Bobby Marks: “I wouldn’t be surprised if DeMar DeRozan is on the market in the first week of July”

[RC_Drunkford]

Bojan will get a lot of interest from a lot of teams, whoever gets him will have to pay more than his actual value. I wouldn't do that if i was SA.

don't underestimate the Popovich effect tbh. He's a Euro, so I bet he would love to play for Pop

[exstatic]

I personally like DeRozan. If he worked on his 3-point shot he'd be essentially unstoppable.

I think he has skills, and a three pointer would help a lot, but Derrick White knows more about finding open space off the dribble than DD does. I don't care how much his handle has improved since he's come into the league if he still constantly dribbles into double teams and traffic.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Sucks that derozan is untradeable. What the fuck were RC and Pop thinking? Spurstalk would've made a better trade then those drunks

[Twisted_Dawg]

I personally like DeRozan. If he worked on his 3-point shot he'd be essentially unstoppable.

Which begs the question....how does a guy be in the league for as long as Demar and not have any semblance of a 3-point shot? Didnt think it was important? No confidence? Too lazy to work on one?

We just saw the same day a video of Drew Eubanks working in a gym draining 3's, and then see Demar standing on a pool chase lounge looking like an idiot.

[DPG21920]

Which begs the question....how does a guy be in the league for as long as Demar and not have any semblance of a 3-point shot? Didnt think it was important? No confidence? Too lazy to work on one?

We just saw the same day a video of Drew Eubanks working in a gym draining 3's, and then see Demar standing on a pool chase lounge looking like an idiot.

This is truly one of the most bizarre things on ST; people acting like not seeing a video of someone working out means they are not working out. Especially if they see a video of a person, at any time, living a normal life.

Then on the flip side, when players do post it, they get hated on as it being a fake workout only staged for IG.

:lol

[exstatic]

This is truly one of the most bizarre things on ST; people acting like not seeing a video of someone working out means they are not working out. Especially if they see a video of a person, at any time, living a normal life.

Then on the flip side, when players do post it, they get hated on as it being a fake workout only staged for IG.

:lol

This. Love LW IVs trolling after people hated on the Tigers.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is truly one of the most bizarre things on ST; people acting like not seeing a video of someone working out means they are not working out. Especially if they see a video of a person, at any time, living a normal life.

Then on the flip side, when players do post it, they get hated on as it being a fake workout only staged for IG.

:lol

A lot of bitches on Spurstalk. Whatever you do is wrong

[phxspurfan]

This just in: Dubs S&T Durant for DeMar :drunk

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This is truly one of the most bizarre things on ST; people acting like not seeing a video of someone working out means they are not working out. Especially if they see a video of a person, at any time, living a normal life.

Then on the flip side, when players do post it, they get hated on as it being a fake workout only staged for IG.

:lol

So damn true!

People just want to complain and nitpick about shit because ultimately they are jealous or have an over inflated sense of entitlement

[MaNu4Tres]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

[Dejounte]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

Trolling?

I would be shocked if DeMar is traded. If he does, then its mutual. But it kind of looks bad with the comments from Pop about them "wanting" DeMar when we first got him.

[exstatic]

Trolling?

I would be shocked if DeMar is traded. If he does, then its mutual. But it kind of looks bad with the comments from Pop about them "wanting" DeMar when we first got him.

Pop would always say the right thing to get the ball rolling, but he just doesn't fit here. It's been a year since Pop said that.

[Dverde]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

I believe Spurs want to extend him, but DDR probably wants more than the Spurs will pay. I still believe two of the three of DJ Murray, DDR, LMA are going to get extended. I think Pop wants to double down on this group.

[SpursDynasty85]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

I dont see Demar moving this summer. Next year they will try to resign in a summer where hopefully no one is maxing out a 30 year old Demar. hopfully around 20-25 will be a sweet spot for all.

[duncan2150]

Even if the Spurs don't extend Demarr it will be a win win situation where they could have a lot of cap so i guess he will stay next year and we will see after that.

[Dverde]

Even if the Spurs don't extend Demarr it will be a win win situation where they could have a lot of cap so i guess he will stay next year and we will see after that.

Cap room to do what? Nobody wants to come here especially with Pop one foot out the door.

[mo7888]

Cap room to do what? Nobody wants to come here especially with Pop one foot out the door.

Cap room to absorb a player in a trade.

[Mugen]

:lol I'd love to move Demar but not looking forward to RC getting absolutely shafted in a trade again

[Dennis the Menace]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

To draft two of Hachimura, Porter Jr, or Little.

Anything else, RC needs to be removed and switch to being a full time Bar Manager.

[TimDunkem]

To draft two of Hachimura, Porter Jr, or Little.

Anything else, RC needs to be removed and switch to being a full time Bar Manager.

They're not drafting any of those guys. Stop getting your hopes up.

[Vic Petro]

I dont see Demar moving this summer. Next year they will try to resign in a summer where hopefully no one is maxing out a 30 year old Demar. hopfully around 20-25 will be a sweet spot for all.

Even if no one is maxing him out and he has multiple equal offers, there is no guarantee he re-signs. He has no loyalty to SA. If offers are equal I bet his preference is to play on the coast. I’d rather a real difference maker tell me to fuck off than DeMar Derozan.

He is a fine player and might be a great guy, but you’re in it to ring and I don’t know what else DeMar has to do to prove he’ll never ring as a main cog. Maybe in a Glenn Robinson type of role.

I don’t have a ton of interest in maintaining phony “relevance” and treading water. Either trade him now if you can get any value, or let him walk after this year. Extending a 30 year old Derozan shouldn’t even be a consideration.

