofeller dead, Kock dead, but their evil live on

[Winehole23]

Boutons with the sloppy seconds, right on cue.

[boutons_deux]

Boutons with the sloppy seconds, right on cue.

My seconds are tons better than any firsts. Ask the ladies

[koriwhat]

My seconds are tons better than any firsts. Ask the ladies

the feminists you're in a group with that won't give you any pussy? rawstory!

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s census shenanigans continue while no one’s looking — even after his Supreme Court defeat

in August, the Census Bureau entered a proposal (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/09/16/2019-19923/proposed-information-collection-comment-request-generic-clearance-for-collection-of-state) for a general clearance

to acquire state administrative records, such as those of recipients of public-assistance programs, into the federal registry.

Although the bureau already receives some administrative records from states, it has

complained that the records it receives are stripped of identifiable information.

With more than a month left open for public comment and consideration on the proposal, the Associated Press reported on Monday that the

American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators confirmed that nearly every state has recently received additional

requests from the Census Bureau for information including citizenship status, race, and home address.

is clearly meant to serve as an end-run of the Supreme Court’s ruling.

While acquiring citizenship data through a direct inquiry on the census was not ruled illegal — Roberts instead determined that bureau officials were not honest in their answers to the district court —

collecting citizenship information through the census bureau still presents similar problems.

Experts warn that many households with undocumented immigrants won’t complete the necessary census forms for fear of retaliation.

This could ultimately lead to a less accurate headcount, as was feared with a question on the Census itself, and

deprive cities with large immigrant communities of federal funding and representation.

The census serves as the basis for reapportioning seats in the House of Representatives every 10 years as well as for the distribution of social spending.

“The result is going to be fairly similar to including the citizen question directly on the census form,”

It is not difficult to imagine how sharing state motor vehicle records with the federal government can increase the amount of uninsured and unregistered drivers on the road.

“the fear engendered by the administration’s immigration policies will make the job of census workers difficult in primarily immigrant neighborhoods, regardless of whether or not the citizenship question is added.”

“If you don’t participate in the census, Trump wins,” said Gov. Gavin Newsom of California, a Democrat.

Florida and Texas, have seen efforts to bulk up community outreach stymied by Republicans in the state’s legislatures.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trumps-census-shenanigans-continue-while-no-ones-looking-even-after-his-supreme-court-defeat/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1724

red states are criminalizing people who assist, enroll, transport voters

[Winehole23]

The Hofeller trove exposes GOP lies to to the court:

https://twitter.com/JonathanTopaz/status/1195127456287592448?s=19

[Winehole23]

Hofeller files posted online by his daughter:

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/05/785672201/deceased-gop-strategists-daughter-makes-files-public-that-republicans-wanted-sea

[ElNono]

The Hofeller trove exposes GOP lies to to the court:

https://twitter.com/JonathanTopaz/status/1195127456287592448?s=19

Was reading about this on the fly back home. Kid did daddy proud... lol

[Winehole23]

like we do now


WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) -- Commerce secretary says 2020 U.S. census will end Oct. 5, despite judge ordering it to continue to end of October.https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/commerce-secretary-2020-us-census-end-oct-judge-73300670

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Merryman)

[ElNono]

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Merryman was in a much more difficult environment, not so today. There's always contempt of court to be applied to the Commerce Secretary.

[ElNono]

Or the court can simply impose what the deadlines will be if the DoC doesn't want to play ball.

[ElNono]

Looks like somebody leaked to the court an email that appears to suggest the DoC paid no attention to the TRO...

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.364504/gov.uscourts.cand.364504.229.0.pdf?no-og=true

[boutons_deux]

Trash/Barr's "unitary executive": FUCK THE JUDICIARY, nobody oversights us.

Census Bureau says operations will conclude by October 5

Ross announced Monday evening that he intends to conclude the 2020 census on October 5,

more than three weeks earlier than expected after a federal judge reinstated the October 31 end date (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/25/politics/census-counting-timeline-federal-judge/index.html).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/2020-census-operations/index.html

[boutons_deux]

Supreme Court Allows Trump Administration To End Census Early

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/921428056/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-to-end-census-early

crapification unstoppable

[ElNono]

Supreme Court Allows Trump Administration To End Census Early

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/921428056/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-to-end-census-early

crapification unstoppable



Not a full stop. Just until the appeal works it's way through the lower courts.

