Google Stadia. Games on demand. [Archive]

midnightpulp

06-09-2019, 10:52 PM

Looks like Microsoft announced their own games streaming service, as well. Amazon is also playing with the idea.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/09/microsoft-unveils-deep-dive-into-cloud-gaming-with-its-own-google-stadia-competitor.html

I'm not particularly excited about this since I think streaming services are shit for everything except television shows. Streaming services ironically restrict choice since you're at the mercy of what the service decides to feature. Content on these services can appear and disappear without warning, so if you signed up for a particular service because they had a great 70s action movie and Film Noir selection or something, there always looms a danger of it completely disappearing overnight.

Everyone loves the supposedly low price and convenience of these services, but the end road of the streaming model will result in pretty much every notable content provider having their own service, i.e. HBO streaming, AMC streaming, and whoever owns the rights to the thousands upon thousands of classic films having their own dedicated streaming service to feature such, like a 20th Century Fox Classics service. It will happen and is already happening, with Disney developing their own service. So when Universal wants to start their own service, you think they're going to give content to Netflix and Amazon for a low license fee? Or even offer it?

Same thing will happen to gaming if the streaming model takes. Ubisoft streaming, Bethesda streaming, Activision streaming, Rockstar streaming etc. Developers and publishers rely on sales obviously to make money and whatever paltry licensing fees Google or Microsoft are going to offer won't be close to what the publisher can make off a physical/digital sale. What I can see happening is Google buying up talented development houses like hotcakes.

And from a technical perspective, it won't work as promised. 4K at 60fps lag free. Yeah, okay :lol

baseline bum

06-09-2019, 11:49 PM

I have no interest in game rentals when gaming is so cheap these days. It was a must when I was a kid and games were expensive but now? No way.

Reck

06-09-2019, 11:54 PM

spurraider21

06-10-2019, 12:40 AM

Services like Stadia and any other company who wants to try this will go nowhere with giants like Sony and Microsoft controlling most of the gaming industry.

If both Sony and Microsoft say no to them as far as giving them right to have their exclusive games (Which they won't allow), then those company will have to rely on shitty 3rd tier games and what would happen is those other free lance gaming company will ask for an arm and a leg to have their games be hosted on their platforms.
:lol "microsoft exclusives"...

Halo isn't what it used to be with free battle royale games dominating the FPS market
Gears is good
Forza... oh no we can't get rights to forza? oh well we'll just get rights to the other dozen equally good racing games

if google starts making high quality first party games, they'd probably leap xbox tbh.

my main concern with stadia is what mid mentioned, quality of your gaming experience will be subject to internet connectivity/strength which is prone to spikes and issues. and not everybody pays good money for high speed internet

midnightpulp

06-10-2019, 11:42 PM

:lol "microsoft exclusives"...

Halo isn't what it used to be with free battle royale games dominating the FPS market
Gears is good
Forza... oh no we can't get rights to forza? oh well we'll just get rights to the other dozen equally good racing games

if google starts making high quality first party games, they'd probably leap xbox tbh.

my main concern with stadia is what mid mentioned, quality of your gaming experience will be subject to internet connectivity/strength which is prone to spikes and issues. and not everybody pays good money for high speed internet

It's going to be a task. You encounter about a 5ms-20ms ping connected to your closest ISP server, which will then have to connect to Google Stadia's server, introducing another 5ms-20ms ping. So right off, you're at 10ms of lag best case scenario, which isn't realistic since those low pings are usually achieved under speedtest conditions which aren't performed under any substantial data load. A simple button press will now have to travel miles to Stadia's cloud server with the corresponding action having to be sent miles back to you to finally be rendered on your television (and modern tvs even in game mode add another 10-20ms of lag).

I'm thinking the process will, at best, take about 100ms. Okay for casual games, but anything needing precision will be tough to play.

spurraider21

06-10-2019, 11:46 PM

It's going to be a task. You encounter about a 5ms-20ms ping connected to your closest ISP server, which will then have to connect to Google Stadia's server, introducing another 5ms-20ms ping. So right off, you're at 10ms of lag best case scenario, which isn't realistic since those low pings are usually achieved under speedtest conditions which aren't performed under any substantial data load. A simple button press will now have to travel miles to Stadia's cloud server with the corresponding action having to be sent miles back to you to finally be rendered on your television (and modern tvs even in game mode add another 10-20ms of lag).

I'm thinking the process will, at best, take about 100ms. Okay for casual games, but anything needing precision will be tough to play.
and some lag/issues are expected when playing online multiplayer games. but people are gonna have to deal with this shit when playing some single player campaign too

apalisoc_9

06-12-2019, 11:03 AM

Reck

06-12-2019, 03:55 PM

This is bad for sony.