[exstatic]

I dont see Demar moving this summer. Next year they will try to resign in a summer where hopefully no one is maxing out a 30 year old Demar. hopfully around 20-25 will be a sweet spot for all.

DD doesn't strike me as a guy who will be happy taking a discount, even a market induced one.

I just think that it's telling that DeMar went to the 2018 USA*Basketball camp, but is nowhere to be found this year.

[FkLA]

Shit will be wide open next year with KD out. With the addition of Instagram Baller, two 1st Rounders, and the right wing with the MLE the Spurs can be right in the thick of things, imo.

If you can get rid of DeMar and it nets a a guy like Bogdanovic I'd do it, but I wouldn't blow everything up afterwards. I don't think Pop will either.

[GreekSpursfan]

don't underestimate the Popovich effect tbh. He's a Euro, so I bet he would love to play for Pop

I agree about Pop but this is his last good contract and he's gonna go for the most money i'm afraid.

[MaNu4Tres]

Trolling?


Nope.

[RD2191]

Shit will be wide open next year with KD out. With the addition of Instagram Baller, two 1st Rounders, and the right wing with the MLE the Spurs can be right in the thick of things, imo.

If you can get rid of DeMar and it nets a a guy like Bogdanovic I'd do it, but I wouldn't blow everything up afterwards. I don't think Pop will either.

Spurs are first round fodder until proven otherwise. We're lead by 2 chokers, it is what it is.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs are first round fodder until proven otherwise. We're lead by 2 chokers, it is what it is.

Facts. Young prospects won't change what this team is at it's core.

[Dennis the Menace]

Spurs are first round fodder until proven otherwise. We're lead by 2 chokers, it is what it is.

^^^ which is why it’s probably best for the organization to trade for best draft picks & develop them. The draft picks turning into non-chokers is far more likely to happen than DDR/LMA stop being chokers

[Collins21]

Facts. Young prospects won't change what this team is at it's core.

Yet you like Kawhi and he choked just as much as anybody when he was here but you and your ilk was use every excuse to justify him choking in 2015 and 2016.

[Joseph Kony]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

Good news :tu

[NASpurs]

From a guy I trust, Spurs are not going to extend DeMar.

Don't be surprised if he's traded.

News that I can fap to. Thanks.

[Degoat]

DD doesn't strike me as a guy who will be happy taking a discount, even a market induced one.

I just think that it's telling that DeMar went to the 2018 USA*Basketball camp, but is nowhere to be found this year.

I thought that was odd too that there was no news of DeMar going to team USA this summer

[DPG21920]

Lakers are shopping the 4th Pick for an established player. DeRozan for 4th Pick if it means getting LA AD?

Plus getting AD means Fa wouldn’t be a big deal for LA so working a DeRozan trade now (since he wouldn’t be going to LA makes it easier)

[TD 21]

Word is the Lakers/Pelicans are canvassing the league looking for "a high level player" for the Lakers' 4th pick, to add to Ingram and Ball.

It's a longshot obviously, but the Spurs should be offering either Aldridge or DeRozan. Despite his age, the former might actually be more appealing. He's not only better, but on a team trying to be competitive, with a Ball-Holiday-Ingram-Williamson core, he'd fit much better too. Worth a shot.

[mo7888]

Lakers are shopping the 4th Pick for an established player. DeRozan for 4th Pick if it means getting LA AD?

Plus getting AD means Fa wouldn’t be a big deal for LA so working a DeRozan trade now (since he wouldn’t be going to LA makes it easier)

I'd trade DDR for the #4 pick without question.

[look_at_g_shred]

I would trade DDR to the lakers for Brandon Ingram and next year's 1st

[look_at_g_shred]

Lakers are shopping the 4th Pick for an established player. DeRozan for 4th Pick if it means getting LA AD?

Plus getting AD means Fa wouldn’t be a big deal for LA so working a DeRozan trade now (since he wouldn’t be going to LA makes it easier)
Problem is you can't trade DDR until July 1

[RD2191]

Fuck, I hope we get rid of Demar. Plus he's a Cali guy so it would be a good place for him in LA.

[Dennis the Menace]

I'd trade DDR for the #4 pick without question.

Hello Kawhi Hunter.. I mean De’Andre Hunter

[RD2191]

Or would DD be doing to the Pelicans?? Cuz that would probably push him over the edge.

[DPG21920]

Problem is you can't trade DDR until July 1

Not a problem at all - deal agreed upon now the consummated July 1

[DPG21920]

Or would DD be doing to the Pelicans?? Cuz that would probably push him over the edge.

In this situation #4 to SA, AD to LA & DeRozan, Ingram, Lonzo and whatever to NO

[RD2191]

In this situation #4 to SA, AD to LA & DeRozan, Ingram, Lonzo and whatever to NO

Damn, I'd feel for DD in this scenario.

[r0drig0lac]

I would trade DDR to the lakers for Brandon Ingram and next year's 1st
easily

[Dverde]

Would you trade DDR for Batum? Batum owed 25M them 27M player option. Spurs have shown an ability to rescue French players from Charlotte. Batum looking like garbage last year.

[TD 21]

Again, it's obviously unlikely, but one thing that might help the Spurs is . . .

- If you're the Lakers, you're only trying to pacify the Hornets. You don't care that Aldridge/DeRozan shouldn't typically fetch the 4th pick, so long as it helps you complete the trade.

If you're the Pelicans, can you do better? Conley is probably the best player not named Davis available, but Aldridge is slightly better, DeRozan is only slightly worse and they'd have Ball/Holiday. Center is the obvious positional need. Drummond, Capela, one of Turner/Sabonis and maybe Adams/Bamba, are probably the best they could do. Turner/Bamba would be good fits and all are obviously significantly younger, but none are stars or likely to be.


