Rank these players All time

[apalisoc_9]

DWade
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Dirk
KG
Karl Malone
Barkley
Robinson



Imo

Curry
Dirk
Dwade
Durant
KG
Kawhi
Karl Malone
Robinson
Barkley

[spurraider21]

Durant
KG
Wade
Curry
Kawhi
Barkley
Dirk
Malone

[apalisoc_9]

How is KG higher than Curry?

[K...]

How is KG higher than Curry?

i'd assume weed but i don't know

[Kawhitstorm]

How is KG higher than Curry?

As far as postseason performance career is concerned, Kawhi is ahead of KG. Dude got owned by soft ass MVPau in the 2010 Finals when Perkins/Fat Baby/Powe/PJ Brown couldn't save him.:lol

[spurraider21]

How is KG higher than Curry?
ST shits on KG because its full of duncan/dirk fans tbh. the gap between garnett and duncan wasn't as big as we like to think, and KG's career was hampered by minnesota's shitty rosters than anything. one of the GOAT two way players. he's criminally underrated here imo. a borderline point forward with multiple seasons averaging over 5 assists and even averaged 6. his game would also translate to today quite easily because of his ability to switch on defense. imagine him being a modern center. you also know that given his shooting ability, if he played today, he'd develop a decent 3 point shot as well

all the older bigs who had 2 point jump shots have extended their range to 3... pau/marc gasol, serge ibaka, brook lopez. would be silly to assume that KG woulnd't have as well

[spurraider21]

As far as postseason performance career is concerned, Kawhi is ahead of KG. Dude got owned by soft ass MVPau in the 2010 Finals when Perkins/Fat Baby/Powe/PJ Brown couldn't save him.:lol



KG was declining and 34 years old, while MVPau was at his peak. compare that to the 2008 finals. that's where "Paussy" was born

[lefty]

:lol Curry in a top 10

[JohnnyMax]

Kawhi
DWade
KG
Barkley
Karl Malone
Durant
Robinson
Curry
Dirk

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf is kg so high up the lists, he didnt do shit as a 1 man team like the other players on the lists, puts up empty stats

[Spurtacular]

DWade
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Dirk
KG
Karl Malone
Barkley
Robinson



Imo

Curry
Dirk
Dwade
Durant
KG
Kawhi
Karl Malone
Robinson
Barkley

Very low fan IQ, tbh.

[resistanze]

DWade
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Dirk
KG
Karl Malone
Barkley
Robinson



Imo

Curry
Dirk
Dwade
Durant
KG
Kawhi
Karl Malone
Robinson
Barkley

Dirk
Durant
Wade
Curry
KG
Barkley
Robinson
Malone
Kawhi

[phxspurfan]

DWade
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Dirk
KG
Karl Malone
Barkley
Robinson






1. TD




2.

Dirk

3-

Wade
KG
Barkley
Robinson
Malone
Durant
Curry
Kawhi





'tbh

[phxspurfan]

ST shits on KG because its full of duncan/dirk fans tbh. the gap between garnett and duncan wasn't as big as we like to think, and KG's career was hampered by minnesota's shitty rosters
all the older bigs who had 2 point jump shots have extended their range to 3... pau/marc gasol, serge ibaka, brook lopez. would be silly to assume that KG woulnd't have as well

uh no. KG didn't have the bball IQ to win like Duncan had, and didn't have the killer instinct Dirk had. He was a street baller turned NBA player with freak athleticism/length. He had great defense though. So just totally different players, the only similarity was the position they played and their height

Put Prime Dirk or Prime TD on a shitty team and they make at least the conference finals in their day (see the 02 Spurs or the Mavs after Nash left, with Devin Harris as their #2). Put KD on a shitty team (most of those Wolves teams except the 03-04 ensemble) and they don't sniff the later playoff rounds against the same competition

[R. DeMurre]

:lol a few years ago, you were arguing that Westbrook was better than Curry.

[BlackAndWhite]

KG is a Anthony Davis like player.

