Bojan Bogdanovic - 2019 Free Agent

[timvp]

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Bojan Bogdanovic
Position: Small Forward
Age: 30.2
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 218 pounds
College: International (Bosnia)
Years Pro: 5
Status: Unrestricted Free Agent

Stats (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html)

[slick'81]

Pacers want him back but can the spurs find a way to pull off this signing ?

[childishbambi]

Bucks can sign him for 20MM and keep Brogdon if they renounce Middleton. We're fucked.

[JeffDuncan]

Coming off a contract for $10.5 million.

[99 Problems]

Yep I think he’s coming.

[td4mvp2k]

it would have to be S&T

[monty4329]

too expensive

[MoSpur02]

Too expensive for his age and defensive weakness

[venitian navigator]

Too expensive for his age and defensive weakness

agree...out of range and anyway a defensive liability (something you can't have with a starting DDR)...

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[mookie2001]

Want him and his brother

[SuperCam]

over 30? big headed white euro? defensive liability? sounds like PATFO dream player tbh

[GreekSpursfan]

At around 15m i would take him not more though

[JuneJive]

Want him and his brother

Not brothers. One is a Croat, the other a Serb.

He just had his best NBA season where he was featured offensively due to Oladipo's injury.
He looked good, and he might carry his performance over to the next yr.

But, it was a contract yr.

He really surprised me defensively the last two seasons. He was really decent against LBJ in the playoffs. He won't shy away from an assignment. Big balls. Reminds me of Beli.
He will take the last shot if needed.

[Play Boban]

Too expensive for his age and defensive weakness

I guess you missed when he shut down LeBron a couple years ago in the playoffs tbh. Turble take per par. :lmao

[Play Boban]

over 30? big headed white euro? defensive liability? sounds like PATFO dream player tbh

:lmao You must not watch much basketball if you think he's a defensive liability. He's a much better defender than most of the wings on our roster.

[Play Boban]

I like him, though I wish he was younger tbh. Advanced stats also aren't very kind to him tbh....

[rjv]

he had a very disappointing playoff run but was lights out in the regular season. at any rate, unless it's via a sign and trade, i don't see how this happens.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[phxspurfan]

Would be awesome, I'm sure high af on PATFO list, but likely being kept by Indy after he balled out for them last year when VO went down

[Gandalf]

Any way we could work out some sort of package sign-and-trade using DeRozan?

[dubross]

why would we pay top money for a guy on the other side of 30 to a long term deal while we have a young core?

[gambit1990]

:tu

[spurraider21]

he's going to get himself a 4 year deal and the last year or two will probably be brutal

[DPG21920]

he's going to get himself a 4 year deal and the last year or two will probably be brutal

If he wants a Mills contract? Doable.

[R. DeMurre]

Scores more efficiently than DeRozan from two & three, spaces the floor better, lower usage rate, fewer turnovers... in every way, a better fit.

[JeffDuncan]

why would we pay top money for a guy on the other side of 30 to a long term deal while we have a young core?

Because we are out of our minds.

[Gandalf]

I wouldn't want to pay DeRozan money for him, that's why I said 'package' - Bojan + someone (& maybe a pick) if the Pacers don't want to lose him for nothing (& want DeRozan). I have no idea whether they would, just asking.

[Chinook]

he's going to get himself a 4 year deal and the last year or two will probably be brutal

The dude just turned 30. He'd have to get a really, really big contract to think he can't still be okay on it at age 33. If the options are $60M/4 or $54M/3, I'm perfectly fine with the former. Yeah, something like $80M/4 wouldn't be fun at all. But I don't think anyone goes four-years unless they do so to limit his APY. He's good and will have suitors, but I don't really think he's going to draw a true bidding war with cap-space teams.

[childishbambi]

Oldadipo is set to miss half the season. Maybe DD can fill their SG/SF needs....
Until Oladipo comes back full strength. Demar can decline his option and then the Pacers are free...

Thaddeus Young is old enough to be Spur :lol


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/victor-oladipo-injury-update-pacers-president-kevin-pritchard-believes-all-star-could-be-out-until-december-or/

[EricB]

Bertans Belinelli works and you don’t give up DeRozan. Bertans is small ball 4 spaces the floor for Turner and Oladipo. Belinelli veteran white guy off the bench. Indiana might give it pause if they don’t want to lose Bogdanovic for nothing.