In this situation #4 to SA, AD to LA & DeRozan, Ingram, Lonzo and whatever to NO

Why would they want DeRozan when they'd have Ball-Holiday-Ingram 1-3 and Williamson at the 4 (Ingram can't play full time 4, but even if you wanted to pretend, that's out).

[Mugen]

Shipping out Aldridge while keeping Derozan makes zero sense for the team tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

In this situation #4 to SA, AD to LA & DeRozan, Ingram, Lonzo and whatever to NO
More like AD and DDR to the Lakers, Ingram/Kuzma to SA, Ball, Ingram/kuz, Hart and #4 to NOLA

[DPG21920]

More like AD and DDR to the Lakers, Ingram/Kuzma to SA, Ball, Ingram/kuz, Hart and #4 to NOLA

LA seemingly wants a player, not 4th

[DPG21920]

More like AD and DDR to the Lakers, Ingram/Kuzma to SA, Ball, Ingram/kuz, Hart and #4 to NOLA

LA seemingly wants a player, not 4th & the rest doesn’t make sense

[Mugen]

More like AD and DDR to the Lakers, Ingram/Kuzma to SA, Ball, Ingram/kuz, Hart and #4 to NOLA

:lmao there are zero words, zero to describe how fucking awful this would be for the Spurs. Ingram is already on his way out of the league with that blood clot shit, no idea why retarded ass NOLA thinks he has value. And Kuzma is absolute trash. One of the most overrated trash players in the entire league.

I'd rather fucking extend Patty than take on Kyle Kuzma.

[CGD]

Lakers are shopping the 4th Pick for an established player. DeRozan for 4th Pick if it means getting LA AD?

Plus getting AD means Fa wouldn’t be a big deal for LA so working a DeRozan trade now (since he wouldn’t be going to LA makes it easier)

Yeah, the framework is there:

AD—> LAL
4th + Capspace + Kuz —> SAS

NOLA gets:
- DDR (established start)
- Ingram (youngster with star potential)
- 6th (Via LAL trade of Ball to PHX)
- 19th

[DPG21920]

Shipping out Aldridge while keeping Derozan makes zero sense for the team tbh.

If LMA nets you 4 you do it. If he’s your best asset so be it. Can trade DeRozan to another team.

[DPG21920]

Again, it's obviously unlikely, but one thing that might help the Spurs is . . .

- If you're the Lakers, you're only trying to pacify the Hornets. You don't care that Aldridge/DeRozan shouldn't typically fetch the 4th pick, so long as it helps you complete the trade.

If you're the Pelicans, can you do better? Conley is probably the best player not named Davis available, but Aldridge is slightly better, DeRozan is only slightly worse and they'd have Ball/Holiday. Center is the obvious positional need. Drummond, Capela, one of Turner/Sabonis and maybe Adams/Bamba, are probably the best they could do. Turner/Bamba would be good fits and all are obviously significantly younger, but none are stars or likely to be.



Why would they want DeRozan when they'd have Ball-Holiday-Ingram 1-3 and Williamson at the 4 (Ingram can't play full time 4, but even if you wanted to pretend, that's out).

Ball likely traded.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, the framework is there:

AD—> LAL
4th + Capspace + Kuz —> SAS

NOLA gets:
- DDR (established start)
- Ingram (youngster with star potential)
- 6th (Via LAL trade of Ball to PHX)
- 19th

Yup. Something like that makes sense. Although I’d prefer Kuz to NO too and SA keeps 19

[TD 21]

Shipping out Aldridge while keeping Derozan makes zero sense for the team tbh.

Obviously, if it could be pulled off, then trading DeRozan would become a no brainer. I just don't see it though because of Aldridge's age. He'd also take touches away from Williamson and Ingram.

Thinking about it some more, Turner (maybe +) could be a target. Bamba is too much of an unknown. While somewhat underwhelming, the former fits the floor spacer/rim protector mold that's needed next to Williamson and is low usage.




Ball likely traded.

I doubt it. The Pelicans more than likely aren't going to care that him and his dad supposedly want him in a bigger market, like Phoenix. They don't have a long term answer at PG (since they prefer Holiday at SG) and are apparently fans.

Keep in mind, the report was vague, stating "a high level player", not an All-Star necessarily.

[DPG21920]

It will be interesting to see. I don’t see many teams with all star or near all starts wanting to trade for a draft pick. Not too many I can think of. Most teams want to win vs semi blow it up. Certainly not trading a younger already near all star player for 4th Pick in a weaker draft imo

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

LA seemingly wants a player, not 4thAnd the Spurs don't want the 4th either.

[DPG21920]

And the Spurs don't want the 4th either.

I think SA would be EXTREMELY interested in DeRozan for #4.

[Custerdome]

Yes

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Spurs ain't going to trade DeRozan. They will probably try and move Patty, Bertans and probably the 19th to open up enough space to sign Bogdanovic.

[CGD]

Yup. Something like that makes sense. Although I’d prefer Kuz to NO too and SA keeps 19

Agree but in addition to established player (DDR) and young one win star potential (Ingram), they want at least 2 firsts. Not sure 29 cuts it. Plus spurs have been linked to Kuz in the past.

Such a trade makes a lot of sense.

[TD 21]

Yeah, the framework is there:


AD—> LAL
4th + Capspace + Kuz —> SAS

NOLA gets:
- DDR (established start)
- Ingram (youngster with star potential)
- 6th (Via LAL trade of Ball to PHX)
- 19th

Rumor is it's likely either #4 or Kuzma, not both . . .