[ElNono]

Plus, the Census is a law. The only thing that's Constitutionally mandated is that Congress enacts a law to conduct the Census.

So next Congress is well within it's power to issue a do over.

[boutons_deux]

[QUOTE=So next Congress is well within it's power to issue a do over.[/QUOTE]

Dems don't have hardball team to do that.

[ElNono]

They need control of Congress.

There's going to be a lot of do-overs. It's not just the Census. A bunch of people this administration put in positions of power weren't legally allowed to be there.

Thus, a lot of the decisions they made are going to have to be re-made. It happens when you have a completely inept administration.

[Ef-man]

They need control of Congress.

There's going to be a lot of do-overs. It's not just the Census. A bunch of people this administration put in positions of power weren't legally allowed to be there.

Thus, a lot of the decisions they made are going to have to be re-made. It happens when you have a completely inept administration.

Agree 100%. Census too important and should not be rushed.

[Winehole23]

The Hofeller trove exposes GOP lies to to the court:

https://twitter.com/JonathanTopaz/status/1195127456287592448?s=19Still relevant.

Ratfucking the US Census is a whole nother level of constitutional hardball.

[boutons_deux]

goddamn, there's not a single govt operation by the Repugs that not's corrupted, cheating, fraudulent, destructive, lying

Lawsuit says census takers were pressured to falsify data

census takers were pressured to falsify data as the statistical agency cut corners and slashed standards,

some households were marked as completed after only one attempt to reach residents living there

census takers were pressured by supervisors to close cases as quickly as possible, and

they did this by guessing the number of people living in a household,

claiming an address was too dangerous to visit or

falsely saying residents of a household had refused to answer questions during door-knocking,

“Instructions such as those identified above suggested to enumerators that they should falsify data to close cases quickly,”

the disregard for accuracy was done to end the count early so that census numbers could be processed

while President Donald Trump was still in the White House, regardless of who wins the presidential race.

That would allow the Trump administration to enforce a presidential order seeking to exclude people living in the U.S. illegally when congressional seats are divvied up among the states.

“Defendants cut many corners and made decisions that do not bear a reasonable relationship to the accomplishment of an actual enumeration,”

“Such non-direct enumeration methods are less accurate and have a profound effect on immigrants and minorities — the hard-to-count populations.”

https://apnews.com/article/us-census-lawsuit-pressured-falsify-data-1a899c8af0b2797a7b3456c1354066a2

Plenty of ground for annulling the 2020 census, and

1000s of door knockers and supervisors to testify as whistle-blowers,

and running a new 2021 census.

But the Dems don't have the balls.

[boutons_deux]

"The 2020 Census is now estimated to cost approximately $15.6 billion.

Moreover, the average cost for counting a housing unit increased from about

$16 in 1970 to around

$92 in 2010 (in 2020 constant dollars),

in part because the nation's population is more difficult to count."

https://www.gao.gov/highrisk/2020_decennial_census/why_did_study#:~:text=The%202020%20Census%20is%20n ow,is%20more%20difficult%20to%20count (https://www.gao.gov/highrisk/2020_decennial_census/why_did_study#:~:text=The%202020%20Census%20is%20n ow,is%20more%20difficult%20to%20count).

[boutons_deux]

Repugs in SCOTUS today trying to overturn 200 years of Census counting all "persons"

We'll see if the corrupt rightwing Repug SCOTUS

drops the "balls and strikes" charade,

disrespects stare decisis,

ignores the TEXT of the Constitution, and

activist-ly excludes non-citizens.

[Winehole23]

Repugs in SCOTUS today trying to overturn 200 years of Census counting all "persons"

We'll see if the corrupt rightwing Repug SCOTUS

drops the "balls and strikes" charade,

disrespects stare decisis,

ignores the TEXT of the Constitution, and

activist-ly excludes non-citizens.