[cool cat]

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1143971086872317953?s=21

[EricB]

“”I’ve heard Bojan linked with the Spurs a month ago” IMo that means Bojan wants to come as welll.

[Degoat]

If we somehow get Bojan, We Stacked!!

[slick'81]

If we somehow get Bojan, We Stacked!!

Especially without giving up demar

[PennSpur]

-1.7 career BPM. '18-'19 was first season he wasn't negative (0.0).

[OldMan88]

One is a Croat, the other a Serb.

Yeah, no chance for locker room friction there. 🌋

[DPG21920]

I think he’s good but I’m not gaga over him. He’s never really stood out as a difference maker to me. Don’t know how to feel about it honestly.

If it’s a S&T for Bertans + Beli ok, but if DeRozan is gone? I don’t know if 4 years of him with the young core is ideal.

[NASpurs]

You thought DeMar was suicidal moving to SA. Wait until they send his ass to Indy. PATFO might be held accountable for his death.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm all for adding this guy for the right price but as a swap or trade he's not as much of an upgrade over DeMar that everyone thinks he is. This guy's put together basically 1 good season and he's what... 30. Not against it, just not in love with it.

[Degoat]

I know we all shit on the Pau and patty mills contracts as we should lol but maybe more players in the NBA know that if you come to the spurs they’ll take care of you even after you’re past your prime lol like maybe we sign Bojan 3 years/27 million (MLE) then after that contract give him a 2 year deal where he makes up the money he would have got??

[DPG21920]

3/54 imo minimum for him. Maybe 4/65+

[BlackAndWhite]

He would be a good Marco replacement

[kobyz]

Bertans Belinelli works and you don’t give up DeRozan. Bertans is small ball 4 spaces the floor for Turner and Oladipo. Belinelli veteran white guy off the bench. Indiana might give it pause if they don’t want to lose Bogdanovic for nothing.

If they lose Bogdanovic for nothing, they just gonna say: "well it could have been worse, we could have end up with Bertans and Bellinelli"

[Mugen]

You thought DeMar was suicidal moving to SA. Wait until they send his ass to Indy. PATFO might be held accountable for his death.

:lol

[childishbambi]

54/3 unguaranted 3rd year?

What about 40/2? It'll allow White, Murray, Walker, Forbes, Samanic, Johnson, and Weatherspoon to develop their game with a legit 3 point threat. Vs a turnover prone, no 3, minimal defense net negative. Front load it and when Bog is 32 he'll probably still command 10MM a year.

[timvp]

3/54 imo minimum for him. Maybe 4/65+

Something in that ballpark, ya.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I think he’s good but I’m not gaga over him. He’s never really stood out as a difference maker to me. Don’t know how to feel about it honestly.

If it’s a S&T for Bertans + Beli ok, but if DeRozan is gone? I don’t know if 4 years of him with the young core is ideal.


The Spurs can't trade Bertans + Belli for one player, because they made 36% of the Spurs' 3-pointers combined. They made about 145 3-pointers each, and Bojan made 164 (the most of his career). The Spurs just can't afford to lose that much firepower at the 3P line.

I'm just saying - the Spurs cannot use Belli + Bertans in a 2-for-1 swap, unless they have a plan for picking up another substantial 3-point shooter. And they would have to have that player locked up first, because they can't take a chance on being that weak from outside.

[DAF86]

I think he’s good but I’m not gaga over him. He’s never really stood out as a difference maker to me. Don’t know how to feel about it honestly.

If it’s a S&T for Bertans + Beli ok, but if DeRozan is gone? I don’t know if 4 years of him with the young core is ideal.

I would do DeRozan for Bogdanovic in half a heartbeat, tbh.

Murray, White, Bogdanovic, 3 and D guy, Aldridge.

That's a much better fit than a DeRozan lineup. Pretty much every wing that can playmake a little and shoot the 3ball is a better fit than DeRozan, tbh.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs can't trade Bertans + Belli for one player, because they made 36% of the Spurs' 3-pointers combined. They made about 145 3-pointers each, and Bojan made 164 (the most of his career). The Spurs just can't afford to lose that much firepower at the 3P line.

I'm just saying - the Spurs cannot use Belli + Bertans in a 2-for-1 swap, unless they have a plan for picking up another substantial 3-point shooter. And they would have to have that player locked up first, because they can't take a chance on being that weak from outside.

When you factor in that Bryn + White + Lonnie will make more 3s + play better defense? I think you can.