Lakers receive: Davis
Pelicans receive: DeRozan, Ingram, #6 (via Suns)
Suns receive: Ball
Spurs receive: #4 (via Lakers)

Good chance Garland makes it to #6 in this scenario and that might interest the Pelicans, but with Garland-Holiday-Ingram from 1-3, again DeRozan doesn't fit, at least not long term. Plus, with a point forward like Williamson and to a lesser extent Ingram, they need shooting surrounding them or at least someone willing to shoot 3s in volume, like Ball.

[DPG21920]

Rumor is it's likely either #4 or Kuzma, not both . . .

Lakers receive: Davis
Pelicans receive: DeRozan, Ingram, #6 (via Suns)
Suns receive: Ball
Spurs receive: #4 (via Lakers)

Good chance Garland makes it to #6 in this scenario and that might interest the Pelicans, but with Garland-Holiday-Ingram from 1-3, again DeRozan doesn't fit, at least not long term. Plus, with a point forward like Williamson and to a lesser extent Ingram, they need shooting surrounding them or at least someone willing to shoot 3s in volume, like Ball.

It’s definitely not an ideal fit but DeRozan would easily be the best player in the Deal. They seem to want an all star type and there may not be many available. Who knows. DeRozan wouldn’t be first choice that’s for sure.

But from a PR perspective getting the main guy from Kawhi trade plus more assets looks like a win

[TD 21]

It’s definitely not an ideal fit but DeRozan would easily be the best player in the Deal. They seem to want an all star type and there may not be many available. Who knows. DeRozan wouldn’t be first choice that’s for sure.

But from a PR perspective getting the main guy from Kawhi trade plus more assets looks like a win

The Scumbag trade was panned and is now infamous. Suffice it to say, it wouldn't be some badge of honor to get the main guy from it . . . also and more importantly, Griffin doesn't strike me as senile and out of touch, unfortunately. He's probably intelligent enough to realize that Turner (maybe +), for example, would be a better piece for them than an aging, pseudo star who doesn't fill a positional need or fit with their young core.

[DPG21920]

The Scumbag trade was panned and is now infamous. Suffice it to say, it wouldn't be some badge of honor to get the main guy from it . . . also and more importantly, Griffin doesn't strike me as senile and out of touch, unfortunately. He's probably intelligent enough to realize that Turner (maybe +), for example, would be a better piece for them than an aging, pseudo star who doesn't fill a positional need or fit with their young core.

2 things: 1. highly doubtful a young all star caliber player (like Turner) can be had for 4. Makes no sense. 2. Griffin liking LA youth for AD after watching them suck even worse after the trade deadline and Ingram having a blood clot negates any sense of being smart.

[Collins21]

Nope.

Are you on Twitter?

[DPG21920]

Are you on Twitter?
@ EricSal_7

[Collins21]

@ EricSal_7

Yeah I follow him I figured that's who it was.

[TD 21]

2 things: 1. highly doubtful a young all star caliber player (like Turner) can be had for 4. Makes no sense. 2. Griffin liking LA youth for AD after watching them suck even worse after the trade deadline and Ingram having a blood clot negates any sense of being smart.

He's a cut under All-Star caliber and they're going to have to make a decision on him and Sabonis sooner than later (makes no sense to tie up significant money in 2 players who can't log significant minutes together). Also, Garland would make a lot of sense for them.

I'm with you on the Lakers youth. Fair enough, but at least Ball-Holiday-Ingram-Williams is a fit. Under no circumstance is DeRozan.

[K...]

wouldn't the spurs give up their first to either team to make it go down? or a guard other than saddy paddy? I just don't see what NOLA gets from the lakers trash. Lakers probably should give all their picks to NOLA even if theyre trash

[exstatic]

Would you trade DDR for Batum? Batum owed 25M them 27M player option. Spurs have shown an ability to rescue French players from Charlotte. Batum looking like garbage last year.

We got Boris for pro-rated minimum on a buyout, and never paid him more than I think $7M. $52M for two years of Batum is far too much. I think the Spurs are keeping their powder dry for next summer, and this blows that out of the water.

[DPG21920]

He's a cut under All-Star caliber and they're going to have to make a decision on him and Sabonis sooner than later (makes no sense to tie up significant money in 2 players who can't log significant minutes together). Also, Garland would make a lot of sense for them.

I'm with you on the Lakers youth. Fair enough, but at least Ball-Holiday-Ingram-Williams is a fit. Under no circumstance is DeRozan.

Neither Ball nor Ingram can shoot. They are awful fits and DeRozan is 10x the player they are.

The decision is on Sabonis for Indy, not Turner. Whether Turner has made all star or not he’s right there. He’s locked.

[JuneJive]

I don't think Griffin goes for DeMar.

[Genovaswitness]

Is PATFO gonna offer demar the max after asking kawhi to take a pay cut?? :lmao

[TD 21]

Neither Ball nor Ingram can shoot. They are awful fits and DeRozan is 10x the player they are.

The decision is on Sabonis for Indy, not Turner. Whether Turner has made all star or not he’s right there. He’s locked.

They're at least willing. Ball showed some progress last season, while Ingram shot it well 2 seasons ago, albeit on low volume. They are also significantly younger than DeRozan. Like I said, I'm not a fan either, but they're the supposed nucleus of the trade, so the real debate is DeRozan vs whatever other "high level player" they can get for #4.

It's either. They'll have to choose one and their preference is not yet known. Maybe they don't really care, so long as they can parlay one into a high level asset and fill a significant need elsewhere, like this potentially could.