[FrostKing]

Difficult list


Top: Malone, Barkley, Dirk and Durant

Middle: Robinson and Leonard

Bottom: Wade, Curry and KG

[turkish spurs fan]

kg
dirk
kawhi
wade
robinson
barkley
durant
curry

[dbreiden83080]

Malone
Dirk
Robinson
Wade
KG
Barkley
Durant
Number 2
Curry

I put Malone 1 for his amazing consistency. 14 time all star, 14 all NBA teams, 2 league MVP's, his great D and he retired 2nd all time in Scoring. Maybe the most underrated legend ever because of no rings. But he lost to MJ twice..

Durant is way down the list because I don't reward him joining the 73 win bandwagon..

[D-Wade]

Karl Malone
Kevin Durant
Dwyane Tyrone Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Kawhi Leonard
Stephen Curry
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
David Robinson

[apalisoc_9]

Wow.

Curry is super underrated :lol

Sad.

[endrity]

Kawhi is so difficult all-time, he has the most important parts of the resume but he has to get the all-time scoring numbers and all-stars and MVPs. His will be a very weird career to rank to be fair if he doesn't get a solid 5-6 seasons of MVP level play. So I'll go with:

Dirk
Kawhi (might very well be first in a couple of years, both of his rings are legendary)
Curry
DWade (if not for '06 refs he probably goes behind Durant on this list, but history is what it is right now)
Karl Malone (he needed offensive help more than most, but he probably would have had a ring if not for Jordan. Still, should have beat him in '98 though)
Durant (this was difficult but I'll take the Mailman's consistency and loyalty over Durant's).
Robinson
Barkley (arguably a higher peak than Robinson, but his latter years were awful)
KG

p.s Sorry but KG barely belongs on this list. If you can't be the number one offensive player on a championship team, you just can't compete with all-time legends. It has become abundantly clear now, that the unique skill that defines championship franchise players is the ability to take, and make, difficult shots consistently in the latter rounds of the playoffs. If you can't do that, you are putting your team in a very difficult position financially because essentially they have go and get an alpha scorer with the second slot of the payroll - and this usually happens with veterans willing to sacrifice.

KG's offensive game was nowhere near that planet.

[dbreiden83080]

Kawhi is so difficult all-time, he has the most important parts of the resume but he has to get the all-time scoring numbers and all-stars and MVPs. His will be a very weird career to rank to be fair if he doesn't get a solid 5-6 seasons of MVP level play.

Yeah Leonard is not going to be one of those guys that retires with great numbers. He still way under 20 points per game. And his total points are also going to be far lower than most guys in the Hall of Fame. However in terms of the rings, finals MVPs, all NBA selections, accolades like defensive player of the year. He already has a Hall of Fame resume.

[endrity]

Yeah Leonard is not going to be one of those guys that retires with great numbers. He still way under 20 points per game. And his total points are also going to be far lower than most guys in the Hall of Fame. However in terms of the rings, finals MVPs, all NBA selections, accolades like defensive player of the year. He already has a Hall of Fame resume.

The strange thing about this is that Kawhi has truly developed into a historically good tough shot maker. It's a weird blend of raw power and balance, but he killed every team this year in that 10-15 feet range and no one could stop him. That's a sign of all-time greatness, and easily comparable to MJ, Kobe, LBJ, KD (T-Mac too, if not for that back..).

It would be very strange if he ends up with pedestrian career averages since he has shown to be an amazing scorer actually.

