Woj: Pelicans Trade AD to the Lakers

[LkrFan]

:lol Pelicans ended up taking the Lakers' trash, though the three first round picks is nice.

:lmao Spurs got DePression and the 29th pick for the best player in the NBA
:lol

[LkrFan]

It's that time of the season where RC is waking up in the middle of the afternoon probably not knowing what day it is.... so I'm guessing it's not us involved.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1140033468920938498

:lol

[LkrFan]

Smile buddy, you still have Derozan--the future is bright:lmao

:lol

[slick'81]

U mean new orleans got young prospects and pics to rebuild and we got poodle and :bangdefrozen

[LkrFan]

I knew this shit was about to happen as soon as David Griffin became the Pelicans GM and the NBA gifted them the 4th pick smh. Now watch all the ring chasing role players sign with the Lakers

;)

[LkrFan]

Meh what were the Lakers going to do with those picks anyways? Have they had a draft pick pan out since Van Exel? :lol

N:lol

[LkrFan]

What future was Ingram, Ball, and Hart? They got a franchise guy in his prime for the #4 pick, a couple of likely late firsts, and a grab bag of garbage. James + Davis + whoever else they sign with their near max cap slot is going to be a legit contender in a year where the conference (and thus the entire league) is wide open.

:toast

[LkrFan]

It’s so damning of LAs youth that they couldn’t make the playoffs with Bron and swapping them all for just AD makes them title favorites lmao

Who's better in the West right now - Rocket? :lol

[LkrFan]

Lakers are getting Kawhi too. Just a bad feeling. All the signs have been there.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Man, this trade will be completed July 6th. It shows NO was totally in control. Because of this La will no longer have a max contract available for a third star (at least not a max for vets with certain amount of years of experience). LA will have to convince a star to take a lot less.

If AD doesn’t waive his trade kicker La has 23M in space. If he does they have 28M.

DPG out here playing checkers :lol

[baseline bum]

Lakers are getting Kawhi too. Just a bad feeling. All the signs have been there.

I think so too. I had the same bad feeling Kawhi was ringing after that super lucky bounce to end Philly's season and everyone here told me I was nuts when I posted that Toronto would win it all.

[baseline bum]

U mean new orleans got young prospects and pics to rebuild and we got poodle and :bangdefrozen

Shit prospects, two garbage picks, and one good pick, as well as a couple of pick swaps that probably aren't all that likely to be exercised.

[LkrFan]

I think so too. I had the same bad feeling Kawhi was ringing after that super lucky bounce to end Philly's season and everyone here told me I was nuts when I posted that Toronto would win it all.

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:wow

[LkrFan]

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Lakers tried to trade everybody but Bron to the Spurs. MAGA Pop's hatred for the Lakers blinded him to a good deal. Deported Kiwi against his will. Kiwi rang. Now he might join Bron and LABrow in the last place he wanted Kiwi to go: LA LA Land. :lol

Uncle Fester is a Laker fan.
Kiwi is a Laker fan.
Kiwi can spend his prime next to AD...or Kiwi could spend his prime with Harrell/Gallo :lol
Kiwi would not have to play 40mpg no mo

Seems like a no brainer to me :wakeup

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[Blackhaus]

Kwitter, kuzma, LeBron and AD would be a pretty a shoe in for the finals if they can stay healthy. Big big if though.

[NameLess Scrub]

In before LeBron gets the other 2 superstars and 4 ring chasers he needs to win

[DPG21920]

Who's better in the West right now - Rocket? :lol

I think you mis-understood. I’m saying LA is a contender now. I’m saying that LA’s youth was so bad that swapping them for one player took them from non-playoff team to contender in one move.

That’s how bad LA youth was.

[tbdog]

Just in case you guys misread or haven't seen it. The Lakers want the trade finalised after a certain date so they can have another max contract available. But Pelicans would prefer to deal happening earlier so the number 4 pick, regardless if they keep it or not, then can participate in the summer league. If Pelicans win out of the negotiations, Lakers will have 23mil in cap space, which is well short of a max contract.

[rascal]

Ball dad says lakers will never win a title again.

Just bitter his son is no longer a Laker.

[LkrFan]

I think you mis-understood. I’m saying LA is a contender now. I’m saying that LA’s youth was so bad that swapping them for one player took them from non-playoff team to contender in one move.

That’s how bad LA youth was.

My bad DPG. You da man. :tu

[rascal]

The Lakers will also get Kawhi now. The Lakers just became more attractive to him.

[daslicer]

The Lakers will also get Kawhi now. The Lakers just became more attractive to him.