Sure sony might still be the most profitble gaming company but Amazon and Google will take a decent chunk of their business.

The issue is that sony is heavily reliant on the gaming industry while Microsoft, Amazon, Google..its only a smaller part of their business.

This hardly would affect them. They could shutter their streaming services and still be way ahead in terms of not losing money.

With their Playstation Now service (Which is a ripoff anyways) they're only making money. They're not depending on that to keep afloat. It's more of an extra money revenue.

I tried that once it I had a not so good experience. The lagging, bugs and all that comes with an online dependent service is just not worth it right now.

midnightpulp

06-12-2019, 04:51 PM

baseline bum

06-12-2019, 06:14 PM

Sony should be fine since their gaming business model is built around exclusives. People buy Playstation for God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc.

The exclusives are just there to get you to pick the platform while the real money comes from them getting 30 cents on the dollar for every Call of Duty, FIFA, NBA 2k, Madden, Battlefield, etc. sale, including microtransactions. The great non-monetized single player exclusives won't make sense financially for Sony if people are playing the big money makers on Stadia.

midnightpulp

09-23-2019, 10:12 PM

Beta coming in November, with a full release scheduled in 2020. Promising 60fps at 4k with full 7.1 surround at 35mbps. :lol. I'll believe that when I see it. I have nearly 500mbps speed and still suffer lag for the most basic browsing activity.

https://www.gamesradar.com/google-stadia-release-date-price-games-controller/

Reck

11-26-2019, 06:37 AM

:lol face planted right outta the gates.

RIP

ElNono

11-26-2019, 07:12 AM

Macroblock compression is going to be a huge problem for them...

vander

11-26-2019, 12:39 PM

Sony should be fine since their gaming business model is built around exclusives. People buy Playstation for God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc.

PS now is pretty great, I can't believe I never heard of it till recently, gonna be able to play most of those great Playstation exclusives for just $60.

midnightpulp

02-10-2020, 12:02 AM

Think this thing is a flop. Thank Christ. Streaming services for any entertainment medium are cancer. The fewer the better.

apalisoc_9

02-10-2020, 02:22 AM

Think this thing is a flop. Thank Christ. Streaming services for any entertainment medium are cancer. The fewer the better.

Not the right time.. But calling it cancer is a stretch. No one really knows yet if stream gaming is decent or not until we get a full picture

midnightpulp

02-10-2020, 02:48 AM

Not the right time.. But calling it cancer is a stretch. No one really knows yet if stream gaming is decent or not until we get a full picture

Even if the quality is fine, steaming services are a cancer because they give content providers more leverage in the producer/consumer relationship. When streaming, you're forever "renting," and content providers can choose what to host and remove on a whim. The streaming service model will also inevitably lead to a total fracturing of everything. You just won't need Netflix and Amazon to watch all your favorite shows and movies, you're going to eventually need Disney streaming, HBO streaming, Universal streaming, and so on and on. Same thing will happen with gaming. Blizzard Streaming, Ubisoft Streaming, Sony Streaming, Rockstar Streaming, From Software Streaming, etc. And Nvidia has just announced their competing streaming service, so it's already happening :lol.

apalisoc_9

02-10-2020, 03:44 AM

Even if the quality is fine, steaming services are a cancer because they give content providers more leverage in the producer/consumer relationship. When streaming, you're forever "renting," and content providers can choose what to host and remove on a whim. The streaming service model will also inevitably lead to a total fracturing of everything. You just won't need Netflix and Amazon to watch all your favorite shows and movies, you're going to eventually need Disney streaming, HBO streaming, Universal streaming, and so on and on. Same thing will happen with gaming. Blizzard Streaming, Ubisoft Streaming, Sony Streaming, Rockstar Streaming, From Software Streaming, etc. And Nvidia has just announced their competing streaming service, so it's already happening :lol.

Good for some consumers. If Rockstar offering 9.99 a month and i expect to play two full games in a year from them....Doesnt sound like a bad deal.

apalisoc_9

02-10-2020, 03:48 AM

plus you can cheat now. Buy 3 months of service worth 27.99 Play the full game and cancel

midnightpulp

02-10-2020, 06:02 AM

Good for some consumers. If Rockstar offering 9.99 a month and i expect to play two full games in a year from them....Doesnt sound like a bad deal.

It's a bad deal because streaming will offer worse quality and gameplay (the lag issue won't be easily solved), requires you to always be online, you never own the game, and cuts out the used game market, where single player titles like GTA or Red Dead can be bought for under 20.00 in a couple of months after release.