[Kawhitstorm]

uh no. KG didn't have the bball IQ to win like Duncan had, and didn't have the killer instinct Dirk had. He was a street baller turned NBA player with freak athleticism/length. He had great defense though. So just totally different players, the only similarity was the position they played and their height

Put Prime Dirk or Prime TD on a shitty team and they make at least the conference finals in their day (see the 02 Spurs or the Mavs after Nash left, with Devin Harris as their #2). Put KD on a shitty team (most of those Wolves teams except the 03-04 ensemble) and they don't sniff the later playoff rounds against the same competition

Put some respek in Jason Eugene Terry's name:nope (Howard/Terry/Harris vs. TOSB Sprewell/Cassell)

BTW, Devin Harris outplayed PRIME Porker in the '06 series.:lol

[FrostKing]

Lebron will fall into this group of players if he doesn't cash in with at-least 3 more Titles

[FkLA]

ST shits on KG because its full of duncan/dirk fans tbh. the gap between garnett and duncan wasn't as big as we like to think, and KG's career was hampered by minnesota's shitty rosters than anything. one of the GOAT two way players. he's criminally underrated here imo. a borderline point forward with multiple seasons averaging over 5 assists and even averaged 6. his game would also translate to today quite easily because of his ability to switch on defense. imagine him being a modern center. you also know that given his shooting ability, if he played today, he'd develop a decent 3 point shot as well

all the older bigs who had 2 point jump shots have extended their range to 3... pau/marc gasol, serge ibaka, brook lopez. would be silly to assume that KG woulnd't have as well

:tu

In the early-mid 2000s, the unquestioned top two PFs were always Timmy and KG. Even Webber, before the injuries, was more highly regarded than Dirk. After 2008, career wise, KG was light years ahead of Dirk. 2011 happens and suddenly Spurstalk wants to rewrite history and act like Dirk wasn't considered a soft choker for most of his career.

[endrity]

:tu

In the early-mid 2000s, the unquestioned top two PFs were always Timmy and KG. Even Webber, before the injuries, was more highly regarded than Dirk. After 2008, career wise, KG was light years ahead of Dirk. 2011 happens and suddenly Spurstalk wants to rewrite history and act like Dirk wasn't considered a soft choker for most of his career.

In the early 2000s, a young Dirk was whopping KG's older and more experienced ass in the playoffs. In the mid 2000s, Dirk was getting 3 straight All-NBA First Team selections while KG was not in the playoffs. Dirk was again a All-NBA first team selection in 09, and second in 2010 and 2011 as people were a bit more in love with the new shiny toy, KD, who Dirk whopped in the playoffs.

So yeah, if it wasn't for a very fortunate superteam scenario emerging in 08 for KG, it's pretty clear that Dirk's accomplishments a franchise player were quite superior.

[FrostKing]

:tu

In the early-mid 2000s, the unquestioned top two PFs were always Timmy and KG. Even Webber, before the injuries, was more highly regarded than Dirk. After 2008, career wise, KG was light years ahead of Dirk. 2011 happens and suddenly Spurstalk wants to rewrite history and act like Dirk wasn't considered a soft choker for most of his career.
KG had the more consistent career but Dirk higher ceiling.

I mean whose career would you personally prefer? Dirk is Dallas basketball and KG isn't even Paul Pierce in Boston

[FkLA]

In the early 2000s, a young Dirk was whopping KG's older and more experienced ass in the playoffs. In the mid 2000s, Dirk was getting 3 straight All-NBA First Team selections while KG was not in the playoffs. Dirk was again a All-NBA first team selection in 09, and second in 2010 and 2011 as people were a bit more in love with the new shiny toy, KD, who Dirk whopped in the playoffs.

So yeah, if it wasn't for a very fortunate superteam scenario emerging in 08 for KG, it's pretty clear that Dirk's accomplishments a franchise player were quite superior.

You're a homer. You only mention KG's teammates to disparage his '08 title but make no mention of his poor casts in Minny. He struggled for so long to get out of the first round because his best teammates were guys like Troy Hudson and Wally Sczerbiak. I can't think of many high end role players that he had either. I remember Trenton Hassell was supposed to be their Bowen but he was actually just a scrub. The one year he did have a solid cast with Cassell and Spreewell he reached the WCF.

It was always Timmy and KG to everyone other than Mavs homers. That's the truth.