Amazing we are seeing the return of Rascal aka the biggest closet Laker fan on here making a return now that the Lakers have gotten Davis.

[Hoops Czar]

I think you mis-understood. I’m saying LA is a contender now. I’m saying that LA’s youth was so bad that swapping them for one player took them from non-playoff team to contender in one move.

That’s how bad LA youth was.

Russell and Randle would disagree with you. Sometimes, it comes down to coaching and spotlight rather than talent and potential.

[DPG21920]

Russell and Randle would disagree with you. Sometimes, it comes down to coaching and spotlight rather than talent and potential.

Well NO better pray to God that’s true since they gave up a top 5 player for guys that have never looked like they had all-star potential. On top of that, they have injury concerns and other issues.

It’s one thing to trade for Russell and take a chance based on what you gave up; it’s another to give up AD for that type of “hope”.

As of now, them kids suck.

[exstatic]

Kawhi would be dropping $40M just signing a Max deal with he Clippers. I doubt he’s entertaining any thoughts of a Laker discount, since he never wanted to play with LeBron in the first place.

[DPG21920]

I have a sick feeling that Lakers are on the table

[Russ]

I have a sick feeling that Lakers are on the table

The Clippers are likely a disciplined, orderly, demanding, no nonsense outfit led by Jerry West.

That's why the anarchy of the Lakers might appeal to Kawhi -- he can get lost in the background and do whatever he wants whenever he wants. And still win (probably).

Could the disfunctional Lakers be Kawhi's perfect destination?

[Ice009]

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1140085647543193601

Fuck, I've been away from Spurstalk for a couple of days since the Raptors won it all, and this isn't the news I wanted to see.

What does unprotected swap mean? How does all this work? Can they swap picks with the Lakers in those years if they want?

[NickiRasgo]

Imagine if the Lakers was able to sign Kawhi. This is like a "fuck you" twice by the Lakers and Uncle Dennis for not trading him to LA. Then they will praise the Lakers for not going all in for Kawhi which they were able to use it for AD.

I might stay away from watching NBA for the meanwhile if that happens. :lol

[bluebellmaniac]

Fuck, I've been away from Spurstalk for a couple of days since the Raptors won it all, and this isn't the news I wanted to see.

What does unprotected swap mean? How does all this work? Can they swap picks with the Lakers in those years if they want?

Unprotected swap means NO can swap picks even if LA is in the lottery. If AD were to become injured, that'd be a real possibility.

[Ice009]

Unprotected swap means NO can swap picks even if LA is in the lottery. If AD were to become injured, that'd be a real possibility.

Darn, that is a great deal. Usually LAs picks would be lower if Lebron and AD and whoever else they get don't get injured, but if for some reason they end up with worse picks and New Orleans has to option to swap, great deal for NO. This is a similar deal with draft picks that I wanted the Spurs to get.

[Spurs4#5]

Darn, that is a great deal. Usually LAs picks would be lower if Lebron and AD and whoever else they get don't get injured, but if for some reason they end up with worse picks and New Orleans has to option to swap, great deal for NO. This is a similar deal with draft picks that I wanted the Spurs to get.

The difference is the spurs dealt with an arrogant magic Johnson who thought he could land everyone in free agency so didn’t think he needed to trade much. While New Orleans dealt with retarded rob pelinka

[MoSpur02]

Apparently New Orleans is shopping the #4 pick. They've reached out to Washington for Bradley Beal. Wonder if Derozan would work? That would free up cap space and get San Antonio a nice pick.

[slick'81]

Apparently New Orleans is shopping the #4 pick. They've reached out to Washington for Bradley Beal. Wonder if Derozan would work? That would free up cap space and get San Antonio a nice pick.
We can only pray no is that stupid

[Ocotillo]

NO might like Milutinov as a throw in since they traded away their starting center.

[Ocotillo]

NO might like Milutinov as a throw in since they traded away their starting center.

[TDMVPDPOY]

pelicans getting that haul

while the spurms patfo got trash for kawhi...lol patfo still living on some reputation best in the business, more like best at making stupid trades

[RC_Drunkford]

pelicans getting that haul

while the spurms patfo got trash for kawhi...lol patfo still living on some reputation best in the business, more like best at making stupid trades
Don't forget stupid free agency signings and stupid contract extensions

[Duncan2177]

Don't forget stupid free agency signings and stupid contract extensions

It's all about corporate knowledge and culture. :pop:

[J_Paco]

Leonard was a lottery pick.

No, he wasn't. He was the 15th pick and selected right outside the lottery.

[Arcadian]

I bet they still have a disappointing season.