Shoring up racist/xenophobic bona fides. I'll be surprised if SCOTUS grants the government's prayer, the Congressional Record makes clear that Congress knew what it doing when it instituted a head count.

[boutons_deux]

Supreme Court skeptical of Trump plan to exclude undocumented immigrants from House redistricting count

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-skeptical-census-case-trump-immigrants-count/

[Winehole23]

Supreme Court skeptical of Trump plan to exclude undocumented immigrants from House redistricting count

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-skeptical-census-case-trump-immigrants-count/

They conservatives seem to favor the plaintiffs on the merits, but raise issues of standing and timing. Since there's no injury yet, the lawsuit might be premature.

[boutons_deux]

They conservatives seem to favor the plaintiffs on the merits, but raise issues of standing and timing. Since there's no injury yet, the lawsuit might be premature.

"Delivering the Numbers

Title 13, U.S. Code requires that the apportionment population counts be delivered to the President within 9 months of the census date.

In the 2020, 2010, and most 20th century censuses, the census date has been April 1, meaning that

the Office of the President received the counts by December 31 of each census year.

According to Title 2, U.S. Code, within one week of the opening of the next session of the Congress,

the President must report to the Clerk of the House of Representatives the apportionment population counts for each state and the number of Representatives to which each state is entitled.

Also according to Title 2, U.S. Code, within 15 days, the Clerk of the House must inform each state governor of the number of representatives to which each state is entitled."

https://www.census.gov/topics/public-sector/congressional-apportionment/about.html

31 Dec is unchanged by the pandemic

https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/operational-adjustments-covid-19.html

[Winehole23]

"Delivering the Numbers

Title 13, U.S. Code requires that the apportionment population counts be delivered to the President within 9 months of the census date.

In the 2020, 2010, and most 20th century censuses, the census date has been April 1, meaning that

the Office of the President received the counts by December 31 of each census year.

According to Title 2, U.S. Code, within one week of the opening of the next session of the Congress,

the President must report to the Clerk of the House of Representatives the apportionment population counts for each state and the number of Representatives to which each state is entitled.

Also according to Title 2, U.S. Code, within 15 days, the Clerk of the House must inform each state governor of the number of representatives to which each state is entitled."

https://www.census.gov/topics/public-sector/congressional-apportionment/about.html

31 Dec is unchanged by the pandemic

https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/operational-adjustments-covid-19.htmlThere's definitely question of whether enough time remains to scrub "illegal immigrants" from the count. There's also been a suggestion (a weak suggestion imho) that states will lack standing to sue if the count doesn't affect apportionment.

Redistricting is likely to start in January in a lot of states. Like Roberts said, it's hard to unscramble the eggs at that point.

[Winehole23]

SCOTUS punts. Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor dissent. The issue of standing cuts in Trump's favor this time.

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[Winehole23]

apportionment is the big political result of the US census:

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[FrostKing]

Honest people rewarded :tu

[Winehole23]

Honest people rewarded :tu

What are you talking about?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What are you talking about?

This is the guy that was calling for race wars the day before the Dylan roof shootings happened.

Replace honest with white and you have what he is getting at.

[boutons_deux]

The House arbitrarily fixed 435 seats 100 years ago when USA had 100M.

Now USA has 330M and still 435 voting seats.

That means that when a small state (rural/red) increases in population, a large state (blue) gives up a seat to the small state.

eg, I think it was CA that gave a blue seat to red MT.

We can't increase past 435 House seats to 1400 seats because the House BUILDING is too fucking small! What a shithole country. :lol

Architecture before, crimps democracy.

[Winehole23]

The House arbitrarily fixed 435 seats 100 years ago when USA had 100M.

Now USA has 330M and still 435 voting seats.

That means that when a small state (rural/red) increases in population, a large state (blue) gives up a seat to the small state.

eg, I think it was CA that gave a blue seat to red MT.

We can't increase past 435 House seats to 1400 seats because the House BUILDING is too fucking small! What a shithole country. :lol

Architecture before, crimps democracy.That's a legislative fix, in principle Congress can grow along with the population.

