Pistons Blog: Detroit Should Trade #15 Pick to Spurs for Poeltl and #29

[Man Mountain]

https://pistonpowered.com/2019/06/04/three-trades-detroit-pistons-make-draft-night/

The blog also suggests #15 for #19 and #29..

For Hatch or Little?..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

That sounds like a funny blog.

[Gordy58]

https://pistonpowered.com/2019/06/04/three-trades-detroit-pistons-make-draft-night/

The blog also suggests #15 for #19 and #29..

For Hatch or Little?..
oh god no

[Spurtacular]

oh god no

Hell yes!

(But not 'til it's for sure that Rui Hachimura is available for the pick).

[cd021]

Neither trade is good tbh. I think Poeltl can be an above average starting center for the next decade moving him 29 for 15 is not really enticing unless the Spurs absolutely love someone who is projected to be gone before 19.

Trading 19 and 29 to move up 4 spots isn't good either. There are some interesting players available there.

[Uriel]

My first reaction was no, but then I remembered we have Milutinov waiting in the pipeline. That could make that trade stomachable for me if we could bring him over and get someone like a Little or Hachimura at #15.

C - Aldridge, Milutinov
PF - Gay, Bertans, #19 (Samanic?)
SF - DeRozan, Little / Hachimura
SG - White, Forbes, Bellinelli
PG - Murray, Mills, Walker

[Chinook]

I've said before that Poeltl makes the most sense as a trade piece if the Spurs' plan is to open up a contending window as soon as possible. Using him to hop from 29 to 15 would certainly be decent value, but I'm not sure they'd get anyone they wouldn't be able to go for at 19. Like maybe they draft Hachimura or Doumbouya and Fernando or Hayes. That could certainly end up being great long term. But it doesn't necessarily have the same potential as going from 19 into the top 10 and grabbing one of the elite wings who could drop there. Jakob's $11-Million cap hold could end up being a big factor in what options the Spurs have available to them next summer. It's almost twice as large as Murray's hold is slated to be. If DeJounte (or Walker) moves into semi-stardom next year like some posters believe, the Spurs will be able to offer a strong supporting cast for a potential max free agent.

Let's say the Spurs can move 15 and 19 for 9 and grab Reddish or Hunter. Then they trade their 2020 first to get rid of Mills. So long as they only sign Gay to a one-year deal, the Spurs would enter free agency with just under $71 Million in committed salary with the following roster:


Murray (hold)
White, Walker
DeRozan, Hunter/Reddish
Aldridge

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=5795499285cf76d985d769023486160

That'd give them $42 Million in cap space and $66 Million under the tax to fill out the roster. Some of the nine spots will be filled with young players drafted in the second round or otherwise guys taken for filers. Let's add two of them, then Milutinov for $5 Million total. That's nine spots. A tenth will be the room-exception guy. With roster charges, that gives the Spurs just barely the room they need for a max slot. They could get a bit more by re-upping DeRozan to a long-term deal that starts out cheaper (like $100M/4). That could give them the room to keep Gay on a decent deal and still have their max spot and room exception.

Something like this:

Murray(hold), PG (RE)
White, Walker, Second-rounder
DeRozan, Hunter/Reddish
Max FA, Gay
Aldridge, Milutinov

[Em-City]

My first reaction was no, but then I remembered we have Milutinov waiting in the pipeline. That could make that trade stomachable for me if we could bring him over and get someone like a Little or Hachimura at #15.

C - Aldridge, Milutinov
PF - Gay, Bertans, #19 (Samanic?)
SF - DeRozan, Little / Hachimura
SG - White, Forbes, Bellinelli
PG - Murray, Mills, Walker

I don't think milutinov will survive in the modern nba

[GreekSpursfan]

Good luck having Milutinov as your main big, a recipe for disaster. I would pack Milutinov with a pick for a better pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

15th pick seems a little too low. 10-12 would be the range I'd look at

[J_Paco]

My first reaction was no, but then I remembered we have Milutinov waiting in the pipeline. That could make that trade stomachable for me if we could bring him over and get someone like a Little or Hachimura at #15.

C - Aldridge, Milutinov
PF - Gay, Bertans, #19 (Samanic?)
SF - DeRozan, Little / Hachimura
SG - White, Forbes, Bellinelli
PG - Murray, Mills, Walker

Um, Walker isn't a PG.......

[tbdog]

I like Poeltl if we had more than one pg on our roster. You sign him up for 4 years at 8mil per. He will be a starting center for years.

[CGD]

Wasn’t Poetl the 9th pick in 2016 draft?
19+Jacob for 15 in shitty draft seems steep. Maybe Jacob straight up.

Also, still not getting all the Hachimora hype. You think he’d be a top 5 pick in here. But alas, i trust RC to make the right play especially in such a weird draft like this one.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I don't see Detroit doing that trade at all. More than a back up center they need wing and back court help. Shot I still think Milutinov could be a solid trade piece during the draft though

[Uriel]

Um, Walker isn't a PG.......
I just put him there to make our imbalanced roster look nice and symmetrical :lol

[pad300]

I don't think the cap math works. DET is significantly over cap, and aren't sending out enough salary (picks count for zero).

[XDT76]

I would say no, in this draft whoever Spurs gonna draft with that 15 has a chance to be available at 19. The 29 then could be used to draft players with some red flag like Okeke. Besides Poletl is developing quite okay for a 9th pick no reason to trade him for a 15, with Aldridge likely to leave in 2 yrs we need him around to give us some options. If Lakers is offering the 4th, then it might be worth considering.

[lmbebo]

horrible trade. too much to move up 4 spots ....

[Chinook]

horrible trade. too much to move up 4 spots ....

14 spots.