[spurraider21]

You're a homer. You only mention KG's teammates to disparage his '08 title but make no mention of his poor casts in Minny. He struggled for so long to get out of the first round because his best teammates were guys like Troy Hudson and Wally Sczerbiak. I can't think of many high end role players that he had either. I remember Trenton Hassell was supposed to be their Bowen but he was actually just a scrub. The one year he did have a solid cast with Cassell and Spreewell he reached the WCF.

It was always Timmy and KG to everyone other than Mavs homers. That's the truth.
imagine having such a shit cast throughout your career that sprewell/cassell was considered his one chance to do anything :lol

[endrity]

You're a homer. You only mention KG's teammates to disparage his '08 title but make no mention of his poor casts in Minny. He struggled for so long to get out of the first round because his best teammates were guys like Troy Hudson and Wally Sczerbiak. I can't think of many high end role players that he had either. I remember Trenton Hassell was supposed to be their Bowen but he was actually just a scrub. The one year he did have a solid cast with Cassell and Spreewell he reached the WCF.

It was always Timmy and KG to everyone other than Mavs homers. That's the truth.

It certainly was to many at the beginning of the 2000s because to many that is what a typical superstar looked like in the post-Jordan NBA.

And please go look at the roster that a 30 year old Dirk carried to the second round in 2009, and then tell me about bad teammates.

[spurraider21]

It certainly was to many at the beginning of the 2000s because to many that is what a typical superstar looked like in the post-Jordan NBA.

And please go look at the roster that a 30 year old Dirk carried to the second round in 2009, and then tell me about bad teammates.
:lmao

dirk in the early 2000's had Finley/Nash, and shawn bradley who was always good defensive player. sprinkle in random years with nick van exel, antawn jamison.

for fucks sake the josh howard that dirk played with was better than the 33 year old TOSB version of sprewell who became KG's best teammate of his career in minnesota

their casts were not comparable at all. they both were 4 time all nba first teamers. dirk never sniffed an all defensive team while KG made 12 of them. its true that KG only won after going to the celtics to form the big 3, but dirk only won when he played on a team perfectly constructed to address his defensive deficiencies with chandler/marion/kidd/stevenson, and good bench players in terry/barea/peja. its true that dirk was a monster those playoffs, but he shot like 41% in the finals and the cast did pick up a lot of slack. that the best year of his career wasn't even during his prime tells you that the team around him was pretty impactful

[FrostKing]

http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LeBron-asking-for-help.jpg

[spurraider21]

dirk's 2011 run was pretty fucking awesome, but :lol at using that to rewrite his entire career

[FkLA]

:lmao

dirk in the early 2000's had Finley/Nash, and shawn bradley who was always good defensive player. sprinkle in random years with nick van exel, antawn jamison.

for fucks sake the josh howard that dirk played with was better than the 33 year old TOSB version of sprewell who became KG's best teammate of his career in minnesota

their casts were not comparable at all. they both were 4 time all nba first teamers. dirk never sniffed an all defensive team while KG made 12 of them. its true that KG only won after going to the celtics to form the big 3, but dirk only won when he played on a team perfectly constructed to address his defensive deficiencies with chandler/marion/kidd/stevenson, and good bench players in terry/barea/peja. its true that dirk was a monster those playoffs, but he shot like 41% in the finals and the cast did pick up a lot of slack. that the best year of his career wasn't even during his prime tells you that the team around him was pretty impactful

Terry, Dampier, Stackhouse, Daniels, Antoine Walker, JJ Barea, Butler, etc

Far from superteams but also not comparable to guys like Rasho, Trent, Peeler, Jaric, Olowokandi, Blount, etc :lol

That 2011 team is also underrated in the sense that it didn't have a 2nd guy that was a bonafide all-star (although JET stepped up big time) but it was full of former stars turned high end role players. I don't think it was comparable to Dream's or Timmy's runs as far as amount of load carried goes like Mavs fans like to claim.