[boutons_deux]

Census Bureau to miss deadline, jeopardizing Trump plan

The Census Bureau will miss a year-end deadline for handing in numbers used for divvying up congressional seats,

a delay that could undermine President Donald Trump’s efforts to exclude people in the country illegally from the count

if the figures aren’t submitted before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

The Census Bureau plans to deliver a population count of each state in early 2021, as close to the missed deadline as possible,

“As issues that could affect the accuracy of the data are detected, they are corrected,” the statement said.

“The schedule for reporting this data is not static. Projected dates are fluid.”

It will be the first time that the Dec. 31 target date is missed since the deadline was implemented more than four decades ago by Congress.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-census-2020-8dd78fbb0460c377cde074e3c8d6f967 (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-census-2020-8dd78fbb0460c377cde074e3c8d6f967?utm_source=Sailth ru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=December31_MorningWire_Automated&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers)

[Winehole23]

:tu

[boutons_deux]

Biden EO Will Officially End Trump’s Bid To Weaponize Census Data To Boost GOP Power


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/biden-eo-will-officially-end-trumps-bid-to-weaponize-census-data-to-boost-gop-power

[boutons_deux]

Facing damning whistleblower allegations and new admin,

Census Bureau boss will retire 1 year early

after a whistleblower report said (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/13/2008863/-Whistleblowers-say-top-Census-Bureau-political-appointees-tried-last-minute-anti-immigrant-push) top census officials including Dillingham pressured staffers to rush a last-minute, “statistically indefensible” count on undocumented immigrants to turn over to twice-impeached president Donald Trump.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010347

[Winehole23]

Biden EO Will Officially End Trump’s Bid To Weaponize Census Data To Boost GOP Power

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/biden-eo-will-officially-end-trumps-bid-to-weaponize-census-data-to-boost-gop-powerin this vein


A GOP strategist had concluded (https://www.npr.org/2019/05/30/728232221/gop-redistricting-strategist-played-role-in-push-for-census-citizenship-question) that using block-level citizen voting age population, or CVAP, data for redistricting "would be advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites."

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/22/959609263/biden-administration-tables-trumps-citizenship-data-request-for-redistricting

[boutons_deux]

By repealing Trump’s census order on unauthorized immigrants, Biden just gave Texas GOP an extra House seat, or two

Republicans control Texas redistricting and are likely to keep the spoils from counting 1.7M or so noncitizens Trump wanted excluded from apportionment.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/01/23/by-repealing-trump-census-order-on-unauthorized-immigrants-biden-just-gave-texas-gop-an-extra-house-seat-or-two

Federal funds to the states are based on census numbers, so not only do shithole TX shitbag Repugs get 1 or 2 more seats, they get more Fed $Ms, where very little, if any, will go to help the population in those two districts.

[Winehole23]

On January 27, 2021, Kathleen Styles, an official at the U.S. Census Bureau, announced at a National Conference of State Legislatures event that the bureau would release its final apportionment report by April 30, 2021. Styles also said the bureau hoped to release detailed redistricting data after July 31, 2021.sounds squishy

https://news.ballotpedia.org/2021/02/01/u-s-census-bureau-says-it-will-deliver-apportionment-data-by-april-30-redistricting-data-after-july-31/

[Winehole23]

The tardy/incompetent 2020 US Census will cause headaches this year and the next.

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[Winehole23]

Wilbur Ross to skate

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[Will Hunting]

I had high hopes for Garland but turns out he’s just another “:cry the country needs to heal :cry” hack.

[Winehole23]

I had high hopes for Garland but turns out he’s just another “:cry the country needs to heal :cry” hack.Jen Taub had a similarly scathing take on 2008 banking, "elite felons" feels more descriptive than editorial to me.

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[Winehole23]

Wilbur Ross ratfucked em

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[Thread]

Wilbur Ross ratfucked em

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The fuckin' thing/census was all screwed up by the COVID. It should have been suspended for 2 years, just go with the old numbers, but they brazened it out.