[CGD]

Rumor is it's likely either #4 or Kuzma, not both . . .

Lakers receive: Davis
Pelicans receive: DeRozan, Ingram, #6 (via Suns)
Suns receive: Ball
Spurs receive: #4 (via Lakers)

Good chance Garland makes it to #6 in this scenario and that might interest the Pelicans, but with Garland-Holiday-Ingram from 1-3, again DeRozan doesn't fit, at least not long term. Plus, with a point forward like Williamson and to a lesser extent Ingram, they need shooting surrounding them or at least someone willing to shoot 3s in volume, like Ball.

Agree but just thinking of scenario where NOLA demand another 1st (as opposed to Kuz himself). Looks like BOS is engaged and can drive up the cost for LAL.

[Leetonidas]

I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed

[CGD]

I don't think Griffin goes for DeMar.

Fair, but what other solid cost controlled player are they getting? I mean maybe Beal for 4 would be preferable but does WAS do that? Doubt it.

[CGD]

I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed

And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.

[Genovaswitness]

I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed

cutting demar outright would make the team better

[acoelho1]

I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?

[mo7888]

I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?

Batum + bridges + 12 would be tempting but I'd probably still pass

[TD 21]

I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed

This is a virtual pipedream. Not only to clear in excess of $20M to pursue Bogdanovic, as CGD said, but to get the theoretical ideal fit, in Hunter, to add to the young guards (or they could potentially select Culver and squeeze the Cavaliers for another asset to swap).



I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?

I would, but "one of their young players" would have to be either Bridges (I doubt they'd do this) or a top 10-14 protected '21 1st. Monk, Bacon, Hernangomez, Graham, don't cut it.

[SpursBig3s]

And, unsurprisingly, it's the old, balding, slow as fuck one in Indy.

This FO is so out of touch. Then again, it's run by the egotistical motherfucker who preferred that his generational talent only averaged 20 ppg...



A

[Dennis the Menace]

And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.

Make it happen RC

[tbdog]

Is PATFO gonna offer demar the max after asking kawhi to take a pay cut?? :lmao

No. I think DD signs a deal like LMA and it starts early, giving cap relief next season.

[Nivek_ogre]

Please stop bringing up batum. He's just about done as a starter.

[RC_Drunkford]

if this is true than the Spurs are realizinig what a lot of us have been saying ever since DeRozan got here. Like I said for the past 4 months or so: Bogdanovic + any of Thad Young/Marcus Morris/Ariza would give the team a higher ceiling than having DeRozan for the same money.

Not only would the defense be better, but the spacing also. And think about this: Bogdanovic doesn't have a high usage rate. He's an offball player. DeRozan on the other hand needs the ball in his hand and messes up spacing. So Spurs would add Bogdanovic who can produce the same amount of points, while also giving Aldridge more room down low and the DeRozan usage would go to the young guys, i.e. Murray, White and Walker to some extent. This makes a lot of sense being that the Spurs could add another small ball PF (Morris, Young, Ariza).

This probably goes back to the 2018 team which Aldridge carried to basically the same record as the 2019 team with DeRozan.

Now if the Spurs could get #4 that would be huge, but it would be nice if they can also get Kuzma or somebody like TJ Warren. Although I wouldn't like us to help LeBron getting AD, but #4 + a young forward for DeRozan would be good compensation. On that note, ain't Stanley Johnson a NOLA RFA? PATFO has liked him for years

[Leetonidas]

You guys are talking like it's a done deal that Bogdanovic is coming if we can make the room.

I would be disappointed if all we ended up with was only the 4th pick for Derozan. But I'd still do it. Just sucks thinking spurs traded an MVP player for essentially a 4th, a backup bigman, and a 29th pick. But I suppose I need to be realistic. Few teams make sense for Derozan and I doubt any are going to pony up for him

[Degoat]

DeMar for the 4th pick is a no brainer but guys pop trading trading DeMar for a rookie will never happen lol :rollin

[Escawun3]

I think the Wiz could trade Beal, giving their situation

[Dennis the Menace]

I think the Wiz could trade Beal, giving their situation

Lets pray they dont

[CGD]

You guys are talking like it's a done deal that Bogdanovic is coming if we can make the room.

I would be disappointed if all we ended up with was only the 4th pick for Derozan. But I'd still do it. Just sucks thinking spurs traded an MVP player for essentially a 4th, a backup bigman, and a 29th pick. But I suppose I need to be realistic. Few teams make sense for Derozan and I doubt any are going to pony up for him

If they dont get their man or a plan B like Vucevec or Hortford as a LMA replacement, I’m sure they’ll get some value out of that space even if it means taking on a bad deal for a decent future asset (e.g., Butum for a future first).

[bluebellmaniac]

And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.

So effectively George Hill deal turns into Davis Bertans, Jakob, #4, #29, and Bojan.

A nice haul.

[DPG21920]

Look, the biggest hurdle is that this type of deal would mean Pop is aiding LA in getting AD :lol

[Dejounte]

Spurs are not known for big moves like this. It aint happening. Ill go by their track record of keeping players vs trading them.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are not known for big moves like this. It aint happening. Ill go by their track record of keeping players vs trading them.

Yeah in the days of the big 3 because all you needed were plug and play players. Hopefully they get with the times and start making moves because there's still a lot of holes and a glut of guards with some redundancy.

[Nivek_ogre]

I don't see any scenario where Davis goes to the Lakers without the 4th pick being included in a trade to new Orleans. If any pic is included in a three way deal with Phoenix, the best the spurs could do is the 6th pick.