[Ocotillo]

I wonder if New Orleans would have an interest in Milutinov as a sweetner to a deal since they just offloaded their starting center.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

"Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks – including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft,"

That's pretty much what the Spurs wanted for Kawhi and the Lakers are now 1 year older, LBJ is one year older, and still didn't get to keep any of that. Brilliant piece of business!!!

[Killakobe81]

"Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks – including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft,"

That's pretty much what the Spurs wanted for Kawhi and the Lakers are now 1 year older, LBJ is one year older, and still didn't get to keep any of that. Brilliant piece of business!!!

But yall Niccas didn't wanna deal with us anyways if yall did we might be champs already so be grateful... Only thing worse than nephew ringing is him ringing with Lakers... Besides our prospects are shit anyways.

[LCM]

This is the trade Pop wanted. Lakers just weren't desparate enough to do it until now.

Dan Patrick said it best today, the Pelicans are "shorting" on the Lakers. Ball, Hart and Ingram are incidental, the picks tell an interesting story:

4th pick - potential quality vet/all star (trading the pick potentially hurts the Lakers cap space which hurts team construction)
2021 - (1-8 protected) seems this pick is protected just in case Lakers suffer through injuries again, specifically the last off season before LBJ enters the option year. If the Pelicans have to settle for the 2022 unprotected pick, this is the one pick where it's highly likely it's a low 1st Rd pick because Lakers going all out in the option year of LBJ contract. If the Pelicans get this pick in 2021, this is the class where it could be a duel class where the one and done in college basketball potentially ends and HS players become eligible to draft. This could be a very deep prospect class!

For picks in 2023, 24, and 25, Rich Paul is the wild card in all of this. It will be interesting how AD and Rich Paul handle his free agency in 2020 and beyond. Will AD sign a long term deal, or will he do what LBJ did in Cleveland to Gilbert but in this case to Jeanie Buss? Are they going to put her and Pelinka under the pressure to spend money, go over the cap, and pay the luxury tax for the off seasons between 2019 - 2022. If Buss doesn't follow a program set by Rich Paul and AD, he can go elsewhere and still be 29 at the start of the 2022/23 season. If AD does a two year deal with option in 2020 and not a 4 or 5 year deal, he's covering LBJ years but not marrying himself to the franchise. Then the swaps and pick of 2023, 24, and 25 become incredibly valuable if LBJ and AD are no longer on the team starting in the 2022/23 season. Also, injuries on their own can blow up any plan. For the Lakers sake, LBJ and AD better stay healthy for the next three years, and it isn't a guarantee that they can!

In the short term, both teams did what each set out to do. But the Pelicans are in a far better long term position than the Lakers. The Lakers are so wrapped up in LBJ title window or bust. Any thoughts on the future of this franchise seems to be, "We're the Lakers! Someone will always want to play with us!" The Laker's owner and front office are going to be blamed if things don't work out, not LBJ or AD. Future UFA will see how Lakers handle LBJ and AD for better or worse. And if KL goes to the Clippers and they have better success than the Lakers during this whole time, that's could turn into a major problem. So many variables, so many possibilities. ... will be very fun to watch

[TimDunkem]

Apparently New Orleans is shopping the #4 pick. They've reached out to Washington for Bradley Beal. Wonder if Derozan would work? That would free up cap space and get San Antonio a nice pick.

They actually have a good GM now. He ain't picking DD over Beal. :lol

[2Cleva]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbOdyj920YA

[rascal]

Wrong! I don't like the Lakers but their front office makes big moves(trades and free agency) every year to give them a chance to make the big jump up the standings. In the past it has worked but over the last few years they haven't made the right moves but things can change quickly in their favor while the Spurs have to build through the draft.

[rascal]

What future was Ingram, Ball, and Hart? They got a franchise guy in his prime for the #4 pick, a couple of likely late firsts, and a grab bag of garbage. James + Davis + whoever else they sign with their near max cap slot is going to be a legit contender in a year where the conference (and thus the entire league) is wide open.

Exactly No one should down play this Laker trade. Now they have added another star to entice a third star to jump on board. Kawhi is now more likely to sign with the Lakers.

[rascal]

"Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks – including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft,"

That's pretty much what the Spurs wanted for Kawhi and the Lakers are now 1 year older, LBJ is one year older, and still didn't get to keep any of that. Brilliant piece of business!!!

But they also added AD and can sign Kawhi anyways.

[rascal]

I bet they still have a disappointing season.

I bet they don't. Lakers are not finished. More of a chance the Spurs have the disappointing season not making the playoffs.