[venitian navigator]

don't understand why detroit should ask for a center when they already have a starting one for more than 30 minutes per game in Drummond...and theitr obvious need is about shooting. that said, tehy could be really interested in our supposedely available shooters, like Marco, Patrick, Bryn and Davis...

[lmbebo]

14 spots.

I thought trade proposed was Poetl and 19 for 15?

Even Poetl and 29 is a lot for 15 when we got 19.

[FkLA]

Nah, I'd rather they take one of our sorry guards (aka anyone not named White, Walker, DeRozan) off our hands instead.

[Keepin' it real]

Blog ... / thread

[Duncan2177]

15th pick seems a little too low. 10-12 would be the range I'd look at

[J_Paco]

I just put him there to make our imbalanced roster look nice and symmetrical :lol

Forbes has proven he can play point in an emergency role and I'm sure all these guards won't be carried into next season.

If Walker shows a lot of growth then Beli is as good as gone....

[DAF86]

Poeltl >>> 15

[Mugen]

Why would Detroit want Jakob?

[Dex]

Poeltl was a #9 pick, fits the Spurs scheme well, and still has room to grow.

He will never be a star player, but he is a solid role-playing big.

Unless the Spurs think they can get another Kawhi at #15 that won't drop to #19, I don't see the point.

[DPG21920]

If it were for SA’s 2nd rounder + Poeltl I would do it for sure. But it depends on who is there, but if SA could keep 19 and 29 it’s a no brainer because you could for sure replace Poeltl with one of those picks while getting 15.

[Marrow]

I guess it all depends on who is available at the 15th pick...if the spurs have someone high on their draft board that falls to 15 they might pull the trigger on that deal

personally i would rather keep poeltl and move one of our guards with #19

[sasaint]

Neither trade is good tbh. I think Poeltl can be an above average starting center for the next decade moving him 29 for 15 is not really enticing unless the Spurs absolutely love someone who is projected to be gone before 19.

Trading 19 and 29 to move up 4 spots isn't good either. There are some interesting players available there.

Completely agree. :tu

[Degoat]

I feel like people are a little to high on Jakob poeltl, he’s solid but he’s nothing special.

[sasaint]

If it were for SA’s 2nd rounder + Poeltl I would do it for sure. But it depends on who is there, but if SA could keep 19 and 29 it’s a no brainer because you could for sure replace Poeltl with one of those picks while getting 15.

That's more like it. But even so, Poodle was a *9 pick, who has shown pretty steady improvement. Trading Poodle and a second rounder for #15 in this draft means that Poodle's value has depreciated, which I do not believe is the case. And I doubt they could draft anybody at 19 or 29 who could replace Poodle immediately. So, #15 would need to contribute pretty fast. Ultimately, I can't see PATFO wanting 3 first round picks.

[mo7888]

I feel like people are a little to high on Jakob poeltl, he’s solid but he’s nothing special.

I agree on solid but not special but, I don't expect the 15th pick in this draft to be special either. Does it have a chance to be special? Sure, but it has a chance to bust as well. Looking at the prospects on the board I'd rather just stick with 19 because I think that pick has the same special/bust odds as 15. If I could give 29 plus a smaller asset to move up 4 spots then ok but not a solid player like Jacob.

[Degoat]

I agree on solid but not special but, I don't expect the 15th pick in this draft to be special either. Does it have a chance to be special? Sure, but it has a chance to bust as well. Looking at the prospects on the board I'd rather just stick with 19 because I think that pick has the same special/bust odds as 15. If I could give 29 plus a smaller asset to move up 4 spots then ok but not a solid player like Jacob.

yeah I mean I agree on that too, but hypothetically and this is a big IF... say Nassir Little is available at the 15th pick we do this trade and grab him at 15, then at 19th pick we get Nicholas Claxton, Bruno, or Goga. I think you pull the trigger on that, you also have Nikola Milutinov as a backup center to replace Jakob if needed

[Down Under]

Meh, I want Poeltl as our rim runner if, as it looks, we're gonna be a guard oriented team for the foreseeable future. The only player I would really want to trade up to get late in the lottery is Clarke if he's available.

[CGD]

I agree on solid but not special but, I don't expect the 15th pick in this draft to be special either. Does it have a chance to be special? Sure, but it has a chance to bust as well. Looking at the prospects on the board I'd rather just stick with 19 because I think that pick has the same special/bust odds as 15. If I could give 29 plus a smaller asset to move up 4 spots then ok but not a solid player like Jacob.

The converse of this (selling high) would be sending Bryn back to Mochigan along with 29 for 15. His value will never be higher.

[mo7888]

yeah I mean I agree on that too, but hypothetically and this is a big IF... say Nassir Little is available at the 15th pick we do this trade and grab him at 15, then at 19th pick we get Nicholas Claxton, Bruno, or Goga. I think you pull the trigger on that, you also have Nikola Milutinov as a backup center to replace Jakob if needed

I'm not that high on Little but, the spurs might be. If the spurs see a guy they have as a cant miss guy that falls to 15 then they should pull the trigger on it and get him. I'm just speaking from 'my' perspective on how I see the guys in this draft because i only see 6 or 7 guys as cant miss special. They may see something different and if they do they should get him.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

My first reaction was no, but then I remembered we have Milutinov waiting in the pipeline. That could make that trade stomachable for me if we could bring him over and get someone like a Little or Hachimura at #15.

C - Aldridge, Milutinov
PF - Gay, Bertans, #19 (Samanic?)
SF - DeRozan, Little / Hachimura
SG - White, Forbes, Bellinelli
PG - Murray, Mills, WalkerYou really do want us to suck.

[mo7888]

The converse of this (selling high) would be sending Bryn back to Mochigan along with 29 for 15. His value will never be higher.

I'd be all over that.