[Nathan89]

I'll be ecstatic if Spurs can flip DeRozan for the 4th pick. Give me some hope of a bright future for the Spurs.

[venitian navigator]

In the big time trade one thing to consider is the teams perpective for next year.
Lakers want the big piece (Davis) and that's their absolute priority
N.O. wants the play offs and for having some chance to it needs a big man to replace Davis production (LMA)
Phoenix wants a real PG that can make the team run considering that's the way his entire roster is gonna play
In this equation, SA could make the choice to go rebuild and go young and make the most they can with draft picks and young players...also if, doing so, the chances to make play offs next season are at risk...but that perspective could push LA, Phoenix and NO (all western conference teams) to go on on such a deal...
This could be the outcome

LA gets A. Davis
Phoenix get Ball +
NO gets De Rozan + Alridge
SA gets 4th + 6th + Kuzma + rights on Stanley Johnson + a ton of cap space (Bojan?)

possible ?

[DavidTheGoliath]

Yes lets replace LMA and DDR with a bunch of rookies, kuzma and bojan :lmao

[timvp]

Look, the biggest hurdle is that this type of deal would mean Pop is aiding LA in getting AD :lol

Yeah, I think this is basically a nonstarter. Pop told Demps to not trade with the Lakers under any circumstances. To go from that to helping the Lakers get Davis is not something I can even imagine happening, tbh.

Besides, I have a hard time believing either DeRozan or Aldridge is the best fit the Pelicans can get for that 4th pick. Neither fit well at all, if we're being honest.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think they will trade LaMarcus. This is all about getting rid of DeMar who's a net negative no matter where he plays. I can't see Pop dealing with the Lakers either, maybe there are other options out there. Clippers, Knicks and Heat used to be interested in him a while back

[tbdog]

Can we just stop with the Spurs involved in a 3 way deal involving Lakers. It isn't happening and we really don't want it to happen. The only player I was interested in was Ingram, but the guy has a blood clot issue, which is something you should tread very carefully for.

[cd021]

I don't think they will trade LaMarcus. This is all about getting rid of DeMar who's a net negative no matter where he plays. I can't see Pop dealing with the Lakers either, maybe there are other options out there. Clippers, Knicks and Heat used to be interested in him a while back

Not 100% sure that this is a legal trade but;

DeRozan and 29 for Ryan Anderson, Olynyk, and 13.

Spurs get rid of DDR, pick up 13 to potiential take Little or Sekou (or someone else), Olynyk is on the books for 2 more years at around 13 million per while Anderson is on a partial.

Based on what I read, he can be traded and then waived before his July 10th deadline and the Spurs would only pay $15.4 of his $21.2, 2019-2020 salary.


For the Heat, they basically turn dead salary into a player that is an East All-star. Obviously, they give up the 13th pick but would have the 29th instead of nothing.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not 100% sure that this is a legal trade but;

DeRozan and 29 for Ryan Anderson, Olynyk, and 13.

Spurs get rid of DDR, pick up 13 to potiential take Little or Sekou (or someone else), Olynyk is on the books for 2 more years at around 13 million per while Anderson is on a partial.

Based on what I read, he can be traded and then waived before his July 10th deadline and the Spurs would only pay $15.4 of his $21.2, 2019-2020 salary.


For the Heat, they basically turn dead salary into a player that is an East All-star. Obviously, they give up the 13th pick but would have the 29th instead of nothing.

that's a terrible trade

[RC_Drunkford]

can somebody explain what the trade exception would do for us if we indeed trade DeRozan for a draft pick? Also I could see the Spurs packaging those picks to make a run at Beal. They apparently wanted him in a Kawhi trade, but Wizards only offered Otto Porter

[tbdog]

I don't think Spurs will package DD and picks for Beal. Beal is a free agent after next season and no guarantee he will resign. And I don't think Beal is enough of a upgrade, in fact I think they are about equal in terms of talent.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think Spurs will package DD and picks for Beal. Beal is a free agent after next season and no guarantee he will resign. And I don't think Beal is enough of a upgrade, in fact I think they are about equal in terms of talent.

no Beal is under contract until 2021, so 2 years. He's also a way better defender, better 3-point shooter and offball player than DeRozan. Just overall a better fit. I know it's a long shot, but honestly the only 2 realistic players that I would trade for are Beal and Covington. Not counting AD cause he wants to go to LA. Rumor is Heat, Pistons, Wizards and Timberwolves are interested in trading down to get 2 picks cause their salary cap makes it tough for them to fill out the roster.

[picnroll]

I think DeMar has FAR less trade value than Spurs fans give him credit for. I’ll be very surprised if the Spurs don’t just ride out his contract and hopefully Murray, White and Walker will have developed to the point they let him go, don’t try to resign him. Ultimately I think it’ll be Poeltl and the 29 for kwitter. C’est la vie.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Spurs are not known for big moves like this. It aint happening. Ill go by their track record of keeping players vs trading them.


I think DeMar has FAR less trade value than Spurs fans give him credit for. I’ll be very surprised if the Spurs don’t just ride out his contract and hopefully Murray, White and Walker will have developed to the point they let him go, don’t try to resign him. Ultimately I think it’ll be Poeltl and the 29 for kwitter. C’est la vie.

Totally agree on both. Now the only splash we might make on draft night is trading #29 and a player (Beli or Bertans) for some 30 year old over hyped player Pop likes. DDR will absolutely be on the team next season.

[CGD]

Look, the biggest hurdle is that this type of deal would mean Pop is aiding LA in getting AD :lol

Fair, but I also think Pops biggest gripe then was the flagrant LAL tampering. Does that soften now that LAL has to compete in the open market? And, does the analysis change if it’s about helping NOLA get what they need (as opposed to helping LAL), a similar small
Market team being extorted by a star player?