[endrity]

:lmao

dirk in the early 2000's had Finley/Nash, and shawn bradley who was always good defensive player. sprinkle in random years with nick van exel, antawn jamison.

for fucks sake the josh howard that dirk played with was better than the 33 year old TOSB version of sprewell who became KG's best teammate of his career in minnesota

their casts were not comparable at all. they both were 4 time all nba first teamers. dirk never sniffed an all defensive team while KG made 12 of them. its true that KG only won after going to the celtics to form the big 3, but dirk only won when he played on a team perfectly constructed to address his defensive deficiencies with chandler/marion/kidd/stevenson, and good bench players in terry/barea/peja. its true that dirk was a monster those playoffs, but he shot like 41% in the finals and the cast did pick up a lot of slack. that the best year of his career wasn't even during his prime tells you that the team around him was pretty impactful

KG also had an All-Star Wally Szerbiack in the early 2000s in his team, as well as Chauncey Billups who would become the go-to player for the Pistons after he left.

But let's concentrate on the title teams because this is what it comes down to. KG won after two other veterans elite scorers decided to sacrifice their paycheck to team up with him. The "perfectly" tailored team that Dirk required to win, against an arguably more difficult opposition, was really an athletic defensive center and some quite regular players around him (Kidd and Marion were far, far from their peak, Peja on his last legs, and JET who never made an All-Star team was the most dependable second scorer).

Essentially the team that Dirk required is much more easily assembled in the NBA that the team that KG required. You can get defensive, hustle players much more easily than you can get elite scorers - that is the skill of which there is a shortage in the market and that is why those players usually get max contracts. This is what it really comes down to when you build around a superstar: if he is an all-world scorer, everything is much easier.

If this were baseball or European soccer where you can stash all kinds of stars together without financial repercussions, than maybe KG becomes more valuable. But it's not what the NBA is or has been. It's a league where your franchise player needs to be an elite scorer, and if not it makes it more difficult to build a championship team. Dirk was that, along with Shaq, Timmy, and Kobe. KG was never in that picture. A healthy T-Mac and Yao probably overtake him as well.

And this is where I'll stop because KG v. Dirk arguments have been overdone here.

[FkLA]

KG also had an All-Star Wally Szerbiack in the early 2000s in his team, as well as Chauncey Billups who would become the go-to player for the Pistons after he left.

But let's concentrate on the title teams because this is what it comes down to. KG won after two other veterans elite scorers decided to sacrifice their paycheck to team up with him. The "perfectly" tailored team that Dirk required to win, against an arguably more difficult opposition, was really an athletic defensive center and some quite regular players around him (Kidd and Marion were far, far from their peak, Peja on his last legs, and JET who never made an All-Star team was the most dependable second scorer).

Essentially the team that Dirk required is much more easily assembled in the NBA that the team that KG required. You can get defensive, hustle players much more easily than you can get elite scorers - that is the skill of which there is a shortage in the market and that is why those players usually get max contracts. This is what it really comes down to when you build around a superstar: if he is an all-world scorer, everything is much easier.

If this were baseball or European soccer where you can stash all kinds of stars together without financial repercussions, than maybe KG becomes more valuable. But it's not what the NBA is or has been. It's a league where your franchise player needs to be an elite scorer, and if not it makes it more difficult to build a championship team. Dirk was that, along with Shaq, Timmy, and Kobe. KG was never in that picture. A healthy T-Mac and Yao probably overtake him as well.

And this is where I'll stop because KG v. Dirk arguments have been overdone here.

People have this dumb perception that because Pierce got the FMVP KG took a backseat to him offensively. In reality, he led the Celtics in scoring in those playoffs. He would've led them in the RS too if he had played comparable minutes to Pierce (KG led them in PPG per 36). All while being the DPOY.

Dirk was the better offensive player, obviously, but let's not act like KG was some slouch on that end. The gap between the two on defense was much much much bigger than the gap between them offensively.

[apalisoc_9]

People have this dumb perception that because Pierce got the FMVP KG took a backseat to him offensively. In reality, he led the Celtics in scoring in those playoffs. He would've led them in the RS too if he had played comparable minutes to Pierce (KG led them in PPG per 36). All while being the DPOY.