But one note - the path to clear cap space is really EASY for SA if a S&T doesn’t work. They just have to be willing to let Rudy walk.

If they do that all it takes is salary dumping Beli + Bertans (which they could likely get a little asset for both in form of 2nd rounder) and Sa can get to 18M~ in cap space very easily

[timvp]

But one note - the path to clear cap space is really EASY for SA if a S&T doesn’t work. They just have to be willing to let Rudy walk.

If they do that all it takes is salary dumping Beli + Bertans (which they could likely get a little asset for both in form of 2nd rounder) and Sa can get to 18M~ in cap space very easily

It's tough to say if it'll be capital letters easy, tbh. It depends how much spare cap room is left around the league after the first wave of free agents sign.

Perfect case scenario: a team is looking for shooters on one-year contracts to fill out there team. Spurs get a second round pick in exchange. Chances: 5%.

Medium case scenario: a team like the Knicks strikes out and decides to punt for a season. Spurs have to give up a pair of second rounders in order to trade away those two. Chances: 25%.

Bad case scenario: cap space is sparse. Multiple teams are fighting to trade into the remaining cap space as the remaining free agents dwindle in number. Cost to dump those two players is a first rounder plus. Chances: 70%.

[DPG21920]

It's tough to say if it'll be capital letters easy, tbh. It depends how much spare cap room is left around the league after the first wave of free agents sign.

Perfect case scenario: a team is looking for shooters on one-year contracts to fill out there team. Spurs get a second round pick in exchange. Chances: 5%.

Medium case scenario: a team like the Knicks strikes out and decides to punt for a season. Spurs have to give up a pair of second rounders in order to trade away those two. Chances: 25%.

Bad case scenario: cap space is sparse. Multiple teams are fighting to trade into the remaining cap space as the remaining free agents dwindle in number. Cost to dump those two players is a first rounder plus. Chances: 70%.

Man I disagree. I don’t think it would be tough at all to dump them. I think worst case would be the second rounders attached; not firsts.

I think one year deals are very desirable and for sure Bertans has value. For sure. Beli is more questionable but it’s minuscule money

So imo best case is scenario one.

Med case is dumping them with nothing back

Worst is giving up a pair of 2nds

[timvp]

Man I disagree. I don’t think it would be tough at all to dump them. I think worst case would be the second rounders attached; not firsts.

I think one year deals are very desirable and for sure Bertans has value. For sure. Beli is more questionable but it’s minuscule money

So imo best case is scenario one.

Med case is dumping them with nothing back

Worst is giving up a pair of 2nds

We'll see, tbh. The Hawks charged a lot for salary dumping and I just don't see the excess salary cap space out there that a team will do the deed for a small cost. The Spurs could get lucky and a team with salary cap space will need shooting ... but that would require a fortuitous series of events.

[DPG21920]

We'll see, tbh. The Hawks charged a lot for salary dumping and I just don't see the excess salary cap space out there that a team will do the deed for a small cost. The Spurs could get lucky and a team with salary cap space will need shooting ... but that would require a fortuitous series of events.

I don’t think Crabbe is valued as highly and also they knew BKY was chasing BIG fish. I guess I’ll ask you: if Beli and Bertans were free agents, what would their deals look like?

Taking on 18M for a worse player should cost more than 6-7M player

We also saw TJ Warren dumped for a 2nd..

Now if a team would take Mills instead of having to move Beli and Bertans? Knicks? First rounder here you go..

[ZeusWillJudge]

When you factor in that Bryn + White + Lonnie will make more 3s + play better defense? I think you can.

But one note - the path to clear cap space is really EASY for SA if a S&T doesn’t work. They just have to be willing to let Rudy walk.

If they do that all it takes is salary dumping Beli + Bertans (which they could likely get a little asset for both in form of 2nd rounder) and Sa can get to 18M~ in cap space very easily

Meh...I honestly can't see how the Murray/White/Walker thing fits together yet. I don't think PATFO can yet, either. I don't think White can get twice as many 3's as he did this year, especially if he's facilitating. And Walker is still such an unknown at the next level. (He did shoot the 3 well in Austin.) I can't disagree about the defensive improvement. Still - equaling the team's 3P total from last year isn't exactly the path to improvement. But, yeah, if those two guys could make 200 3P's between them? (That's what it would take to offset one of Belli/Bertans + the shots White made last season.) That would be a game changer, especially since the 3P threat would be coming from more places. Hell, it would be a game changer even if they stand pat with their roster. I still say trading Belli + Bertans for one guy would be a hell of a leap of faith. He would have to be a good 3P shooter, with a solid track record to take that plunge. I don't know who is going to sell them that guy, but I guess doing S&T for someone they're going to lose anyway?