[Nivek_ogre]

Nola just got the first pick in the draft. I doubt they want veterans to make the playoffs. They would want young players and draft picks for the future. That 4th pick is theirs. No way the spurs get in on that for a 30 year old derozan

[mo7888]

Nola just got the first pick in the draft. I doubt they want veterans to make the playoffs. They would want young players and draft picks for the future. That 4th pick is theirs. No way the spurs get in on that for a 30 year old derozan

NOLA is the team canvassing the league for an all star using #4 as the piece to get it, so they definitely want to make the playoffs with a veteran.

[CGD]

Nola just got the first pick in the draft. I doubt they want veterans to make the playoffs. They would want young players and draft picks for the future. That 4th pick is theirs. No way the spurs get in on that for a 30 year old derozan

I don’t know.

1. They have a tight profit margin just like Memphis. Sucking seems like a sure path to Seattle.

2. Also they’re committed to Holiday at big dollars for the next 4 years

[bluebellmaniac]

Not 100% sure that this is a legal trade but;

DeRozan and 29 for Ryan Anderson, Olynyk, and 13.

Spurs get rid of DDR, pick up 13 to potiential take Little or Sekou (or someone else), Olynyk is on the books for 2 more years at around 13 million per while Anderson is on a partial.

Based on what I read, he can be traded and then waived before his July 10th deadline and the Spurs would only pay $15.4 of his $21.2, 2019-2020 salary.


For the Heat, they basically turn dead salary into a player that is an East All-star. Obviously, they give up the 13th pick but would have the 29th instead of nothing.

ONLY pay $15.4M?! WTF?!

[monty4329]

I think DeMar has FAR less trade value than Spurs fans give him credit for. I’ll be very surprised if the Spurs don’t just ride out his contract and hopefully Murray, White and Walker will have developed to the point they let him go, don’t try to resign him. Ultimately I think it’ll be Poeltl and the 29 for kwitter. C’est la vie.

The only way DDR has value is if the league realizes that games with 70 3s will be very soon unwatchable and react quickly making DDR game somehow relevant again. Otherwise we must hope in some FO making a Kings-like mistake...

[r0drig0lac]

I think DeMar has FAR less trade value than Spurs fans give him credit for. I’ll be very surprised if the Spurs don’t just ride out his contract and hopefully Murray, White and Walker will have developed to the point they let him go, don’t try to resign him. Ultimately I think it’ll be Poeltl and the 29 for kwitter. C’est la vie.

you're right

[Gamechannel]

The only way we get the #4 for Demar is when the Lakers strike out in the AD sweepstakes and decide to trade the pick for a second star next to LeBron. Demar becomes a much more attractive asset when a team is desperate to stay relevant. Just like the Spurs had become.

[Dejounte]

Yeah in the days of the big 3 because all you needed were plug and play players. Hopefully they get with the times and start making moves because there's still a lot of holes and a glut of guards with some redundancy.

Which theyve consistently addressed that they do not want to make big moves because they want to get that stability and corporate knowledge back. This was in the exit interview with Pop. This was in the draft interview with Buford.

[TimDunkem]

^Corporate knowledge on how to get bounced in the first round?

[cd98]

In the big time trade one thing to consider is the teams perpective for next year.
Lakers want the big piece (Davis) and that's their absolute priority
N.O. wants the play offs and for having some chance to it needs a big man to replace Davis production (LMA)
Phoenix wants a real PG that can make the team run considering that's the way his entire roster is gonna play
In this equation, SA could make the choice to go rebuild and go young and make the most they can with draft picks and young players...also if, doing so, the chances to make play offs next season are at risk...but that perspective could push LA, Phoenix and NO (all western conference teams) to go on on such a deal...
This could be the outcome

LA gets A. Davis
Phoenix get Ball +
NO gets De Rozan + Alridge
SA gets 4th + 6th + Kuzma + rights on Stanley Johnson + a ton of cap space (Bojan?)

possible ?

So NO, with the No. 1 pick in the draft, all of a sudden wants to trade away a top 4 NBA player and get two plus thirty "stars"? NO isn't win now and they can make many trades, including one with Boston, that will get them a roster that is younger and makes the playoffs. You can't trade plus 30 players like LMA and DDR and get equal value. The only teams that want them are ones that are in win now, meaning ones that have a best player that isn't 19 years old. LMA and DDR are most likely to stay on an SA roster as it is in win now as it's best players are +30.

[cd98]

I think DeMar has FAR less trade value than Spurs fans give him credit for. I’ll be very surprised if the Spurs don’t just ride out his contract and hopefully Murray, White and Walker will have developed to the point they let him go, don’t try to resign him. Ultimately I think it’ll be Poeltl and the 29 for kwitter. C’est la vie.

I think Spurs fans undervalue the guy. The guy averaged 21, 6 rebounds, and six assists. Those are credible numbers. Regardless of his "inefficient game," he's not a scrub. He's a legit NBA player that showed high level playmaking skills last year. Now, he's 30, and that does factor into the equation of how long will he be good. But he's not some salary dump. Anyone that sees him as a salary dump or unwanted in the league is just being silly. Maybe no one trades a top 3-4 pick for him, but no way Spurs take anything other than a lottery pick for him.

[weebo]

DD is not going anywhere this year...KD being out pretty much assured that.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DD is not going anywhere this year...KD being out pretty much assured that.

If anything KD being out increases the chances. At least 1 more team with cap space will be looking for a high level player.