Oh, and they'll get around people signing up for a couple of months, playing the biggest releases, and then cancelling by either requiring people to sign up for 6 months minimum or actually charging for new releases. Sure, the small 9.99 month fee will get you unlimited access to the back catalog, but expect to pay for whatever the company's hot new game is. That's actually how Stadia works. 9.99 per month, but not every game will be available for free. Here's the list. You see you still have to pay full price for newer games and get 2013 games and such like Tomb Raider for "free" with your membership.

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-stadia-games-list-995367/

baseline bum

02-10-2020, 10:05 AM

Once gaming goes straight streaming I'm checking out of playing new shit. I hate the idea of not owning my games.

midnightpulp

02-11-2020, 02:20 AM

Once gaming goes straight streaming I'm checking out of playing new shit. I hate the idea of not owning my games.

Yeah, it's a shitty model, but people erringly think streaming of any kind somehow liberates you from cable companies, record companies, or whatever else. It doesn't. If the cord cutting apocalypse eventually happens, the response from content providers will simply be to have a dedicated streaming service for every channel. So instead of paying 130ish month for all your CBSes, NBCs, Foxes, ESPNs, MLB, NBA, NFL networks, A&Es, AMCs, History Channels and so on, you'll have to pay 9.99 per month each for probably 20 different streaming services depending on what you watch. Millennials are tv show addicts, so they're going to get burned the most when the eventual response against their cord cutting happens :lol. Like so:

But the cord-cutting practice is starting to backfire. What was once a movement against corporate greed has become an opportunity for movie studio moguls to fleece customers with the allure of original content.
The latest streaming service is Disney Plus. It hit the market Nov. 12 and promised access to collections from Fox, Pixar, Marvel and National Geographic, all the while allowing subscribers to stream on multiple devices.

https://www.clintonnewsrecord.com/opinion/columnists/cutting-the-cord-on-cable-is-starting-to-backfire

Reck

02-11-2020, 02:34 AM

Once gaming goes straight streaming I'm checking out of playing new shit. I hate the idea of not owning my games.

Does Sony not lock your games up if you're not online?

Been noticing that games I buy off the store have a lock beneath the title of a game while I'm offline. Horsehit.

140

02-11-2020, 03:26 AM

CODEX has had games on demand for years, I'll stick with them tbh

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 08:00 AM

Yeah, it's a shitty model, but people erringly think streaming of any kind somehow liberates you from cable companies, record companies, or whatever else. It doesn't. If the cord cutting apocalypse eventually happens, the response from content providers will simply be to have a dedicated streaming service for every channel. So instead of paying 130ish month for all your CBSes, NBCs, Foxes, ESPNs, MLB, NBA, NFL networks, A&Es, AMCs, History Channels and so on, you'll have to pay 9.99 per month each for probably 20 different streaming services depending on what you watch. Millennials are tv show addicts, so they're going to get burned the most when the eventual response against their cord cutting happens :lol. Like so:

https://www.clintonnewsrecord.com/opinion/columnists/cutting-the-cord-on-cable-is-starting-to-backfire

I don't know why anyone would expect cord-cutting to be cheaper if they want access to every channel. The argument I have always heard is people hate being stuck with huge bundles. Of course a lot of people are morons who just say they hate bundles because they're expensive but still want all the content. I don't buy Millennials are TV addicts, certainly not at the level Gen X'ers or especially Boomers are.

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 08:03 AM

Does Sony not lock your games up if you're not online?

Been noticing that games I buy off the store have a lock beneath the title of a game while I'm offline. Horsehit.

Did you upgrade your hard drive? I had that happen at first after switching out my 500GB drive for 1TB drive. I think the reason was because it all of a sudden thought my account wasn't the main account on the system. So after I went and fixed that I was able to again play my digital games without having my PS4 connected to the network. But your games absolutely have to be bought on the system's primary account to play offline.

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 08:06 AM

CODEX has had games on demand for years, I'll stick with them tbh

Supposedly the newest Denuvo is a bastard to crack. Hence no Jedi Fallen Order crack that fixes the Denuvo bomb keeping it from launching on January 1st, 2020 or later (though there are a couple of workarounds for it). And then RDR2 which doesn't even use Denuvo has gone more than three months without a crack. Dark times on the high seas right now tbh.

Reck

02-11-2020, 05:29 PM

Did you upgrade your hard drive? I had that happen at first after switching out my 500GB drive for 1TB drive. I think the reason was because it all of a sudden thought my account wasn't the main account on the system. So after I went and fixed that I was able to again play my digital games without having my PS4 connected to the network. But your games absolutely have to be bought on the system's primary account to play offline.