As for letting Gay go, and dumping Belli + Bertans? You're talking about a rebuild there, aren't you? And if they did that, and dipped below the cap to use cap space... wouldn't they lose the taxpayer MLE? I can't remember. But if it screwed getting the bigger MLE exemption, they wouldn't be gaining that much overall this year.

I think what I'm going to take from the discussion is that White/Murray are going to make 200+ 3-pointers between them this year, and go to sleep with a smile on my face. :lol

[rjv]

Would Luke Kornet be a cheaper alternative?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Would Luke Kornet be a cheaper alternative?


You're going to get some people bashing that suggestion. And he's not really any sort of alternative to Bogdonovic. But if the Spurs had room for a project big man, he wouldn't be a terrible place to look. He's been on a rudderless Knicks team, but he's got good size (7' and around 250 I think.) He can actually shoot the 3 respectably. His dad was in the NBA, and I've come to be a believer that guys who grow up in the game from birth have an advantage.

He plays soft, but most big men take several years to find their potential. I honestly think that he has potential to be a decent journeyman big man if he lands on a team that will help him develop. The Spurs don't have room for a project right now, and he's gotten enough NBA minutes/money that he's not going to take some 2-way deal to develop his game. I don't see any fit here, but I don't hate the guy. I think he should go play in Europe for a couple of years and toughen up.
Just getting away from the damn Knicks will help.

[phxspurfan]

The Yugoslavian Belinelli!

[Chinook]

The Spurs can't trade Bertans + Belli for one player, because they made 36% of the Spurs' 3-pointers combined. They made about 145 3-pointers each, and Bojan made 164 (the most of his career). The Spurs just can't afford to lose that much firepower at the 3P line.

I'm just saying - the Spurs cannot use Belli + Bertans in a 2-for-1 swap, unless they have a plan for picking up another substantial 3-point shooter. And they would have to have that player locked up first, because they can't take a chance on being that weak from outside.

Nah, you don't pass up on strong talent for that justification. If PATFO cared so much about three-point shooting, they shouldn't have put this team together. No matter what, Beli and Bertans aren't getting higher in the rotation without tremendous improvement. If you can turn them into a better player who also shoots well, you do it. These aren't super two-way guys we're talking about here.

I don't disagree about adding more shooting or at least getting the guys in the rotation to be better in that regard. I just don't see how Murray/DeRozan/Aldridge/Poeltl can work together for long stretches, even if Murray's shot is improved and Forbes starts. They need a defensive four who can shoot. Some of those guys are available in trades or for the MLE. I hope they get at least Singleton, who's been a terrific shooter in Europe and a bulky defender who might play some five if he comes over. But keeping two of their worst rotation players just isn't an option unless they simply don't want to win.

[monty4329]

I would do DeRozan for Bogdanovic in half a heartbeat, tbh.

Murray, White, Bogdanovic, 3 and D guy, Aldridge.

That's a much better fit than a DeRozan lineup. Pretty much every wing that can playmake a little and shoot the 3ball is a better fit than DeRozan, tbh.

Indy will never bring in such a massive contract without unloading some. And they have nobody to get rid of. Plus they'll anyway prefere to have Bogdanovic than DDR. He was a stud last season, put the team on his shoulder after Oladipo broke. I bet they'll try to resign in at 54/2+1

[cutewizard]

:reading

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Really don’t like him at the price he’ll command in free agency. Never been a difference maker, never had good advanced stats, no intangibles, doesn’t go to the line, doesn’t defend or rebound well. Meh.

[cutewizard]

:pctoss

Wheres Bobo?

[r0drig0lac]

You thought DeMar was suicidal moving to SA. Wait until they send his ass to Indy. PATFO might be held accountable for his death.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[rjv]

I hope they get at least Singleton, who's been a terrific shooter in Europe and a bulky defender who might play some five if he comes over. But keeping two of their worst rotation players just isn't an option unless they simply don't want to win.

you've been pushing singleton lately. is this something you're hearing or just a personal preference?