[mo7888]

Exactly No one should down play this Laker trade. Now they have added another star to entice a third star to jump on board. Kawhi is now more likely to sign with the Lakers.

Theres not much of a chance for them to get Kawhi or any other 'star's at this point. $23M is all they have to offer and that won't interest a top FA

[SpurOutofTownFan]

But they also added AD and can sign Kawhi anyways.

I don't believe Kawhi wants to go there, rather the Clippers in LA. He's a diva now and will not share spotlight with LBJ. I also don't think they have the space to get him but I'm not a trade-math person.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141134741808308225

[Dennis the Menace]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141134741808308225

Why would anyone help them out?

[lmbebo]

What sweeteners do the Lakers have left to add? Not much ...

[Arcadian]

I bet they don't. Lakers are not finished. More of a chance the Spurs have the disappointing season not making the playoffs.

I don't think the Lakers will miss the playoffs, but they won't make a deep run either. The Spurs could miss the playoffs, but I think they end up with a similar result to the Lakers. Assuming they have a healthy Anthony Davis and Lebron James, that would be a disappointment for them.

[JeffDuncan]

Unless LeBron has dramatically changed, he is now after a guard, to re-create the type of big three he had when he won it all at Miami and Cleveland. Kawhi is not a guard.

[r0drig0lac]

Unless LeBron has dramatically changed, he is now after a guard, to re-create the type of big three he had when he won it all at Miami and Cleveland. Kawhi is not a guard.

really? Kawhi Davis and Lebron would be unbeatable if healthy, Kawhi is a good shooter anywhere on the court, no current team could score consistently against those guys, there are no adjustment issues when you have the two best players in the league.

[picnroll]

Nate Duncan: If AD trade is executed July 6, even if Lakers can strip it down to LeBron, AD, and Kuz and even if AD waives his full trade bonus, they’d only have ~$29.3m available (re Adrian Wojnarowski report on trying to get as much space as possible) – via Twitter NateDuncanNBA

Adrian Wojnarowski: Lakers are aggressively pursuing the purchase of second-round picks in Thursday’s NBA Draft too, league sources tell ESPN. Those picks will offer two important things for LA: acquisition of inexpensive labor and ability to exceed the salary cap with those minimum contracts. – via Twitter wojespn

[Dverde]

Why would anyone help them out?

Space Jam 2 cameos don’t grow on trees.

[HarlemHeat37]

really? Kawhi Davis and Lebron would be unbeatable if healthy, Kawhi is a good shooter anywhere on the court, no current team could score consistently against those guys, there are no adjustment issues when you have the two best players in the league.

I agree about the offense, but teams could score against them at will:lol

[r0drig0lac]

I agree about the offense, but teams could score against them at will:lol

I think with 3 of the top 6/7 players in the league, they will easily get some dogs to do the dirty work, I really hope the Kawhi does not go to the Lakers, it would be worse than the Durant go to Golden State, at least in relation to the league's competitiveness.

[NameLess Scrub]

Lakers are tight of they can't get the money to sign another star.LeBron won't win without a big 3. He barely won with a big 3 when he was younger.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just waiting so I can see LeBron cry for "more help" at the trade deadline again

[sasaint]

Just waiting so I can see LeBron cry for "more help" at the trade deadline again

Inevitable.

[UZER]

Just waiting so I can see LeBron cry for "more help" at the trade deadline again

And the media will cry out for him too.

“He deserves better! It’s not fair!”

[MultiTroll]

Why would anyone help them out?
imo, in the old days Buss Sr. would pay under the table to other owners.
With the new breed of owners, well some of them (Cuban), Laker bullshit got called out. For example Chrissy Paul for a bag of chips trade got vetoed.

So unless some great under the table payoff is coming, ya I don't see why any 2019 teams would help them.

[UZER]

imo, in the old days Buss Sr. would pay under the table to other owners.
With the new breed of owners, well some of them (Cuban), Laker bullshit got called out. For example Chrissy Paul for a bag of chips trade got vetoed.

So unless some great under the table payoff is coming, ya I don't see why any 2019 teams would help them.

I’ve believed the same thing for a long time.

[LkrFan]

I have a sick feeling that Lakers are on the table

I like that feeling you got. :lol Lakers needed a 3rd team to dump end of the bench scrubs on to create another max slot:
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Pels trade Lakers #4 to ATL:
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So to all you farmers talking bout the Lakers FO:
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Now it's a real possibility that the Lakers actually have a 3rd max slot when the smoke clears :tu

Now, I really want Kiwi to help form the best big 3 since MJ/Scottie/Worm, to piss of you farmers. But I'd gladly settle for Killa Kyrie to piss Boston off. :lol