Nah I still have the shitty 500gb on the PS4 came with and I only have one account with them so I dont know what the deal is. Haven't been a problem thus far for me because my internet is solid and wired but in the case something happens like when they got hacked, I'd be fucked.

What exactly did you do to fix it? Do you have more than 1 account profile?

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 05:32 PM

Nah I still have the shitty 500gb on the PS4 came with and I only have one account with them so I dont know what the deal is. Haven't been a problem thus far for me because my internet is solid and wired but in the case something happens like when they got hacked, I'd be fucked.

What exactly did you do to fix it? Do you have more than 1 account profile?

Some setting about making sure my account was the primary one on the console if I remember right. Probably worth getting in contact with Playstation's online tech support, I imagine it shows up a lot and their online hep / callcenter scripts have a quick fix.

140

02-11-2020, 05:52 PM

Supposedly the newest Denuvo is a bastard to crack. Hence no Jedi Fallen Order crack that fixes the Denuvo bomb keeping it from launching on January 1st, 2020 or later (though there are a couple of workarounds for it). And then RDR2 which doesn't even use Denuvo has gone more than three months without a crack. Dark times on the high seas right now tbh.

Yeah that's a concern tbh. I'm hoping the RDR2 issue gets fixed by the time I get a new GPU :lol

What you mean about Fallen Order though? I've been playing it with no problems

Reck

02-11-2020, 05:59 PM

Some setting about making sure my account was the primary one on the console if I remember right. Probably worth getting in contact with Playstation's online tech support, I imagine it shows up a lot and their online hep / callcenter scripts have a quick fix.

Well I feel dumb as fuck.

https://i.imgur.com/XVRmOYi.jpg

Just as easy as activating my PS4. Odd though because it said I had "another" PS4 as my primary and this has been the only PS4 I have ever had. Maybe a conflict with PS3? I still use that to watch movies and shit like that.

Anyways, tested it and I can now go into games offline. Thanks broski. :lol

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 06:18 PM

Well I feel dumb as fuck.

https://i.imgur.com/XVRmOYi.jpg

Just as easy as activating my PS4. Odd though because it said I had "another" PS4 as my primary and this has been the only PS4 I have ever had. Maybe a conflict with PS3? I still use that to watch movies and shit like that.

Anyways, tested it and I can now go into games offline. Thanks broski. :lol

Maybe a firmware update deactivated it? I couldn't believe it was something so simple when it happened to me too lol.

baseline bum

02-11-2020, 06:19 PM

Yeah that's a concern tbh. I'm hoping the RDR2 issue gets fixed by the time I get a new GPU :lol

What you mean about Fallen Order though? I've been playing it with no problems

Are you playing on Windows 7 or 8.1? I heard the problem is on Windows 10, but it can be bypassed by either changing the system clock to a date in 2019 or before or by running the game as admin in Windows 8 compatibility mode.

140

02-11-2020, 06:22 PM

Are you playing on Windows 7 or 8.1? I heard the problem is on Windows 10, but it can be bypassed by either changing the system clock to a date in 2019 or before or by running the game as admin in Windows 8 compatibility mode.

Win 10. Didn't have to do any workarounds either, just installed it and played tbh

midnightpulp

02-11-2020, 07:10 PM

I don't know why anyone would expect cord-cutting to be cheaper if they want access to every channel. The argument I have always heard is people hate being stuck with huge bundles. Of course a lot of people are morons who just say they hate bundles because they're expensive but still want all the content. I don't buy Millennials are TV addicts, certainly not at the level Gen X'ers or especially Boomers are.

I should've probably clarified TV show addicts. They're the demo driving the great popularity of shows like Stranger Things, Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, etc and watch all the new content Amazon, Netflix etc releases.

ElNono

02-01-2021, 08:25 PM

Google is shutting down its Stadia game studios

https://www.engadget.com/google-stadia-game-studios-shut-down-montreal-los-angeles-201811811.html

well, that didn't last...

Reck

02-01-2021, 08:39 PM

Google is shutting down its Stadia game studios

https://www.engadget.com/google-stadia-game-studios-shut-down-montreal-los-angeles-201811811.html

well, that didn't last...

Services like Stadia and any other company who wants to try this will go nowhere with giants like Sony and Microsoft controlling most of the gaming industry.

If both Sony and Microsoft say no to them as far as giving them right to have their exclusive games (Which they won't allow), then those company will have to rely on shitty 3rd tier games and what would happen is those other free lance gaming company will ask for an arm and a leg to have their games be hosted on their platforms.

According to Harrison, Google believes working with developers and publishers to bring third-party games to the platform is the "best path to building Stadia into a long-term, sustainable business."

Nailed that shit. :lol

wtf is orcs must die? :lol