Dirk was the better offensive player, obviously, but let's not act like KG was some slouch on that end. The gap between the two on defense was much much much bigger than the gap between them offensively.

Dork was actually a decent defender in his prime :lol

[FkLA]

Dork was actually a decent defender in his prime :lol

Arguable. But even if true, KG was one of the best defensive players of all-time. Huge gap.

[endrity]

People have this dumb perception that because Pierce got the FMVP KG took a backseat to him offensively. In reality, he led the Celtics in scoring in those playoffs. He would've led them in the RS too if he had played comparable minutes to Pierce (KG led them in PPG per 36). All while being the DPOY.

Dirk was the better offensive player, obviously, but let's not act like KG was some slouch on that end. The gap between the two on defense was much much much bigger than the gap between them offensively.

Absolutely final comment: it matters little to none that KG's defensive advantage was larger than Dirk's offensive advantage. Zero, zilch, nada! This isn't a 50-50 proposition, no matter what many people like to believe. You don't select your superstars to play defense, you don't scout the draft for the next Bruce Bowen or Tony Allent. Defense is what your role players are there for! If you could coach a scheme where your superstar simply breathed for 24 seconds on defense, you take that every single possession! (it's why Kawhi is so great in my book, he carried the team offensively while guarding Giannis when he needed; and that is why Timmy is better than Dirk as well)

You spend the supermax for the player who can hit the shots that 99.9% of other players in the league can't! That is why by and large the teams that win rings are led by players who are unguardable when they get going. Great defensive teams, which is what you will see in the latter rounds, will take away the easy shots and will make you beat them with the toughest of shots - as an even better offensive player like Giannis learned the hard way this year. It is there that the highest level of offensive skill matters and truly makes a difference. It is essentially THE element that makes up a championship team.

KG was never close to that level offensively. I stand by my statement that if TMac and Yao had stayed healthy, they had the potential to overtake him as well. Their offensive games were easily more polished and refined than KG could ever dream.

[FkLA]

Absolutely final comment: it matter little to none that KG's defensive advantage was larger than Dirk's offensive advantage. Zero, zilch, nada! This isn't a 50-50 proposition, no matter what many people like to believe. You don't select your superstars to play defense, you don't scout the draft for the next Bruce Bowen or Tony Allent. Defense is what your role players are there for! If you could coach a scheme where your superstar simply breathed for 24 seconds on defense, you take that every single possession! (it's why Kawhi is so great in my book, he carried the team offensively while guarding Giannis when he needed; and that is why Timmy is better than Dirk as well)

You spend the supermax for the player who can hit the shots that 99.9% of other players in the league can't! That is why by and large the teams that win rings are led by players who are unguardable when they get going. Great defensive teams, which is what you will see in the latter rounds, will take away the easy shots and will make you beat them with the toughest of shots - as an even better offensive player like Giannis learned the hard way this year. It is there that the highest level of offensive skill matters and truly makes a difference. It is essentially THE element that makes up a championship team.

KG was never close to that level offensively. I stand by my statement that if TMac and Yao had stayed healthy, they had the potential to overtake him as well. Their offensive games were easily more polished and refined than KG could ever dream.

Yeah, nobody said it was 50-50. If I thought that, then I'd be arguing that Dirk doesn't even belong in the same sentence as KG because the gap ion defense s that big. The fact that I'm not should tell you that I don't value it as 50-50.

KG was like a 90 on offense/99 on defense. Dirk 95 on offense/60-70 on defense. I'm pretty sure most GMs would take KG. Would you take Cousins over Anthony Davis?

[spurraider21]

dirk was a below average or even poor defender for a vast majority of his career. lets not act like his legacy is that of an above average defender.

at their respective peaks, dirk was a marginally better scorer but KG was a better playmaker and passer. dirk never averaged 4 assists per game while KG had 6 consecutive seasons averaging 5 assists per game or more. garnett was a substantially better rebounder to boot

2011 happened and suddenly their entire histories are moot and dirk is untouchable

[apalisoc_9]

Crazy though. Kawhi barely has the longevetiy resume, but modt people on forums have started putting him on Top 15-20 levels.