[R. DeMurre]

It's all about fit for me. Neither Bojan or DeMar are going to be the best, second best, or third best players on a championship team, but I think Bojan spaces the floor better (by far) and will give the young core a much better opportunity to grow & thrive. DeMar is an iso/higher usage rate type of player, and becomes a major target in the playoffs because of his no 3/little D game. He reminds me of Iverson because he'll get you wins and help you get into the playoffs, but his style of play will also make a championship almost impossible.

[Russ]

It's tough to say if it'll be capital letters easy, tbh. It depends how much spare cap room is left around the league after the first wave of free agents sign.

Perfect case scenario: a team is looking for shooters on one-year contracts to fill out there team. Spurs get a second round pick in exchange. Chances: 5%.

Medium case scenario: a team like the Knicks strikes out and decides to punt for a season. Spurs have to give up a pair of second rounders in order to trade away those two. Chances: 25%.

Bad case scenario: cap space is sparse. Multiple teams are fighting to trade into the remaining cap space as the remaining free agents dwindle in number. Cost to dump those two players is a first rounder plus. Chances: 70%.

Giving up assets to get rid of nonassets is the quickest way to the poor farm (just ask the Lakers).

Let's hope the Spurs don't do that.


If PATFO cared so much about three-point shooting, they shouldn't have put this team together.

Forbes, at least, is an elite NBA three-point shooter. Plenty of teams don't have even one.

(For that matter, Forbes had a higher three-point % than Bogdanovic.)

(And the Spurs had the highest three-point % in the league.)

[FkLA]

We ring if we land him and keep Depression, imho.

[DPG21920]

We'll see, tbh. The Hawks charged a lot for salary dumping and I just don't see the excess salary cap space out there that a team will do the deed for a small cost. The Spurs could get lucky and a team with salary cap space will need shooting ... but that would require a fortuitous series of events.

Took one 2nd rounder to dump 3 players in a must dump situation for Lakers

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[ZeusWillJudge]

Nah, you don't pass up on strong talent for that justification. If PATFO cared so much about three-point shooting, they shouldn't have put this team together. No matter what, Beli and Bertans aren't getting higher in the rotation without tremendous improvement. If you can turn them into a better player who also shoots well, you do it. These aren't super two-way guys we're talking about here.

I don't disagree about adding more shooting or at least getting the guys in the rotation to be better in that regard. I just don't see how Murray/DeRozan/Aldridge/Poeltl can work together for long stretches, even if Murray's shot is improved and Forbes starts. They need a defensive four who can shoot. Some of those guys are available in trades or for the MLE. I hope they get at least Singleton, who's been a terrific shooter in Europe and a bulky defender who might play some five if he comes over. But keeping two of their worst rotation players just isn't an option unless they simply don't want to win.


I didn't say the Spurs can't trade Belli and Bertans. I said that they can't trade both of them for a single player, unless they have a plan for adding another 3P shooter in addition. And they can't take a chance on not being able to get that additional shooter - they would have to have him locked up.

And I don't want the Spurs to turn into a majority 3P shooting team. But you know that a team has to have shooters to spread the floor, or defenses are going to pack the paint. And the distance shooters have to be at least good enough that defenses don't chronically cheat off of them. If you don't have that kind of balance, you're doomed. This roster can't afford to get any less effective from the perimeter. So they can't trade in two of their most prolific 3P shooters for a single 3P shooter. It's as simple as that.

Totally agree about the current roster construction, though. And I think they're going to be reluctant to give up any of the three young (White, Murray, Walker) before seeing them on the floor this season - mostly out of fear of letting go of the wrong one. It's a bloody mess.

I'd be really happy with Singleton. He's always been a good shooter, but he really shot his ass off from 3 this year. I think that's made him a very hot prospect, and if he doesn't get the money he wants here, there are a number of Euro teams trying to convince him to play for them. I hope he's being considered. I think Singleton is only about an inch taller than Darius Miller who I think should be a target. And he (Singleton) is an inch or so shorter than Morris, who may be the wisest target of the three, just because he's proven himself at this level. Morris and Singleton came from the same draft class, but we've seen a lot more of Morris.

[timvp]

Took one 2nd rounder to dump 3 players in a must dump situation for Lakers

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Eh, those three players make a total of like, what, $4 million? Plus the Wizards actually wanted Wagner and Bonga. On top of that, 2022 might be the elusive "double draft" ... so Lakers still had to pay a relatively hefty price for dumping what amounts to less than one third of the money owed to Belinelli and Bertans.