[exstatic]

If anything KD being out increases the chances. At least 1 more team with cap space will be looking for a high level player.

Exactly. After the dust settles, there will be a handful of GMs with no prize, remaining cap room, and full-on beer goggles. He can even be sold as a placeholder to wait for Durant next summer.

[CGD]

Exactly. After the dust settles, there will be a handful of GMs with no prize, remaining cap room, and full-on beer goggles. He can even be sold as a placeholder to wait for Durant next summer.

And then there are teams like Dallas. WTF is their plan with all that space?

[weebo]

If anything KD being out increases the chances. At least 1 more team with cap space will be looking for a high level player.

Really? If he's such a high level player, then why get rid of him?

[Trueblood]

[/B]

Really? If he's such a high level player, then why get rid of him?

Because he doesn't fit with LA well and we need to get minutes to our developing backcourt. Don't let that fool you into believing he's not a great player.

[weebo]

Because he doesn't fit with LA well and we need to get minutes to our developing backcourt. Don't let that fool you into believing he's not a great player.

I never said he wasn't great...that's why with KD's injury a guy like DD gives us better odds

[buttsR4rebounding]

I never said he wasn't great...that's why with KD's injury a guy like DD gives us better odds

The Spurs were 5 points better per 100 possessions with DDR on the bench last year. He is a high level player but a bad fit.

[cd98]

Because he doesn't fit with LA well and we need to get minutes to our developing backcourt. Don't let that fool you into believing he's not a great player.

DeRozen can play SF.

[tbdog]

And then there are teams like Dallas. WTF is their plan with all that space?

Vuc and Middleton are on their list. I thought they can only get one unless they dump hardaway.

[Genovaswitness]

DeRozen can play SF.
no he fucking can't :lmao are you high? are you huffing spray paint?

[r0drig0lac]

DeRozen can play SF.

or C

[Dejounte]

DeRozen can play SF.

He can and he actually did. But our defense suffered terribly for it. This is why i dont get the "we need to start DD at SF, Gay at PF, and Aldridge at C" apologists. Youre not actually addressing our defense which was a major issue this year. We need stoppers or to develop ones who can do it at the wing position.

[timvp]

I mean, don't you have to trade DeMar if for no other reason than to try to escape from the shadow on Neph's ring? DeRozan is no longer DeRozan; he's the consolation prize the Spurs got for gifting a championship to the Raptors.

Fresh start makes sense for both sides, tbh, imo.

[RD2191]

Can someone check on Demar for fucks sakes?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I mean, don't you have to trade DeMar if for no other reason than to try to escape from the shadow on Neph's ring? DeRozan is no longer DeRozan; he's the consolation prize the Spurs got for gifting a championship to the Raptors.

Fresh start makes sense for both sides, tbh, imo.

And trade him for what? He's untradeable, no team would be dumb enough to trade for a player like him.

[look_at_g_shred]

Hey DeMar, how’d you like to go home?

[Dejounte]

I mean, don't you have to trade DeMar if for no other reason than to try to escape from the shadow on Neph's ring? DeRozan is no longer DeRozan; he's the consolation prize the Spurs got for gifting a championship to the Raptors.

Fresh start makes sense for both sides, tbh, imo.

Do you have insider info and confirm theyre looking into trading him?

[Russ]

I mean, don't you have to trade DeMar if for no other reason than to try to escape from the shadow on Neph's ring? DeRozan is no longer DeRozan; he's the consolation prize the Spurs got for gifting a championship to the Raptors.

Fresh start makes sense for both sides, tbh, imo.

Add the fact that DDR will always associate the Spurs with the loss of something he feels he should have had.

A separation, if reasonable, makes some sense . . .

[timvp]

Do you have insider info and confirm theyre looking into trading him?

No, I haven't heard anything either way regarding trading DeRozan, tbh.

[Degoat]

It’s not gonna happen guys :bang

[DPG21920]

Do you have insider info and confirm theyre looking into trading him?

I do. Spurs are definitely open to moving him and an extension is unlikely. Not impossible but unlikely. Then it’s a chicken and egg thing. Do you move DeRozan because an extension is unlikely or is an extension unlikely because you want to move him.

It’s a little of both. But SA isn’t going to just dump him. It has to be a deal that satisfies needs and nets them something worth “punting” a season over

But then I again I wouldn’t say I personally have sources. More tea leaves.

[DAF86]

I mean, don't you have to trade DeMar if for no other reason than to try to escape from the shadow on Neph's ring? DeRozan is no longer DeRozan; he's the consolation prize the Spurs got for gifting a championship to the Raptors.

Fresh start makes sense for both sides, tbh, imo.

How much more entertaining it would be to see Murray, White, Walker, Bertans, Poeltl, whoever we get on the draft battling it out out there instead of the uglyball we have had to suffer these past two seasons?

[Immortal Spur]

100% i'm ready for a fresh start. don't want LMA or DeMar anymore man... tired of being let down every year

[NASpurs]

100% i'm ready for a fresh start. don't want LMA or DeMar anymore man... tired of being let down every year

You know shit is bad when “real fan” raybies is tired of some players.

[r0drig0lac]

Can someone check on Demar for fucks sakes?

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif



Add the fact that DDR will always associate the Spurs with the loss of something he feels he should have had.

A separation, if reasonable, makes some sense . . .

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif

[Immortal Spur]

You know shit is bad when “real fan” raybies (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42684) is tired of some players.
well bruh, they ain't no Tim, Manu, or Parker or Drob for that matter. I don't think they are players you can build around and logically or reasonably come to the conclusion that they can win it all. We had all time greats... generational players.. and now we have humans..