One season of load management and a ring catapulted him.

[Capt Bringdown]

Robinson
Leonard
Barkley
Malone
Durant
Dirk
DWade
KG
Curry

[Neo.]

KG was like a 90 on offense/99 on defense. Dirk 95 on offense/60-70 on defense.

lmao kg a 90 on offense when his entire offense revolved around wide open mid-range jumpers and putbacks. he had almost no post game whatsoever, no consistent go-to move.

offensively he was basically david west with decent handles and good vision

very good, but certainly not a 90 if Dirk is a 95

[lefty]

Wow.

Curry is super underrated :lol

Sad.

Not even top 50 imo

[FkLA]

lmao kg a 90 on offense when his entire offense revolved around wide open mid-range jumpers and putbacks. he had almost no post game whatsoever, no consistent go-to move.

offensively he was basically david west with decent handles and good vision

very good, but certainly not a 90 if Dirk is a 95

What a crock of shit.

His fadeaway wasn't Dirk's fadeaway and his postgame wasn't Duncan's postgame, but he had both those things in his arsenal. He also had a face up game and routinely beat bigmen off the dribble. He was a 22-24 PPG guy during his prime in Minny. Just lol at him being David West.

[Kawhitstorm]

Absolutely final comment: it matters little to none that KG's defensive advantage was larger than Dirk's offensive advantage. Zero, zilch, nada! This isn't a 50-50 proposition, no matter what many people like to believe. You don't select your superstars to play defense, you don't scout the draft for the next Bruce Bowen or Tony Allent. Defense is what your role players are there for! If you could coach a scheme where your superstar simply breathed for 24 seconds on defense, you take that every single possession! (it's why Kawhi is so great in my book, he carried the team offensively while guarding Giannis when he needed; and that is why Timmy is better than Dirk as well)

You spend the supermax for the player who can hit the shots that 99.9% of other players in the league can't! That is why by and large the teams that win rings are led by players who are unguardable when they get going. Great defensive teams, which is what you will see in the latter rounds, will take away the easy shots and will make you beat them with the toughest of shots - as an even better offensive player like Giannis learned the hard way this year. It is there that the highest level of offensive skill matters and truly makes a difference. It is essentially THE element that makes up a championship team.

KG was never close to that level offensively. I stand by my statement that if TMac and Yao had stayed healthy, they had the potential to overtake him as well. Their offensive games were easily more polished and refined than KG could ever dream.

KG in the modern era would have been a combination of Draymond/Anthony Davis.

[Arcadian]

ST shits on KG because its full of duncan/dirk fans tbh. the gap between garnett and duncan wasn't as big as we like to think, and KG's career was hampered by minnesota's shitty rosters than anything. one of the GOAT two way players. he's criminally underrated here imo. a borderline point forward with multiple seasons averaging over 5 assists and even averaged 6. his game would also translate to today quite easily because of his ability to switch on defense. imagine him being a modern center. you also know that given his shooting ability, if he played today, he'd develop a decent 3 point shot as well

all the older bigs who had 2 point jump shots have extended their range to 3... pau/marc gasol, serge ibaka, brook lopez. would be silly to assume that KG woulnd't have as well

I agree, Garnett is a top 20 player of all time. As a hardcore Duncan fan, I obviously disliked him - but at the same time I appreciated his contrasting style. He was a good "foil" for Duncan. And given that Duncan had a better career, there's no reason for Spurs fans to be insecure about it.

[Neo.]

What a crock of shit.

His fadeaway wasn't Dirk's fadeaway and his postgame wasn't Duncan's postgame, but he had both those things in his arsenal. He also had a face up game and routinely beat bigmen off the dribble. He was a 22-24 PPG guy during his prime in Minny. Just lol at him being David West.

david west was pretty good, it's not an insult. but kg was nowhere near dirk offensively