[DPG21920]

Eh, those three players make a total of like, what, $4 million? Plus the Wizards actually wanted Wagner and Bonga. On top of that, 2022 might be the elusive "double draft" ... so Lakers still had to pay a relatively hefty price for dumping what amounts to less than one third of the money owed to Belinelli and Bertans.

Sure but it’s not like Beli and Bertans have to be dumped together. So instead of aggregate 4M it’s 5.8M and 7M. Plus Bertans has to be valued as much as any of those guys and LA was DESPERATE

[DPG21920]

Eh, those three players make a total of like, what, $4 million? Plus the Wizards actually wanted Wagner and Bonga. On top of that, 2022 might be the elusive "double draft" ... so Lakers still had to pay a relatively hefty price for dumping what amounts to less than one third of the money owed to Belinelli and Bertans.

But it’s not apples to apples. Read that wash used trade exceptions, not cap space to bring them in. So if it were cap space it would be more expensive most likely

[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

He gon'.

[Chinook]

I mean, why wouldn't the Jazz have an offer by free agency? He's a good target for them if they're going for that 2014-esque "Jack of all trades" title run. I don't think they're currently good enough to get there. The Spurs have the offensive talent to win in this weird down year if they get a guy like Bogs. They'd have to hope that Murray, White, Walker and Poeltl can be the "Medium Four" to support the "Big Four" of LMA, DMDR, BB and RG. I hope they go for it if they can do so without giving up any of the prospects currently on the team.

[acoelho1]

I don't think it makes sense to add Bogdanovic and also keep DDR since both would require heavy minutes in the rotation and with Murray penciled in at the 1 spot, there would be less minutes for White & Walker. In my view, if they are interested in BB, it will come at the expense of DDR.

[playbonner15]

Bogey gonna get paid. Spurs cant afford him

[lmbebo]

Curious what a S&T with Pacers for Bogan looks with DDR?

[tmtcsc]

I love reading about the different targets on the Spurs radar only to see them unavailable within minutes of free agency. No links to them being interested in the Spurs. Its going to be another sorry year if the young dudes don't take their games to the next level. The Spurs may be stuck in mud.

[CGD]

I love reading about the different targets on the Spurs radar only to see them unavailable within minutes of free agency. No links to them being interested in the Spurs. Its going to be another sorry year if the young dudes don't take their games to the next level. The Spurs may be stuck in mud.

I don’t know. Much is being said of teams like NOLA and ATL building out their stable of young guys to be able to, 1-2 years from now, show a marquee FA that there are nice young parts to build around. Quietly, I think you have to start lumping the Spurs in that class. They would have moved on from the LMA, Gay and DDR core by then.

This is an extreme example, of course, but spurs could be right up there in terms of attractiveness of a team situation with gannis come online in 2 years.

[Big P]

Curious what a S&T with Pacers for Bogan looks with DDR?

Not happening...too many teams with money to spend...the Spurs will have to wait it out and sign a left over or two with the mle.

[wildbill2u]

When you go for a veteran, you have to figure in his age as well as the price. Duh!. We don't want to get stuck with another overpaid vet on a long contract. We are in a youth and rebuilding phase. Is he worth more on a long term basis than what we can already put on the floor with players like Walker and draft choices who will be paid millions less and have years of productivity ahead of them?

You have to stay with the plan for the youth movement and rebuilding through smart drafts and stealing young free agents looking for their first payday to match their ceiling.

[slick'81]

BUMP


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73 million
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quick offer them belli/bertans

[Strategic]

18.25 per year. Not chump change

[TD 21]

Weird. Does Ingles become the 6th man? I doubt they'd trade him, but they still don't have a PF. Obviously, him and Bogdanovic can play it some, but not as a constant.

[DAF86]

Weird. Does Ingles become the 6th man? I doubt they'd trade him, but they still don't have a PF. Obviously, him and Bogdanovic can play it some, but not as a constant.

Bogdanovic will he the one coming off the bench, imho.

Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Bogdanovic, Gobbert will be their closing lineup.

[DC23]

Jazz are legitimate contenders in the west with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic.

[TD 21]

Bogdanovic will he the one coming off the bench, imho.

Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Bogdanovic, Gobbert will be their closing lineup.

Apparently Favors is being cut loose to facilitate this, so it's either some minimal placeholder PF or Bogdanovic/Ingles playing it nominally.

[DAF86]

Jazz are legitimate contenders in the west with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic.

Nah.

[DC23]

Nah.
100%, their roster is set-up for a deep playoff run, no doubt.