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 380,000 Texans weren't counted in 2020 Census

potentially costing the state hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding tied to that data

Texas (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/center-labor-human-services-and-population/projects/exploring-2020-censuss-accuracy-and-utility__;!!Ivohdkk!3AFllR3mmWzHEggC4F35CA0W5hM9iy ik4bNzakHeOLOkbC_Eaubq97bFu_H3aLopB-_LPbXu%24) had the highest undercount of any state in raw numbers

The Lone Star State also had the second-highest undercount by percentage, at 1.28 percent.

the census missed more residents in Texas than in California, Florida or New York,

Nationwide, one-fifth of the individuals who were not counted live in Texas

Counting the additional 377,000 people would have afforded Texas more than $247 million in 2021 federal Medicaid reimbursements,

children under 5, people of color, renters and those who live in households with noncitizens were most likely to be undercounted.

Texas, along with some other GOP-led states, refused to spend money on census efforts (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-leaves-Census-outreach-to-cities-counties-14109752.php), and

the state government didn’t create a plan for the once-a-decade endeavor.

In Texas, the institute estimates that Black and Latino residents were underrepresented in final totals by 2.57 and 2.32 percent, respectively.

White, non-Hispanic residents had a net undercount of .03 percent.

people of color accounted for 95 percent of Texas’ 4 million-person population growth over the past 10 years, with Hispanic Texans making up nearly half of that surge.

inaccurate count of Black and Hispanic residents also means that their communities will “miss out on their fair share of funding and resources,” :lol

while majority-white areas will receive more resources than they should, :lol

https://www.expressnews.com/news/legislature/article/Texas-2020-census-16583443.php

In racist slave-state Confederate Texas, the racism and cheating and screwing non-whites are BIG

There's method in Texas' willful incompetence.

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Latinos sue against 'racist' redistricting maps in Texas

(https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Latinos-sue-against-racist-redistricting-16547130.php)https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Latinos-sue-against-racist-redistricting-16547130.php

[RandomGuy]

Nearly 380,000 Texans weren't counted in 2020 Census

potentially costing the state hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding tied to that data

Texas (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/center-labor-human-services-and-population/projects/exploring-2020-censuss-accuracy-and-utility__;!!Ivohdkk!3AFllR3mmWzHEggC4F35CA0W5hM9iy ik4bNzakHeOLOkbC_Eaubq97bFu_H3aLopB-_LPbXu%24) had the highest undercount of any state in raw numbers

The Lone Star State also had the second-highest undercount by percentage, at 1.28 percent.

the census missed more residents in Texas than in California, Florida or New York,

Nationwide, one-fifth of the individuals who were not counted live in Texas

Counting the additional 377,000 people would have afforded Texas more than $247 million in 2021 federal Medicaid reimbursements,

children under 5, people of color, renters and those who live in households with noncitizens were most likely to be undercounted.

Texas, along with some other GOP-led states, refused to spend money on census efforts (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-leaves-Census-outreach-to-cities-counties-14109752.php), and

the state government didn’t create a plan for the once-a-decade endeavor.

In Texas, the institute estimates that Black and Latino residents were underrepresented in final totals by 2.57 and 2.32 percent, respectively.

White, non-Hispanic residents had a net undercount of .03 percent.

people of color accounted for 95 percent of Texas’ 4 million-person population growth over the past 10 years, with Hispanic Texans making up nearly half of that surge.

inaccurate count of Black and Hispanic residents also means that their communities will “miss out on their fair share of funding and resources,” :lol

while majority-white areas will receive more resources than they should, :lol

https://www.expressnews.com/news/legislature/article/Texas-2020-census-16583443.php

In racist slave-state Confederate Texas, the racism and cheating and screwing non-whites are BIG

There's method in Texas' willful incompetence.

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Latinos sue against 'racist' redistricting maps in Texas

(https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Latinos-sue-against-racist-redistricting-16547130.php)https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Latinos-sue-against-racist-redistricting-16547130.php

Oops.

[Winehole23]

taking a symbolic stand, Texas shot itself in the foot

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