[DAF86]

100%, their roster is set-up for a deep playoff run, no doubt.

2nd round exit, maybe a WCF if the seedings play their way. But never a true threat to go all the way. They just have no real "man" to get them to really contend. They're just a bunch of 3rd tier players playing solid but limited basketball, imho.

[gambit1990]

props to utah for making necessary moves.

[gambit1990]

i also don't have utah as a true contender just yet... the league really only has about three each yeah. i have currently have utah amongst the second tier "contenders".

[buttsR4rebounding]

Nah, you don't pass up on strong talent for that justification. If PATFO cared so much about three-point shooting, they shouldn't have put this team together. No matter what, Beli and Bertans aren't getting higher in the rotation without tremendous improvement. If you can turn them into a better player who also shoots well, you do it. These aren't super two-way guys we're talking about here.

I don't disagree about adding more shooting or at least getting the guys in the rotation to be better in that regard. I just don't see how Murray/DeRozan/Aldridge/Poeltl can work together for long stretches, even if Murray's shot is improved and Forbes starts. They need a defensive four who can shoot. Some of those guys are available in trades or for the MLE. I hope they get at least Singleton, who's been a terrific shooter in Europe and a bulky defender who might play some five if he comes over. But keeping two of their worst rotation players just isn't an option unless they simply don't want to win.

I've been saying Singleton would be a great pick up.

[playbonner15]

Great move by Utah. Their lineup is looking good

[spurraider21]

millsap gone from utah?

officially RIP to det core

[sasaint]

Jazz are legitimate contenders in the west with the additions of Conley and Bogdanovic.

If not favorites.

[look_at_g_shred]

millsap gone from utah?

officially RIP to det core
He’s been gone wtf

[JeffDuncan]

millsap gone from utah?

officially RIP to det core

Hm, yeah. Milsap left Utah in 2013.

[MannyIsGod]

millsap gone from utah?

officially RIP to det core

LOL!

Did you happen to watch the fucking Spurs in the first round this past year? JFC.

[Mugen]

Utah has a squad tbh.

[spurraider21]

He’s been gone wtf


Hm, yeah. Milsap left Utah in 2013.


LOL!

Did you happen to watch the fucking Spurs in the first round this past year? JFC.
i meant favors tbh... the guy who literally just left. pretty sure the origin of det core was al jefferson/millsap/favors

[Chinook]

That's an ... interesting contract. I'll say that. I'd've been okay with $18 Million for three years. I'd've been okay with $15 Million for four years. $18.25 Million for four years? It's a gamble. Utah is going all in, and you have to appreciate teams being willing to do that. There's no sense in pussyfooting once you give up a future pick like that. These moves certainly raised their floor quite a bit. (The downside of the Conley deal is just greatly reduced now that they have the talent to win games without him.) I'm just not sure it gives them a championship ceiling. They still only have the one star.

[timvp]

Man I disagree. I don’t think it would be tough at all to dump them. I think worst case would be the second rounders attached; not firsts.

I think one year deals are very desirable and for sure Bertans has value. For sure. Beli is more questionable but it’s minuscule money

So imo best case is scenario one.

Med case is dumping them with nothing back

Worst is giving up a pair of 2nds

Still think this way, tbh? Teams have been having to give up firsts in order to dump Bertans/Beli level players.

[slick'81]

Still think this way, tbh? Teams have been having to give up firsts in order to dump Bertans/Beli level players.


Word is spurs are still hesitant to move bertans

[venitian navigator]

Still think this way, tbh? Teams have been having to give up firsts in order to dump Bertans/Beli level players.

Bertans has been in the top five and for a big part of the season the top 3 point shooter in the league. Belli has won the 3 point contest. In this time when 3 point shooting isn seen as the most important skill for the majority of teams, I frankly don't see them as market's negative value...and in any case we don't need to trade them. Expecially considering they have just one year left...In case they go back draining threes in the first part of next season, I see them having big value at the trade deadline...and I see teams start willing to trade with us (also as scary as it may be for them...and that's imho the main reason why most nba teams don't trade with us that much).

[ZeusWillJudge]

Still think this way, tbh? Teams have been having to give up firsts in order to dump Bertans/Beli level players.

What would you do with the roster spot if they did dump one of them? More to the point, what do you think PATFO would do with the roster spot?

At first I thought that raising the minimum salary to $98M might provide some opportunity, but it's looking less and less like that.